#qsmp theory

[em578]

Hey so uhhhhh I'm rewatching lore while my friend catches up and they didn't know phils hardcore lore, so we're watching the montages, and you ever notice something that never crossed your mind before

In order: phil's in progress clip of flowerfall from his youtube montage, the official flowerfall photo album he has on twitter, the dice room, the maze room, and finally the minecraft end that phil was trying to copy with his pillars

Hey mr enderking how long have you been hanging around?

[valictini]

Kind of amazed that we got 100% confirmation that yes, a cc disconnecting (or at least, being forcibly disconnected) indeed leaves their sleeping body on the spot.

I mean, for the longest time, the only concrete example for this were the egg beds, and the fact that some people rped about them 'dragging' someone else's body around because they couldn't participate in an important story beat... but overall there was a bit of a doubt about wether or not they just pop out of existence, canonically.

And the fact that we SAW the characters' physical bodies ON THE FLOOR, and the fact that the Federation HAS control over this, preventing people from waking up... it's a big deal to me

It reminds me of the convo Pomme had about how on the day Etoiles fought the code impersonating her, she was asleep, she KNEW she was asleep and she wanted to wake up, but couldn't... and how it freaked her out.

Feels like there's something there...

[dnalt-d2]

So we all know Pomme and Richas disappeared before the testing started, and I remember seeing someone say that they went to Purgatory for the rescue without Phil

But I raise you one better

They went to GET Phil

They are currently dragging his unconscious ass to a boat and leaving as we speak

He's gonna wake up and it'll basically be like

It would be SO fuckin funny

[yb-cringe]

stop everything. what if those trucks were full of water. what if everyone was going to be iced. remember how when the second batch of english/spanish speakers came in they all had been arrested for some reason? but we never figured out why?

and we know walter bob was a worker who was sent to prison because they don’t know how else to house people they can’t find a place for. and they sent the residents to the prison just because the island was getting dangerous for them.

what if inmate crucifixion was going to be them getting iced like tubbo rivers niki mouse pol- all of that batch? until they could find another place to put them? and the others are previous residents that had their island get corrupted/ruined and had to be imprisoned and iced?

[kadextra]

We got the names of more Federation departments to add to the list!! 🎉 here’s all of the ones we know now:

Census Bureau

Design Bureau

Genetics Department

Department of Convivial Condition Observation

Department of Subsistence Monitoring

Department of Permanence Surveillance

Department of System Analysis

now I’m gonna try and break down the new egg ones

“convivial condition” basically means “happiness condition.” remember how with the original eggs at the beginning it was meant to be a test for the parents, where the happiest egg by the end would win them a prize? its changed since then, but the federation has continued to observe the eggs’ happiness levels (like with the cookies) and also use them to observe the happiness of the islanders/keep them in check

“subsistence” means to survive by one’s own support. considering how pomme and tallulah were just left in the wall alone for who knows how long struggling to survive, this makes sense. probably to see how an egg left in a condition like that would develop- this does imply the hope egg, who was also left alone to survive, is the deceased member of that group. and yes these eggs are also probably used to take note of islander ability too

“permanence” is the state of being stable and long-lasting. em sunny and pepito were stuck on hellish purgatory island and lived. their conditions are being monitored as a result, and they are currently being used to “stabilize” all the traumatized parents (especially the ones who had lost an egg before)

system analysis is pretty self-explanatory. analyzing the system of the experiment/island processes, for further development. it’s different from observation, monitoring, and surveillance. though I’m not sure what that means for richas and the unknown egg or why they’re glitching, it’s worrying

[thesmpisonfire]

Wait. Wait FUCK.

The egg videos only had Dapper, Chayanne and Richas. The ONLY team that has parents from each these eggs is blue team

Bad, Missa and Pac

And not only that, besides Pierre, they are the ONLY egg parents in that team. Everyone else's egg either died (Mariana and Luzu) or just didn't had eggs

Guys. Guys I think there IS a cursed team

And its not the one everyone thing it is. Red team is LITERALLY a red herring

Oh... fuck.

