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[hiwthi-sh]

Resort Style

[rainbowcarousels]

In a break from my regularly scheduled lack of programming, I wanted to talk about how Angeal's rose tinted 'memory' in Ever Crisis. As I was going through things, some thoughts occurred to me and I want to collect them.

I think Jenova has a habit of integrating memory without understanding the individual relationships that cause code shifting in conversations or even the major differences between characters. Lucrecia as she portrays her is Mother, she's not Lucrecia as a person, she's a designation and part of the grouping of this being what a mother sounds like is based on Jenova's limited experience with the subject, especially with modern humans. The memory has the same feeling as Cloud's 'memory' of Nibelheim at the beginning of Rebirth, right down to a photograph and that's because those are Zack's memories but twisted and edited just enough to pass for Cloud's.

Angeal's relationship with the townsfolk when he was supposedly quite the thieving toerag of a kid screams of fantasy of being accepted and beloved. Heroism for him is producing crops, it's making sure his parents are taking care of and feeling accepted as part of a community where he grew up in poverty. It's rose tinted because it's literally rose tinted glasses.

I would bet that was not remotely his mother's reaction to him joining SOLDIER. We're saying Gillian Hewley, the woman who wouldn't talk about her experience to the point of death, who ran off with Angeal as a baby to try and get away from all of that, who preferred to live in poverty rather than take a single gil of Shinra's money, would have a) cared about Angeal's SOLDIER uniform looking sharp, b) ordered the 'finest materials straight from Midgar' and c) when Angeal expresses worry over dirtying it, would giggle and say it was fine when should just make him another? Does that sound like the same woman or does it seem like a fantasy of what he wished would have happened?

I'm going to go further here and say that in fact, it's much more likely to be in line with Genesis's mothers reaction and I'm wondering if either a) Jenova got them mixed up because of the close quarters or b) Jenova just characterised it as Mum Behaviour and went with it, assuming it all sounded roughly the same when the difference between Angeal's mother and Genesis's (and Lucrecia for that matter) is vast in terms of personality and relationships. Either way, I think this is again one of those little edits where she's using one memory to patch another.

Having now looked at some of the better quality pictures of a younger Gillian below, I am now more convinced than ever that the other Nibelheim scientist we see with Hollander in the opening film of First Soldier is Gillian. For me, this pretty much confirms Jenova had close proximity to the mamas (and Genesis's biological mother who SE need to stop gatekeeping because saying it's a secret is making me feral) and could have patterned their behaviours between that and the pre-existing J-cells.

The next FS part cannot come soon enough, I am fascinated by this turn.

[getvalentined]

I'm thinking about First SOLDIER.

I still think I'm right about the battle royale being a Synaptic Net Dive (particularly since the event in Ever Crisis where we literally faced down the system that was used to train that first round of would-be SOLDIERs in the battle royale), but the iteration of First SOLDIER in Ever Crisis isn't. Not exactly, anyway. It seems like it's whatever the energetic equivalent of the SND would be for Sephiroth, whatever you would call the way that he (and Lucrecia) can pull memories out of people's heads and put them on display, run through them and relive the experience tangibly, beat for beat—only in Ever Crisis, it's Sephiroth doing it to himself.

Sephiroth gave up his memories in Meteorfall, using his only surviving Clone as an anchor to keep his consciousness from being burned away forever—this is why the Remnants don't actually know him, because they're made from what the Lifestream remembered of him, not from his own concept of himself. He doesn't have a concept of himself anymore, he needs someone or something else to pull him back together.

Jenova "remembers," such as she can, because they were temporarily fused into one being prior to Meteorfall. This is why Kadaj's assimilation of the last piece of Jenova at the climax of Advent Children opened the way for Sephiroth to come back up out of the Lifestream, albeit in an obviously incomplete state.

Cloud also remembers, and he's special: as the only surviving Sephiroth Clone, as the man who struck him down both in Nibelheim and in the Northern Crater, as someone who actually met him prior to everything falling apart, Cloud's memories contain both the most accessible and the most complete version of Sephiroth that can currently be found.

But it's still someone else's memory, because Sephiroth doesn't remember himself.

The Sephiroth at the Edge of Creation at the end of Remake comes from some point well beyond the end of the series, postcanon by some incomprehensible degree. And he's...different. That Sephiroth uses his old personal pronoun, that Sephiroth is almost soft with Cloud—and that's the same Sephiroth as we see at the end of the opening arc of First SOLDIER, because the corresponding cutscene appears to take place just before Cloud arrives at the end of Remake.

That Sephiroth is out there at the Edge of Creation thinking about his childhood, thinking about Rhadore, thinking about Wutai, thinking about who he is and what he's done.

And he remembers. Somehow, in spite of everything, that Sephiroth remembers. He knows what happened to him, what he went through, what he did. He knows himself. And Sephiroth is not some horrifying amalgam of a extraterrestrial pathogen and the incandescent rage of a man created only to be used, he's not an incomplete echo of a memory of a hero long dead; and the Sephiroth at the Edge of Creation knows where he came from, how he got here, and everything that happened along the way.

And he's playing it back to himself.

