#michael jackson for ts

[alarrytale]

You saw how big Lizzo got. She was body positive (zeitgeist), original, relatable and funny. She had good songs too. Then the lawsuit came and with it her cancellation, and now she'll never return to her former glory. ///

Don't be too sure. She hasn't released any music since so we don't know how popular she is. Are her fans going to support Lizzo or her dancers?

Chris Brown was convicted of beating up Rihanna, then went to jail for abusing his girlfriend, and he still has a big career.

Jackson's accusers made a documentary just two years ago with new claims of being sexually abused aged 7 and MJ's fans dismissed them and called them liars.

Hi, anon!

Not Lizzo nor Chris Brow* is ever going to be icons/legends (by the definition were using in this discourse).

I've seen the MJ documentary. His fans are sticking by him, but plenty of others are now (in light of other events) questioning his actions. I'm not sure if MJ is going to get posthumous awards in the next 30 years. I don't know how forgiving people will be about him either in the future.

[loganslowdown4]

I am back once again to post my 2 cents on Thomas’ most current playlist:

March’s Covers That Are Better Than The Originals (?)

I loved going through this because it might be one of his most polarizing playlists haha! What songs did you like? 😅

[willowwindss]

I was tame, I was gentle til the circus life made me mean…

[feddy-34]

behold the greatest grammys performance of all time

[spideysatan]

people (especially young people) are allowed to not know who this very famous (to you) person is. just. yeah.

[chriszgetstitchz]

[sometime during off the wall era...]

A young lady finds herself in the back seat of Michael Jackson's dad's car, straddling him in the cowgirl position.

She and Michael were frenemies. A.k.a Michael likes terrorize her and she both loves and hates to see him coming. Michael was the type of kid who terrorizes all the pretty girls at school because he liked them. The young lady never thought that she was one of the pretty girls, but he still terrorized her too. He used to pull on her braids just to get her to yell at him, chase her up and down the playground, chase her up and down the playground WITH worms and bugs and other nasty things, just think of anything that a little boy would do to annoy his crush and Michael probably did it. She hated admitting it to herself, but she kind of liked the attention. She never intended for Michael to know that, but somehow he knew. That's why he never stopped (not that he would've anyway.)

The young lady had went to the Jacksons house for a celebration, but one thing led to another and suddenly she was in the back seat of Joe's car with Michael, making out like the horny teenagers they were, albeit the fact that the two of them couldn't stop laughing and giggling throughout the entire thing.

"That was my first kiss.." the girl said after pulling away.

"Your first kiss is a Jackson 5 member! Wow, 'ts not an achievement that most girls can claim, gorgeous!" Michael responded teasingly.

'Gorgeous' was Michael's favorite nickname for her, but no matter how many times he said it, she still folds for it every single time without fail.

She opened her mouth to say something smart in return, but Michael's lips connected to hers before she could get a word out. She kept trying to speak, but she kept getting cut off by a peck to the lips from Michael.

"You-!" —mwah—

"I d-!" —mwah—

"What the f-!" —mmmmwah—

"Michael!!"

He giggles, a big and toothy smile spread across his face. He kisses her again, though this time it's more passionate, more sincere. Michael's hands roam across her body and vice versa. He's the first to slide his hands under the girl's shirt, earning him a whimper of satisfaction. They continued like that for some time, eventually taking off each other's clothes entirely. Michael held her hips in his hands, then subconsciously started to rub both her waist and her hips softly.

"Y'sure you're ready to do this..?" Michael asked her, looking into her eyes to find any hint of uncertainty or discomfort.

She nods and moves to position herself above his cock, but pauses . "Are you ready?"

"'Course I am!" Michael answers enthusiastically, gently using her hips to guide her over and down onto his cock, moaning pathetically as he feels her tighten around him. The girl winced in pain, a barely audible whimper escaping her lips while Michael immediately let out a soft little "sorry, sorry, sorry gorgeous.." followed by a peck on her temple and a short embrace.

After allowing herself some few seconds to adjust, she put her arms around Michael's neck and began to move slowly. She focused on Michael's body language, sensing that she was doing relatively well by the way he was squeezing his eyes shut every so often and gripping her hips as if they were the only thing keeping him grounded in reality.

She is nervous and shy, as this is her first time having sex. Michael could sense her nervousness, but he was also incredibly turned on by the sight of her topless, her breasts bouncing in his face as she moves. She can't help but be flustered and embarrassed by the knowledge that the Michael Jackson was staring at her chest and she tries to look away, but Michael, being the bastard that he is, decides to tease her. He reaches up and grabs one of her breasts, making her even more flustered. She tries to push his hand away, but he sees right through her act and grabs her other breast instead. The girl can't stop blushing and giggling, feeling both embarrassed and incredibly turned on. She knows that Michael is just teasing her because she's shy, but she can't help but feel self-conscious about her body being on full display. Michael, on the other hand, is completely enamored with her. He loves the way she looks, the way she moves, and the way she reacts to his touch.

As they continue to move together, the girl starts to feel more confident. She leans back, arching her back and pushing her chest forward. Michael can't help but stare, and he reaches up to grab her breast again. This time, she doesn't try to push him away. Instead, she leans into his touch, reveling in the feeling of his hands on her body. As they reach the height of their passion, she can't help but let out a moan of pleasure, and Michael responds in kind. Together they lose themselves in the moment, almost completely forgetting that they could easily be caught at any moment.

After coming down from the intense high, Michael allowed his head to fall back on the seat while his girl lay on top of him, both of them panting and trying to catch their breath.

