#it goes revenge of the sith > attack of the clones > the phantom menace

[karlmarxmaybe]

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[i-dont-know-how-this-site-works]

All Star Wars references in "The Enigma of the High Visionary" explained:

Since some people asked for it/were posting that they didn't get the references, here it is explained by a SW fan: 1. "Your child, his vision count is off the charts. I've never sensed a power like it." So, in the SW universe, there is this mysthical entity called The Force, that allows you to do some cool ass shit and some people cannot commune with The Force at all, some are Force Sensitive and possess the ability to tune into it and use it and some individuals are very Force Sensitive and very strong in the Force. In Episode I, The Phantom Menace, two Jedi knights discover a slave boy on the remote planet of Tatooine and they test his abilites/blood for this thing called a "midichlorian count" (which existance was highly devisive in the fandom), which is basically like a benchmark score for how sensitive you are to the Force. This boy, called Anakin Skywalker, had an insane midichlorian count and was basically the strongest known Force user in the galaxy. Also, there is this line of dialogue in TPM:

2. "How many vision-chlorians did you measure?" A pun on the midichlorian-measuring thing.

3. "It was higher than the Grand Visionary's." In the movies the two Jedis from the gif above comment on how this child's midichlorian count is higher that the count of Yoda, who was one of the most powerful Force Users at the time and the spiritual leader of the Jedi Order.

4. "He must join us. He will join us." So, in Episode V, Empire Strikes Back, we learn that Darth Vader is the biological father of Luke Skywalker (sorry for the 45 year old spoilers!) and he tries to convince his son to join the Dark Side (i.e., the bad guys) and be Evil Together. He goes to great lenghts to convince his son to join him, as Darth Vader's boss would most likely kill Luke if he didn't prove himself as useful to him/Vader.

5. "I am a high-functioning dad" Not really a SW reference, but Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was an absolutely shitty father. 5. "- At the council? - The Council have been blinded for too long. They don't recognise me. The granted me the... the rank of Vision Knight, but they don't let me sit upon the Council!" In Episode III, Revenge of the Sith, Anakin Skywalker gets a seat on the Jedi Council (the highest governing body of the Jedi Order), but is denied a promotion to the rank of Jedi Master. This makes him blow up and leads to this scene that has been so memed to death I can quote that shit in my sleep:

6. "Not just the men, but the women, and the children too." A direct quote copied from Episode II, Attack of the Clones, when Anakin murdered a bunch of people and told his crush about it.

7. "I thought we could watch your favourite film, The Phantom Menace." A lot of people thought this movie was absolute garbage (Sam included).

8. "I would love to watch The Phantom Menace, the best Star Wars movie." Sam hates it. 9. "happy-J" AJ loves it. 10. "I like how that alien sounds offensively Japanese.", "That looks a bit anti-semitic.", "Sure, that will age well." Some of the aliens in the prequels seem like thinly veiled stereotypes of some racial/ethnic groups, sometimes bordering on offensive. 11. Sam screaming "whooo waaaa bumballa" or something is him humming this song (which is a banger, just listen to this shit)

12. If you have watched the above clip to the very end, you will notice one of the Jedis got killed. This is what Sam references when he says "Liam Neeson just died."' 13. When Sam does the motorbike hands and engine noises, it's a reference to pod racing, which is basically the equivalent of motorbike racing.

14. "Meesa called Jar Jar Binks. Meesa Gungan." "That seems racist." In Episodes I and II there is this character called Jar Jar Binks, who is widely accepted to be the worst character in the history of cinema. He is also somewhat a Jamaican stereotype. 15. "I feel a presence." Force users can sense other Force users when they appear in a non-defined radius away from the user. The more familiar/stronger the Force user, the easier it is to pick up on their presence. 16. When Thomas Senior shows Thomas Junior to the High Visionary, it looks like the scene from Episode VII, The Return of the Jedi, when Darth Vader presents his son, Luke Skywalker, to his boss, Emperor Palpatine. Luke refuses to work with the Emperor, to the Emperor tries to kill him. Darth Vader then has a change of heart and saves his son by killing the Emperor. If I missed any, do let me know! (at the request of @shootfromthehipobsessed)

[tossawary]

Watching the prequel trilogy all at once makes the differences in Obi-Wan's character from movie to movie even more apparent. Obi-Wan is barely in "The Phantom Menace" as more than "that guy who follows Qui-Gon around" until he kills Darth Maul. He gets surprisingly little character focus, interiority, development, etc., considering his major roles in the following two movies.

And then in "Attack of the Clones", Obi-Wan and Anakin spend most of the movie apart (again). His banter with Anakin is fun and I think not without affection, but can also be read as distracted and dismissive. Anakin says Obi-Wan is like a father to him and Obi-Wan goes to order a drink on the job, the timing of which I found funny as hell. Anakin's first real private conversation with Padmé has him unloading his frustrations with Obi-Wan (on this acquaintance he hasn't seen or spoken to in ten years, who is going through her own shit right now), telling the audience that Anakin personally finds Obi-Wan too distant and critical. So, like, Anakin's own flaws aside, it does look like maybe Obi-Wan was not in a good place to raise a child. (It doesn't help that Obi-Wan's reaction to the clone army in this movie is not more horrified for the poor (at the very least) indoctrinated-since-birth clone soldiers here. Like, uh, he (and the other Jedi) seems weirdly chill with that part in "Attack of the Clones".)