What's he looking for? What's he hoping to see? Why did he start there, on his first field mission, where he learned the only thing he really had to prove was that he's capable of compassion? Where he learned that it's not black and white, and that death can also be mercy?

Why did he move forward to the night that he ran himself ragged saving lives in an attempt to never have to show that kind of mercy again?

That Sephiroth remembers, and he's choosing to remember this.

And I think...that might make him a Sephiroth that can be saved.

[lucialin]

Final Fantasy VII - Ever Crisis - The First Soldier

Lucia Lin idle animations + petting the dog

[allaroundnerd]

Enough time has passed for there to be games that I used to be obsessed with dying. On the mobile front, two in particular stand out.

I never got super into FF7FS, but I loved the concept. Brave Frontier on the other hand? The hours I spent playing and researching that game probably rivaled AAA purchases. I know it's gone, but just seeing that icon reminds me of my college days where I would play it between classes and even managed to get a few of my friends in on it too. Just another memento of simpler times

[ship-garbage-pile]

decided to revamp my old FF7FS character and actually develop them.

His name is Kaleb Retain and he truly believes in the superiority to the Soldier program. It is due to that superiority that he believes that Sephiroth is hogging his limelight, which in turn makes him antagonistic and another bully in young Sephiroths life.

[raccoon-pizza]

324：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 115d-ppj8)：[sage]：2024/01/15(月) 11:12:20.59 ID:m4tl/Bqa0

大菩薩峠～丹波山におりる道、真ん中だけ崩れてるのかな？

下の道は途中からアスファルト？

yamapとかいろいろ見てるが上の道がよいのかな、引き返してる人もいてよぬわからぬ

773：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 7ff2-0XJH)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 12:21:30.63 ID:MeX4Lb/Y0

>>324ですけど、カツヒコさんに埋もれちゃったんで再度質問です。

最近大菩薩～丹波山まで歩かれた方いませんか？

真ん中ルートは崩壊確実ぽいので止めておきますが、最短の下のルートは地図上だとアスファルト歩きが��いように見える。

歩かれた方、どんな状況かご教示ください！

775：底名無し沼さん (ｵｯﾍﾟｹ Sr7b-PamO)：2024/01/26(金) 14:02:12.66 ID:2nPosQbPr

>>773

最近���知らんけど、北東に尾根伝いで行ってサカリ山を巻いてマリコ川沿いに下る道が切れてるの？

小菅に下る道は林道車道が長いな。

嫌なら石丸峠から延々と松姫とか？

778：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 5ff4-0XJH)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 16:20:42.81 ID:6D2+lwLb0

>>775

ごめんなさい、説明が悪かったです。

丹波山に降りるルートが地図上では三本あるんです。

775さんがおっしゃってる通り、サカリ山巻いてマリコ側ルートが崩落してるっぽいです。丹波山側には注意書きあり、大菩薩峠からはなしらしく。

サカリ山巻かないルートだて微妙に長いから一番下のルートかなぁと。ただアスファルト歩きが長いように見えるので迷っています。

https://i.imgur.com/qzU7BQg.jpg

779：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 87bd-PamO)：2024/01/26(金) 17:30:02.18 ID:orBbSPuI0

>>778

どこが切れたか知らないけど、そっちなら林道はそう長くないじゃない？

峠側からは警告なしなら丹波には行けるからかな。

793：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ ffa0-OxJD)：2024/01/27(土) 00:37:06.35 ID:KeX4EVgY0

>>778

無難に一番下の道を行けばなんてことはないよ。

真ん中はそもそも誰も通らないアレ気味の道だし。

上も問題なく通れるよ

780：底名無し沼さん (ｴﾑｿﾞﾈ FF7f-ulmS)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 17:46:37.81 ID:njiIqpytF

>>778

古めの山と高原地図だとサカリ山（今倉山）ってあなたの上げた地形図のさらに手前のピークだね

あと貝沢線終点～越タワ（大菩薩峠・高尾天平）はR5年10月12日現在通行止め解除だそうだよ、真ん中の尾根道の事じゃないかな

783：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 87bd-PamO)：2024/01/26(金) 19:38:35.50 ID:orBbSPuI0

>>780

高尾天平って1024のことかな？

785：底名無し沼さん (ｴﾑｿﾞﾈ FF7f-ulmS)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 20:11:29.47 ID:kZkYTOETF

>>783

いや手前（大菩薩側）の1036

787：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 5f50-PamO)：2024/01/26(金) 20:46:07.25 ID:iIjRM4X10

>>785

麓から近い手近じゃなくてそっち限定とかなの？

どういう原理かね？？？

788：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ df85-ulmS)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 21:55:43.85 ID:rsjGgN+r0

>>787

いや限定じゃなく1036ピーク→1024ピークの道が麓まで歩けるって事だよ、尾根上の道が通行可能って事

丹波山村のホームページ見てみたら良いよ

789：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ bf85-0XJH)：[sage]：2024/01/26(金) 22:13:59.98 ID:V+sOfOHT0

