#he is such a complex and complicated character

[akanemnon]

i've been in the undertale fandom for about. checks watch... like a majority of the time SDLKFJSF and i think the chara / flowey confrontation is probably the top best confrontation i've EVER SEEN for them <3 because chara cares about him! asriel cares about chara! and even with a totally pacifist frisk, i've only seen a pretty uncaring chara talk to flowey/asriel. but this recent confrontation feels like such a good inverse of chara's no-mercy monologue. all they wanted to do was save everyone. instead they doomed everyone. and that sucks... so lets "not kill, and not be killed". it's ALSO great because it's so important to me that, narratively, flowey/asriel completely misunderstood chara, and as flowey, he idolizes them as the only one who would understand their heartless way of being. which... is kind of messed up! to assume that your sibling would completely validate all the repeated murders for the sake of curiosity on a non-no-mercy route. and even then, chara does not make any comment about enjoying repeated genocide routes, and call it a "perverted sentimentality" to want to do multiple no-mercy routes. which... is what flowey did. multiple times. SO ALL IN ALL yeah. i really appreciate your portrayals of these characters! thank you for looking at these characters with a thoughtful, complex lens :]

I am actually very glad you guys think so. There is still a lot of debate in the fandom about Chara. Given that the game and even additional content don't talk a lot about them. They are quite elusive.

I have seen a lot of black and white characterization with them in the fandom. And I really wanted to avoid that. I didn't want to make them a murder hobo, but I also didn't want to make them an innocent angel. My goal was to make a complicated, broken child who hides behind a verbose demeanor and doesn't know how to properly engage with their emotions/with other people.

That little bit with them during Frisk's flashback sequence was so important to me. I didn't want them to be mad at Frisk for aborting the genocide run, or that they killed. I wanted Chara to be disturbed by the fact that they enabled Frisk and the Player to do it. Tying into how they become more and more distant with every EXP and LOVE gained.

What I ultimately wanted was for them to grow over the course of the story, so both they and Flowey have a resemblance of closure.

[angstyentropy]

Dick Grayson is a character most people have a hard time understanding well, I even second guess myself all the time. I think this might be because he seems to not follow any pattern and I think there's four main reasons for that!

1. Lack of Archetypes.

Most characters fit into one or more archetypes. When you see a character who talks a lot you tend to assume they get easily excited, don't have a good social awareness and are a bit too optimistic. That's because you've become familiar with that archetype and it's easier to understand these characters and how they act because you've seen very similar characters all over the place.

Dick doesn't really fit any of them. When you hear he likes to move around a lot and does flips you expect he'll have a more positive outlook on life but when you learn he doesn't that might confuse you.

None of your character blueprints work so now you have to start from scratch. I think this is partially why a lot of people tend to reduce him to a goofball or a flirt and similar such things, some people don't want to go through the work to understand a character so they make the character fit what they already understand.

2. He acts differently in different environments.

Dick changes how he acts depending on what his environment calls for, this does not mean he changes his personality or becomes a completely different character at all though.

This is most noticeable when he's a leader, he becomes more stubborn, stern and he's way more harsh on people, think of a hardass (word provided by one of my friends lol). He acts this way because his friends are relying on him, civilians are relying on him and if he messes up that could be detrimental.

The thing is he's not really a hardass, he still cares about these people, he still makes sure they're okay all the time. These things are just more obvious when he's hanging out with the Titans as friends. He's more relaxed, gives all of them his attention. Once again the seriousness doesn't go away though, it's still there even if it's less prominent.

The same thing applies when he's with the Bats, on his own or with a different group of people. When he's alone he still has to worry about civilians but he can control his own actions and he knows his own skills (even he doesn't always think they're enough) so he's able to relax a bit more, be a bit more cheerful.

His behaviour may change but he still has the same personality. I really hope you all get what I'm saying.

3. He's complex

This one should be an obvious reason but I still want to say it. Dick has a lot of different parts to his personality. He has many complicated relationships. He doesn't always show he cares like everyone else. Many of the things he is are often perceived as contradictory but aren't in actuality too.

This nor anything else I have said make him a worse character or even a better one. I like to view it as a challenge, to dissect him and learn about what makes him interesting. I don't like when people try to make him simpler or make him fit a mold. Just please don't try to ignore what makes him complex, there is absolutely nothing wrong with admitting you don't fully understand a character.