And then we reached "Revenge of the Sith" and, hm, I don't recall the exact context. After rescuing Palpatine from Grievous and killing Dooku, it looks like the war is going to end soon, and Obi-Wan takes the time to smilingly tell Anakin how proud he is, very warm and affectionate. And I had a "Oh, wow, who is this guy? Where did this come from?" moment, because this is NOT really the Obi-Wan we've seen in the past two movies. It's like Obi-Wan Kenobi abruptly came out of the Clone Wars with renewed emotional balance and a personal resolution to more freely express his positive feelings - a writing choice that makes the break-up, you know, actually hit harder when Anakin starts murdering everyone and tries to kill Obi-Wan.

Anakin's shit choices in these movies are still very much on Anakin, of course! But it is amusing to hold "You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you!" up directly against "Obi-Wan Kenobi as Background Character #1" and "exhausted and judgmental older brother, who wasn't ready to become the man of the house, has to go on a work trip again and he'll keep avoiding talking about your feelings when he gets back". It's an incredibly uneven and therefore unintentionally amusing to me depiction / execution of a main character.

[i-really-love-cookies]

i love palpatine’s manipulation. not in the way that he hurt anakin and padme when all anakin wanted was to save his wife and child(ren) but in the way that it’s so good.

we already know that palpatine is the sith lord from return of the jedi, but the prequels show how really horrible he was. in the original trilogy we just saw him as this mysterious guy who was leading stuff behind the scenes, but most of our focus was on vader. in the prequels he becomes much more terrifying. he turns from a mysterious man to a cruel, manipulative being.

at the end of the phantom menace, when palpatine has been elected chancellor and comes to naboo, when he sees anakin he praises him for what he did and says “we will watch your career with great interest.” he is already implanting himself as an important figure with anakin. he’s known this kid for about two minutes, but he also knows about anakin. if the theory that palpatine is anakin’s father is correct, he would know that anakin was a slave. he would know about his mother, his friends, his situation. at the lack of a parental figure, palpatine became a father figure for anakin so that obi wan couldn’t.

throughout the ten year time skip between the phantom menace and attack of the clones, palpatine obviously becomes closer and closer to anakin. he becomes like a father figure to him. anakin even says that. i can’t remember when exactly but he does. the revenge of the sith book states that anakin and obi wan are like brothers, because as stated earlier, palpatine became a father figure before obi wan could.

when anakin goes to palpatine to convince him to talk to padme, he says “you are the most gifted jedi i have ever met.” and “i see you becoming the greatest of all the jedi, anakin. even more powerful than master yoda.” he is praising anakin on his skill, which we know is what he craves when he didn’t allow himself to smile at the start of episode iii until obi wan says “another happy landing.” however by saying that anakin could be greater than master yoda, he’s putting an idea in his mind that he is better than yoda. what if he is better than yoda? after the death of shmi he definitely wants to be. if he can be greater, more powerful than yoda, then he can save ahsoka. he can save padme. anakin’s obsession with power and controlling things after being controlled his whole childhood is part of the reason that palpatine was able to turn him.

i don’t believe that palpatine had anything to do with ahsoka’s trial, but if she hadn’t left the order then i believe he probably would’ve gotten dooku to get rid of her so that it would be easier to get anakin to kill him, and then manipulate the emotions he feels after it. when anakin says “i shouldn’t have done that” palpatine immediately gets in and explains it away. to get him to think of killing an unarmed man as easy as cake would turn him into the ruthless killing machine that vader is.

and then he turns obi wan against him. it’s just so good, how he gets to anakin when obi wan is away, he’s having bad dreams of his wife dying, he doesn’t know if rex and ahsoka are alright and the council is being… well the council. he tells him about darth plagueis, makes him think that he just needs to tap into the dark side for a bit to save padme, and then reveals himself to anakin knowing that he won’t say shit. if he does, his wife could die. anakin needs palpatine to tell him how to save padme. when anakin does actually turn he says that he’s only doing this to save padme’s life. that’s it.

like, palpatine’s an absolute arsehole, and i hate him with every bone in my body, but the way he manipulates anakin and everyone around him is just MMM

[opalharkness]

The Prequel Trilogy

I know I'm a RWBY page, but can I talk about Star Wars for a moment. I feel like so many Star Wars fans are so blinded by their nostalgia they refuse to critically engage with it as a piece of art. Like man how did y'all misunderstand the prequel trilogy?

Okay so as y'all know I'm watching this video by a channel called We Are Not Alive.

However, in the last post I complained about the subject of the video Just A Robot but I'm complaining about We Are Not Alive themselves. (BTW it seems to be a group channel, and I don't know the name of the person doing this video specifically)

This person complained about Just A Robot using Darth Vader as an example of a good villain while making an off handed remark on the Cruella De Vil movie and shitting on the Maleficent movie. We Are Not Alive then goes on to call the Prequel Trilogy the worst movies ever made and mischaracterize Anakin Skywalker's entire arc. Like he complained about Just A Robot doing with the female villains within his video.

