#marvel MCU visionquest

[thewitchesineveryuniverse]

♦️i always take rumours with a pinch of salt, especially about live action wanda & this makes me kind of upset because i know how this ends & i think it's sad to get hopes up when probably nothing at all will happen for her character. personally i think it will be the agatha & billy ending because unless they are doing a second agatha all along season or making a wiccan series, it will continue & end the story with billy finding tommy (assuming tucker is tommy) although i think tommy will want to stay near vision unless the kaplans' take him (rebecca & jeff i love you <3) in.

♦️ i don't personally think they'll find the other young avengers as this version of billy doesn't seem like he'd fit in a team as he's been given a more scarlet witch like role. i do think that at the end of visionquest we'll get a final, definite confirmation that live action wanda is 100% truly dead & gone for good & vision, tommy, billy & agatha reunion will potentially lead into doomsday where it has already been rumoured that doom is looking for reality altering powers & the only character with powers like that is billy, so i think we'll see vision, agatha & tommy together trying to keep him safe from doom.

♦️ also i think it's more likely we'll see agatha & billy as from what i have read, kathryn hahn & joe locke speak positively about their continued roles & want their stories to continue whereas, elizabeth olsen doesn't seem keen to carry on.

♦️leaving it to all of you to tell me your thoughts on this rumour

[etcemais]

Uma noticia triste para quem estava ansiosos para algumas séries do MCU. Segundo o The Hollywood Reporter, a Marvel decidiu adiar a maioria que estavam próximas de estrear. Segundo o site, Eco, que antes estava programada para novembro, agora chegará em janeiro de 2024; X-men ‘97, que antes estava programada para o terceiro trimestre de 2023, agora deve chegar no começo de 2024; Agatha: Darkhold Diaries foi adiada para outubro de 2024. Já as séries Coração de Ferro, que também programada para estrear este ano mas teve sua pós-produção paralisada, Daredevil: Born Again e Wonder Man, que filmavam até o começo da paralisação, foram retiradas do calendário de estreias.

Mas não vivemos só de notícias ruins, já que a Marvel planeja manter a estreia da segunda temporada de Loki para o dia 6 de outubro e a segunda temporada de What If?… deve estrear próximo ao Natal.

[stormythalamus]

agatha finale rant

so I’ve been seeing a lot of people complaining about the finale of Agatha and I wanted to give my two cents on their main points: 

1. “they used agatha’s show as a way to promote a man!!” well yes! that’s how marvel tv works im afraid. or any tv, really. wandavision was used to introduce agatha and monica, which led to their projects in the mcu (aaa, marvels). agatha introduced billy, leading to his future in visionquest or his solo series, which will introduce tommy and vision, which will lead to children’s crusade to reintroduce wanda. this is common for any tv show, but especially a big, connected franchise like marvel. i find it so concerning that even after all the promotion that showed us billy and agatha as co-leads, people were STILL shocked when the finale sets up a future story centered around him. like i hate to break it to yall but marvel wants money. and more shows means more money.

2. “they killed off a lesbian woman and not the gay man!” first of all, in the comics, agatha is a spirit guide for the scarlet witch. this form is her most comic accurate yet. also, did yall really think that was an unfair ending? or an ending PERIOD? all her death made me think of was the possibilities for the future with both billy AND rio. and again; rio was promoted as the ‘antagonist’ to agatha since the beginning. i don’t know how people went into this excepting a happily ever after for these two. they were always depicted as tragic lovers, and i honestly think the kiss of death was beautiful and poetic. i also don’t think this is the last we’re seeing of rio. and, as a side note, homophobia is still not okay! it doesn’t matter if you’re also gay; lesbians can be homophobic towards gay men, and gay men can be lesbophobic towards lesbians. and i’ve seen wayyyy too much of both in this fanbase. you can criticize characters and critique actors without bringing up their sexuality. we have enough incel homophobes doing that for us

3. if you’re still complaining about wanda not coming back i have no hope for you

4. this show, since day ZERO, was promoted as a show with billy and agatha as coleads. while i wish we had more backstory for how agatha and rio met, the salem flashbacks involving nicholas, the road scheme, and the song were much more important to the show. the parallels between nicky and billy were explored throughout the season a lot more than agatha and rios story (whether or not you like it, it’s still true (i personally wish we had a bit more on how they met 😭))

5. sending hate to actors about things their characters did is STILL not okay! and never will be!