Edit: GUYS I FORGOT PIERRE. PIERRE IS HERE TOO. THEORY SLIGHTLY SHAKY BUT IT STILL WORKS

[anonymous-dentist]

A Very Long qRoier Theory

Okay so here's what I actually think, and TRUST THE PROCESS OKAY:

I think that Roier really was kidnapped by the Federation, but I don't think that he was taken because he was looking for Cellbit strictly because the Feds themselves are actually more or less actively searching for the missing islanders and hoping for their return so they can continue the murder investigation. Despite the terrible things going on, the Feds legitimately want all their islanders/lab rats back on the island so they can continue with whatever experiment they're holding. Every time Cucurucho has held a meeting recently, it's asked about the status of the missing islanders, so it really wouldn't make sense for it or the Feds as a whole to punish their one single lead in the case when every actual Federation agent assigned to the case has either come up with nothing or disappeared entirely.

Nah, I think Roier was taken because he was vulnerable and because the Feds figured nobody would've missed him. They know that he isn't really super close with anybody on the island but Cellbit, and they know that he's been actively pushing people away for a while now- basically since Bobby's death, and moreso since his return from Purgatory.

Looking at the QSMP channel's streams, particularly Elena's, we know that the Feds seem to be a pharmaceutical company. They, simply speaking, make drugs. Look at the "happy pills" that Elena helped create, this is what the Feds do.

Roier mentioned that he was drugged. He never said that they stopped drugging him. I think he's still being drugged and that he isn't a rat- not a literal one, anyway.

I think that Roier is still under the effects of the drugs he's being given because he is currently a test subject. He's a lab rat.... at the moment, anyway.

More on that later.

Do I have any evidence for this? Not really, but also some things just didn't add up cinematically. Like, okay, go back and watch everything from after when Roier 'wakes up' in the dungeon:

Everything's got this weird otherworldly fuzziness and glow to it. It's almost dreamlike in a way. Only the focus of the world is, well, in focus. The rest is blurred like a bad 3D movie:

There are all these weird cuts and jumps, too, like 11:16 when we suddenly cut to black for a few moments as Roier goes down the hallway, or 12:13 when we smash cut to the rat and 12:16 when we cut to Cucurucho. It's super sudden and jarring and it sets up a real nice feeling of unease (shoutout to ccRoier, this is SPECTACULAR)

And the music, okay, the background music is exactly the kind of shit you'd hear in a 'Dreamcore Music Video' on YouTube. It's super Backrooms, super weird esoteric vibes, and that's very on purpose.

None of this is real, and "Doied" is the final proof because like. He isn't real lol, if he's real then so is Roger, and the only times either of them front are when Roier's goofing around or when he's extremely homicidal (we saw Roger pretty recently, actually, back in October when he said that Cellbit killing everyone might be a good thing, actually.) Doied isn't like Abueloier or Melissa, he's one of Roier's 'alters', and he's a bit of a freak lol

I think about everyone can agree that this whole 'Ratoier' thing is a hallucination, but then we have to think, huh, what the hell does any of this mean?

First, we gotta follow the whole 'Roier is Currently Super Drugged' thing, because he is. He literally is. If he's not, well, laugh at me when the next tape comes out.

Roier is drugged by the Feds right now probably to test a new drug, possibly a drug meant to- just like the Happy Pills- make people happy again. In this case, however, I think that the pills may actually have something to do with memories, particularly the same memory retrieval stuff the Resistance did to Bagi. Because, well.

I want to go back to the rat, and I want to go back to Doied, because this stream actually implied a LOT about qRoier's character.

The thing about Doied is that he's the manifestation of Roier's "Um, actually!" Nerd Emoji self. He's a nerd. He's a loser with glasses and a nasty attitude.

Doied, in the dream, is a scientist. Doied, in the dream, performed horrible, inhumane experiments for the Federation. He put Roier's brain into a rat's, a lab rat's.

Once a long, long time ago in August, Roier quietly came to the realization that maybe he has a past history with the Federation and that's why Osito Bimbo has always been so weird about him- it basically had a crush on him for the first week or so of the island, and it still seems to, and he is still the only one outside of Foolish the Federation Employee to be addressed directly by his train ticket number: 0037. He brought up the possibility of being a Federation worker in the past to Cellbit, who brushed it off and said that he wouldn't care because he's a worker, too, technically, but what if it isn't a possibility?

We've always wondered how Federation workers end up the way they do. Why are they all the exact same type of bear? Why does only Cucurucho get to have a face and a voice? Why do they all have human minds and emotions? Why are they all dedicated to the Federation?

