#messages to liam

[yourbelgianthings]

the gender of ally beardsley’s pcs has never missed! we have a high schooler who only wears tie dye and birks embracing her lesbianism, a trans man who’s the voice of dreams and got his top surgery from a mob doctor, a peppermint boy, a literal german shepherd in a pink suit who uses they/them, their first character after going on t being a cis lesbian who is just a mess in every way, and an old gay man who goes by mother. fucking with gender in every direction and it’s so fun and great every time 🏳️‍⚧️

[raekenrmcf]

thiam as text messages

[noelenegallagher]

happy pride!

[screechingfromthevoid]

Every time Brennan sits at that fucking table he tears a hole into what it means to be human and to have faith and to love and to be in community.

The brass ring were so close. They were family. Family enough to send one of their own out to make sure he got to be a father again. Laerryn blighted the tree of knowledge for her best friend and lover.

Downfall was all about family. And saving family. All of their family. Aiden gave his faithful a meal like no other they've had before. Trust gave a sickly little boy 70 hit points because she could barely his suffering. Asha pouted because her wife wasn't there to be with her.

And now Nia will not leave anyone behind. The Stormlord bestowed life back to ruined land. Crokas took on two children that are not his and carried them on his back. Fiedra, although harsh, still risked so much to pour a little wine for the bleeding boy. Garden's first priority is the children who will inherit this world from them.

I think, in the current state of Exandria, the new age we witnessed the birth of, Brennan is giving us that "what comes next". Divinity is not gone, Lieve'tel still performed her miracle. But I think the lesson from divergence, where the gods left the face of Exandria, is that divinity comes from people, mortals. And it always has. The gods get their power from worship. They'd be nothing without their people. So in the absence of them, then and now, stories will be told of reclaiming and rebuilding. Mortals will understand they are divinity. And that together, their power is as limitless as the gods they said goodbye to.

[sunshine-and-her-ikevil-stuff]

Playing Ikevil

Liam: "Don't force yourself to smile. It may be kind to others, but not yourself."

Playing Ikepri

Clavis: "Paint a smile over your fears and doubts and no body will know what you're feeling. You'll be surprised how much it cheers you up."

Me: "I'm getting mixed messages."

[lipstickon-themirror]

Wonderwall: What made it?

Thoughts and theories

Wonderwall was Liam and Noel's little piece of joy amid a really hostile house. Both Peggy and Liam have mentioned their "wonderwall", a place in Liam and Noel's childhood room (before they moved into the council house, so while Tommy was there) where they could put up posters, write things, use the space as if it was theirs. Later, the wall got wall papered over. But during the worst years of their childhoods, being able to control something and escape to somewhere (in this case a wall) was what saved Noel and Liam.

"I don't believe that anybody feels the way I do about you now" Noel your fear of your feelings and thoughts being different and weird is showing.

That song isn't about a bird, or Meg, its about safety and comfort. It's about Liam being his safety and comfort. It's about Noel needing more than what Liam can give - what anyone can give - and feeling lost (suicidal, even? I'm thinking about how Noel described feeling after the 1994 Whiskey A Go-go gig, which was probably around when he wrote Wonderwall. Those were dark times for him, and just maybe Liam, their childhood, that comfort and safety, just maybe he felt that could save him).

"There are many things that I would like to say to you, but I don't know how" So he puts it into a song for his little brother to sing!

So maybe Wonderwall isn't a love song at all. At least it's not a selfless love. The narrator in Wonderwall is pushing - no, begging - whoever they're speaking about to save them. It's a call for help but it's not one that is emotionally easy on the subject, it's a guilt trip pushing someone to be the narrator's savior. Though Liam is often the one portrayed as emotionally needy, Noel has his less obvious moments. He's just better at hiding it - until it comes out in a song, or in a moment of jealousy fueled tension on stage at Loch Lomond, or in big explosive fights. All that repression comes back in songs praying for help from someone who suffered alongside you.

"By now you should've somehow realized what you've got to do" feels to me like another call for help; you are meant to be my savior, surely you see it too. Save me. But then "By now you should've somehow realized what you're not to do" makes me think it's not about that at all, but it's about something else. Something that he wants to do, or wants the subject to do, or knows the subject has to do. Maybe it's about being a rockstar; you know how to be famous, here are the rules. The cost is sanity though, so please save me now. Maybe its even less than that, maybe its being brothers; you and I know where the boundaries are. Save me because as my brother you are supposed to. After all, you're my wonderwall.

[liloslittlethings]

louis talking about him and liam bonding over being young dads

(via 103.5 KTU)

[genetic-hellhound]

I see you're a fan of Brethiam. What are your favorite things about it and what are your locked in headcannons?

