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itsgirlcraft · 2 months ago
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Collection batch 5/?
@justyouraverageskyperson
THEMMMMMM!!!
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Hehe this was fun :3
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Voidal Steve sketches and some lore notesss~
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Voidal's fall as I imagine it (I love the colors here sm <3)
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And then Icey Red and Kamon, along with the beast from the rp blog!!
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macksartblock · 1 year ago
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Anyway really enjoying the underworld saga
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sillylittlegaymer · 2 months ago
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I loveeee 7n7s lore sm, it makes me wanna cry
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camthecatchameleon · 3 months ago
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spreading "weird almost but not quite humanoid god designs" propoganda because i'm tired of seeing gods that just look like a human in cosplay
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i am open to suggestions actually i am hungry for them. i have visions but i am open to suggestions.
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regaliasonata · 2 months ago
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John can’t handle the power of Crop Top Bob
(Alternate version on my Blsky🦋 later today in bio)
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gingermintpepper · 6 months ago
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“Pallas Athena,” he greets softly. There is no affection in his voice, barely any intonation save for stiff, long-practiced neutrality. He continues wringing the water from his hair like she’s not intruding upon the sanctity of his purification ritual, “Have you already had your fill of victory?” 
His calmness is… off-putting. Unnatural. Like the stillness of the sky before a horrible storm. She’s grown accustomed to his icy silences, the dark looks thrown when their father isn’t watching, the barely restrained disgust when he’s forced to hear her speak of her tactics and methods for obtaining unquestioned victory. She knows Apollo isn’t weak-stomached - of all their kin, he is perhaps the most practiced in death - but he is not a warrior. He finds no glory in death-bringing, no meaning in the intricacy of war-work. For him, it is a job, a task that must be completed for the continued equilibrium of the mortal world. It means he can still be hurt by war’s savagery. And he had been hurt. Repeatedly. She had personally seen to it. No matter how good he was at his work, Phoebus Apollo was still an emotional creature. Not weak-stomached perhaps, but still soft. Tender. 
“I’ve something important to discuss.” 
He’s languid when he unpins the remaining length of his hair. It falls in heavy, swirling waves, rich gold which threatens to drag upon the ground if he hadn’t deftly grabbed the ends and tied them round his thigh. “I know you have little concept of ceremony but this is a bit ridiculous don’t you think?”
His dark hand reaches for one of the vases of oil stacked neatly on a little jut of rock that acts as a ledge. Athena intercepts him, standing a little taller to convey her graveness. “It’s very important. I only need a moment of your time.” 
She expects him to sigh, to cross his arms petulantly over his thin chest and complain that the war is over and so is her access to him every hour of every day. She expects to have to remind him that the battle isn’t finished ‘til the Acheans have vacated Trojan soil, to coax him from the little solitary cave of mourning he’s obviously built himself so he can see his job to its total completion. 
Instead, she gets another look. Calm. Dark. Horrible.
Apollo does not sigh, but it is a very near thing. “A moment and nothing more.” 
“The Acheans will begin their preparations to return soon,” she takes hold of the vase and carefully passes it to him. It smells saccharine, like rosewater or something similar. Like perfume to hide the stench of death. “I need your word that you will not hinder them on their journeys.” 
Their fingers brush as Apollo accepts her offering. It’s always odd the way his warmth radiates past all logical barriers. Athena can feel the chill of the water alongside the heat of his fingertips. Somehow, it is the cold that lingers despite all his warmth. “I do not make impossible promises, Athena. I want Neoptolemus,” he says. She stops as though struck. “The rest will have my blessing if they but ask.” 
“Phoebus— “
His eyes are like congealed blood when he looks at her, dark and tar-like upon an altar’s surface. “I want Neoptolemus. And I will have him.” 
How similar his tone has become to Father’s in these long years acting as his mouthpiece! Though his words are soft, the finality in his voice brooks no argument. How easy it is for her heart to soar at the prospect of a fight. Her warrior’s mien shutters all her feelings away like she’d never taken her helmet off. Her clawed finger pokes harshly into his chest, he’s marble hard under her touch. “You already had Achilles. You’ve no right to his son.” 
She regrets the words the moment they leave her lips. A stupid mistake; a feint when she should have dodged altogether. 