4. Inconsistent writing

Some writers ignore what was established beforehand, many writers just don't understand a character, this is just a side effect of the comic industry and it was bound to happen to a character that's been around since 1940.

Inconsistent writing means that people are likely to base their understanding of a character that isn't in character or doesn't match others understanding. I think this reason is pretty self explanatory so I'll just name an example.

Chuck Dixon, a writer who's notorious for not reading previous comics, has written Dick in a way that directly contradicts previous comics in numerous ways, such as taking away basic skills Dick was shown doing frequently in many other comics or making him a cop, something Dick had explicitly stated not wanting to be in other comics.

Overall I think all of these have contributed to a lack of understanding of Dick and thus his constant mischaracterization by both his fans and writers.

[thattimdrakeguy]

The Best Way To Write Jason Todd Teaming Up With The Bat-Family

It's no secret people in the fandom love the Bat-Family members being one happy family, and having it include everyone.

I still think it's stupid, though.

Hey, like what you like, folks. I can't stop you.

But you can't stop me from having my opinions either.

I simply do not see how making Jason another one of the crowd benefits his character in any sort of way. He was popular because he was so different was he not? But like many of the other Bat-Family characters, being different seemed illegal, so they had to take some of that away. He may still use guns, but they're rubber bullets. These days it seems like he's mostly just another of the crew. Which is...I'm going to be real as real can be...that sounds so boring.

And I can't actually recall a character arc, just sort of moments that dashed to the finish line of him teaming up, and not done in any way that used any real character work. Instead it used a fascinating technique, sometimes commonly referred to as lazy and sometimes downright lousy writing. That's sort of lame.

Why waste the potential?

But I think some people may misunderstand me when I talk about this subject sometime. They may think I'm too stuck, can't accept anything different. Can't accept change.

As far as I'm concerned I just don't accept bad changes, or unearned changes, or changes that I feel are a detriment to the appeal of the character.

I just don't want anything that takes away from anything that made something so good to begin with.

All those potential stories we could've had, ran away because someone was lazy and in a rush for instant gratification. Hard to be a fan of that personally.

However, I don't think Jason Todd should NEVER be able to team up with the Bat-Family. That's also limiting, and is a bit too simple.

Didn't even remember this scene in Under the Hood in the slightest, but as I continued to read, I realized that somehow, this story from 20 years ago, and this issue I don't even have a vague memory of that much, already showed how I feel it should be done.

So that's convenient I happened to be reading it today.

And it's really good story telling and character work too. That stuff is like my crack. Instead of how it would later be done, which is total ass-crack.

It represents the complicated history and dynamic between Jason Todd and Batman. They're against each other. Jason's an antagonist, not a villain, but an antagonist. Please research the difference if you don't already know it, there is a difference there. An antagonist can simply be people with different goals in conflict with the protagonist. They don't have to necessarily be bad guys or villains or evil.

Batman and the Red Hood though...they're not exactly enemies are they?

That's his son. Can't change that. I imagine somewhere in ol' stately Wayne Manor, the adoption papers are still there to prove it.

The feelings are complicated and complex, heavy and deep. It gives you so much more to work with, so much more opportunity for good stories and character moments.

Showing that, in spite of it all, there's still a level of trust in one another they can't deny because of their conflicts.

Can't get that with Joker.

Couldn't even get THIS much out of it with Huntress.

That uniqueness I care about so much with these characters is here and present. They are THEM! Not a cheap copy. Not a badly written duplicate. They're THEM, and no body else. You can only get this WITH THESE CHARACTERS.

Gives ya a reason to check out this issue in particular because of how well their complex relationship is represented! Instead of it being another generic team-up, with no creativity to be seen like later on many times.

This all sort of goes back to a post I made about excellent character writing represented in the Adam Beechen run of Robin. Where Tim and Boomerang where working together and didn't like each other.

I know most people won't go back to find that post. I wouldn't expect you too.

So I'll summarize the basic ideas as: Ya gotta earn your moments, never lie to yourself about how these characters would ever act, and always maximize potential as much as possible, never lose a drop of it.

And that's all represented exactly here too. Just with different characters, reacting the way they would, doing the things they would. It's very different from the Tim and Boomerang issue since these are very different characters, but the same basic principals within the writing remain, because that's what good stories are made of no matter what.