Omg Hiii!!! I can't say much about it because there's a wip I have been working on with @thiamsalpha which I still don't know when is gonna drop cuz we're focusing on Memory Mirage for now buuuut one of my favorite hc of them is their full shifted wolves colors. Theo black, Liam white and Brett a brown/blondish wolf. Also Brett and Liam would annoy tf out of each other and Theo would be the one to make them stop and apologize.

[prettysymbiosis]

And if I said this is Liam's Zayn?

[lochallthedoors]

Noel Versus the Council Skies Tracklist

Context: If you pick just one interview of Noel's to read/listen to from the Council Skies promo run, chances are that interview will feature Noel complaining that he fucked up the tracklist--that he now believes "Think of a Number" should have been first and "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight" should have gone last.

I find his obsession with the album's messaging kind of fascinating in the context of whatever led up to the Oasis reunion, so I thought I'd put together a masterlist of interview excerpts where he explains why he made the choice he did and why he wishes he could go back and get a do-over.

I have thoughts but they're very rambly so they're going in the tags. The focus should be on the transcripts here anyway.

NME Interview Posted 3 June 2023

Noel: "Think of a Number," yeah, it's got a Bowie feel to it. If I had my chance--if I had my time again, I would have had that as the opening track on the album. I've kind of--yeah, that's--that's--I mean, every album that I make, anyway, tends to be flawed in some way, and this is almost perfect, but that's the biggest flaw, is that the opening track, "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight," should be the closing track, and "Think of a Number" should be the opening track. But I didn't think "Think of a Number" was strong enough until it was too late. You know, and, uh, yeah--what a dick. But there you go--I'm allowed to be a dick when it's my own music, so. later in the interview Interviewer: I mean, you talked about how, uh, Council Skies was about you asking "how did we get here, and how did I get here?"--as in you, not me. I know how I got here. Um, did you find any answers? Noel: (pause) No, I think--I think the last line of, um, "Think of a Number," although--although it should be the first track on the album, I think the last line of it is perfect for an ending of an album, which is--is--it's like, "let's drink to the future / I hope it comes round again." Did I find any answers? No, but I will--no, I will find them, though.

Radio X Interview Posted 8 June 2023

On "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight" Noel: The biggest or the most interesting thing, or what I find interesting is I--this should be the closing track on the album because it ends with a lot of hope, you know I mean? "I'm not giving up tonight" and all that. And I, for some reason--the track that closes the album, we'll get to that obviously at the end, but, um, I didn't feel the track that closes the album was strong enough to open a record with. It's a big, epic kind of affair, and I thought that would be a bit obvious. And, uh, I thought "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight" would be a great way to ease into a new record. If I could go back now, I'd--I'd have it closing--closing the record, but it was too late to change my mind. But, um, I do like that song. It's, uh--it's, uh--yeah, it's got a great vibe that's slightly reminiscent of Buffalo Springfield, and, uh, Gem plays a great guitar part on it. And, uh, yeah, I mean, it's--I don't know. Kennedy: Yeah, yeah, no, it's interesting. I mean, it's got the strings on it, it's got the horns on it, and there's a little bit of the gospel choir, and-- Noel: Yeah-- Kennedy: Those are all elements that are through the record. Noel: But I guess the sentiment of it is a song of defiance, you know? "I'm not giving up tonight," and that, you know, obviously writing these things in--in lockdown there was a bit--there was a bit of that in--in a lot of the songs. But, yeah, it's a grand--it kind of sets it up perfectly because it's a--it's a grand kind of opening, but it's a bit laidback as well. On "Think of a Number" Noel: I love the song. Now--and it's me playing the guitar, so it's really epic, and, so, as mad as this sounds, I didn't think that song was strong enough to open a record with. I liked it, right? And I did, and--and something inside of me hung in there with it, and--I don't like closing records on a negative kind of, uh, almost, um, what's the word I'm looking for--uh, pessimistic kind of, um, feel to it. The last line is, you know, "let's drink to the future, I hope it comes around again"--that really should have been the opening track on the album and finished with "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight," you know? That would have been the journey through the lockdown and isolation and all that. But as that song went on, I was like, you know, just didn't feel it was strong enough. I thought it was just a bit standard High Flying Birds rock kind of tune. Obviously, when we finished--when I finished it and mastered it, the penny dropped one night at home, and I was like "Oh, God," you know. And then you do the frantic "Can we change it?" and it was like, "No, we pressed up now. What are you doing?" Um, so it really should have been the opening track, but I love the lyrics on it, and they paint a really pessimistic picture of the future, which is what I was feeling at the time. And, yeah, there's some great--the lyrics are really visual, and, um, yeah, it's--I mean, it's an epic rock tune, and it's--it's got the full production and, yeah, really great.