Apollo’s face goes slack and still. Serene, one would say, if they were a fool who had never before seen the shape of his wrath. He stands to his full height, broad shouldered, the flickering ends of his hair the only signifier of his displeasure, “Who said a thing about Achilles?” She huffs but does not answer, unsure of where his anger lies if not at the foot of Pelides. “Polites. Eurypylus. Priam. Helenus’ jailor. Andromache’s conqueror. If it weren’t Odysseus’ lot, Neoptolemus would have thrown Scamandrius from the tops of the balcony himself. What other reasons do I need?”
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wukyma · 6 months ago
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Now that I know that Polites loves animals... May you can draw him with my two bunnies, two dogs and six cats? 👉👈🥺
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AA couldn't fit them all in the picture but here u go! Adorable guys
(drawing animals is out of my comfort zone can you tell? Also "i know what you are" ahh dog. LOVE the energy)
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reinafish · 10 days ago
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Thinking of how Quartz despised Opal at first bc she was basically the reason Silver has a ton like. Issues. Like being FUCKING PARALYZED-
Uhh but then she learns that while Opal did cause those, she also technically SAVED him? sooo?
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alcordipper · 11 days ago
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Random but while I was listening to Epic: the Musical.
I keep thinking Reaper as Poseidon because, yeah and he will fuck someone up because they hurt his kid or smth.
(Not sure who should polyphemus though)
Idk, just wanna hear your thoughts.
(Haven't read the greek mythos in a bit, and its been a while since i touched the Epic fandom, so take this with a grain of salt.)
If we're talking about canon Reaper, i can see him being more like Zeus, since in canon Reaper kiiiiinnnnda thinks humanity is shit and feels VERY little about them. (At least at the start, he does come around to appreciate them more because of Life) [Longer rant under the cut.]
Zeus in greek mythology is kinda like that. (I mean. Have you seen the shit he pulled-), and his portrayal in Epic is similar, i think.
He guides Odysseus, tells him to kill a kid and tells him "either you kill him or i'll tell him to kill you myself." With absolutely no care whatsoever if it will affect him or not. Thunder Bringer is also the same vibe. He sings all cheerfully and all that about Odysseus having to choose if he'll die or if his crew will. He doesn't care about what others have to go through, he just does his job (much like Reaper. He doesn't care that you want to live, he has a job to do and he won't show you any mercy.)
I can see him being kinda petty like Poseidon, tho. (Actually, not petty, vengeful would be a better word.) I mean, if a guy comes to the nursery i left my kid at, BLINDS my kid and has the AUDACITY to "mock" him (<- can't remember the right word) i'd be pretty fucking PISSED too. And Reaper IS shown to be kinda protective if i remember well. So him going full on vengeance mode makes some sense in my mind.
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a-bucket-in-the-void · 6 days ago
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guys i love my friends
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katerinaaqu · 2 months ago
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Have you noticed the importance of narrators in the Odyssey?
If someone reads the Odyssey we notice there are many characters that narrate a story.
We firstly have Phemius, the self-taught singer who sings against his will for the suitors the tales of the heroes of the Trojan War especially their fate after the war
Second we have Nestor, Helen and Menelaus that focus on Odysseus in particular or the events that surrounded him
Then we have Demodocus the blind singer of the Phaeakes who sings the events of the Trojan War
Last but not least Odysseus himself who tells us his own story the infamous Odyssey
All the narrators or storytellers cause something to happen or emotions to their audience. For example Phemius causes Penelope to come down, for us to see and hear her. Helen Menelaus and Nestor introduce us to our hero. Demodocus is causing the reaction of Odysseus that reveals him to his audience and forces him to tell his story. However something differentiates Odysseus from the other narrators within the Odyssey
Odysseus tells his own story
And that shows to his narrative. Odysseus is not just aligning some facts or information he knows. He is telling his own story: traumatic events that happened to him, memories that scarred him, memories that seem pleasing to him...and that shows to "inconsistencies" to his narrative
He speaks positively or negatively in several places showing the ups and downs of his mood as he speaks
Some parts of his narrative he slides over (see for example Ismarus) as if he doesn't want to talk about it or elaborate and extends other parts (see Polyphemus)
Sometimes he speaks positively of himself or his men and at others he berates them depending on how the events of his narration go
Oftentimes he stops to breathe and the Phaeakes encourage him to go on and he does collecting his thoughts
At times he inserts some small information to the story while others he omits it
And the emotions show
He starts by speaking about his homeland. He is nostalgic, positive, dreamlike even
He becomes dryer as we get to the events of the trip
He sometimes needs to stop and collect himself
He is encouraged to speak which means he hesitates
He stops sometimes to possibly enjoy the praise he receives
He waits for people to stop talking or ask him questions and assist his narrative
Homer didn't just give us a flashback story of someone speaking in first person. HE GAVE US A LIVE NARRATION a narrator who appears to speak in real time with all the "flaws" of the conversations such as the fact not all events are given the same severity, the pauses and all.
