#members discourse

[jeonscatalyst]

it’s always been interesting to me the difference between how two major ‘fights’ within BTS are told, or three if you include Koobis banana incident 😆

The dumpling fight, and the rainy day fight TM.

I thought about it since hearing Jimin talking about how it took a while for him and Tae to get closer in AYS, and said they did after that big fight. That he shook with rage at the time. The fight never really made sense to me, the dumpling one, as Jimin said it was over petty things, that they often fought over silly things.

Then you’ve got the rainy day fight, and the way they spoke about it at Festa 2020, and in lives in 2023. Both pretty much recounting it exactly the same as the other. I saw a video edit mash up of it but couldn’t find it, where the stories interwove and it’s amazing to see it. But at Festa dinner, with the others reactions, the giggling from Jin and Joon, that it sounds like a k drama, that it sounds like something a couple would do. And it does, it sounds exactly like a k drama, the dramatic pause when JK is lost, the make up in the rain, the hug. It’s so cute, and so endearing to hear them talk about it. How their relationship is essentially so important to them, they made up that night, unlike the dumpling fight, which lasted.

It shows how they really do have a good way of communicating with each other, even back then. And for JK to feel sorry to Jimin for that, and it’s something they can talk about and look back on with fondness almost, is testament to their bond.

Hey anon,

I think the Vmin fight(s) is relatively easy to piece together and understand if you have a solid understanding of their relationship….something many people unfortunately lack.

Jimin and Taehyung were among the members who got close almost immediately after meeting in my opinion. Looking at content from their rookie days, it’s clear that even the other members often pointed to them as the two who were closest. However, while they were friends and close, their relationship at the time seemed more surface-level. They didn’t fully understand, accept, or relate to each other yet. It reminds me of those teenage friendships where you genuinely like each other and have fun together, but the connection lacks a deeper level of understanding. That’s what I believe Vmin’s relationship was like in the beginning.

When Jimin says it took time for him and Tae to become as close as they are now, it doesn’t mean they weren’t friends or weren’t close before. It simply means that, over time, their bond deepened as they grew to better understand and accept each other despite their differences.

In the BTS book, Tae shared that when he first met Jimin, he struggled to understand him. He couldn’t grasp why Jimin pushed himself so hard, why he seemed so passionate, or why he was impatient about achieving his goals. Tae also described Jimin as intense….traits he found hard to relate to at the time. If you know anything about Tae and Jimin, it’s clear they’re fundamentally different people who approach life in very distinct ways. Add to that the fact that they’re the same age, and it’s easy to see how misunderstandings would arise.

I believe their many petty fights and arguments stemmed from these different approaches to life. The dumpling incident, while often highlighted, was more of a boiling point than the root cause of their conflicts. It forced them to address unresolved tensions and misunderstandings. This is why, after that fight, both admitted they’d gained a deeper understanding of each other, which ultimately strengthened their bond and brought them closer to where they are today. The way this fight is often described says a lot about their dynamic and the depth of their relationship.

On the other hand, Jikook’s “rainy day” story perfectly illustrates the foundation of Jimin and Jungkook’s relationship. Their bond is built on trust, support, and a profound emotional connection. While this wasn’t always apparent during their rookie days, anyone paying close attention could sense the nature of their bond and what it was rooted in.

The other members’ reactions to the rainy day story….rubbing goosebumps away, cringing, or making remarks like “That’s what a couple would do”, reveal how they themselves perceived the story. Even their singing of that angsty romantic taxi driver song adds to this perception. People might try to downplay it, but to me, it’s significant.

This story highlights the depth of Jimin and Jungkook’s emotional connection and how much Jungkook values Jimin’s presence and opinions in his life. It shows how their relationship has always been characterized by healthy communication and an innate ability to reach and support each other. Jungkook feeling bad about it years later underscores just how meaningful that moment was to him.

[hiveswap]

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[azatas]

"we need more complex female characters" you couldn't even handle her

[boycreature12]

who cares if physical nonhumans are delusional? their mental health isnt your responsibility. its also not your responsibility to reality check them without their consent. not to mention the majority of delusional physical nonhumans i see arent negatively impacted by their identity. and if they are? still not your responsibility. leave people alone.

[edit: this post wasnt intended to take away discussion from people who do want to discuss and receive help from beings online about their experiences with delusion and how it negatively impacts them. thats my bad, i was centered on how i feel about my experience as someone who doesnt like that and i failed to consider other experiences. sorry for the miscommunication everyone.]

[regaliasonata]

I really hate the "Female Character getting bashed in order to prop up the M/M pairing" trend so badly in fandoms.

Most of the time it usually ends up boiling down to misogyny against them and really ruins the enjoyment of those ships.