XS Manchester Drive Posted 9 June 2023

Note: For the clip of Clint calling out Noel's pause, see definitely-rubbish's post here

Noel: Let's do a track called "Think of a Number." Clint: "Think of a Number"--now, this is the--it's the actual last track on the album, innit? Not including the bonus track? Noel: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Clint: When I heard this--and I made some notes--some of the--"Let's drink to the future / I hope it all comes 'round again." It sounds like you reaching out to somebody. Noel: Well, uh-- [Long pause] Clint: That was a brilliant pause! Noel: I could never-- Clint: That pause was amazing. It's gonna sound great on the radio, that! Noel: I could never decide if that track should have been the opening track or the closing track. And if I had my time again, I'd have it as the opening track, because the track that is the opening track, "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight," would end the album on a real--"I'm not giving up tonight"--a kind of sense of hope. But with this song, right up until the death--I never thought it was strong enough to open a record. I thought people would go, "You know, okay, well, I was expecting that from him." And--yeah, I kind of bottled it a little bit and put it as the closing track, which ends on a really bleak note, you know? Uh, but there you go. You know, you live and learn.

SoCal Sound Interview Recorded June 9, 2023

Harcourt: The opening track is "I'm Not Giving Up Tonight," and, I mean, that's full-on. Noel: Mm-hmm. Harcourt: There's bells, there's whistles-- Noel: Oh, yeah. Harcourt: It's--it's the whole thing. Noel: Yeah. Harcourt: Uh, is that at the beginning of the album for a reason? I mean, it sort of seems to set an intention. Noel: Yeah, I should have actually had it as the closing track. I think--I think there would have been a--well, so, the--the closing track is a track called "Think of a Number," and, actually, the entire track listing was set in stone very, very early, apart from these two tracks, and I kept flipping them, just to listen to at home, and I kept flipping them, and I--ludicrously, I actually thought "Think of a Number" wasn't strong enough to open a record, and I thought people would be expecting a big, kind of--and, actually, in hindsight, I should have had that as the opening track, because it would have meant the album would end on a more positive note, whereas it ends on a bit of a bleak note. Harcourt: Mm. Noel: But that's the one change I would make. Um, but, no, it's ["I'm Not Giving Up Tonight"] not there for any specific reason other than I felt like, for this--you know, my albums always open up with something huge, and I thought for this one, maybe something a bit more understated, um. But it's a fucking great song. Harcourt: It is a great song. Noel: Yeah, it's a great song. Harcourt: Yeah. Noel: The way that it--the way that it came out sounding is amazing. Yeah.

[twilight-good-yall-dumb]

not to bring down the vibe but i still cannot believe this is real. still cannot believe this is the first we heard from the band in years, the first time we saw zayn's name alongside the others in years, still cannot believe that this may be the last we hear from them, the last post we might ever see on their instagram account. it's literally been seven months and i still feel my stomach drop every time i remember this image, every time i recall the words each of the boys shared. i cannot believe the world moved on so quickly. i cannot believe that he's gone.

[dreamings-free]

this message from John 🥺

17/10/24

[raekenrmcf]

thiam scenes as text messages. pt1

[savebylou]

Heart of gold is the song that Shawn dedicated to Liam at his show. Thanks to @cherrygarden for the info [📽:cindybts13, 18.10.24, Brooklyn, New York].

Lyrics below. Video of Shawn's speech about Liam here.

Heart of gold lyrics.

Honestly, it's been a while since I thought of you. Yeah, we haven't even talked much I didn't know what you were going through. But sorry that I wasn't there to help with mama at the funeral Why you sitting broad town? Big promise that it's beautiful.

And when we were young, we didn't care, we shuffled the songs, I see you up there.

You have a heart of gold, yeah You have a heart of gold, yeah. You left too soon, I was out of your control until he became skin and bone .You have a heart of gold.

I didn't cry, I didn't even feel the pain, then it hit me all at once When we talked about kissing away

When we were young (When we were young) We didn't care (We didn't care) We shuffled the songs (We shuffled the songs) Oh, I see you up there.

You have a heart of gold, yeah, you have a heart of gold, yeah you left too soon, I was out of your control, until he became skin and bone You have a heart of gold

When we were young, we didn't care Oh, we shuffled the songs, I see you up there You have a heart of gold, yeah, we didn't care Oh, we shuffled the songs, you know I see you up there You have a heart of gold

[dinosaursmate]

Growing old is a privilege not everybody gets.

[onatraingoingnowhere]

kissed publicly on multiple occasions ?? ahahaha twice as a joke ? amazing how you're not able to understand men and Oasis making a fool of gays

Lmao okay I personally have brothers who are very close with each other and would most certainly NOT kiss on the mouth as a way to “make fools of gays” that’s the most interesting explanation I’ve heard yet.

I’m not claiming to know anything more than what is publicly already known, but I am a person with eyes and life experience and the ability to intuit based on those things that those guys have a very different sibling dynamic and relationship than anyone I’ve encountered.

Y’all love to say it’s the drugs, or homophobia or a publicity stunt or any other creative explanation with less supporting evidence instead of thinking that maybe they just love each other and they are weirdos about it.