I believe this is a massive reason why the Odyssey is being retold and loved. Because imagine how lively it was in antiquity to have your narrator pause and speak and think instead of directly singing the whole thing like someone else telling it but instead we see Odysseus live being affected by the emotions of his own narration and adding or omitting details. We can almost imagine him tearing up or being angry or sad or happy or relieved as he speaks!
HOMER YOU WERE A FUCKING GENIUS!
Thank you @annoyedbreadstick for the inspiration for this!
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Why is it always a day we’re doing something time consuming when some big thing releases and then we don’t have time to watch it right away? First with Epic The Ithaca Saga, now with Cinderella’s Castle
(And both times involved us going on a trip to the zoo? Somehow? Not even the same zoo? Two different ones? I’m not complaining because both times were fun outings but what are the odds of that)
We’ll probably watch Castle tomorrow if we can make time for it, can’t wait to see which songs I can pretend are about my original characters
I’m kidding, but we’re deep enough into the special interest that we (as in me and my co writer/our host) keep doing this accidentally and sometimes on purpose. I’m sure I will actually enjoy the musical for itself though I’ve heard good things about it and I think I legally have to support Starkid
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skylendra · 6 months ago
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One Piece Spoiler 1138
Disclamer: Most of those ideas aren't mine. I couldn't credit everyone, as I just consumed too much content/analysis to be able to trace them down. I collected some suggestions here and there and tried to assemble everything in a nice and tight way.
This is a long ass analysis/theory. Like really long. Just so you know. I tried to be exhaustive.
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For the translation, I based myself on manga plus', which I think is the closest we can have from the official one for now.
First: The Hayley.
There are three worlds.
The first one, with the "earth god" ended with the creation of red line. The fandom strongly thinks that the redline is artificial. The main hypothesis is that Zunesha pull some land together (its sin?). The main evidence is Laboon who hit its head against grand line, like it shouldn't be there (we know that the continental drift leads the same comportement from marine animals, like the fact that they don't go too far from australia). And so "They [The seas] will never meet"
The second one, with the "sea god", resulted with the creation of grand line. Same "They [the seas] will never meet "
The third one, the current one, will probably lead to the destruction of this limits. "And they [the seas] will surely meet." Resulting in all blue, Sanji's dream that he must achieve before the end of the manga. The legend of all blue came from the first world, when every sea was united.
Hypothesis
From the get-go: I don't think it is the mural is a prophecy. I have two main reason to think that:
It will go against the overall theme of one piece, with dream and freedom, if the future is already known/set in stone (here in tree's bark). Because that's mean you can't be free to change it.
Vegapunk wouldn't have said "The fate of this world will be decided by whoever finds it [the one piece]" in ch 1121. Since that would mean we already know the fate of this world. Indeed, in ch 1134, it is stated that Vegapunk (using a clone) visited Elbaf 20 years ago. He must have seen the mural.
So for me the mural is about the void century. It should be read from right to left (like a manga at the end of the day).
But, while it is not a depiction of the present, history is bound to repeat itself. Especially since now the character outgrow the idea of a person, in people's mind, and are an idea. Something that never dies.
So the third world was prophecied, because it is something that will happened. In the same way that the doom of capitalism is bound to happen. We don't know when or how, but it will happen. To be replace by something (worse, or better, we don't know).