>>779　>>780

ありがとうございます！サカリ山関係なかったですね。

1036の尾根ルートは少し長くなるので下のルートにしてみます。

その他の皆さんもありがとうございます。来週末行ってきます。

明日は飯能アルプス

806：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 070f-NhvB)：2024/01/27(土) 20:40:15.33 ID:o3gYiNt30

>>778

昨年１２月に1036ピークのとこ通っただけだけど、せっかく山に来たんだから多少長くても山らしさがある一番上が分かりやすいし、いいと思うけどなあ

まあ、分岐直後の登りがなかなか傾斜あって歩いてきたダメージが足に来るけども

サカリ山あたりは真面目に落ち葉地獄で道も消えかけてるから、十分気をつけて

813：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 5e5d-D2S3)：[sage]：2024/01/28(日) 13:59:50.78 ID:b/CjomjH0

>>806

ありがとうございます！

確かに尾根沿いの方が歩きがいありますよね。

当日の雪の状態と疲れ具合で判断します。

807：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ bfe2-ciqJ)：2024/01/27(土) 23:43:06.60 ID:X9IVbiTj0

>>806

大菩薩から丹波山に歩くときはサカリ山は巻くだろう普通

809：底名無し沼さん (ﾜｯﾁｮｲ 714e-0OPN)：2024/01/28(日) 09:42:42.12 ID:COj1026t0

>>807

サカリ山あたりは、ね

その巻道が落ち葉と崩落で怖い感じしたからさ

[willemdafriendlyfriend]

[sasammy]

Alternate outfit hell

[sreliata]

[hiwthi-sh]

Leader, Ally, Friend

[drum-sh]

First Soldier

[getvalentined]

One thing that really gets me about Sephiroth's obsession with his mother is that it had to have been instilled in him by Gast and Hojo. Assuming he was raised by the company and in Gast's care until the guy ran off, after which he was shuffled off into Hojo's custody (all of which is either overtly canon or heavily implied enough to be considered canon), it wouldn't have been particularly difficult to pull him away from the whole concept.

Children are dangerously impressionable for the first several years of their lives, it's indescribably easy to condition them into seeing things as normal—this is why a lot of abused children don't talk about anything being wrong, because that's their normal. It would have been very little work to indicate to Sephiroth starting very young that his mother died when he was born, but it's fine because that's not uncommon and he doesn't need to worry about it.

But Gast (and Hojo) didn't do that. Gast at the very least ingrained this concept into his head that his mother was special; he'd have been the one who told Sephiroth her name, who told him anything about her, because he had him at his youngest and he was the one who was so obsessed with the Cetra. One of them even gave him a photo of her* so that he'd know what she looked like, even if the woman in that photo wasn't Jenova.

They nurtured that longing for a loving parent, something that would only have been worth the effort to instill if being used as a form of manipulation. They knew his mother, she was involved with the company, the only way he'd ever know anything would be if he stayed and listened and did as he was told. The longer he stayed, the more he'd understand, and the more likely it would be that he'd find out about her. They made sure that he knew the only way to ever get any information on the one person who might have loved him unconditionally, who wouldn't have abandoned him or abused him if she'd had a choice, was to be loyal and obedient.

They led him along with the prospect, the hope that someone out there might have loved him for himself instead of for what he could do. Someone out there might have loved him for who he was, not what he could become.

They absolutely must have done this intentionally. Gast started it, Hojo continued it, and Lucrecia never had a chance to intervene. Gast may not have had ulterior motives in the malicious sense, as he believed that Sephiroth was the son of a Cetra—but he never told Sephiroth that, did he? Because Sephiroth was shocked by the discovery in Nibelheim, he didn't know until then that he was, allegedly, the last of the Ancients. Gast never told him.

But he told him his mother's name was Jenova, he told him he was special, he was kind and supportive through Sephiroth's most formative years. We know that because of how he behaves as a young teenager, the values and patterns of behavior that were instilled in him prior to being surrendered to Hojo's abuse in the name of progress. We know that because of how he talks about Gast, and how he compares to Hojo.

Gast and Hojo gave Sephiroth the concept of "mother" as someone that was good and kind and would love him no matter what, and turned it into a leash that bound him to Shinra for life.

Absolutely evil people.

*The photo was given to Sephiroth by Hojo, as a note. Based on FSBR and DoC, Lucrecia was still with the company until around 1984, when Gast left; she was on Project 0 then, not the Jenova Project, and there didn't seem to be any overlap since Hojo also didn't appear to have access to Sephiroth until he got control of the department, but it still would have been a very risky thing for Gast to do. Hojo seemingly got custody of Sephiroth around the same time that Lucrecia ran off into the mountains, which was also around the same time that Gast went AWOL, so Hojo may very well have given the photo to Sephiroth in an attempt to ingratiate himself to the boy during the transition in custody.

It makes more sense that Hojo would have the photo than Gast, anyway—Lucrecia was and is Hojo's wife. Of course he has a photo of his wife. Of course he held onto it all this time. Of course he gave it to the only part of her he had left, the great work they created together. Sephiroth was her project too.

[silver-wield]

Here's to another year of these two being the sexiest couple in FF7 ❤️

[ebonysquib]

Look at this Cloud Nutcracker thing

[miladysailormoon2011]

THE FIRST SOLDIER (GMV)