They are not cheaping out on us. Giving us the easy change up, where oh, sweet dear Jason learns his lessons.

Fuck no.

And ruin the ongoing story like that, when you can do so much better?

Puh-lease.

It's all about the character work, baby. Every moment, every drink, every drop, never turns to slop. It is phenomenal, it is wonderful, it feels like it is the way it's meant to be.

Oh, the things we could've had.

Good character development doesn't come at the expense of contradicting what we know, or losing out on potential.

As I've said before.

Good character development ADDS, it doesn't take away.

It's an important thing, often forgotten, like so many others things as the years pass.

[canonizzyhours]

Re: 535

Part of the reason that the Revenge is a different and weird pirate ship is that hitherto, it seems to be kind of the expected norm that a pirate ship is something of a toxic workplace. But even if that weren't the case, it's easy to make the armchair argument that a character WOULD do something (eg. throw Izzy overboard) because it's something they SHOULD do, but most of the time, especially in complex social dynamics, it's more complicated than that. See also the number of people who stay in workplaces irl with toxic management or shitty coworkers, or stay friends with shitty people or in unhealthy relationships. "If Izzy was that bad they'd just have gotten rid of him" doesn't really work when a) we've been led to believe that folks kind of expect pirate ships to be not a supportive workplace; and b) a large part of Izzy's MO is manipulating the people around him to maintain a status quo that suits him specifically. And if a manipulation is successful, you probably don't realise you're being manipulated. That's why it finally falls apart and Izzy's nearly thrown overboard when Izzy's in charge of the ship - because he's a shitty captain, but he was kinda good at whispering the right manipulations in people's ears, at least until Stede and his crew came along and fucked his shit up.

#546.

related posts: #535

[cherrylight]

have i mentioned how much i love five because i do. a lot. he means so much to me. i need to walk around in a circle and scream

[apatheticsunday]

Cartoons and Cereal

AKA "Dick Grayson adopts recently de-aged Danny Nightingale. He doesn't anticipate Danny being a little... not entirely human." Prompt idea! Might be a multi-part series. :)

Dick never thought he'd be a parent at the age of 22 but the moment he saw Danny's feral little snarling face at the Bludhaven precinct, it's like he turned into Bruce Wayne. In more ways than one. Dick vividly remembers giving Bruce a heart attack by jumping from the manor's upper balcony onto the chandelier, how he cackled in glee at Bruce wide-eyed expression of terror. Watching Danny float off the couch and then drop in mid-air probably has Dick making the same expression as Bruce in that moment.

The frying pan clatters to the stovetop, pancakes flopping out, as Dick swings over the kitchen island and flings himself over the sofa - just in time to catch Danny before he brains himself on the coffee table. Dick doesn't catch himself before he releases a loud, terrified and relieved, "Fuck!" Danny immediately gasps and loudly proclaims sw'ar jar, sw'ar jar!

"I know, bud. I-," Dick squeezes Danny to his chest. His heart is still beating unbelievably fast and his palms are sweating. "Just give me a minute, okay, buddy?" This has to be some kind of revenge for all the stuff he put Bruce through as a kid. Danny squirms as Dick thinks about the next steps: obviously, he has to test for the meta gene, register with the state, and maybe get in touch with Clark about teaching Danny how to control his flying ability. But Clark will tell Bruce and Dick hasn't even told Bruce-

Danny bites him. Dick yelps, dropping the kid onto his sofa again, and thinks this is definitely payback as Danny cackles. Danny reaches his arms up and grins with a menacing little twinkle in his eye that definitely means pick me up so I can bite you again. Dick resists despite how cute (and terrifying) his kid looks. Then, he smells something burning. Specifically, their pancakes, which are now scattered on the floor and on the burning stove coils.

"Ah, shoot. I'm sorry, bud." They both stare at the burnt pancake before Danny starts poking the floor pancakes. Well. There goes the last of the instant pancake batter. After stopping Danny from eating the floor pancake (multiple times, eventually stacking a couple of his gym weights on top of the trash to Danny won't go digging in it), Dick proposes breakfast at the little brunch place downtown. Danny only grunts in answer because he's too busy struggling to lift the lid of the trashcan.

Haven Coffee it is.