The girl was feeling a mix of emotions— happiness, excitement, but also a little bit of embarrassment. She couldn't believe she had just lost her virginity to Michael Jackson. Michael, on the other hand, was grinning from ear to ear. He couldn't believe how amazing it had been, and he also couldn't resist messing with her.

"So, how does it feel to be a woman now, gorgeous?" he asked, still panting.

The young woman blushed furiously, but tried to play it off like it was nothing. "What are you talking about?" she asked with painfully obviously forced nonchalance.

"Oh, come on," Michael said, laughing. "You know exactly what I'm talking about! I just took your virginity!"

She groaned loudly and hid her face. Michael laughed at her reaction, finding it quite amusing. "And it was amazing."

Even she couldn't deny the truth in that statement. It had been amazing, and she couldn't help but feel a little bit proud that she had managed to bag the Michael Joseph Jackson.

"But seriously," Michael said, his tone becoming more serious. "Are you okay? I didn't hurt you, did I?"

She shook her head. "No, you didn't hurt me," she said softly. "It was perfect."

Michael leaned in and kissed her gently on the lips. "I'm glad. I was real worried at the beginning y'know.." he said, a genuine and loving smile forming on his face. "You're amazing, you know that, right?"

The girl smirked, chuckled, and looked at Michael, a cocky expression on her face.

"I know."

@2222bad heyyyyy... 😀 this is heavily inspired by your imagine and I heard that there was a demand for more OTW era smut so I came to the rescue (kinda 💀)

this is my very first attempt at writing smut, I know it's terrible, I apologize 💀😭

[goldenlikedayl1ght]

hey gorgeous! just wanted to drop by and compliment you on your amazing writing + elite music taste (seriously, are you me, we listen to the exact same artists). I love love love your matt stuff so much, I've been checking your blog every day for the fics in the dd:ba countdown series. Just wondering what you think he'd be like with a reader who's a model? just very ironic in my opinion even though we all know he can magically detect hot girls. anyway, it could be as spicy or sfw as you want, i just want to know your thoughts!

(ps: if you're winding what song to put with it, let me humbly suggest either mirrorball by ts or young & beautiful by ldr)

oh hi!! i love getting asks they make me giddy, so thanks for reaching out!! im so happy youre enjoying the countdown series and my matthew, since i love love love writing for him. i've never really considered him with a model, but i have now! and were gonna try a new format with this ask. im very sorry if this is inaccurate i know NOTHING about being a model also just a general trigger warning for body issues, insecurity and body dysmorphia!! and a little nsfw at the end

young & beautiful - lana del rey

for years and years, everyone has always noticed how gorgeous you are first-- it's part of the job, you tell yourself, your whole career is your looks.

but that doesn't stop the insecurities from growing, the anxiety from poking you or the body dysmorphia from washing over you.

you also have bad luck with dating. everyone you start to date people cannot see past your career-- if they don't only date you for your looks, theres a 99% chance they'll become overwhelmed with jealousy soon enough.

so when you start dating matt, you take it slow.

but it's immediately different with him; he's blind, not stupid, he knows how beautiful you are (something something gorgeous person, matt murdock finding them, foggy nelson suffering)

it's just that.. matt's first impression of you isn't your looks or your career. instead, he notices the way you laugh, the details you notice, and the way you always, always start humming when you think nobody's paying attention.

it becomes something of a game for matt. when he goes to your shows, he listens closely from the audience when you hum as you get your hair done.

he's noticed you hum everything-- from lullabies to rock songs, from taylor swift to my chemical romance, from folk music to michael jackson. it's one of his favorite things about you.

something else he loves about dating you is how often you get your nails done. he loves running his fingers over the various shapes and textures, and he loves the sensation of your nails scratching his skin.

one time, you even convince him to go with you to get them done. you two chat as matt gets used to the sensations that come with getting a manicure (he hates the sensation of the nail file but enjoys the lotion bit)

and of course, when you get any sort of designer clothes, a semi frequent perk of the job, you let matt run his fingers over the fabric, testing it.

his favorite is when you get jobs modeling lingerie. and sure, there's moments of fleeting jealousy that photos of you in this stuff will be plastered everywhere..

but matt's the only one who gets to fuck you after ripping the lingerie off of you. he's the one you come home to, and he's the one that gets to feel you clenched around him while he kisses you, lingerie still on.

and slowly, your body issues get better-- they don't go away, but the voice in your head telling you you're not good enough slowly becomes drowned out by the other voice telling you that you should invite matt to a photoshoot, maybe he'd like to experience it with you.

maybe he'd like to makeout with you in your dressing room between outfits. maybe he'd like to do more than just makeout.

[jesuisgourde]

A list of all the books mentioned in Peter Doherty's journals (and in some interviews/lyrics, too)

Because I just made this list in answer to someone's question on a facebook group, I thought I may as well post it here.