There is also the question of timing, with Gol D. Roger. We don't know if they went to Elbaf, most probably. But the "too soon" may be because of the fact that there was no mother flame, and so no way to activate Uranus, and no way to destroy Red Line. That Shirahoshi (Poseidon) is not here yet. That there was no embodiement of hope, the sun god, Nika. Or simply that the world is not ready, which is sometimes the case for revolution, sometimes people are not ready to assert their rights.
I will try to be as clear as I can. I also want to go back to this post when One piece is finished to compare how far from the truth we were!
Then: The mural.
For me, it's neither really the second world, the void century. Because we know that the "children's drawings from an ancient past" is from the void century. That, I (and really some people, the idea is not mine) think started with the end of the first world and ended with the second world.
The right panel will be the beginning of the great war and the left one, near the end (as we know that those drawing where created during the void century, the great war had yet to end. The issue (the loss of Joy Boy) was not known at the time.)
Also. There are four gods mentioned ("sun" (twice), "earth", "forest" and "sea"). Since there is only three monsters (?), I will assume that the gods are not in the mural. And that they don't physically exist. They are more of a belief (like Nika I think).
So from right to left
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The right panel of the mural
Great Kingdom
At the bottom right, seemingly sinking, is the great kingdom. We have tall buildings and gears. The smoke could come from the factories, or show the destruction of the kingdom.
Slaves (and discussion about it)
In it, we can see two people on a boat (in pink). For me, they are the slave praying the sun god, as their home is being destroyed. Indeed, after the beginning of the war, the twenty first most likely made some people from the GK slaves. As we know the Donquixote family, prior to go to Mary Geoise, forced the dwarf of the Tontatta kingdom to some sort of slavery (depends on the traduction, ch 726). So it wasn't something unknown for them. Plus, taking the people of the loosing country and use them as slave is something unfortunately common.
The Great Kingdom could also enslave people. We idealize them I think. But maybe they subjugate the world, and the twenty countries. And that it was a rebellion from the twenty first that lead to the great war. A rebellion that was rotten quickly, explaining why Lili switched and Joy Boy fought them.
The other people (in blue) are, for me, the twenty first. With Imu at the left. We know that they were at war with the Great Kingdom (for unknown reason) and they are indeed twenty here.
I know that most people picture them as being the slave who pray the Sun god (what could be the strange stars, here in yellow). I don’t agree. I will weigh the pros and cons:
Pros: They seem to work, similar to assembly line workers in factories, a form of modern slavery. They have this halo above their head, like they are dead or some form of sacrifice and going down, or be resurrected and going up.
Cons: They are 19. Which would be a striking coincidence since there is also Imu (therefore 20). And they are not in the Great Kingdom, contrarily to the two people with their head down and their arms outstretched (which could be a prayer). Also, as I said, the 19 could just be under the yoke of the Great Kingdom without being slaves themselves. A bit like how there were slaves in the Thirteen Colonies (here the dwarf from Tontatta), and that they should send almost all the profits to the Crown, leading to the American Revolution. And the halo could show that they are (were) good.
Ancient Weapons
Uranus
And so the stars (in yellow) aren’t neither a representation of the Sun god or the devil fruits, but Uranus.
To be completely honest, I have a doubt on Uranus being either the stars or the lighting from the floating boat. But I prefer the idea of the stars being Uranus because:
Lighting is Uranus: In dark blue, we can see a boat spewing thunderbolt. The boat is most likely Pluton. The fact that two antique weapons work together is strange. And will means that Uranus wasn’t what was used to destroy Lulusia Kingdom (ch 1086 and 1116).
Stars are Uranus: We know that Pluton is under the Mont Fuji, in Wano, ch 1055. It seems reasonable that it laid here for 800 years. Indeed, the secret is passed down to generation in the Kozuki family, and we know that Wano was on the side of Joy Boy during the war (because of the poneglyph). Poseidon was also with Joy Boy, with the failed promise. It seems unreasonable for Joy Boy to lose if he had the three antique weapons. Plus, Lulusia Kingdom was probably destroyed by an ancient weapon powered by the mother flame, as I said. Currently the world government has it, and most likely has it since the great war but is inactive with nothing to power it. So, the nineteen first took the ancient energy (discovered in ch 1068, the energy that allowed Emet to move) from the Great Kingdom and used it to power Uranus and launching the ancient weapon, destroying their enemies, causing parts of the Great Kingdom to sink.