6. this might be a hot take but if you’re only watching a show for a ship and don’t care about the story at all your opinion is irrelevant to me. like people who started watching after it was revealed in the show that agatha and rio were lovers (because, correct me if i’m wrong, this was never revealed before the episodes dropped) have no right to be upset when the show focuses on other things. and this is coming from a MASSIVE fan of agathario. and a lesbian. i loved the fact that i was watching characters who just happened to be lesbians have their own story. yes, i wish there was more agathario in the flashbacks. but i’m really not upset at all by what we got. and don’t get me wrong, people have every right to be disappointed, but they don’t have the right to hate on the creators and actors of the show. that’s not cool.

this is way longer than i thought it was gonna be 😭😭 hope everyone enjoyed the finale

[holyblanchett]

Marvel was all over feminism and girl power when it made money and good press in the 2010. But now that we evolved from muse cheering about just having a woman on screen at all to wanting them to be treated with the same care and respect as the male counter parts, it’s getting really awkward.

Because they’re risking to offend their safest target audience (cis straight men) by making Agatha a lesbian and introducing Death as WLW.

Right now, we have Marvel driving the safe route (guys look Wiccan and Visionquest yay!) and Schaefer trying to appease the uproar from the way smaller, sapphic community (they were like soooo married guys they have a child together too :D) that she attracted with the story she wrote (and is somehow surprised by but that’s another story lol).

They’re just milking both sides separately to not risk losing the approval/view/indefinitely the money of either.

Whether Agathario being married was actually on the story board or not doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. In canon, that is not clear and that’s why it’s so frustrating, and, sorry guys I’m gonna say it, lackluster representation. Same with Rio being the father, the cottage life backstory bla bla.

If I told my friends’ bf who has watched AAA too that ACTUALLY Rio is Nicky’s father and they were married and lived in a cottage together he’d be like LOL no they weren’t they didn’t show any of that. Deniable representation is not the revolutionary wonderful story they’re trying to convince us they DEFINITELY wrote. It’s also very backwards in this time tbh.

Slightly off topic but still in the same jargon, but in my humble opinion the funniest thing Plaza could do now is when she will eventually get presented a Deadpool movie script (and I am quite sure they are at least brainstorming the idea over at Marvel HQ) where she makes an appearance as Lady Death (whether that be romantic or not or even just a cameo) to be like Fuck No I don’t wanna do that shit I’m out. It’d be hilarious.

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OH YOU WENT THERE!! SPITTING STRAIGHT FACTS.

This is honestly the best take I've read in a long time. I agree 1000% it is very backwards. I feel like if it wasn't Kathryn hahn and Aubrey Plaza portraying Agatha/Death there would be alot more outrage from the Sapphics about the lackluster representation.

Im hoping if they do introduce death in the larger mcu space that it isn't Aubrey... Marvel is currently in their multiverse era so it shouldn't be that hard.

[jenniferoksana]

So I have some thoughts re: AAA S2...

First, I still believe there will be a season two in some form that is not VisionQuest because rabid shippers and/or bots (there are still dumb MCU boy theories that AAA only has buzz cuz bots) do not cause Disney execs to praise a show for opening up new quadrants and opening their brains to new ways to do MCU shows at shareholder meetings. Hard numbers and ROI do that and atop that, there's the prestige aspect. Kathryn Hahn has to be coming up on "actor most nominated for a Marvel role", seems genuinely excited to spend 5-10 more years doing this, overcame a right-wing review bomb AND seems to be a delight to work with (Brad Winderbaum had her for *voice work* and was like "oh, Kathryn is great") for cast and crew.