Easy. Because maybe they were people before, just like how Bagi and several other islanders think they are. But maybe someone put their brains inside of an animal's body- or, at least, inside of a worker's body, God only knows if they were actual polar bears at some point. Somebody had to help come up with that technology, and maybe it's the guy who managed to build an entire computer and radio-satellite setup over the span of about a week in his goddamn backyard without anybody knowing about it.

Roier has always had some weird connection with the Federation. He's the only civilian islander to ever be addressed by his ticket number, and later we find out that Foolish's ticket number- 0039- is his Federation Employee ID Number- W0039. He was Osito Bimbo's favorite for the first week on the island to the point of Osito just giving him whatever he wanted. He and Jaiden were paired up for the Egg Event (something that was intentional, btw, admin confirmed), and it's later revealed that Jaiden has a past with the Federation regarding the SMILE Units (aka Osito Bimbo and Cucurucho and the new guys.) The "Gods" (aka the admins) will happily follow him around and revive him when he's alone and strike him with lightning when asked and give him dirt and whatever. He managed to get someone onto the island from off of the island, Abueloier, and Abueloier was saved from the brink of death by the Federation in the Federation's hospital. His literal pet dog is a Federation employee. He got to name Jorgito the IV Drip.

Doied put someone's brain into the body of a rat, and Doied is Roier's nerd self.

I think that Roier may, in fact, have a past history with the Federation, and that it isn't because his grandfather worked/works for them. Maybe Roier did, just like he suspected months ago, and maybe he did some really bad things. But they were excused at the time because the people being converted into workers were bad people who made mistakes. Roier made the mistake of breaking the rules trying to connect with Cellbit, and so he got turned into a rat. There's been a functional prison on the island for long enough for it to be partially abandoned (see: Tazercraft Prison Stream.) Walter Bob was held there, possibly because he was part of the Resistance, or possibly because he wasn't done cooking yet.

Roier has always been a man of justice. When people do bad things, they get punished, and then things can go back to normal. He ruined Quackity's life. He wanted Slime to be properly punished for killing Tilin and he threatened to murder him when he tried threatening the kids. He built an entire torture dungeon in his basement for the explicit purpose of torturing Spreen to the point of death repeatedly and possibly for the rest of Spreen's miserable life. Cucurucho took Bobby away, and Roier said that the Federation would regret putting and keeping him on the island. Pozolito the Capybara blew Cellbit up, and Roier has literally tried killing every Capybara he's seen since. The Federation screwed with his family and with himself, and Roier is more than happy to join Cellbit in massacring the entire Federation.

He's a man of justice, but not of morals. He's a ruthless killer when it comes down to it, and he only shows regret when it comes to his husband's deaths during Purgatory. He doesn't fight unless he has to, but he's been thinking about killing everyone on the island since the first week of the server when he was betrayed. But, when it comes down to it, he doesn't actually want to hurt anyone he cares about. It's why Purgatory fucked him up so much.

His moral alignment actually matches up pretty well with several other Federation workers'- particularly workers like Elena and Fred who are nice but are willing to do terrible things in the name of their cause. The difference here is that Roier has had the same privilege that workers like Walter Bob and Ron got: he got a chance to socialize.

He doesn't have memories from before the island, but he remembers enough about his childhood to be a little suspicious.

But what if these drug-induced hallucinations are actually hints to Roier's backstory? What if it wasn't Doied running all these terrible experiments for the Federation, but it was Roier? Just a guy acting under the belief that he was making the world a better place, punishing criminals (aka rule breakers) while helping the Federation's cause: finding true happiness and spreading it to the world.

The Eye said that everybody in Purgatory was a sinner, and maybe Roier's sin was some mad scientist bullshit.

The dream today, Tape 1, had Roier being punished. Maybe it's because that's what he did as a scientist to new employees, or maybe it's because of his own guilt over everything he's done; remember, the reason he stopped smiling in Purgatory wasn't because he was killing his friends (because he's thought about killing his friends for a VERY long time), but it was because he killed Cellbit, and then it was because he left Cellbit behind to die. That's why the dream specified Cellbit's lost signal and not, say, Jaiden's, and it's why all the cool cinematic landscape shots focused on either Roier himself or Cellbit.

If my prediction is correct, Tape 2 would have Roger instead of Doied. So we'll see what happens then, I guess. Roger, who represents Roier's anger and his various homicidal tendencies.