Lighting or stars: both seems to come from the sky (personification of the sky in roman mythology and with Lulusia ch 1060).
Stars are Uranus: Here its more meta and inspiration rather than textbook. We can see that the containment unit of the Mother Flame (ch 1114) bears the code A&Mu (Atom). Vegapunk was inspired by Albert Einstein. Einstein famously wrote to Roosevelt the need for the Atomic Bomb. His (and his team, including his wife) work will allow a better understanding of the relationship between mass and energy, and therefore the nuclear reaction. Oppenheimer (and others) will use this work to bring the atomic bomb in the world. Oppenheimer who was compared to Prometheus (the titan that brings fire/technology to human and was punished by Zeus, with an eagle eating his liver every day) and Icarus (the guy that escaped with his father Daedalus from the labyrinth with wings made of beeswax and flew too close to the sun). The “forbidden sun” is mentioned in the first world, as Vegapunk saying he “flew too close to the sun” (ch 1114). So Uranus is most likely a metaphor for nuclear weapons. This could be depicted as myriad of stars, twirling in the sky before falling on its target. Also, both Einstein and Vegapunk regretted enabling the atomic bomb (or at least the "ancient weapons" used for VP ch 1116, which really, could only be Uranus, even if it isn't the stars)
Devil fruits: there are a wish, here probably formulate by the slaves and brought upon by the tree (“the forest god tamed demon” here it’s only the beginning of the void century, the tree is not here yet)
Pluton
Pluton (in blue) seems to attack Imu at first. But when we look closely, it attacks the tree. We can see in the corner roots on fire. Most likely that prayers done by the slave (in the right) was answered by the “forest god” the tree. After all, the devil fruits are brought into existence by human hope and desire (ch 1069). In the same chapter, Vegapunk says that there is no Gomu Gomu no Mi, as it is not mention in the old Devil Fruit Encyclopedia. Since the world government changed its name in the newer Devil Fruit Encyclopedia, in an attempt to hide it. Vegapunk reaction make me think that new natural fruits can not be created. So that the source of the fruits, its tree, is destroyed. Another possibility would be that people only ever desire the same thing or stop desiring things altogether. Or that the people capable of awaking the desire are mostly dead.
I don’t know why Pluton seems to be the one to destroy it though. Devil fruits seems to be the incarnation of freedom, and so something that Joy Boy supposedly fought for. And Wano, ally to Joy Boy, is in possession of Pluton. So maybe it really aimed at Imu but they dodged it and it landed on the tree.
Or it could be that Pluton wasn’t always on the side of Wano. And that the first twenty won because they had two ancient weapons. Plus, Pluton seems between the two monsters fighting. Most probably because there is so much in so little space but could also mean that the ownership of this vessel was disputed.
The two monsters fighting
The serpent of hellfire and the outraged of the Earth god are only a metaphor. When Uranus destroyed part of the Great Kingdom, the land broke, causing some part to sink. Lava spurt, like serpent of fire, coming from the heart of the earth, the hell.
The one I am less certain is the monster fighting against the serpent of hell fire. It seems to spew fire. It could be “the sun spread the fires of war”. But here, it’s not the god sun, simply the sun.
The demon being the will of D.: We know that the clan of D. is considered as the “natural enemy of gods [the celestial dragon]” ch 764. It is said that the “forest god tamed demons” (most likely in reference of the devil fruits but still). In ch 764, Corazon said something about a legend for the celestial dragon kids, that if they don’t behave, they will be eaten up by a bearer of D. Much like stories where demons take misbehave children. Doflamingo first brush off the superstition, but his shock in ch 768 could mean it started to believe it. And we know that some celestial dragon doesn’t know what happened during the void century (ch 1114). Plus, the moon probably references the Dawn, D. Like in Lili’s letter (“Bear the flag of the dawn against” ch 1085). But also, as @karinzany pointed out, we referred to lord and lady as Dom and Dona, putting a D. before their name. And it is also the sound of the drums, the music heard when Joy Boy is fighting. The D. were the enemies of the first twenty, probably link to the great kingdom. They bear the will of D.. So the Demons could be an incarnation of the will of the people? The will of D.? Most people from the moon (the Shandian, the Skypiean and the Birkan) have wings, like the demon? The demon being a manifestation of the will of D. could mean that the Clan of D. has created Devil Fruits or are linked to it, it’s a bit far stretched I have to admit, but the will of D. could be the desire that led to devil fruits (I think I’m high, don’t listen to me).