Like this is what they say about Anakin Skywalker within those movies "Anakin Skywalker acts like an insufferable little shit for five agonizing hours before flipping and committing some religious genocide with a little bit of light child murder on the side all because some Tusken Raiders killed his mom and he was scared about his wife dying all of which is forgiven because he doesn't want his crusty old boss to tase his son to death if we're talking about origin stories that strip the magic away from a once intimidating villain the Star Wars prequel trilogy is the gold fucking standard"

Which is crazy. How the fuck do you miss the point of Star Wars! The point of Anakin acting like a brat in Attack of The Clone was to show that while yes. Anakin is a kind, talented, young man he is also incredibly arrogant.

He complains over and over again about Obi-Wan but shows little to no self-awareness about his own flaws or take the time to understand where Obi-Wan is coming from. He is a bratty child being manipulated by Palpatine and is reckless and impulsive and has an authoritative mindset that does not go well with Jedi principles.

This line from We Are Not Alive's weird ass rant in particular grinds my gears "before flipping and committing some religious genocide with a little bit of light child murder on the side all because some Tusken Raiders killed his mom and he was scared about his wife dying" Because

Anakin Skywalker is a person who is deeply afraid of losing those he loves. That was set up in Phantom Menace reestablished in Attack of The Clones which then paid off in Revenge of The Sith. Like he is a person who is so afraid of losing those he cares for he would do the unspeakable in their name. Like murder or genocide. How did that go over their head? What the fuck?

This line is where I get my opening sentiment from "if we're talking about origin stories that strip the magic away from a once intimidating villain the Star Wars prequel trilogy is the gold fucking standard."

Because Darth Vader is only intimidating in the first two movies by the last one Return of The Jedi his mask is both literally and metaphorically removed. He is no longer that intimidating villain we once knew but a sad old man who deeply regrets all he has done but feels it is too late to turn back. He saves his son and is therefore redeemed in the eyes of Luke and the Force.

The only way someone could still see Darth Vader as an intimidating villain who we are meant to fear and not a tragic figure to mourn by the end of that movie is if they watched it with their eyes closed. Or if they watched it as a kid and never unpacked what it was trying to say. The prequels didn't strip the magic of intimidating Darth Vader away Return of The Jedi did.

Anyway, thank for tuning in to my TedTalk! I will never let slander against Anakin Skywalker prevail! he is one of the best characters in fiction and I will not be told otherwise! Have a wonderful day!

[david-talks-sw]

I was 17 when The Phantom Menace came out and was miffed by the Jedi’s reaction to Anakin because he missed his mother and was rightfully concerned her about her. In Attack of the Clones he’s a young adult who is having nightmares about her and as we follow along we learn that she met and a man and was freed. So why in the years she was free have the two not talked? She knew where he was. Then she dies and lastly we have Revenge of the Sith where he’s worried about his wife and child dying.

Now I did not then or now take Anakin as being greedy for wanting his loved ones to be safe. The Jedi come off as a closed off body considering they start training children at such a young age that they don’t know their families and they forbid contact or their members from loving someone. Attack of the Clones is a forbidden love story.

So for me the story is a family getting caught up in a religious war and it having dire consequences for them. Anakin was saved when Luke went against his teachers and tried to save his father proving beyond any doubt the Jedi were wrong.

Yoda even thinks the Jedi need to change at the end of the Revenge of the Sith novel.

(You're covering a lot of subjects, I won't go into detail on any of them because I already commented on them, I'll just link my other posts, you can click to see what backs up my argument or just take my word for it.)

I think you're free to have your own headcanon and/or interpretation of the films.

Fact remains though: you were 17 and the Prequels were made for 8 to 12-year olds.

Maybe it's because I saw it in Italian, maybe it's because I was like 5 or 6, but my takeaway of the Yoda telling Anakin that "fear is a path to the Dark Side"... was just that. That fear is a path to the Dark Side. I took it the same way others took the "do or do not" scene in ESB. Yoda didn't come across as particularly mean, and clearly isn't meant to come across that way either.

"[Shmi] met and a man and was freed. So why in the years she was free have the two not talked? She knew where he was. [The Jedi] forbid contact or their members from loving someone."

I never saw anyone outright forbid Anakin from seeing Shmi, in the movies. If we go by Canon, Dooku met his father and wasn't expelled, and in Legends, Adi Gallia speaks of her parents with reverence, as if she knew them.

Why have Anakin and Shmi not talked? Because Shmi is living with a farmer, she's made a new life for herself, and even if she wanted to, it'd be trying to get from Tatooine to the capital of the galaxy on a farmer's budget.

"Attack of the Clones is a forbidden love story."

Yes... but not exactly.

Love itself isn't forbidden. Love over duty is forbidden. It's not about not being allowed to be in a relationship, it's about being fully committed to whatever relationship you choose. In Anakin's case, he needs to choose between the Order and Padmé, and half-asses his commitment to both.

"Yoda even thinks the Jedi need to change at the end of the Revenge of the Sith novel."

Yeah... but not in the way you think.