Fit said that everybody was on the island for a reason, and Roier has been cooking for a long time now. Maybe qRoier is just like qJaiden: a former Federation associate.

TLDR; qRoier is currently hallucinating due to him being a Federation lab rat. His drug-induced dreams may be implying that Roier has a past within the Federation as a scientist completing the same experiments that "Doied" did in the dream to Roier.

But that's just a theory, a Game Theory. Thank you for reading.

[mmyashas]

i think... whatever is coming its something bad .

Ok let me explain. we have to go back to 4 months ago, on luzu's stream (1:10:49) .Here is when we first started seeing the codes and we got some. pretty insane info right. (aswell as the dead eggs being somewhere in the code)

i would like to put some emphasis in the middle text: i'm trying to figure out how to create bridges between my world and yours

we thought this was the end of arin UNTIL. a month ago (26/08/23). What is the message?

“hello” “a door is opening” “they won’t be able to keep me”

it's not until a bit after he appears to tubbo, too (02/09/23)

"there is a hidden danger wat(ching us?)"

"there will be a sacr(ifice?)"

and then, the last message we ever got:

"i see them watching us" "be ready" "i have to escape"

now, a lot of this eventually got lost to time and well. we never really thought much of it. yet arin was warning all of us and we didn't listen

recently a lot of black concrete started appearing over the island in small bits. with roier, tubbo and slime's maze mission. with bagi and carre's arrival. whatever cucurevil fucking is. those are some examples:

and there was also one other thing around this time. arin's computers... just came back. with like. 8 of them. that coincidentally. juuuust coincidentally. well. made this shape

and what weird, black concrete structure suddenly appeared on the island. right above luzu's house. with a similar shape?

a code fucking watched them while it rained. the president got told there was something worse on the island other than the federation and the codes. hell, even the workers (like ron) know something worse is coming. exactly what arin warned us. whatever door was opening is pretty much opened .Now they've just got to be ready to fight against...whatever the fuck it is.

now. maybe this is not connected. but like. i think it matches up too well. A bit tooo well

[haloberry]

Tina and Tubbo brought up an amazing point during the After Purgatory Podcast right now.

The Federation really put their asses onto this Island just so they realize Quesadilla Island is Heaven compared to what they could do. They put them in Hell so everything else could look better in comparison.

Though, Tina genuinely getting mad at Foolish in real life and not being able to look him in the eyes is fucking amazing I WAS CRYINGGGG

And Bad’s argument about what a ‘bug’ was, was also amazing. 10/10

AND TUBBO APPARENTLY CRIED AFTER DAY 2 THEN POSTED THE PHOTO AFTER???

Personally, I would love it if lorewise, when they realize the Islanders go sent to Hell instead of the getaway. They just fire the eye guy and give a really shitty apology to the Islanders about the event lmao.

Like “Oop, sorry we didn’t know, we was too busy fixing the main island. We fired the guy, he was kinda unprofessional ngl. Anyways, here’s Cucurucho but Pinker!”

[lerilita]

SPIDER-LEO

[youphoriaot7]

...oh, holy shit. Did the Federation just give us their experiment plan??

GROUP #0001 - Chayanne, Leonarda, Ramón, Dapper, Bobby, Tílin, JuanaFlippa, Trumpet Department of Convivial Condition Observation

These were the first eggs. The first batch of eight. Put out as a test, a blatant test: can you keep them happy? I wasn't around at the start of the server so I'm going off of a lot of hearsay here, but from the best I can understand the eggs were supposed to be a week or so(??) long experiment to help the two languages of the server come together and spend time with each other. The happiest egg at the end of the week(??) would "win." It was somewhat competitive if I'm remembering right?? That got thrown out the window as the eggs kept running, but initially, it was more like that. (I could be so wrong. Sorry.)

Regardless, "Convivial Condition Observation": breaking this down real quick. Convivial means "(of a person) cheerful and friendly; jovial." Essentially, happiness. Condition being the...condition of either the eggs or the islanders, or both. Observation being the act watching them that the Federation is doing.

"Convivial Condition Observation," or, let's see how well you can keep these eggs happy. And, alternatively/in addition, how happy it keeps you.