-The Picture of Dorian Gray/The Ballad Of Reading Gaol/Salome/The Happy Prince/The Duchess of Padua, all by Oscar Wilde -The Thief's Journal/Our Lady Of The Flowers/Miracle Of The Rose, all by Jean Genet -A Diamond Guitar by Truman Capote -Mixed Essays by Matthew Arnold -Venus In Furs by Leopold Sacher-Masoch -The Ministry Of Fear by Graham Greene -Brighton Rock by Graham Green -A Season in Hell by Arthur Rimbaud -The Street Of Crocodiles (aka Cinnamon Shops) by Bruno Schulz -Opium: The Diary Of His Cure by Jean Cocteau -The Lost Weekend by Charles Jackson -Howl by Allen Ginsberg -Women In Love by DH Lawrence -The Tempest by William Shakespeare -Trilby by George du Maurier -The Vision Of Jean Genet by Richard Coe -"Literature And The Crisis" by Isaiah Berlin -Le Cid by Pierre Corneille -The Paris Peasant by Louis Aragon -Junky by William S Burroughs -Absolute Beginners by Colin MacInnes -Futz by Rochelle Owens -They Shoot Horses Don't They? by Horace McCoy -"An Inquiry On Love" by La revolution surrealiste magazine -Idea by Michael Drayton -"The Nymph's Reply to The Shepherd" by Sir Walter Raleigh -Hamlet by William Shakespeare -The Silver Shilling/The Old Church Bell/The Snail And The Rose Tree all by Hans Christian Andersen -120 Days Of Sodom by Marquis de Sade -Letters To A Young Poet by Rainer Maria Rilke -Poetics Of Space by Gaston Bachelard -In Favor Of The Sensitive Man and Other Essays by Anais Nin -La Batarde by Violette LeDuc -Lolita by Vladimir Nabokov -Intimate Journals by Charles Baudelaire -Juno And The Paycock by Sean O'Casey -England Is Mine by Michael Bracewell -"The Prelude" by William Wordsworth -Noise: The Political Economy of Music by Jacques Atalli -"Elm" by Sylvia Plath -"I am pleased with my sight..." by Rumi -She Stoops To Conquer by Oliver Goldsmith -Amphitryon by John Dryden -Oscar Wilde by Richard Ellman -The Song Of The South by James Rennell Rodd -In Her Praise by Robert Graves -"For That He Looked Not Upon Her" by George Gascoigne -"Order And Disorder" by Lucy Hutchinson -Man Crazy by Joyce Carol Oates -A Pictorial History Of Sex In The Movies by Jeremy Pascall and Clyde Jeavons -Anarchy State & Utopia by Robert Nozick -"Limbo" by Samuel Taylor Coleridge -Men In Love: Masculinity and Sexuality in the Eighteenth Century by George Haggerty

[arbitrary line break because tumble hates lists apparently]

-Crime And Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevsky -Innocent When You Dream: the Tom Waits Reader -"Identity Card" by Mahmoud Darwish -Ulysses by James Joyce -The Four Quartets poems by TS Eliot -Julius Caesar by William Shakespeare -A'Rebours/Against The Grain by Joris-Karl Huysmans -Prisoner Of Love by Jean Genet -Down And Out In Paris And London by George Orwell -The Man With The Golden Arm by Nelson Algren -Revolutionary Road by Richard Yates -"Epitaph To A Dog" by Lord Byron -Cocaine Nights by JG Ballard -"Not By Bread Alone" by James Terry White -Anecdotes Of The Late Samuel Johnson by Hester Thrale -"The Owl And The Pussycat" by Edward Lear -"Chevaux de bois" by Paul Verlaine -A Strong Song Tows Us: The Life of Basil Bunting by Richard Burton -Don Quixote by Miguel de Cervantes -The Divine Comedy by Dante Alighieri -The Jungle Book by Rudyard Kipling -The Man Who Would Be King by Rudyard Kipling -Ask The Dust by John Frante -On The Trans-Siberian Railways by Blaise Cendrars -The 39 Steps by John Buchan -The Overcoat by Nikolai Gogol -The Government Inspector by Nikolai Gogol -The Iliad by Homer -Heart Of Darkness by Joseph Conrad -The Volunteer by Shane O'Doherty -Twenty Love Poems and A Song Of Despair by Pablo Neruda -"May Banners" by Arthur Rimbaud -Literary Outlaw: The life and times of William S Burroughs by Ted Morgan -The Penguin Dorothy Parker -Smoke by William Faulkner -Hero And Leander by Christopher Marlowe -My Lady Nicotine by JM Barrie -All I Ever Wrote by Ronnie Barker -The Libertine by Stephen Jeffreys -On Murder Considered As One Of The Fine Arts by Thomas de Quincey -The Void Ratio by Shane Levene and Karolina Urbaniak -The Remains Of The Day by Kazuo Ishiguro -Dead Fingers Talk by William S Burroughs -The England's Dreaming Tapes by Jon Savage -London Underworld by Henry Mayhew

[skepticalarrie]

why do people talk about harry like he's got no control? That’s not a realistic take on his situation. hes on the same level as someone like Taylor Swift. It’s ridiculous to think someone like TS doesn’t have control over her career, even if her image is highly curated.

He made his choice and he is playing both sides, and he’s happy with that. Good for him, I guess. I don’t blame him— in the entertainment industry, you either sell your soul and become one of them or face sabotage, like Louis.

The sooner fans accept that reality, the easier it’ll be to be his fan without needing to make excuses for his behavior

I partially disagree with this take, anon. If anything, the bigger an artist is, the more they are in the hands of their label. This idea completely ignores how the industry actually works.

So many major artists end up tied to insanely abusive contracts with no way out because they’re worth too much, and the label wants full control over their careers. One Direction was (arguably) even bigger than Harry, and look at the awful situation they were in. And it’s not just the.. huge names like Michael Jackson, Prince, and Kesha all faced industry control issues. And let’s not even get started on boybands in general.

The difference with Harry, I think, is that he learned from everything he went through in 1D and started his solo career with that knowledge. Over time he gained influence and bargaining power. I fully believe he has significant creative freedom now and makes his own choices. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t still part of a massive business machine with contracts, obligations, and a carefully curated image.