The whole passage of that novel goes into how the Jedi were beaten because the Sith shifted the battlefield by going into politics, which the Jedi had no experience against. The Jedi were expecting an actual fight, instead they got checkmated by the very thing they were upholding.

The moral of that passage isn't "the Jedi were flawed because they didn't allow people to see their parents or because they didn't allow people to love" it's "had the Jedi been less politically-inept, they wouldn't have been blindsided."

"So for me the story is a family getting caught up in a religious war and it having dire consequences for them. Anakin was saved when Luke went against his teachers and tried to save his father proving beyond any doubt the Jedi were wrong."

Again: this is cool. More power to you.

But it's not the intended narrative.

Sure, Luke is proving them wrong in the sense that they thought Vader would never willingly come back to the Light - but even then, look how beat up Vader needs to be before he does.

But at the end of the day, Ben hopes that Luke is right.

He hopes that Vader can become Anakin again. It's just that he's painfully aware that the chances of that happening are very meager, and what's much more likely is that Luke will die instead or worse, fall to the Dark Side. Which almost happens. Again, love vs duty.

Luke isn't proving Ben wrong by rejecting the temptation of the Dark Side and sparing his father, a defenseless foe, because, just this once... his duty is to choose love, it's to show compassion.

He's just... being a Jedi. That's standard Jedi stuff.

And Jedi are awesome.

[nicothebug]

ʙᴀꜱɪᴄ ɪɴꜰᴏʀᴍᴀᴛɪᴏɴ

Name : N'ico Garou (she/her/they) Nicknames : Ico, Garou Age : 25 Occupation : Jedi Knight Current residence : Jedi Temple, Coruscant. Home planet : N'Zoth (canon planet name, but I built the rest). Independent and apolitical planet, known for their ethical raising of livestock. N'Zoth is also called Takodana's far-moon.

ᴍᴇ ᴀꜱ ᴀ ᴊᴇᴅɪ ᴋɴɪɢʜᴛ

Weapon(s) : two lightsabers, both pale yellow Fighting style : master of Shien & Djem So, proficient in Soresu and Makashi. Former Jedi master : Kit Fisto Current duties : i'm part of an investigation team that is looking for Sifo Dyas, I'm regularly sent on missions on other systems, and I sometimes act as a substitute teacher at the Temple.

ᴍʏ ᴊᴏᴜʀɴᴇʏ ɪɴ ᴛʜɪꜱ ᴅʀ

My S/O : Obi Wan Kenobi (26)

Backstory : I was born on N'Zoth to a Zoth farmer and a Coruscanti smuggler who had been seeking refuge. Soon after my birth, my father, the smuggler, is contacted by an old friend of his and he is never seen again. My mother falls ill and passes away soon after (sad backstory who's surprised). The rest of the community proceeds to raise me together.

On my third birthday, a Zoth trader who suspects I may be force sensitive goes off-planet to Takodana and presents me to Maz Kanata, who is force-sensitive. Maz confirms his suspicions.

This confirmation triggers several intense community meetings on N'Zoth. It is common knowledge that force-sensitives can have a hard time in the future if they receive no training (this is specific to my dr). On top of that, the Zoth deeply respect the jedi and what they stand for, so they'd be honored if one of their members became one.

Ultimately, they are unable to reach a decision. They call upon the Jedi Council to send someone to talk to them, and Kit Fisto is sent in hopes of reaching a settlement. The Zoth decide on leaving me to the Jedi Order, with the sole condition that I'd be able to visit my home planet as much as I wanted. I become a Youngling at the Temple and then Kit Fisto's Padawan.

At around 6/7, Young Obi Wan starts being a little shit (fueling animosity and competitiveness, he'd probably say it was me who started it but don't trust him guys he is a liar and a cheat). We spend our Youngling and early Padawan years trying to one-up each other constantly. The whole thing must've been so silly to watch from the pov of an older Jedi Master, but to us it was life or death. We eventually grow out of it and we go our own way.

Fast forward to my early twenties, I pass my last Jedi Trials on a difficult mission with Kit Fisto. I get knighted and start going on missions alone.

My first shift : I am hitching a ride inside a commercial ship, on my way back to the Jedi Temple. A few days later, the Naboo blockade happens and I am called to go to a meeting with the Jedi Council to discuss sending reinforcements. I interact with Obi Wan for the first time in years.

He will get knighted by the end of the Naboo conflict (Qui Gon does not die in my dr).

Following events (for now) : my dr *looooooosely* follows the plot of Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones and a tiny bit of Revenge of the Sith. I have switched some dates around and shortened the duration of the main conflict (2/3 years instead of 10+). There are far less battles and there is no actual "war".

In my dr, Sifo Dyas is still alive. I become part of the investigation team that is looking into his disappearance. A few months after my first shift our evidence starts hinting that Palpatine was somehow involved.

Anakin had been found by Qui Gon a few years prior to the Naboo blockade and became Windu's padawan. In the future, he becomes a knight, does not turn to the dark side, and will catch Palpatine alongside his former master. Order 66 is never initiated (thank fuck).

(I haven't watched SW rebels yet so some things might change if I decide to include some parts of the show).