The dragon being the celestial dragon: the snake of hellfire is on earth, tied to the Greak Kingdom. We don’t know why the Great war begun. It could be from the greed of the twenty first or a rebellion. But we know that there is the Great kingdom (tangled with the serpent of hellfire) vs the twenty countries (royalties that will become gods, the celestial dragon).
Zunesha and Noah
This fragmentation of the earth will allow Zunesha (in green) to assemble Red Line, on Imu’s order. Its great sin.
The Noah seems in it, with the couple of some species (except the one winged person). We know that Zunesha is able to suck up large amount of water and expel it (ch 806). We also learn that the mink tribe live on it since a thousand year (so prior to the void century) in ch 802. The Noah may have been misinterpreted by Neptune, it is to bring the merfolks to the surface but to allows life to survive the rising water, most of it cause by the void century, with a 200 meters rise (ch 1115).
Noah being inside of Zunesha could also be the great sin of Zunesha. Since it stops Joy Boy and Poseidon to raise Noah, breaking his promise. (Though, rising? Why? It seems already at the surface, so, maybe not.)
A problem with that line of thoughts is the fact that the Lunarians used to live on top of red line (ch 1023). It was the Kingdom od Gods, before Mary Geoise was erected (ch 1033). So Grand Line must already exist.
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Skip if you do not want to read about the unbelievable thoughts of a random tumblr user:
What we know of the Great Kingdom:
Joy Boy is born there, ch 1114.
It was advanced technologically far beyond the modern day, ch 1066. And powerful.
It was destroyed and erased by the world government, after its defeat against the twenty first. And its existence is a threat to the world government, ch 375. The great war was caused by a “clash of two opposing ideologies” ch 1115.
They carved a message in the poneglyphs, therefore are most likely allied to the Kozuki Family and Wano.
That’s not much.
Why did the great war happened?
Okay, so as I said, I think that the purpose of the alliance between the twenty countries was good. Even with the propensity of Oda to depict good monarchy, its unlikely that it was a bed of roses. In Dressrosa, everyone looked happy until you scratched the surface.
They must have done something, like coerce the other countries. A bit like the United Kingdom/Great Britain (I know it is not exactly the same thing, sorry for the north Irish, but the name kind of strikes me here). And so that lead to a revolution, like the thirteen colonies. At first it seems like a good idea, establishing their independence. But a bit like the US, they draw away from that purpose, installed a world government that will insure international peace and security. Sometimes it will just ignore its authority, like with Lulusia, to do what they want/seems fair. They will start wars outside of their nation, oppress people and exploit their resources.
But its not just the US, it’s also France. Mary Geoise. Oda could mashed up everything beautifully.
Anyway. Joy Boy fought, not to restore the Great Kingdom necessarily. But because the first twenty didn’t just liberate themselves, they took it too far and enslaved/massacred/… innocent people from the Great Kingdom. He fought for the liberation of the people of the Great Kingdom, a bit like Luffy who never fight for/help a country but for its people.
Who erected Red Line?
Also, we know that Lunarian lived on top of Red Line before the celestial dragon. So Red Line existed prior to the end void century. So probably at the beginning? At the end of the first world. But who assembled it? Zunesha? Imu shouldn’t be born at the beginning, since the great war lasted a century. And that the devil fruits came into existence in the second world.
So maybe its not the twenty first that erected Red Line but the Great Kingdom. Maybe using their technology to terraform the planet. Or maybe using Zunesha, forcing it to pull the land together. Zunesha would then resent them, and be part of the revolution, with the twenty first.
Something that doesn’t add up is the presence of the lunarian next to Joy Boy in the left. Maybe the great kingdom formed the Red Line, a bit like USA and their stupid wall. It wasn’t to live on it, just to separate the world. Although we don’t know much about the twenty country, we know that there is Dressrosa and Arabasta, both on either side of Red Line. So doesn’t make much sense. And that was the final straw for the allied country. They needed Red Line as a base to launch Uranus, a bit like Iraq, and started a war.