He probably should've expected somebody to take their picture, but seeing the image of Dick and Danny plastered on the Gotham Herald's website makes his blood run cold. It's almost like a horror movie. Reading the news article (Golden Boy Richie Grayson following in his father's footsteps with adopted son Daniel Grayson... recently orphaned son of renowned scientists... suggesting a custody battle between absentee godfather and Gotham's Golden Boy...), Dick feels sick. He's never been violated like this in Bludhaven. In Gotham, as Bruce Wayne's son? Sure. In Bludhaven, as Dick Grayson? Never.

The picture is just as damning (and beautiful. Dick would frame it, keep it in his wallet and tucked into the mirror of his car, if it weren't such a violation of his and Danny's privacy). Dick and Danny look like they've lived together for years. Danny, chocolate smear on his cheek and looking up at Dick with sparkling sugar-crazed eyes. And Dick, propping the kid on his hip while they walk to the car, looking down and thumbing at the smear with such adoration that it's clear to anybody looking Dick loves his son dearly.

(Maybe Dick will frame it. He's still going to sue the shit out of Gotham Herald, but Danny's tiny face looks the happiest he's ever been. Double chocolate chip pancakes tend to do that.)

He's almost, almost surprised when his phone starts ringing as soon as he finishes the news article. Afterall, Dick is hardly the only one who reads the news and he knows half his siblings have alerts set for anytime their names pop up in civilian or vigilante identities. Tim's caller ID pops up, quickly followed by several texts from Barbara, Steph, and Duke. He knows Jason and Damian will probably take some time before reaching out. Dick feels a small twinge of guilt for not telling them, but they have a... complicated relationship. Dick has always been more of a parentified figure, solidified more so when Dick stepped in as Batman for a time, than a sibling.

Danny huffs out a heavy sigh on the couch next to him. He's still asleep from his sugar crash earlier, cuddling with his elephant Zitka and dog Haley, as Scooby Doo plays softly on the TV. Dick gently combs Danny's hair back from his face - grimacing slightly at sticky chocolate stuck to a couple strands, how did he manage that?? - when his phone dings for the last time.

This was the text Dick was waiting for.

Dinner tonight at 7pm. Bring Daniel.

Dick glances back to the grumbling lump beside him, smiling slightly as he tickles one small socked foot sticking out from the blanket. He gets a little bunny kick and a louder grumble for the trouble. Another ping and Dick's lips twitch at the hastily added Please. It looks like Alfred beat some common sense into Bruce after all.

He types back K and tosses his phone onto the coffee table. Pats the lump. "Danny, are you up for meeting grandpa?"

It's time to face the music.

(Danny sleeps for another thirty minutes before Dick can't resist bugging him, enduring bunny kicks and tired grumbles. It takes bribing Danny with Alfred's cookies and pizza for dinner to get him out of the blanket nest. Dick hastily calls Alfred to please, please, please make cheese pizza for dinner. Yes, Alfred, really, just cheese. Oh, god, thank you. See you later tonight. They have just enough time to wrestle an owl-eyed Danny into the bath and some non-chocolate-smeared clothing before dinner.)

[potatobugz]

Morro and Cole... ghost guys

that's true! my favorite mentally ill dead teenagers

[mxtxfanatic]

I feel like I'm being gaslit rn. I don't know what to think anymore. I just saw a post about how Jiang Cheng is allowed to feel complicated feelings towards Lan Sizhui and Wen Ning because they are Wens, and according to OP, the Wens destroyed Jiang Cheng's home and killed his parents. Therefore, he is allowed to have the right to have them stay the hell out of Lotus Pier.

Then OP even said, "We dont enough fics where we can acknowledge that the wen remnants were victims but also that it was the wen who sparked the whole thing in the first place. Not enough allowance for the complicated nature of loss and pain caused not only by an enemy but a loved one."

Unfortunately OP had to drag Jin Ling in, and said "Being an mdzs fan who loves the jiangs most of all is so hard because where is the fic where jin ling gets to be righteously angry about growing up an orphan because of what wei wuxian and wen ning did, because even though there were complicating situations involved, that was still his father who got his chest caved in and his mother dead in a battle directly resulting from that killing?"

Like I understand that Jiang Cheng and Jin Ling were hurt, and their pain and reaction thereof is understandable, but that doesn't mean what they did was right??