*PSA ! the Jedi Order in my dr has a slightly different dynamic that the canon one. The canon one raises some ethical questions that I just don't want to deal with when I shift there heh. Might make a post on the changes I made idk.*

Last updated : 12/11/2024

[comebackali]

so overall, for the anakin touch count for the prequels it goes:

padme: 33

obi wan: 23

qui gon: 17

shmi: 11

sheev: 7

a handful of other people (jar jar, kitser, r2d2, c3po, etc.) touch him once or twice for a total touch count of 108 (the phantom menace: 44, attack of the clones: 27, and revenge of the sith: 37)

anakin prequels kiss count 💋: 13 (9 padme's & 4 shmi's)

[klerothesnowman]

Guys, you know Star Wars is bad right?

This blog is supposed to be a general "Klero feels like rambling so by god, they're gonna ramble" thing, but by virtue of other hobbies the thing I ramble the most about is Star Wars. This has led me to interacting with a lot of Star Wars fans, my most successful posts are Star Wars related, I have a small handful of followers who are big into Star Wars. And make no mistake that you'd be forgiven for making from that title, I love Star Wars.

But, like. It fucking sucks, right?

I don't remember a time that Star Wars didn't suck a little bit. My first exposure to the series was my grandmother's VHS copies, for me Star Wars was always a three piece set, the glorious "Flawless" Original Trilogy. Except it wasn't flawless, was it? Return of the Jedi sucked ass and everyone knows it. The script is less tightly written, there's a lot of scenes of people just standing around talking. Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher are phoning in their performances. The entire Jabba's Palace sequence is just a weird waste of time that only exists to rescue Han, who is a weird bumbling idiot now and contributes nothing else to the script. Also what is even the plan with the Jabba's palace sequence? My most generous interpretation is that by having everyone get captured one by one it meant everyone was in the Palace without arousing suspicion or something? But, like, then what? They just kill everyone? They could have done that from the start right? I have to stop now or I never will. Ewoks too, Ewoks suck.

And the Prequels suck too, Attack of the Clones and Phantom Menace are horrible, Revenge of the Sith is just fine at best. The sequels? Rancid. Trash. The Last Jedi is the best one and that sucks too. Spin offs? There are so many stupid awful episodes of Clone Wars, most people recommending you watch the show tell you to skip a lot of episodes. Ahsoka is such an frustrating character because she's long since wrung out every bit of worth her character has but she's still around. The Mandalorian started promising but it was so clearly lost in the sauce of rewrites and nostalgia bait that it burned away all good will it gained. It sucks! It all sucks!

And don't think just because you're not canon anymore doesn't mean I'm not coming for you too EU. Because the vast majority of your content sucks ass too. For every mid book everyone champions as good there's at least three more that are absolute trash. They suffer the same problem the Sequel trilogy does, multiple writers with their own visions actively struggling against each other and not communicating. The Yuuzhan Vong are weird relics of the war on terror era, characters like Triclops, new super weapons that outclass the Death Star every other book, Luuke, the stupid lightsaber knee suit, there's just so much stupid shit.

Also not to mention, the fact that the world building is basically "What they did in the Original Trilogy is their entire species". Greedo was a Bounty Hunter? Rodians have a rich culture of hunting. Bossk the Trandoshan? Shit, I guess Trandos love hunting. Gand Bounty Hunter? Tracker Culture. Guys you'll never guess what most Mandalorians do for money. It's all so stupid and lazy, and it's always to either nostalgia bait something from the movies or justify some weird thing a nerd always goes "Erm, but that doesn't make sense...", like the Kessel Run ACTUALLY being this super dangerous and chaotic wormhole thing so it totally makes sense that Han said he completed it in units of distance instead of time. Anakin said "Are you an angel?" so someone invented a species of winged beautiful beings that get called angels. Han said "See you in Hell" so instead of just brushing that off their shoulder someone invented an entire bad time afterlife just to justify it.

The Corellian Bloodstripe gave me a fucking aneurysm

So yeah, Star Wars fucking sucks. It's a trash series full of trash. For everything I like about it there's something I fucking hate. it's the worst. Written by an endless parade of chuckle fucks all adding their own piece of the garbage to the pile, and now the garbage pile has gotten so big that you can mark out its location in the middle of the great pacific.

So yeah, there we go. Five paragraphs of being a hater. What's my point?

To all you people roleplaying Star Wars, writing Star Wars fics or just generally vibing in Star Wars imaginings, how often does that shit come up? How often are you mixing ideas from Legends and Canon? How often do you just casually ignore something from the EU. In my own little RP crowd Electric Judgement just doesn't exist. "Force Lightning but it's okay, actually" is stupid, the point of Force Lightning being this evil awful thing is that Palpatine took cosmic spiritual connection and then turned it into something that can only harm. The Force is an intensely spiritual idea that has some big ideas behind it, but also it's vessel in which Cool Space Magic happens and some people really want their protagonists to do Cool Space Magic and ignore the fact that doing Cool Space Magic is fucked up, actually.

They ignored it, and if you don't vibe with it you should ignore it too.

Because all of that stupid trash I listed are marks against the particular piece of Star Wars media, not Star Wars as a whole. Star Wars is not the Original Trilogy, it's not the Prequels, the Sequels, or the spin offs. Star Wars is the Vibe of Star Wars. Star Wars is a fantastical space opera with laser swords and spiritual warrior monks. For every awful thing in Star Wars there's something fucking cool. The quality of Star Wars wasn't in the content, but the way that the content could capture your imagination.