The formation of Red Line started the revolution that will lead the to the assemble of the twenty first and the creation of the world government.
Anyway. That’s it for me, we can go back to the mural.
End of the crazy interlude~~
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The left side of the mural
The tree
The right side (again, its continuous, but that is hard to display). The split is the apparition of the tree (some call it Eve) that conceive devil fruits.
Joy Boy side
So we have the crew/alliance of Joy Boy. With a lunarian, merfolks (and a whale, because of Red Line?), minks (one seems to be a sulong, but that’s weird since it’s the same species or maybe the Guardian  Deity of Wano), Emet, Ancient Giant, Giant, dwarf, Poseidon, a Sea King, and Joy Boy Crew. It’s composed of a ship from arabasta (in yellow, with the flag, led by lili), wano (in red, with samurai and ninja), Fish-Man Island (in blue, with their long band/sash around their shoulder), and three others I can’t identify.
By the way, weird there is the lunarian but not the Buccaneer or the three eyes clan, especially considering ch 1121. I mean the three eyes okay, they could have not participate and just be able to read the poneglyph. But the Buccaneer? The strong man that worship Nika? Weird.  
I don't know
There is also Uranus again, and what seems to be rain. Uranus looked like it is thrown by the monster on Joy Boy and co. But for the rain, I have no idea. They could be leaf, from the tree and so devil fruits?
Joy Boy enemies
What is really interesting is what is they are against. We see the third monster holding what could be the sun and at the bottom a ship with five humanoids on board and one that is leaving.
The monster is Imu and the sailors are the old Gorosai: the most agreed interpretation from what I see. This could be the demonic form of Imu and showing their battle against Lili. The demonic depiction could foreshadow Imu transformation or real nature. But I don’t think so.
The monster is the predecessor of Blackbeard, and its crew or the marine allied: this one is also far stretched. But. We know that Imu has a picture of Luffy (the “new” Joy Boy), Shirahoshi (Poseidon), and Black Beard chopped in ch 908. Vivi is the only one intact, despite her betrayal/”error”. Luffy makes sense. He embodies Joy Boy (seemingly the same dream, the same capacity to recruit allies to his sides, the same Devil Fruit, the same straw hat (?)). For me he is not a reincarnation of Joy Boy. He is much his own person. But he embodies Joy Boy (and Nika) for people around him. Shirahoshi too since she has the same power of the one that seems to be the ally of Joy Boy and an ancient weapon. Vivi made a “blunder” (Imu doesn’t to know about Lili betrayal, “so one must wonder whether ot was truly a mistake or if it was actually part of some larger plan” ch 1085. So maybe her betrayal is not known. But how could the children have depicted her by Joy Boy side then? They knew because they were in her real side?). But Imu still seems rather fond of her, or at least attached, with the painting ch 1084. And Vivi remind them of her. But Blackbeard? Two possibilities. His particular bloodline. Or his devil fruit, the Yami Yami no Mi. And considering Imu reaction to Saturn incompetence in ch 1125, pre-blackbeard could be one under the order/ally of Imu, but show themselves incapable of stopping Joy Boy from protecting the ancient weapons and leaving his treasor on Laugh Tale (and maybe spreading the poneglyph, following Lili's mistake but contrarely to pre blackbeard and Saturn, Imu was close to Lili). This will also explain the symmetry in ch 1121, with Blackbeard and Luffy. Because if I don’t think that the mural predicts the future, history is bound to repeat itself, especially if we don’t learn from our mistake (which is impossible here since the past was erased). Plus, Luffy and Blackbeard are their own person, but they still embody ideas (Luffy freedom and the importance of the end of a dream, Blackbeard power and the unachievable dream). Blackbeard crew could be the marine, with an alliance to stop Joy Boy (the same as to stop Rocks), or his own crew.
The monster holds the sun, that look a lot like the jolly roger of the sun pirate. That could be the “man that killed the sun and became god”. The sun isn’t literal, more like a symbolism for hope and joy. Physically, it could be the giant straw hat from ch 906. Its more like a symbol that was passed down. A bit like Nika and its cult.
Devious symbolism
There are four gods named and one man that became god. And three monsters. But five creatures colored in black. The three monsters, Imu and Joy Boy.