I don’t think he’s being forced to do or not do anything, but I do believe he’s highly advised, and his choices ultimately come down to whether he wants to keep playing the industry game. That’s where the confusion comes in… he has freedom, but at the same time, he really doesn’t. The bottom line is that he’s not being held captive. And if he were truly stuck in something he didn’t want to be a part of, it’s hard to justify why he’d still be here, actively making choices that keep him in the industry and playing both sides.

[allegras-sunflower]

RIP Ana Clara Benevides. ❤️🧡💛💚💙💜🤎🖤🤍💖

I have read alot of people posts how disappointed they were with the situation.

Like that one Reddit post on swiftlyneutral. I can't post the link. But the title says:

What are your thoughts on what happened at the Eras tour in Brazil? Do you even know about it?

The post is very recent.

And couldn't Taylor Swift do something before the show? Didn't she know the heat? That fans weren't allowed to bring water in it? What would she have risked if she cancelled the show? A fine? She can pay for it. Disappointed fans? Better than dead fans.

I remember watching a youtube video of Michael Jackson when he got his Hollywoodstar and he made an appearance. There was a huge crowd and people were pushing eachother, some got hurt. He left after a short time. One fan voiced his disappointment that he only shown up for like few seconds or minutes and left. But looking back it was good that he left that none of them got seriously injured. He also got parademics at his shows because people were passing out.

Or Madonna who had a concert just recently in front of like 1.6million people. I don't hear anybody dying. ? And for such a large amount of people at one spot. There sure had to be safety measurement taken before the show.

When a fan of Rihanna died. Not at her show. Rihanna paid for the funeral.

Does Taylor Swift really care about her fans? Or does she care more about how her fans view her? And as an artist isn't it her responsibility that her fans are save at her show? Of course she can't stop any inconvience. But extreme heat is literally something she could have known days before!

This whole thing felt like Taylor didn't really care about Ana. She can't be the music industry the biggest superstar in the whole world but be a helpless little girl who is used by her concert promoters and can't even decrease ticket prices.

And Taylor made this parasocial relationship with her fans. So she atleast should have cared more. Or showed that she cared. It seems like she only sees her fans as numbers.

There was another show, in Buenos Aires, right before the show were Ana Clara died, that TS had to cancel too because of a storm. Now, due to the subtropical climate, storms in Buenos Aires can be quite strong and dangerous. The fans, most of them underage girls, stood in line under the electrical storm up until the time the venue doors were supposed to open. Then and only then, TS announced (mind you, half an hour after the city government did) that the show would be rescheduled. So what happened in Río after was not an isolated incident, TS had a bit of a pattern endangering her fans.

Now, I talked extensively about Ana Clara's death in this blog, and I don't wanna repeat myself and become annoying for it. But for those of you who don't know, my family on my dad's side is Brazilian, my own grandmother has been badly hit by the floods going on in the south, my little sister went to the show after Ana Clara's death. That's why TS's mistreatment of Brazilian fans and fans of color in general hurts SO FUCKING MUCH. Because it's fucking personal. I did not only felt heartbroken because of what happened to Ana Clara, it was absolutely devastating. I know it was just a footnote on the international news, but not here. Here we read the declaration of the young nurse that kept on the CPR maneuvers for over an hour because they refused to let Ana Clara die. We read the statement of Ana Clara's family denying TS or her team had reached out to them when the news were starting to say TS was in talks with them. We KNOW TS's team didn't pay for ANYTHING and didn't reach out to them until over a week later. We saw it all go down on real time, my little sister was certain TS would make a moment of silence for Ana Clara only to be let down when she rushed the show so not even the people attending could do one.

So, let this be your confirmation. Taylor Swift does NOT care about her fans. At least not about her fans of color.

Please, never stop talking about Ana Clara Benevides Machado. Never stop sharing her picture. And never forget that, if you're a POC, TS doesn't care about you. Not even if you're a VIP ticket holder, like Ana Clara was.

[limpwristssavelives]

my fav movie edits i have bookmarked on twitter & tiktok

deadpool & wolverine

cowboy deadpool (hey sexy lady - shaggy) [twitter] [tiktok] i need a minute…

poolverine (brown shuga - sir mix-a-lot) [twitter] [tiktok]

comics cablepool (my love mine all mine - mitski) [tiktok] i lost the link on tw so i scoured tt and finally found it!

poolverine (better in stereo - liv and maddie cast) [twitter] [tiktok]

origins poolverine (birds of a feather - billie eilish) [twitter] [tiktok]

comics deadpool & jeff the landshark [twitter]

puss in boots

cash in cash out - pharrell williams, 21 savage & tyler, the creator [twitter] [tiktok]

turn around, look at me - the lettermen [twitter] [tiktok] so good!!

spiderverse

miles (st. chroma - tyler, the creator) [twitter] [tiktok]

miles (like a tattoo - sade) [tiktok] lost it on tw but i think this was the one

miles (take your mask off - tyler, the creator) [twitter]

miles & gwen (united by grief - kendrick lamar) [twitter] [tiktok] !!!!

challengers

tashi (the greatest - billie eilish) [twitter] [tiktok] facts!