The Jabba's Palace sequence is fucking stupid and is effectively a tumor on the script of RotJ, it's also a fun swashbuckling adventure with sword fights and exciting music. RotJ is a boring, plodding mess of a movie where nothing of consequence happens until the end, and it's the best finale Star Wars has ever had.

(I genuinely can't decide how to end this ramble, because I have so many directions I want to take it. So I guess I'll just end it here make new rambles for those new directions.)

[klarasplayground]

Every time I plan to watch Attack of the Clones/Revenge of the Sith, it's like "Oh this is the greatest film ever! Oh, here goes Anakin again..." and that's why The Phantom Menace is the best movie ever

[galacticjedimaster]

The Lore

The First three episodes (The Phantom Menace, Attack of The Clones, Revenge of The Sith) develop around the fall of the Jedi Order. The Jedi Order played a prominent role in aiding to keep peace. As tension grew in the Senate about the on-going war. More and more people started to distrust that the Jedi Order was protecting them. This brought a leeway for Senator Palpatine to influence people into voting him Chancellor. Even the Queen of Naboo States “The day we stop believing in democracy is the day we lose it.” (Charles 288) But by the end of the Clone Wars, Order 66 took place. (Which was the mass killing of Jedi)

Thus what was there to protect people now has fallen under Palpatine, and he rebranded the Galactic Republic to the Galactic Empire. But unbeknown to new watchers Palptine is a sith lord. He slowly influences Anakin to the dark side by stating “Once more the Sith will rule the galaxy and we shall have peace.” (Charles 288) With the rise of Darth Vader, we move on to the next three episodes where we see the formation of a rebellion. Princess Leia is the front and center of the new rebellion we enter. The Age of the Rebellion goes from Leia barely escaping with the plans to the Death Star to fully destroying the Galactic Empire. That's the whole story, or so we thought. With the next 3 trilogy coming out in 2015, it introduced us to the First Order. The First Order attacked the New Republic that was formed after the fall of the Galactic Empire. This completes all we know about the Star Wars universe.

[thehylianbatman]

Some Notes on the Style of Star Wars Intros

This post has nothing to do with Disney or their movies.

Hello. I've been intaking a lot of Star Wars content recently. I've been seeing a lot of things done that irk me, so I want to share with you all the style I've noticed from watching Episodes I-VI.

I. The Title

So watching the films, stylistically, the full title of, we'll say Episode I as an example, is: STAR WARS: Episode I - THE PHANTOM MENACE. In the intro, the title should be in all caps. If it's part of a series, that part comes first, and should be in uh. I forget the name of it now but the thing where they're all capital letters, but the first letter is capitalized and the others are the size of normal letters, but they're all capital letters. Of course, the logo is all caps, but you know that by now. It's UNIVERSE TITLE: Series Title - WORK TITLE. STAR WARS: Rogue Squadron III - REBEL STRIKE. STAR WARS: Jedi Knight II - JEDI OUTCAST. STAR WARS: The Force Unleashed II. STAR WARS: BOUNTY HUNTER. STAR WARS: The Clone Wars - RISE OF THE BOUNTY HUNTERS. This is the way these titles should be formatted, though I can't speak as to whether they are or not.

II. Punctuation

Avoid exclamation points, questions marks, quotation marks, and anything else odd. Periods and commas are what make it. I did not keep an eye out for colons and semicolons, but I'd bet they're okay, too.

A single exclamation point appears in Episode III after the first word: War! This is acceptable because it's like a newsreel. Read it out loud in an old-timey voice and it'll sound right. Avoid overuse, however; there's only one exclamation point in six movies' worth of intros.

At the end of your crawl, have a four-point ellipsis. It's like this.... I don't know why.

III. Capitalization

Of course, capitalize your proper nouns, but don't put anything in all caps unless it is of galactic importance. All-caps words appear in three crawls, half of the films. The all-caps words are ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC in Attack of the Clones, DEATH STAR in Episode IV, and GALACTIC EMPIRE in Episode VI. Character names, group names, none of those are capitalized, with the sole exception of Army of the Republic; this is acceptable not because it is a group, but because before it is created, there is no army; you can't create an army if you already have one, can you? The ramifications of the creation of an army are galactic: the discord that leads to the Clone Wars, the fall of the Republic, the rise of the Empire, and the Galactic Civil War. The army itself is not galactic, but the ramifications are. Same with the Death Star, a culmination of three films' worth of build-up; we see the plans in Episode II and construction started in Episode III, and then it's complete and ready to destroy in Episode IV. Galactic Empire needs no explanation, I trust.

Do not capitalize character names, group names, or anything that's not of GALACTIC IMPORTANCE.