Idk if it's just me, but when people speak of the Wens like this, they tend to dehumanise the Wen remnants and then go defend those who were responsible for their horrific deaths. Worst part is, that entire post got so popular too. How did we read the same novel??

Yeah, it’s all gaslighting, because none of these people would argue that Lan Sizhui or Wen Ning had equal right to hate and want to kill Jiang Cheng and Jin Ling. Wen Ning should suffer and die to atone for the sins of people he’s only incidentally related to but that fact that he personally rescued Jiang Cheng and his parents’ bodies to be given a proper burial—things Jiang Cheng knows about—isn’t enough to save Wen Ning’s family from “deserving” death nor is it something Jiang Cheng has to acknowledge because it’s “telling him his anger is unjustified” (newflash: it fucking is). Jin Ling can hate Wei Wuxian no problem, but if you told these people that he’d be just as justified hating Jin Guangyao and Jiang Cheng (something be actually contemplates canonically at the end), then they’d start spewing nonsense about “best jiujiu ever!” and “jin ling loves his guardians so much tho!” Almost as if the only reason why he hates Wei Wuxian and Wen Ning is because the people actually responsible for orphaning him are the people who raised him and lied to him about the circumstances behind his parents’ deaths.

They don’t want Jiang Cheng (a grown 30+ year-old man who’s been throwing a 20+ year old tantrum about never being “as good” as the orphan his mom erroneously hated) to have “righteous anger.” They want Jiang Cheng to be able to make his anger everyone else’s problem without consequences, not from the story and not from the fandom. They want him to be able to kill random strangers indiscriminately because “he has trauma!” They want him to abandon his allies who are the reason he’s alive because “his allies’ relatives gave him trauma!” They want him to betray his only friend because “that friend prioritized repaying Jiang Cheng’s debts above coddling his trauma.” What they want is a violent revenge fantasy starring Jiang Cheng, where he singehandedly wipes out the clan down to the last infant that killed his family, and everyone loves him so much for it that they make him Chief Cultivator over it.

Also, Jiang Cheng doesn’t hate Lan Sizhui because he knows or suspects him to be a Wen (because that would involve deduction skills Jiang Cheng clearly doesn’t have, or else the gc transfer would not have been a shock to him). He hates Lan Sizhui because he hates the Lan, a clan who’ve done shit all to him. Lan Sizhui wasn’t barred from entering Lotus Pier either; he chose to accompany Wen Ning so that he wasn’t alone. Stans love to rewrite the story.

[shrinkthisviolet]

Helena kissing and sleeping with Innie!Mark in 2x04 is in fact sexual assault and not sweet or romantic or whatever, by the way. Yes, Innie!Mark is in love with Helly, and I do ship them! But that is not Helly, that is Helena. She is sleeping with Innie!Mark under false pretenses. That's literally the definition of rape by deception (“the perpetrator deceives the victim into participating in a sexual act to which they would otherwise not have consented, had they not been deceived.” Mark would not have slept with Helena if he knew who she was).

Even if Mark does catch feelings for Helena later in s2, he did not feel that way about her in 2x04—he felt that way about Helly, and Helena knew that and took advantage of it.

And sure, yes, to a degree, Helly and Helena are the same person. But like...they're also not. They are, and they are not—that is the point the show repeatedly makes. Ex: Helly's rebellious nature is an inversion of Helena's entitlement, and a stronger manifestation of Helena's own rebellious nature (unconfirmed that she has one, but likely). But also, Helena lives for Lumon, while Helly wants to burn it to the ground. The same, but different. The same person, but also not. There is a reason reintegration is such a painful process mentally.

Different enough, certainly, that Innie!Mark sleeping with one is not the same as him sleeping with the other...especially when he doesn't even know that this is Helena and not Helly. If Mark decides that it is the same to him, then fine, but he hasn’t decided that. As things stand, he slept with Helena believing she was Helly, and that is not romantic.