obsessed - olivia rodrigo [twitter] [tiktok]

tashi & art (i’m your man - mitski) [twitter] [tiktok]

art/patrick (birds of a feather - billie eilish) [tiktok]

bottoms

birds of a feather - billie eilish [twitter]

girls - the dare [twitter] [tiktok] i love these girls more than anything

nosferatu 2024

ptolemaea - ethel cain [tiktok] YESS “i am no good nor evil simply i am and i have come to take what is mine”

ptolemaea - ethel cain [tiktok] a different part of the song “i followed you in, and i was with you there”

ptolemaea - ethel cain [tiktok] “suffer does the wolf crawling to me”

onanist - ethel cain [tiktok] omfg her full album perverts fits this movie so well

ptolemaea - ethel cain [tiktok] the movies on digital now and the edits are so good!!

society - pathetic [tiktok]

caramelldansen - caramella girls [tiktok] we were all thinking it

misc

nope (alien superstar - beyoncé) [twitter] [tiktok] jean jacket is everything to me

musicals (dancing queen - abba) [twitter]

black musicals (ease on down the road - diana ross & michael jackson) [twitter]

lady oscar (femme fatale - the velvet underground) [twitter]

farewell my concubine (working for the knife - mitski) [twitter]

the substance (sympathy is a knife - charli xcx & ariana grande) [twitter] [tiktok] honestly people should get paid for these

glass onion (the ballad of mona lisa - panic! at the disco) [twitter] holy shit perfect use of the song!!

barry lyndon (a lot - 21 savage) [twitter]

the hunger games (me & my dog - boygenius) [twitter]

pearl (piano man - billy joel) [twitter] [tiktok]

the ballad of songbirds & snakes (the smallest man who ever lived - taylor swift) [twitter] [tiktok] i’m no ts fan but she ate with this song it’s so heartbreaking

us 2019 (who are you, really? - mikky ekko) [twitter]

x-men - cherik (under pressure - queen & david bowie) [twitter] [tiktok]

venom (hey lover! - wabie) [twitter] they’re so in love

interview with the vampire 1994 - armand/louis (phantom of the opera) [tiktok]

night at the museum - octavius/jebadiah (iris - the goo goo dolls) [tiktok]

zoolander (ГЛАМУР feat. wipo - uniqe, nkeeei & artem shilovets) [tiktok] monumental hansel and derek slay

jennifer’s body (watermelon - john + jane q. public) [tiktok]

paranorman (ptolemaea - ethel cain) [tiktok] oh i felt this one in my soul

dividers by @sister-lucifer, @spider-the-bat and @kodaswrld

[alarrytale]

What i meant when i said that history won't treat him kindly is that i think in the near or far future, PR relationships will be a tried and tired method of promotion. It's so overdone and some go overboard. At some point the you can’t fool the gp with fake relationships anymore. ///

I don't think the public cares as long as the music is exceptional. MJ had PR marriages and kids who obviously weren't his own but he said they were, like Paris Jackson. He had more PR relationships than anyone else in the industry, plus he had pedophile rumors, and he is still revered as an icon.

It isn't enough to be record breaking or be talented, you need to have worldwide notoriety, be a trailblaizer, be on the right side of history, and generelly be revered by everyone.///

I don't think this is true. Michael Jackson is loathed by millions of people who think he was a pedophile.

Hi, anons!

I still don't think you're understanding what i'm trying to say. You are using examples of an icon who became an icon years ago. The criteria of becoming an icon has changed since then and will change in the future. What it means to be a celebrity has changed, and people's tolerance for mistakes and lies are different.

We are living in a post-"me too" world, in the social media era, in a cancel culture, in a world where everyone can become an icon, talented or not. We're in the middle of an Epstein revelation where huge stars and icons are being implicated in crimes and seedy stuff. If Michael were reigning the charts now, but then did the things he did back then now, he'd be cancelled and never would have become an icon, no matter how good and popular his music were. You saw how big Lizzo got. She was body positive (zeitgeist), original, relatable and funny. She had good songs too. Then the lawsuit came and with it her cancellation, and now she'll never return to her former glory.

Icons are judged by both their conteporaries and the future cultural and societal standards. You can be an icon of your time, but be judged and cancelled in the future. I do think part of why Michael is still an icon in some people's eyes is because his music stood the test of time. In addition he was himself a victim of abuse in several ways. With him it's complicated. There is also not a guarantee that the next generation will view him as an icon still. Information may come to light to change that. No one would think the icon Stephen Hawking would be problematic. Alas, here we are.

I think the icons of today and tomorrow needs to be relatively unproblematic to be universally revered. People are only given one chance, because there is always someone next in line to supersede you if you stumble. If you are talented enough, popular enough, alone in doing your specific thing, and you're generally unproblematic, you can probably survive a minor scandal or two (tax evasion kind of things). You can’t dangle a baby out of the window of a four story building. Then you're out.

[michaelsfavgirl]

hmmmm I was thinking it could be the Jackson 5 era where y/n has a famous sibling that drags her along to meet them for a possible collab because y/n also sings but has never had the motivation to actually do it, anyway fast forward to meeting the Jackson 5. The rest of the brothers were nice but it was just Michael that had only snarky remarks, however y/n claps back and that’s how it starts spiralling down into this competition of humiliation/pranks . blah blah blah BUT IM STILL THINKING OF HOW THEY BECOME LOVERS maybe add a bit of angst and sad backstory to y/n as well and maybe one day he finds y/n crying and he starts to soften up slowly and then YK It sounds so much better in my head sorry if I wrote ts badly

Little mike was so petty (affectionate) honestly how could anyone be enemies with that cutie patootie? 😤

[notyouraryang0dd3ss]

Having a #1 Song doesn't mean SHIT anymore! It doesn't mean the song is a hit.