[luckthebard]

I’m sorry but the people in this fandom desperate to cast Liliana as the “mother who tried her best but made some understandable mistakes,” in the face of everything that has actually happened in the story, have absolutely not been watching the same orb as me.

[lacystar]

it wouldn't even matter if he did "shit on you behind your back" when you "never say anything back." the thing it absolutely boils down to is that you knew him when he was a minor and he has come forward saying that because of your influence and power, he felt uncomfortable around you. any POSSIBLE comeback other than an apology ends there. slur or no slur, any other response to that is bad. or, is it just that someone underage you've hurt in the past telling the truth about you only scares you when you know they have the public influence to protect themself?

[dovewingkinnie]

i love shipping my ocs knowing that there’s no fandom attached that can complain about them. inner peace

[burr-ell]

I'm gonna be real, as a Southern white woman: the way some folks in the CR fandom have been talking about Southern white women and the South in general in relation to Imogen (and by extension Liliana) is weird, infantilizing, and distinctly indifferent to the actual voices and lived experiences of nonwhite people. It claims to be critical, but it has more interest in sympathy and pity and making excuses than anyone ever having to face realistic, justified consequences. Your pain is valid, but your white middle class experience—whether you're queer, a woman, neurodivergent, or some combination thereof—is not the central lens through which your favorite stories must be viewed lest the rest of us be misogynist lesbophobes. The fact that the litmus test for who is and isn't a true feminist activist is whether or not you endlessly coo and simper over the feelings of a skinny femme white woman (and have all the "correct" headcanons about her) does not give me confidence that any of you are interested in a perspective remotely different from your own—or indeed, actually doing any of the hard work necessary to help make things materially better for the South in real life.

[quinn-of-aebradore]

Something that really makes me feel insane about Ashton is the way a solid chunk of their arguments have always been that they’re Just A Guy. They’re nobody. They’re nothing. The gods never paid any attention to me, I don’t matter. I’m not special. And sure, with the information that was available early in the campaign, that was a reasonable conclusion for them to have drawn.

But now? When they know the powers that live inside them, powers that never have been combined before and likely never will be again? When several people have all independently pointed out how unprecedented their existence is? That basis for their argument loses all credibility. How many people on Exandria are walking around day to day with a fragment of a titan and a piece of the Luxon inside them? One. Ashton is a singularly unique being. “I’m nobody, I don’t matter,” bitch you’re the main character in a YA novel, calm down.

[jeonscatalyst]

With your posts about who’s is a comfort person and who is not, it had never thinking. I think all 7 of them are close and have a special bond but if I had to say there were any members who fell on the outside a bit it would be RM and Tae. I think that they have so much love in their hearts for the members but they are both such social butterflies. Jhope is too but I see him slightly differently from the other 2. I think both guys have their comfort people in the group but I think they seek comfort and company from other people. I think watching the RPWP doc really confirmed that for me.

Hey anon,

I agree with you and I also think that all the members have comfort people outside the group that they go to. We know they all have different friends and acquaintances whom they spend quality time with too but in the cases of Namjoon and especially Tae, it doesn’t take much to see that they prioritized spending more time with their friends out of the group than the ones within when they got breaks.

This isn’t a bad thing at all especially because I think BTS members don’t see each other as friends. I think they see each other as family/siblings and most of them have that sibling dynamic. You can tell they are close and love each other so much but sometimes they just want to hang with their other friends. It’s the way that sometimes you spend so much time with your siblings that you just kinda want a break from them plus, there is certain things about us that we would rather confide in our friends about than our siblings.

It’s been clear for years that Tae usually preferred spending his spare time with his wooga squad and friends outside of the group as there were a few times they mentioned not seeing him during breaks or holidays. Even during most huge or memorable moments you would most likely see him with his wooga before you see him with the members. They were even the last ones he spent his last day as a civilian with before he enlisted in the military and we see that Namjoon also spends a lot of time with his friends outside of work.

As far as I know, members like Jimin, Hobi and Jungkook are the 3 members who have consistently prioritized hanging out with members outside of work as well as spending quality time with their friends out of work. We know that they have friends out of work whom they hang out with but over the years we have also constantly seen these three especially making sure they make time for themselves and other members. Ofcourse this doesn’t mean the other’s didn’t care to make time much for the members but it was crystal clear that they prioritized hanging out more with people outside the group.

I still remember during seasons greetings 2022 when Tae promised to start trying to spend more time with the members and as far as we know, he kept that promise because we saw him make time for the members in chapter two. Namjoon was working through some stuff but he also made time to spend with Jimin and the other members sometimes.

[simplydm]

Something that pisses me off about Iskall’s video (thank you to those recapping it here) is that he talks of how the hermits did not moderate the reddit closely after the news dropped, unlike with previous issues within the fandom/creators/etc. he wanted to be treated with the same level of respect as before when he just refused to talk to them and “resigned”? What did he think would happen?