Yeah, that's it. Lucasfilm is not above making mistakes; I watched the crawls from all the LucasArts-developed Star Wars video games (13 crawls in total), and ten of them had words in all-caps. While two of those were in alignment with the films (DEATH STAR in STAR WARS: DARK FORCES and GALACTIC EMPIRE in STAR WARS REBEL ASSAULT: Episode II - THE HIDDEN EMPIRE), six of those were character names. STAR WARS: OBI-WAN goes to the insane lengths of all-caps'ing every character mentioned in their opening crawl, plus the term JEDI KNIGHTS. The point here is, if LucasArts can make mistakes and still answer to The Big Man, it's okay for you to make mistakes. I probably have myself. But now I'm putting this out here so maybe we can all do it differently.

Here's every ALL-CAPS words from the films and the video games, plus the sole exclamation point:

Episode II - Attack of the Clones: ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC Episode III - Revenge of the Sith: War! Episode IV - A New Hope: DEATH STAR Episode VI - Return of the Jedi: GALACTIC EMPIRE

Dark Forces: DEATH STAR REBEL ASSAULT: Episode II - The Hidden Empire: GALACTIC EMPIRE Dark Forces II - Jedi Knight: DEATH STAR, DARK JEDI, JEREC, VALLEY OF THE JEDI Episode I Racer: GALACTIC PODRACING CIRCUIT, BOONTA CLASSIC Obi-Wan: JEDI KNIGHTS, OBI-WAN KENOBI, JEDI KNIGHT, QUI-GON JINN, OBI-WAN, MACE WINDU Starfighter: RHYS DALLOWS, VANA SAGE, NYM Jedi Starfighter: ADI GALLIA, CAVIK TOTH Bounty Hunter: BANDO GORA The Force Unleashed: GALACTIC EMPIRE, DARTH VADER The Force Unleashed II: DARTH VADER, GALACTIC EMPIRE, RAHM KOTA

[thornetabris]

hi! okay so i just finished ahsoka, LOVED it (mostly bc all of it was completely female led which you don’t see often these days). i loved ahsoka, sabine, shin, baylan and thrawn particularly. i’m a major wolfwren shipper lol.

okay but here’s the thing; watching ahsoka has made me want to consume more star wars media. before ahsoka, i only watched the sequels and the other movies before when i was like 12. soo i have no idea where to start.

i believe beginning with star wars the clone wars would make sense, but do i need to rewatch the prequel films in order to understand the clone wars (i basically remember nothing from the prequel movies) or can i jump right into it? and after that there’s all these disney plus shows, like the mandalorian which doesn’t seem connected to the movies as far as i can tell - and then there’s star wars rebels! idk, i guess i’m asking if you could give me any advice on where to start and follow on from there? pretty please???

sure!!! im just going to give you where I, personally, would advice on beginning. so I'd say to look around with some other blogs aswell!

disney+ has a chronological list set up if you want to watch everything as a marathon of some sorts. I'd say now is a good time for a marathon too – the next tv show is only coming out in 01/24/24, so you'll have plenty of time to catch up on everything.

there's also the infamous Machete Order, which takes off tv shows and focuses solely on the movies. I wouldn't personally go this route if you wanna really get into star wars as a whole, but if you just want to be up to date, it's a good place to start too – a bit confusing, maybe. They flip the order quite a bit to make it all flow better as a narrative; the prequels are, actually, just an elongated flashback.

Here's how it goes: a new hope, the empire strikes back, the phantom menace, attack of the clones, revenge of the sith, return of the jedi, the force awakens, the last jedi AND the rise of skywalker.

If you don't want to go Machete but per release, it's just the Original Trilogy, The Prequels, The Clone Wars cartoon and then The Sequels. It's very confusing though. I only do it like this if I'm watching it with someone I know has no knowledge whatsoever of the franchise, Vader's identity… all the nice little retcons disguised as plot twists.

Now, if the person does know about it all, which I think you do by the question, I'd say just go chronological order as it's put into the disney+ list. if you just wanna watch the movies first, it's prequels, original and then sequels. I'm gonna write the list with the tv shows sprinkled into it:

Phantom Menace, Attack of The Clones, The Clone Wars, Revenge of The Sith, The Bad Batch, Solo, Obi Wan Kenobi, Rebels, Andor, Rogue One, A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, The Mandalorian s1-2, The Book of Boba Fett, The Mandalorian s3, Ahsoka, Resistance, The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi aaaaaand The Rise of Skywalker.

Oof! big chunk. Adventures of Young Jedis is a fun little cartoon that before everything, but it's very much targeted towards children beneath, say, 11 years old. But still fun to watch if you want to. Visions are independent and non-chronological episodes, so you don't need to include it if you don't want to. I recommend it tho. They're very well done. Tales of the Jedi are also non-chronological, but they follow and study characters such as Ahsoka, Dookan, Qui-Gonn. I highly recommend watching it after the prequels, but again, they are not necessary per se to understand the scope as a whole. Resistance is… Resistance. I didn't enjoy it as much i wished i could (i love the rebels, i love everything about them as a storyline), but they do provide some much needed information that bridges the original trilogy and the sequels.

Now. The Clone Wars. TCW has their fair amount of filler episodes, and it is a seven seasons big chunk. It also was not released with episodes as chronological, so you'd have episodes that released first but were placed before in the timeline. so no judgement if you decide to go Machete on it. Here's a list to the episodes that contains all the most important arcs in it:

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2023/07/the-essential-clone-wars-episodes-every-star-wars-fan-should-watch/

I think. I think that's it!! Hope this helps you anon. I'm always here if you want to!!