Let's be so serious rn. Nobody knows any of her damn fault track that keep charting. I asked my mom to name one song of hers and she could name "Shake it off."

Smooth Criminal went #7 in the US.

Remember the Time went #3 in the US.

Heal the World went #27 in the US.

They don't care about us #30 in the US. But it still went viral on tiktok. A song that is almost 30 years old!!

Thriller the song also never went to number one, but ask people to name one Halloween song they gonna name that song.

And what is more impressive, having 1M EAS the first day or still selling 1M EAS 15 years after your passed and more than 20 years after you dropped an album. Longevity is quality. 1M first day sales she's gonna sell that much for years. Hell, she be lucky if she even sold 50k in a year in 30 years.

5 music videos of his that are made in the 80's and 90's are about to have 1 billion views this year.

Billie Jean still gets 1M daily streams on Spotify.

I'm sorry if you aren't an Mjfan and I bring him up but he's the best example I can give you also because Swifties keep comparing her to him.

If people don't like the song they won't keep listening to it. And if Taylors song just stay in her fanbase and they just massstream her shit. Nobody is gonna know this song in 20 years.

Because what is the last hit Taylor Swift had that was known to the general public? Anti Hero maybe? Cruel Summer?

And something that is also funny is that, Remember when her drunk self got on stage and snatched the grammy from Celine Dion and didn't even look at her.

And people were pissed and her team was quick on working getting a picture with her to mend the damage.

Celine Dion has 5 Grammys and Taylor Swift has 14.

But they knew that Celine Dion got more respect from the GP then Taylor will ever have. And that is something you cannot buy. And they know if someone wins out of pure talent or just because of favourism. And let's be real. Most people know these award shows are rigged and they don't care about it.

Like when RollingStone came out with that fuck ass best singers list that put Taylor at #102 and excluded Celine Dion. People were mad that Celine was included but Taylor was.

Or just recently they also called her the better Adele. Nobody from the GP was like oh yeah that is true.

I mean they can try to name her the Queen of Pop in one of the award shows alà Michael Jackson style, but it's not gonna work with her. When he got that name people actually agreed and they still do. Outside Taylors cult nobody will agree with that.

Taylor's Team is aggressive with the Marketing and pushing these numbers onto us because they know outside of it she has nothing to offer. Her talent isn't marketable. Her singing and dancing isn't that impressive. The most marketable things about her career are her wealth and business success. Have they ever talked about her performance while she is on tour. What is so impressive what she does on stage? No they just keep talking about the money she makes.

No I completely get why MJ is a relevant comparison here. Swifties do keep comparing TS to him and for that alone they need to collectively get their asses beat. But you used good examples and I just want to applaud you for that

& you’re right, I can’t name a single vault track. Every time I’m exposed to her its against my will through my recommended (and its usually so out of place too because i watch really weird video essays).

Charts truly don’t reflect cultural impact because Drunk in Love by Beyoncé never went #1 and neither did Toxic by Britney Spears but both are super well known. Anti Hero is probably the last single to go #1 but I genuinely felt harassed by that song 😭 its sooooooooo bad

Yes! The vocal trinity—Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, and Whitney Houston—have done SO MUCH for music and all have less than half of Taylor Swift’s amount of Grammys. Celine and Mariah each have 5 and Whitney has 6.

I didn’t watch the Grammys this year (forgot to) but I heard about the Celine Dion incident I was SHOCKED because the audacity of this woman! Her entitlement shows in everything she does and she’s really starting to believe her commercial success makes her a better artist.

THE ROLLING STONE LIST WAS BULLSHIT. THEY DIDN’T INCLUDE JENNIFER HUDSON EITHER! Their definition of a “singer” was soooooooo bullshit too like that magazine’s merit has gone down so much in the past 20 years it should be regarded with way less status and credibility. And who tf called TS better than ADELE?

You’re right, her moniker will be chosen by the general public (probably from a viral tweet/tiktok/etc).

And she needs aggressive marketing because she really is a below average musician in all respects! She has her songwriting but she should’ve just been a hit songwriter (like Estelle Dean) not a singer. What makes her marketable is very “ordinary” image—which makes her relatable to “every girl, like me and you” 🙄 her soft voice really creates an intimate atmosphere especially with her vulnerable (but superficial) lyrics. She has to be friends with her fans for her success to work. Because there is no way you can justify her being regarded as a “god” the way people do with Beyoncé and MJ otherwise.

🎯 with the Eras Tour coverage. No one ever references or cites a particular jaw dropping vocal performance or dance number. It’s always the amount of wealth she’s generating.

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I saw some of you anti Ts posts they are funny and I need to Rant. sorry.

I am so FUCKING sick and TIRED of being relatable being cool! Fuck! If I wanna listen to someone they need to sound good! Way better than ME! Why is being average so overhyped! Bring back actual talent! Bring back people who can sing! Really sing. I want to be awestruck. I want to me in mesmerized. For fuckss sake Taylor Swift is only that popular because she is average and these swifties identify with her.

And fucking hell I AM SO TIRED of this bitch! I am so tired that they act like only her achievements count and as if achievements of other artists don't fucking count!

The Weeknd has a song with 4Billion streams on Spotify.