So, you know, why would your business division say "nah, I don't like awards, pop culture buzz, money, and an easy set that makes prestige actors who don't give a shit about the MCU say 'oh, I'll work with Kathryn'?" (For example, I expect to see Ariana Grande and Kathryn Hahn in a project together in the next 3 years) Exactly. You do not. I suspect D23 is gonna be lit for Kathryn Hahn fans and AAA S2.

That said, Marvel has done so few second seasons that of course they didn't expect their cheapest show full of gays, ladies over 40, and lady gays to be the next obvious S2 and especially not figuring out how to do that with the months since its finale including events like 'electing a gay-hating POTUS who likes yelling at Disney', 'one of the main actors had a terrible personal tragedy', and 'oops, entertainment industry region ON FIRE', so I'm not shocked things are up in the air. The negotiations for S2 probably didn't start in earnest until Disney Prime was like "Tangled, queen? Tangled, queen?" and Agatha Harkness is an amazing character with too many potential directions but no clear one.

What do I mean? Mostly that you can slot Agatha into several Marvel projects but none of them seem obvious. For example, she's canonically tied to the Fantastic Four and F4 is directed by a Wandavision alum. Agatha variant watching Franklin? POSSIBLE. VisionQuest seems entirely possible, though I'm a "I don't even know if Wanda and the twins will be a factor in the show" person. Billy is clearly heading to YA/Champions, why not his dirtbag ghost aunt? What if Wanda comes back in Doomsday under Doom's control and we all know "oh shit, dirtbag ghost aunt has a surprise tool that can help The Avengers later?" and suddenly Agatha and the twins have a key role in Secret Wars? All of that influences timeline for AAA S2.

And the tl;dr is that Jac and Kathryn don't talk like people who don't have an S2 in the works, it just has practical reasons to be up in the air for a few more months.

[strangers-fiction]

i actually loved that finale, and i’m glad that i re-watched wandavision over the weekend because I see the vision for where this story is going and how it’s going to connect. i might’ve literally lost the plot for the rest of the mcu, but i’m definitely still locked in for visionquest and any other projects that connect to the Jac Schaeffer CU.

but like no post credits?? no ‘x character’ will return?? damn marvel

[aimmyarrowshigh]

What are your thoughts on Kamala taking lead with the Young Avengers?

In the MCU? I like it -- I feel like her fandom of Carol and the Avengers makes it fit to have her go out and try to create a new superhero team of other young heroes, because she would be the one sitting there thinking about it and going, "The Avengers are gone, but the world still has problems. I can't solve them all on my own/learned teamwork with Monica and Carol/can honor Monica by being a hero/love other nerds who love superheroes," you know?

And especially given Secret Invasion, it wouldn't make any sense to have Fury be the one to put together the Young Avengers. Although the timeline with him is fucky because they switched the release dates of The Marvels and Secret Invasion, so whatever.

And in the comics, Kamala was the leader of the Champions, so it totally makes sense that she'd lead the MCU Champions/Young Avengers crossover team (because they're not going to have both, let's be real. There's also so many fucking movies/shows). Billy and Tommy are currently too young AND have THE most confusing backstory in comics, so putting either of them in charge wouldn't make the most sense. Cassie is on the West Coast. Kate is, as she tells Kamala, a bit older, and also Hawkeyes tend to be pretty solitary workers. Skar is... whatever the fuck is going on there that I'm pretending isn't going on over there. Peter is busy trying to eke out a living on his own in this universe, so he's probably both busy AND too traumatized to make new connections this soon. Eli hasn't made his heroic debut yet, although we've seen him. Yelena's a Thunderbolt. Love Thorsdottir is way too young. Phyla-Vel is in space. Toussaint/T'Challa and Morgan are too young. I feel like Kamala's the only one who COULD do it in a reasonable way, you know?

I feel like I'm forgetting someone. RIRI! Riri could do it, but again, she's older in this universe (college) and my insane "the MCU could make sense if they would do [X]" brain keeps insisting that she's going to be MJ's roommate at MIT in Ironheart or SM4. BECAUSE THEY'RE BOTH AT MIT. AND MIT CAN'T BE *THAT* BIG. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE, MARVEL. PLEASE MAKE SENSE.