[rinbylin]

雁回时 The Glory ep. 18 // 30

[im-still-watching-anime]

i like how sanji is like “yeah i’m a top class chef and have full confidence in that fact it’s just a shame that actually means nothing and i have absolutely zero worth or value to add to the world”

[messiahzzz]

When I came across that "joke" from Tav to Quill and Z'rell's comment (plus Halsin), I had to take a minute to process what happened. Gale might be a bit silly and eccentric but he's the kindest, sweetest and most passionate character in that party. No wonder the poor man has deep insecurities to solve, so many people reduce him to an easy target! Ofc one of the side effects would be overconfidence and ambition as a defense mechanism. He's obv lonely; only Tara and Morena ever loved him for him.

his eccentric nature might be a part of it. he is loquacious, outgoing, and doesn’t see the point in hiding his enthusiasm. he is considered to be the weird one. naturally, wizards in general being seen as somewhat squishy and physically weak might also add to it.

personally, i really don’t like the implications of the (widely considered) autistic-coded character being the one who faces the most ridicule by far by other characters and fans (and larian) alike.

some might disagree with me on that, but i don’t find it funny by any means either. mostly it just makes me feel bad. “he deserves it. cocky, arrogant, hubris-ridden wizard needs to be taken down a peg” like he isn’t… y’know… already at his lowest. it also disregards the fact that much of his bravado is part of his carefully curated Great Wizard of Waterdeep™ persona that he has skillfully adopted to mask his general feeling of being defective. being fiercely proud of your skill and knowledge and being doubtful of having something truly worthwhile to offer are mindsets that can coexist. according to fandom, gale is either secret hubris incarnate that is only waiting to be unleashed upon the world or pure baby that can do no wrong. instead of a character that is just as flawed and traumatized as all the others, but no less deserving of genuine love.

to me, the constant ridicule just reads as further feeding into his deep-rooted insecurities and his belief that he (as gale, the person) isn’t someone who holds inherent worth. it really, really doesn’t sit well with me.

[movedtonewblogcheckpinnedpost]

Full offense, but I think it's funny how some fans immediately accept book changes like Armand's parents selling him as a slave (when on the books he was kidnapped and his family became a wreck after it) or him 'pretending to be a Muslim' (which they left unresolved, but nobody confirmed it to be an act either? we must wait for answers?), but the moment it is something making him worth of empathy, like being a sexual slave, or making a white character that isn't even on the show yet look bad, suddenly people care about book canon? And even justify their arguments with things that go against the books, like, "Armand is lying about his sexual trauma to manipulate people" when on the books it is canon that he was kidnapped, trafficked, abused and objectified several times? And I don't want to get into the whole thing Marius (my feelings about them aren't a secret), but I think everyone can admit that wasn't the best, healthiest, most respectful, romantic and balanced relationship (even by TVC standards) at all? Everything appears to be pretty in line with the source material, though there are some adjustments, the main essence is still there.

It seems to me that the problem isn't book changes, but Armand not being an one-dimensional villain caricature (and he isn't that in TVC either, so I don't understand the surprise) and having crumbs of positivity in his life.

[charleemoon]

don't talk to me if you majorly dislike any of the bau for seeing will as nothing more than a case consult. will intentionally and purposefully makes himself unavailable to others to the point that their only way of connecting with him half the time is over a case. i guarantee you they have tried time and time again to invite him to things, start conversation, and he hits them with "we're at work." katz, zeller, and price foster a very lighthearted, inviting workspace that you see him both emotionally and literally PHYSICALLY distance himself from. i'm sure there's plenty of things they could've done, more of something. people see what they want to in will, pieces of him. a tool, an advisor, something to pity, something to understand. a dog who is trained to hunt, yet fitted with a muzzle. but will is what stands in his own way of human connection, every time. too afraid of what rests beneath his surface

[galactic-rhea]

Thoughts on Padmé x Anakin x Rex?

Padmé and Anakin are so mutually obssesed they would first have to check into that before trying to bring another person to their carefully-balanced-kind-of-damage or something it's going to explode.

Honestly it's a fun ship! But I don't have too many thoughts about them because when I consider them is usually in very low-stakes-fun-AU-scenarios.

And I'm actually a bit of a fan of Rexwalker myself! Athough I tend to like them more as very good buddies, the covering-for-you-dynamic it's so funny for them, lol It's also angsty and complicated because, y'know, the power-imbalance and unchecked trauma? Is funny that the clone that's actually a slave for the republic is the most normal if you bring him into the anidala romance circus.

Also shout out to @phoenixyfriend , she has a lot of rexanidala fics and recs for anyone interested reading this!

[flightlessfinch]

it’s so tragic that most of the fandom takes about james potter that i actually agree with come from the people who hate him. like you see him so clearly for who he truly is. and you hate his guts ;-;