Drake has one song with 3 Billion and one with 2 Billion

Post Malone has one with 3 Billion and two with 2 Billion

Dua Lipa has four with 2 Billion

Justin Bieber has 3 with 2 Billion and 1 with 3 Billion

Coldplay has 3 with 2 Billion

Bruno Mars has 3 songs with 2 Billion

Ed Sheeran has 3 songs with 2 Billion and 1 song with 3 Billion

Taylor fucking Swift just recently as one song with 2 Billion streams! ONE! if she is so big? Why doesn't she have more? I can answer you this. Because her stupid fans only care about first week streams. They care about getting her on the chart. That is what spotify and billboard pushes. These morons will mass play her music all night so it get streams. It's so embarrassing.

If she didn't release shit constantly and her stans weren't some pathetic losers wanting her to chart so she just charts there is no WAY in fucking hell she could compete with todays artists.

Fucking hell and they compare her to Michael Jackson! Taylor Swift does not have the LONGEVITY. SHE DOES NOT. Not Mariah Careys, Britney Spears, Elton John or the Beatles. There's more but here's a few.

Michael Jackson had a top ten hit in 5 DIFFERENT DECADES. ( 6 if you count the Jackson 5) And probably will have another one after the biopic comes out!

If Taylor Swift would do this she would have to be able to have a TOP TEN HIT in 2030 and 2040. There is no way she would be doing this.

Mariah Carey in 4 DECADES SINCE THE 90'S!

Britney Spears the same as Mariah!

Elton John in four from the 70's- 20's missing the 00's and 10's.

The Beatles in the 60's 70's 90's and 20's.

Like i hate it so much how much this woman is pushed! And swifties gon act like as if she is the only artist being this succesful! SHE IS NOT! It's more impressive that Rihanna still gets high streams beside not releasing anything for YEARS! BTCH i wanna see Taylor Swift not releasing anything for 7 Years and see where she's at. Let's find out. But this woman is to coward to ever do that. She is so damn desperate for validation it's embarrassing.

HOW THE FUCK IS SHE NOT EMBARRASSED WINNING ALL THESE AWARDS OVER PEOPLE WHO ARE 10 TIMES MORE TALENTED THAN HER?!

This btch is absolutely not humble because i would be embarrassed. Literally. It's like how can you shit as tour gain so much money when you know you can't dance and are a mid singer.

And these faces of acting shocked when she wins an award! With that open mouth and GOD! Yes we get it you won again "suprisingly."

How the fuck does she have more AOTYs than any other fucking artist ever? How the fuck does this mediocre ass woman have more than Janet, Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse, Whitney Houston, Mariah Carey, Stevie Wonder.

And don't let me start on her victim card that she has used has her brand since fucking Kanye West had to go up on stage and embarrass her. He literally started this whole shit. You can never criticise her for anything. Because if you do you are a misogynist who just hates succesful women. She's always the fuckin victim and swifties romanticize it so much! They want her to be this struggling underdog who rose to fame cause that is what fits their damn wattpad story!

Taylor Swift wants to be the Man. She wouldn't be as succeaful if she was a man. Point blank period. Her shield to protect her self from any criticism wouldn't work. The only thing she has to be oppressed about is being a woman thats why her and swifties milk it so fuccking hard!!!

Thanks, and it’s ok. This whole blog is just a bunch of rants anyways.

But everything you said was true. I didn’t know she of all people have more aoty awards than those you mentioned. This just proves that the Grammys are a joke.

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Thinking about JK and seven's success in the context of Taylor's recent streams bomb is fascinating. Yes her numbers are crazy but let's think about it - everyone on social media is talking about her and the album and they have been for weeks. I was listening to a political podcast and they signed off with the guy saying he's going to listen to the album ahead of time to make sure it's ok for his 5 year old daughter to listen to. She's literally a household name - even in households like mine where my parents do not keep up with with western artists. Yeah a lot of her numbers are stacked because of versions and payola and every platform pushing the hell out of her BUT STILL - there's something behind that push. People are tuned in! Everyone who's tuned into the cultural zeitgeist knew TTPD was coming. Same with Olivia Rodrigo - yes she has an aura of industry plantness - getting pushed right out of the gate and becoming a darling of critics everywhere for your debut album doesn't just happen. But again, her albums are GOOD. The songs are well written and she was clearly deeply involved in every step of the way. Everyone knows driving license and the story behind it. Payola as a concept is annoying especially when so many deserving artists get ignored because they don't have it but it's undeniable that after artists like TS and OR get all this payola, their songs become the moment. Everyone's buzzing about them and listening to their albums.

What is seven? It's numbers are at TS and OR levels right? If you think about it seven debuted with more streams than djo's end of the beginning did and it's charted higher for longer. But which song launched who as a solo artist to the GP that Hybe desperately wants? A song with numbers at that level but what is the ground level reality of its popularity? The most telling thing is that after that completely insane debut seven had, if it was really such a great song that everyone incl the GP had tuned in for, those people should've at least checked golden out. That is the point. That was scooters strategy. Have seven become the next baby or driving license and capture the GP interest so it sustains for the rest of his debut.

The point is that people will compare his numbers to other kpop acts but he didn't get a kpop debut. He got the kind of debut and platform push TS and OR get. So his numbers are good at a kpop level but did it achieve the objective? I have to imagine the objective was that JK became the next JB or the next OR or....as Hybe keeps trying to do, it was for him to become the next BTS. No, Hybe can keep trying to push a particular narrative because JK is their sunk cost fallacy, but inspite of goldens streams and sales eclipsing others, his debut was not successful.