I want the Young Avengers to be so good that it knocks me on my ass. I want it to be so good that it knocks Trendy MCU Haters on their asses. And I want Kamala to get to have that. Iman is SO wonderful and Kamala is SO great, and I want people to love her the way she deserves, dammit.

Also, if VisionQuest isn't canceled (which, who the fuck knows) -- I want it to be exactly Vision (2015), which is just exactly WandaVision but this time Vision's the one who created a fake family out of heartbroken madness. And I want Viv Vision in the MCU. I love Viv Vision so fucking much.

Also, I want My Blorbo Nadia! It could happen!!! Hank banged a lady named Linda while Janet was boinking Bill Murray in the Quantum Realm, so Hank could TOTALLY have a daughter that was in the Red Room (WHOM NATASHA AND YELENA FREED??? IN BLACK WIDOW??? MY HEART?!!?) and is a science genius who comes to find the Pym/Van Dynes and is just like, "Hello, I am here now, I love you, family!"

I don't know how they can reasonably have Hulkling after the MCU's version of Secret Invasion AND how the MCU Kree are so unilaterally evil. But also, the MCU is homophobic af so they probably won't have Hulkling anyway. >:(

Just... ::exhale:: There are so many fucking threads open within the MCU thOH MY GOD I FORGOT AMERICA CHAVEZ ALSO THERE ARE SO MANY OPEN THREADS AND I'M TRYING TO TIE THEM TOGETHER ON MY RED STRING BOARD AND THEY WON'T TIE TOGETHER, HOLLIE, THEY WON'T TIE TOGETHER.

I just want. The MCU. To be cohesive. And make sense. And close its plotholes in ways that are narratively satisfying. And also, Steve is on the moon.

[ao3feed-wandamaximoff]

there is love in your body (but you cant let it out)

by morkiiimoo Rotting, something inside of him is rotting away and the worst part is that he can feel it happening. But the Vision lives anyway. Words: 3558, Chapters: 1/3, Language: English Series: Part 8 of keep our love alive Fandoms: Marvel Cinematic Universe, WandaVision (TV) Rating: Teen And Up Audiences Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Categories: Gen Characters: Vision (Marvel), White Vision (Marvel), Tommy Maximoff, Tommy Shepherd, Mentioned Wanda Maximoff - Character, mentioned billy kaplan - Character Relationships: Wanda Maximoff/Vision, Tommy Shepherd & Vision, Tommy Maximoff & Vision, Billy Kaplan & Wanda Maximoff & Tommy Shepherd & Vision Additional Tags: Father-Son Relationship, VisionQuest Speculation, Not Canon Compliant, Vision is a Good Father, And Deserves to Be One, It's sad how often he's ignored, im still SO bitter that comics vision has barely spoken to tommy and billy at all, i hope that the mcu will change that, tommy is a time warper, this will be important i promise, Other Additional Tags to Be Added via https://ift.tt/u9OQATI

[zaffiri-saffici]

Eek, I'm sorry you had this experience. There are lots of fans of this show out there who will argue that AAA can stand alone from other MCU products, but unfortunately, everything Marvel does is part of a grander narrative, so I would disagree. While the story in AAA can stand on its own from the rest of the MCU, ultimately, it is part of a bigger whole and that context can impact how you perceive this project from the next.

You could technically watch this show and only this show, but without the backstory from WandaVision, Doctor Strange MoM, and some of the previous Avengers movies that came before it, it's hard to do.

Agatha Harkness was never supposed to be this grand character, to my knowledge. It was really Kathryn Hahn's insanely iconic introduction and performance in WandaVision that ultimately made the Marvel producers ask her, "How would you like your own show?"