[the-final-sif]

This is going to be a bit of an odd tumblr post, that's kind of drama related and also kind of not. Apologies for putting this in the tags too, but given that I'm hoping to inoculate people against misinformation, I do have to stick it here.

To make a long story short, there's a person on tumblr that was recently removed from the Dreblr Discord that Vault and I run. I am intentionally not naming them as I do not want to incite any kind of harassment towards them. If you recognize them from this post, please don't name them or spread their name around. Leave it be.

This person was removed from our discord after having been given warnings about their behavior that they ignored, and after I discovered they'd been behaving in an increasingly toxic manner towards other people in private.

They had a number of people that were formally friends with them in the server, who'd become increasingly uncomfortable with their behavior over time. Their discomfort and attempts to communicate with this person that their behavior wasn't okay went ignored, and eventually, roughly around the same time, several of them grew tired of this person and dropped them as a friend.

Since this went down, the person in question has been obsessively trying to stalk several of the people that made the choice to no longer be friends with them, has been making posts on tumblr clearly vaguing them, and has been threatening to make callout posts about these people. They've been inventing things that didn't happen and trying obsessively to get proof of these things. Including block evading, recruiting people to spy on their behalf, trying to use alts and other people to get messages into our server, etc.

This specific threat is why I'm making this post. They have a habit of either twisting events to vilify other people, and have now begun outright inventing things that didn't happen. Their constant public airing of events and threats to make callout posts, and attempted stalking/ban evading, have made the former friends feel increasingly unsafe and worried.

The purpose of this post is not to debunk anything in specific, it's hopefully to pre-bunk the situation and let people know that there is currently a person that may be looking to stir up drama in the future. It may be directed at me, particularly after this post. It may be directed at the former friends who I will leave unnamed for now. It may also never come. I don't want this person named, I don't want any harassment directed towards them, I don't want people trying to figure out who they are.

What I would like people to do is just be aware that this an active possibility, and should you stumble on a callout post within any of the dreblr/dteamblr/dreamblr communities within the next while, maybe have some critical thinking skills when reading them and be very careful with what you chose to reblog or pass on. It's a good thing to do in general, but particularly when there's active threats around.

[zombiecowboy65]

one thing I do want to say is that I don’t think the possibility of Jeremy not being violent is a bad thing. To me (not saying it’s canon) he doesn’t really seem violent. I kinda take jerejean to be set up the same way as katniss and peeta which essentially just means where Jean’s strength is physical, Jeremy’s is verbal. Every character has their strengths and weaknesses. And That isn’t to say Jeremy is a wimpy little man who can’t do anything. He plays for a D1 sports team and is one of the best strikers in the NCAA. Obviously he is built. And peeta was strong as hell. But not everyone is violent and that’s fine. I wasn’t trying to imply he never got angry, because obviously he gets angry (when Jean jokes about suicide, when Lucas implies he slept with Jean bc he’s gay, when cat tried to pick a fight in public). I was only saying it’s less likely for him to swing. Not that he couldn’t. And I’m certainly not the only person who’s suggested he’s non violent.

[anghraine]

Nothing like attempting basic division to sharpen my hatred of "everyone is mentally disabled in their own way :) don't let labels define you :) :)" anti psych posts

[jeonscatalyst]

https://www.tumblr.com/jeonscatalyst/767963088583573504/who-do-you-think-are-jk-and-jms-comfort-people-in?source=share

I wanted to say Jin, RM and Hobi for JK but then I really properly thought about it and while I think he talks to them in general about life and music and such, I think you're right that for comfort specifically - it's mainly Jimin. Maybe it happens behind the scenes with the others but it isn't supported by anything we've seen on-screen as far as I can remember

This isn't worthy of an ask but it just reminded me of how important it is to separate your head canon from what you actually know about members from their original content. For example I see some armys talking about yoongi being aggressive sometimes and yeah he's verbally savage but there's really no evidence to think he might get physical at all. Or how a few jikookers didn't like jikooks dynamic in are you sure and I think it's because they're too attached to a fictional version of them and ays disturbed that a little

Hey anon, I agree.

I’ve been looking for a way to properly explain why I didn’t mention Jin and Hobi as comfort for Jk and RM for Jimin but I am yet to find the right words.

Some people mentioned them in the previous post and while I understand their points, I probably just have a very different understanding of the comfort we are talking about.

I think all the members are extremely close to each other and all provide some sort of comfort and safety to each other but it’s different you know. I don’t want to mistake having different needs from different people at different times as them being your comfort persons.

When I know how to properly articulate and put my exact thoughts into words, I’ll make another post about it. But I generally agree about Jin, Hobi and RM though.