The sand worm stands for the earth god. The one that is angry either because mankind touched the forbidden sun (here supposedly Uranus, and destroyed lands) or because the enslaved prayed the sun god and they appeared (they wished for a better future and the earth god is angry for their greed/will to fight against fate). It also looks like Ju Peter (one of the gorosei). It could either be a devil fruit, and people dreamt to be powerful (?), or something that Imu granted him, and its inspiration came from the great war.
The Itsumade illustrating the forest god. The one that took pity on the enslaves and enable them to grow powerful enough to break their chain. The one that tame demons. The one that follow the breath (of the fight?) in the void.
The devil (the one with the wings and horns, holding the sun) symbolizing the sea god. He stormed either because someone killed the sun and became God (doesn’t make much sense, since it should be Imu, and they are fighting the enemy of Imu, or it could be the one who ate the devil fruits, which doesn’t make much sense either since in the third world “the sun returns and brings a new morning”, for me its hope), or because people dreamed (here again, same reaction than the earth god. Which could make sense. The sea is harsh and fair. It allows people to dream. It kills. It is angry against people that ate a devil fruit, human’s hope and desire).
Joy Boy embodying the Sun God. (Duh.). “The sun god dances and laughs guiding the world to its end” (and I know it’s the third world. But also, Joy Boy loosing was the end of the void century, the end of the world like they knew it. And history is still bound to repeat itself (with hopefully the victory of luffy)). The god that answers slaves’ prayers.
The man that “killed the sun and became god” is Imu. The first twenty are the one that want to become god. And Imu is standing on top of them. The sun being the joy and hope.
Also, on ch 1121, there is this amazing symetry between the four emperor.
Shanks against Baggy. Red-Blue. The apprentice of Gol D. Roger (and also Mihawk, his rival, and Crocodile, the other kid from god valley (because Crocodile is the son of Rocks and the Crocodad theory is real (probably not but its fun))).
And Luffy and Blackbeard. The dreamer duo. Black-white. Sun-darkness. They have almost the same number on their crew (Luffy 9 and BB 10 as of now). And that could also mean that those idea fought, Joy Boy against the Devil.
So for me the boss final of Luffy won't be Imu but Blackbeard. The Straw hats will probably have an impact in taking down the world government, but the heavy lifting is for the revolutionary army (Sabo my beloved, Ivankov my goddess, Koala my queen could shine. And I hope Bonney will do literally nothing, she did too much already. She is only 12. Let her rest Oda. And watch the friends of her parents destroy the one that enslaves them and killed them. And cursed her.) Much like during the Great War. The difference could be that now, they have a revolution, not just a assemble of crew, but a reflexion, a plan and an organized army to face Imu.
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I do think that all for me lmao. I’ll probably edit it to be clearer and proofread it. And I will take into consideration every suggestion before I read the next chapter (other way it defeat the whole purpose). So please, don’t hesitate to share your thoughts on it!
Also, English is not my first language, so not only I may have mixed up some translation from the Manga but just straight up annihilate the language. If I only have distain for it, I would hate for this post to not be readable/accessible for you.
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callmeindy69 · 9 months ago
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so just finished watching the vengance saga listening party, and when i say the pain is sooooooooooo real but also so much catharsis.
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i have been waiting for get in the water for so long and it certainly did not disappoint. the brutality of it all was phenomenally executed.
i'm not sorry for loving you was heartbreaking and painful in the best way.
dangerous was the perfect little diddy and i will be bopping along to it at work for sure.
and six hundred strike was the perfect catharsis for the release of all of ody's pain and trauma. good god i want to scream sing it while hitting a punching bag.
one more saga and the concept albums will be complete. part of me is sad to see it coming to a close, but watching it grow has been such a surreal experience.
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iroissleepdeprived · 1 year ago
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Excuse me.
"Odysseus didn't get to see his son's childhood, so instead he takes the childhood of another son, another child too young to understand why."
???? How can you just drop this like it's nothing ?? I hope you are aware of what this did to me. I shall be sitting in the corner and contemplating this. Screaming crying throwing up. Shedding bitter tears even
My thoughts were all over the place last night, but I'm glad I managed to make you feel things hahaha
Let's hold hands and cry together
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octever · 5 months ago
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Just got D Infinity, so, yeah, I'm feeling great.
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