There was always a plan to introduce Billy Maximoff and eventually tie that into the Young Avengers arc, but now, Marvel had this popular character that kind of thwarted their plans a bit. And that was a good thing because it meant they were listening to their audience! (hard ask for Marvel historically, tbh)

So what we got with AAA was more context on Agatha's history, how and why she became this villain character, and how that ties into other important questions about things like the Darkhold (though that's still a bit of a hole by the end of AAA, and I wish we got more answers about it), but the sad truth is that her role and impact (based on the comics and the MCU's current plans) means that she will likely never be a driving character that the Marvel relies on to further the other stories that are already on the move as we enter the next phase of the MCU.

What this show did give us was a canon sapphic relationship, a canon queer character as a main character, and a pretty awesome, layered villain with an open ending that implies we will continue to see more of her in future projects (I know Kathryn is signed on for multiple mcu projects so I don't doubt whether they continue Agatha's story in a second AAA season or in VisionQuest or other upcoming projects, that we will see more of her). Agatha and her popularity was pretty much all thanks to Jac Schaeffer and her writing team, in combination with Kathryn Hahn's stellar performance in WandaVision. It was a perfect recipe for a new project centered predominantly on her.

It also undeniably told the Marvel exec team that there is a massively underfed audience base out there who craves this representation and media that they are missing out on and that they should probably (and FINALLY) start investing more into. AAA broke records for viewership and acclaim, surpassing Loki S2, which was one of Marvel's most recent successful projects before it. And I believe they saw more Disney+ subscribers as a result than during any other release, which says a lot tbh, because Disney has notoriously not supported wlw media in the past, amongst other things.

I am looking forward to how they decide to incorporate her character in future projects, now that they have the data to say they need to being doing more with queer rep, and I hope, somewhere in that process, and because of the ship's popularity, that we'll see them revisit the Agatha/Rio dynamic, too. But, the MCU is not a place where anyone should ever get their hopes up. They will always have bigger plans and a larger agenda, and every project is just one piece of a larger whole.

I live comfortably in a fanfiction bubble and will gladly stay that way.

Watched all of ‘Agatha All Along’. The story was certainly interesting but the reason why I wanted to watch it wasn’t really given much focus. I mean aside from what they did to each other, it was pretty bland.

Oh well. Here’s to the next one.

To be honest - short-form just doesn’t really satisfy me.

It’s my own fault really. That’s more the problem than anything else. I keep expecting something really significant and I never get it. I need to lower them.

[thewitchesineveryuniverse]

♦️ sometimes it just hits me that wanda is dead & we're never going to see her again in live action (until at least the mcu is rebooted & in the stories are told again) & it just makes me so sad 😔

but when i talk about this i really don't want to sound ungrateful because i am grateful for what we had, the fact that the first comic book character i ever saw & my all time favourite had her own series, was in several films & that makes me so happy & it's more than i could ever have hoped for & what's even more fantastic is that the characters closest to her had their own shows, child!me would never have imagined that her second favourite comic book character, agatha harkness would get her own show & vision, my beloved dragonfruit boi they're coming back in his own series, i am going to see them, my favourite robot, again on my screen next year, how cool is that? & hopefully billy & agatha's story will get a continuation one day.

honestly i am so, so grateful & thankful for the creators of wandavision, agatha all along & visionquest they brought my childhood favourite comic book characters to life in such an inventive way & i know spiritually in my bones that visionquest will also be a masterpiece.

[etcemais]

Com a D23 acontecendo neste fim de semana, a Disney segue liberando diversas noticias para os fãs, inclusive as novidades da Marvel. Uma das novidades, foi um novo pôster oficial de Agatha Desde Sempre.

Desenvolvida desde outubro de 2021, a série conta com Jac Shaefer como roteirista chefe e produtora executiva, mesma função que exercia em WandaVision. Ainda sem muitos detalhes sobre o enredo, é provável que o projeto explore mais as raízes mágicas de Agatha, abrindo as portas e apresentando novos feiticeiros e bruxas para o MCU.

É importante lembrar que Agatha Desde Sempre não é o único projeto que nasceu de WandaVision, já que uma série focada no Visão, protagonizada por Paul Bettany, também está em desenvolvimento. Até então, a série se chamará VisionQuest.

Confira a sinopse do primeiro episódio.