It is irony because people can and will bring up his numbers in relation to Jimin or Tae or lesserafim or whoever and act like JK is doing amazing but I'm telling you now that the reason JK's debut makes me so angry is because if Jimin had had that world cup stage for a solo debut, that humongous deal wouldn't have just been a footnote of cool places BTS have performed at. It would have been a noteworthy performance. We have ten years of his solo stage to prove that. It's this wasted potential that gets me so heated up about JK because of all the opportunities he got. Compare the payola put in versus results gotten and the mediocrity is staggering considering what I mentioned other artists have achieved with that payola level in my first paragraph. The only reason I think about JK is because of this - it drives me mad.

Sorry this got...long and ranty 😭

i must've said this last year already but yes, he had a bigger debut and numbers (after debut) compared to other kpop or korean acts, but he was really nowhere people like Taylor or Harry, to whom everyone compared him to. Let's not even talk about Michael Jackson and how hard they tried that he'd be namedropped alongside Jungkook.

The most important difference to me is that people RESPECT Taylor. They respect Harry, and they respect Michael even so many years after his death. Soloist Jungkook doesn't have that respect. BTS might've gotten really close to have it, but not them as soloists. Part of it might be because he's korean, sure; but more than anything, he doesn't have people's respect because he has not earned it. Period. He hasn't done anything that would gain him people's respect or admiration.

Taylor had a moment where she lost people's respect too - she went completely MIA, didn't show her face in public for years, she was the laugh of the town. Granted, a lot of it was pushed by this insane, psychopathic hate culture and spurred on by Kanye West and Kim Kardashian simply because they're people who just like to get involved in shit. Taylor's never really had a scandal (she's actually a really sweet girl and so incredibly smart too), but because they -the Kardashians/Wests- thought it was fun to hate on her, they did it and everyone jumped on the bandwagon because if there's something people on the internet lack, that's a personality of their own.

Now she's regained all the success and people's affection she had before that, and ten thousands times more. The haters moved on, found jobs probably, Kim Kardashian isn't even that "big" anymore, nobody talks about her and Kanye is an unmedicated man roaming around with seemingly no direction whatsoever. Taylor came out of that being in a great space in her personal life, had spent a couple of years inside her home with someone who loved her, wrote and release lover and everyone flocked to it.

Then came folklore and evermore, which were the albums that really did it for her; those albums are crazy good and so different from everything else everybody was putting out that moment. Many people who'd previously thought she was too bubblegum pop, or that her songs were silly, changed their mind, started taking her seriously as a writer/singer and became fans after listening to folklore and evermore; and those people stayed. Those people are still listening to her music. This isn't something I see on the internet, but I went to her concert last November and everyone I talked to had become a fan in 2019 or after.

But she also knows how fickle it all is, and she's talked about it. Is she wrong for wanting to protect what she's worked all her life to build?

She's a business woman, it's true. And many "stans" on the internet hate that, for some reason that I really don't understand. Because taking the reins in their own careers is the only way people are able to survive in music, literally. I don't remember where she said it, but it was Beyonce precisely who said once that she didn't have a seat at the table, so instead she built her own table. That's Taylor, too. Not because Taylor was underprivileged or anything, and but in the business sense. These women don't become billionaires because they "only do music", there's millions of people out there, doing music on the streets. They become billionaires because they're doing business too.

Most people don't want others to be successful, or at the very least they aren't really hoping and praying you'll do well. Mostly they just don't care. And I've said this a lot of times in relation to BTS too - that all the members were looking out for themselves and their own solo careers and that was it. I've said before that Jimin is not a business man, and I don't expect him to ever be one, but I also wish for him to have at least one person standing by him and his decisions. It'd be great to believe doing arts today is all glitter and parties, but it's a business as much as being a wall street guy is.

Maybe it's so overwhelming to me because I've been a Taylor fan since 2008 right before fearless came out, but people really don't get how unprecedented her career is. I was 13 in 2008, the year my sister was born. Now, it's 2024 my sister is 16 and she's a Taylor fan. Without me even intervening, mind you, because we don't live together. We went to the concert because she wanted to go.

How many people can you say they had a career in music 20 years ago and not only are they still at it, but they're getting bigger with each passing year? Because I honestly couldn't name you one single person apart from Taylor.

Maybe I could say BTS if they were active right now, but that it's yet to be seen because the fandom did go downhill after butter. PTD wasn't as successful as butter or dynamite were, and let me not even mention the group songs that came after because that was embarrassing for them.

Also, another point but men rarely -if ever- bring anything new to the table. Armys, especially those who like Jungkook or Yoongi, are the epitome of hypocrisy because what has Jungkook done that's spectacular? Be shirtless? Please.

His songs were mid, the singing was mid, the dancing was below mid. They really are in no position to speak and shouldn't be taken seriously. And this takes me back to the respect thing and how he really didn't do anything to gain it.

For some reason I'm also thinking of Lana del Rey who was literally BEGGING people to listen to her album, and even said that she'd hoped her album would go viral and not that photo of her working in some fast food place. You have loser gays on twitter going lana this lana that, but they don't really respect her either.

This is something I've said before, too; but time really is the only proof of how "impactful" an artist is. Olivia's had a great run so far, but will people remember her or talk about her 10 years down the line? Is she still gonna be relevant? Is BTS still gonna be revelant? Is Jungkook gonna be relevant? Great debuts are great and all, but in the end it doesn't make an artist, as well as a bad debut doesn't break one either. I've also said this about Jimin before; that if he still wants to have a solo career after military, the only way to go should be up. This Taylor type of career where you get bigger with each release is literally everyone's dream and it actually proves that whatever you've been doing until that moment has worked and people can't get enough of you.