[shdwsnightmares]

Starting August 1st, I'll be happy to bring my Teddy Bear series of the @starwars franchise. It'll be my take on characters and scenes from the various film and television programs in the Disney Star Wars canon. I know there are tons of great characters from the Legends stories but I did not manage to fit everyone I had hoped to after my decision to limit each film or show to a single image. I do have plans to expand as the universe does, so hopefully I'll be able to find room for those characters left behind as they pop up again in new media.

That being said, this project took a year of on-and-off work to compile, especially when new shows or seasons were released while I was working causing alterations or adding pictures. The current count is 20:

Tales of the Jedi

The Phantom Menace

Attack of the Clones

The Clone Wars

Revenge of the Sith

The Bad Batch

Solo

Kenobi

Rebels

Andor

Rogue One

A New Hope

The Empire Strikes Back

Return of the Jedi

The Mandalorian

The Book of Boba Fett

Resistance

The Force Awakens

The Last Jedi

The Rise of Skywalker

After I finish working on other projects, I may add the game side of the Star Wars lore so be on the lookout for that, but until then, may the fluff be with you and hope you enjoy.

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[capthowzer]

Ahmed Best as Jedi Master Kelleran Beq in The Mandalorian "Chapter 20: The Foundling"

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More George Lucas debunking misconceptions about the Prequel Jedi:

"Anakin killed the Jedi in retaliation. They failed him, betrayed him and didn't allow him to have a relationship, so he killed them all."

"[In Revenge of the Sith] The controversy is going to be that people expect some horrible, horrific thing to happen to [Anakin] that caused him to [become Darth Vader]. It's much subtler. It's something that everybody faces— when you're looking at yourself, you can see your good and your bad, and say, "Is this a selfish choice or is this a compassionate choice? And once I get something, what would I do to keep from losing it? Would I make a pact with the devil to keep it?" - Entertainment Weekly #785, 2004

"… some of the people had a hard time with the reason that Anakin goes bad. [...] They wanted a real betrayal, such as, "You tried to kill me so now I'm going to try and kill you." They didn't seem to understand the fact that Anakin is simply greedy. There is no revenge." - The Making of Revenge of The Sith, page 188

"The rest of the Jedi have dogmatically forgotten how to love out of fear of having attachments, Qui-Gon is the only one who knows that you can love people selflessly, without getting possessive."

"The fact that everything must change and that things come and go through his life and that he can't hold onto things, which is a basic Jedi philosophy that he isn't willing to accept emotionally and the reason that is because he was raised by his mother rather than the Jedi. If he'd have been taken in his first year and started to study to be a Jedi, he wouldn't have this particular connection as strong as it is and he'd have been trained to love people but not to become attached to them. But he has become attached to his mother and he will become attached to Padmé and these things are, for a Jedi, who needs to have a clear mind and not be influenced by threats to their attachments, a dangerous situation." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

"Obviously, it’s a progression. But in [Attack of the Clones], you begin to see that he has a fear of losing things, fear of losing his mother. And as a result, he wants to begin to control things, he wants to become more powerful. And these are not Jedi traits. And part of this is because he started to be trained so late in life, that he had already formed these attachments. And for a Jedi, attachment is forbidden. You can love people, but you have to love them unconditionally, in terms that you can’t hold on to them." - CNN, “Countdown to the Clones”, 2002

"The Jedi are trained to let go. They're trained from birth. They’re not supposed to form attachments. They can love people - in fact, they should love everybody. They should love their enemies; they should love the Sith. But they can't form attachments. So what all these movies are about is: greed. Greed is a source of pain and suffering for everybody. And the ultimate state of greed is the desire to cheat death." - The Making of Revenge of The Sith, page 213

"Ultimately for a Jedi Knight, it’s very easy to give up. One of the things they give up is marriage. They can still love people. But they can’t possess them. They can’t own them. They can’t demand that they do things. They have to be able to accept the fact, one, their mortality, that they are going to die. And not worry about it. That the loved ones they have, everything they love is going to die and they can’t do anything about it." - Celebration V, Main Event, 2010

"The Jedi in The High Republic are the Jedi in their prime/heyday. By the time of the Prequels, they've become political and dispassionate/prohibitive."

"[In Phantom Menace] you see the heyday of the Jedi, when they are the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, sort of like the old marshals out West. And there's thousands of them." - Vanity Fair, 1999

"We've actually never seen real Jedi at work, we've only seen crippled half-droid half-men, and young boys that had learned from these old people. So to see a Jedi in his prime fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I want it to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we've been doing." - The Phantom Menace, “Fights”, 2001

"Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships." - BBC News, 2002

"[When Obi-Wan talks to Anakin about politicians, we learn about] the Jedi’s disenchantment with the political process, due to the corruption and the ineffectiveness of the Senate." - Attack of the Clones, Director’s Commentary, 2002

"The Jedi aren't really allowed to be involved in the political process. They're [present in the Senate when Palpatine is given emergency powers], but they can't suddenly step up and say, "No, no. You can't do that." They have to let the political process go." - Attack of the Clones, Commentary Track #2, 2002