"No primeiro episódio, vemos Agatha Harkness finalmente se libertando do feitiço no qual esteve presa. Ela mal pode esperar para retornar aos seus hábitos maléficos, mas descobre que não tem mais seus poderes. O único caminho adiante para ela é embarcar em uma jornada perigosa para retomar sua magia, com a ajuda de um ou outro amigo inusitado".

Além de Kathryn Hahn voltar como Agatha, o elenco conta com a volta de Debra Jo Rupp como a sra. Hart e Emma Caulfield como Dotti, além de novos nomes como Aubrey Plaza, Kate Forbes, Joe Locke, Patti LuPone e Sasheer Zamata.

Os dois primeiro episódios chegam no Disney+ no dia 18 de setembro.

[dame-morrow]

I am just now learning about a WandaVision Spin-Off called ‘’VisionQuest’‘ and I’m really hoping it is about the Avengers playing D&D with Vision as their Dungeon Master.

If it is not about that, I don’t want it.

[magicqueenmelmedarda]

The answer is late as fuck but well life had other plans. So, we have to debate Sam's team in Doomsday and Sam's team to the future, because that's two things.

First, Sam's team in the next movie. Considering the Doomsday casting announcement it's clear the members will be, at least:

-> Falcon, for sure.

-> Ant Man. Sam called him personally for Civil Wars, so it's clear he will answer to his call again.

-> Shang Chi. He already contacted with Wong, Carol and Bruce, so they already setted the link between him and the Avengers.

-> Shuri. Now she is a Black Panther but not Wakanda's Queen, that role is M'Baku, so she can work in whatever she wants. Likely her (and maybe Scott) will be the one who financially support the team.

-> Thor. He is back for a last Avengers dance for sure.

-> Namor. The last time we saw him he was already theoricing Wakanda would call him for help. Thor had been on and off in the space while still being an Avenger, so he might be in this situation too.

Now we move to potential members they didn't make an announcement of the character.

-> Captain Marvel. She is on earth and already is well aware of the incursions drama

-> Starlord. Also on earth, and he left the Guardians behind.

-> Valkyrie. She showed interest in Thor Love and Thunder to become a warrior again since she wants more to be King.

-> She Hulk. She can be called by Bruce any moment and can join.

-> Wasp. Evangeline Lilly is retired of acting, and there are options in the case she doesn't want to return, from recasting the character to having Janet becoming the Wasp.

-> Okoye. Just like Shuri, she left Wakanda and now is doing her own thing as a Midnight Angel, so she can also accept Sam's call.

Sam has the potential to have in his team 9 members that already saved the world in Endgame, so it's clear the public perception is they are the real Avengers.

Now, if we consider long run aka after Secret Wars we have to quit and add some names.

First, there are theories that a new cosmic team is being formed to continue the Guardians's path. My theory of their main line up will be Carol,Monica, Starlord, Mantis, Adam Warlock and the rumored upcoming character Nova. I can see them adding her the characters from the Eternals they might want to keep, like Druig and Makkari. So that would be 2 characters out of Sam's Avengers.

I didn't add Strange in any point as I think he will be leading Midnight's suns team.

I also think they might have She Hulk for the Defenders, as they already have Daredevil, Echo and The Punisher, and potentially White Tiger and Jessica Jones. So another character out.

The I think a pair of characters are retiring for the MCU. Ant Man have the feeling they might pull a Tony with him and make him one of the victims of this saga (and again the situation is complicated with Wasp) while the rumored Thor 5 feels like a goodbye for the character. But it looks like we Will get Hercules instead.

Then we have 2 proyect that are greenlit which could add two new members : Wonderman is being released this December and Visionquest is considered the third act of Wandavision. So Wonderman and White vision could easily join.

Just as with Annihilators, there is always the potential of an Eternal to join in the future. My bet is on Sersi.

So, if they don't merge both Avengers teams by the end of Secret Wars ( I theorice the New Avengers will embrace their original name Thunderbolts after those) we could potentially have:

Guys who do you think is on Sam's team?

[wednesdaypull]

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[ants-online]

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