GROUP #0002 - Tallulah, Pomme, ______ Department of Subsistence Monitoring

The first thing that stuck out to me with this group was the fact that Tallulah and Pomme were found in very similar ways. Pomme was stuck hidden in the wall, and Tallulah was found hidden in the attic of the adoption center. If the third egg's name really is six blanks, and stands for MEMORY as I'm suspecting it might, then that egg was also hidden—to the point where Cellbit needed coords just to find its adoption center.

"Subsistence Monitoring" breakdown: Subsistence means "the action or fact of maintaining or supporting oneself at a minimum level." Monitoring being the act of observation that the Federation is doing.

"Subsistence Monitoring," or, let's see how well these eggs can take care of themselves without any external help.

GROUP #0003 - Sunny, Pepito, Empanada Department of Permanent Surveillance

This one is a bit alarming, I'm not gonna lie? The clear tie here between the three eggs is that all three were found on Egg Island. The name of the island could possibly have something to do with it? I really don't think I can pin down a definite decision for this answer until we know what the Federation was trying to surveillance.

"Permanent Surveillance," or, let's keep an eye on...something. Egg Island? The islanders?

GROUP #0004 - Richarlyson, ___ __ Department of System Analysis

I'm going to come in straight off the bat and tell you I have no idea what they could be doing in this group. "System Analysis" is incredibly vague, and likely intentionally so.

The best guess I can make is that the system being referred to is...the eggs. If EGG A1 is supposed to fill in the five blanks of the name, then this becomes obvious: the one time we saw this egg, ElQuackity was putting them through a parkour test. A parkour course is generally used to test skills.

...if I wanted to get really headcanon-y: Richarlyson's leg is canonically misdesigned. Running a parkour course with an egg younger than Richas could be the Feds trying to sort out what the issue with Richas' leg is/was.

Additionally, in the really headcanon-y realm, Romero Richas could be a fascinating way to show system malfunction. Just saying.

"System Analysis," or, let's make sure our experiments are working properly.

[glitchedgirly]

I just realized something kinda mindblowing abt q!etoiles' lore! There's actually a semi-canon explanation for his diabetes; it's just not surface level apparent.

I was chillin and watchin a video (this one) abt writing. In the middle (abt 3 mins in), Red goes off on a side tangent abt how the amount of sugars produced by a theoretically photosynthetic human would be abt 4x more sugar than the human body could provide, which is essentially the starting point for diabetes. (source? im diabetic)

It's been repeatedly stated in qsmp that Etoiles isn't human. Instead, he's a cucumber hybrid. What exactly this means (other than green skin) is left pretty vague… However, Etoiles being photosynthetic isn't exactly an uncommon headcanon. It logically and scientifically follows that the excess sugar created by the photosynthesis plus any carbs that etoiles eats plus any sugars that are naturally created in his body would be more than enough to cause serious medical issues and warrant the use of insulin and a diabetes diagnosis

obvi, I realize that the main explanation of why q!etoiles is diabetic is because cc!etoiles is diabetic, but I think that it's cool that there's a possible in-world explanation as well (aside from him just getting the short end of the stick) What are y'all's thoughts?

TLDR: q!etoiles is diabetic bc he's a cucumber hybrid and possibly photosynthetic which overloads his body with sugars

[gz-missfit]

There's something I haven't been able to forget since watching yesterday's Phil stream and its pretty self indulgent but God.

Let me explain.

Chayanne fought Phil over the course of 3 days right? He obviously got some breaks since he had a sleeping bag set up but by the amount of blood on the ground, the soreness of Phil's body and the blood covering Chayanne (which in my eyes that's Phil's and not Chayanne's).

I'm curious, or I'd like to think that Techno was with Chayanne during that time, he's the blood God so do you think Phil occasionally came back to himself and thought he was staring at his oldest friend due to the blood that covered the face.

Do you think Chayanne was doubting himself, loosing his stance, getting exhausted but each time he did there were strong arms holding his up, strategies being whispered in his ears and a chant that fueled him with confidence echoing through the air.

He'd hear a cocky laugh when the ender king had to take a break, he'd hear teases about how his father had become an old man and sloppy fighter but each insult and joke was filled with nothing but care for the crow.

And chayanne knows the stories, knows the man that helped him find his urge to fight. He's known the stories of techno since his dad's adopted him, and he always knew he'd have the protection of him deep down.

So while he feels awful there's a smile creeping over his face at a new drop of blood he manages to draw, he knows who he's fighting, and he knows that this is what he's meant to do. He gains his confidence in his footings and begins to repeate the teases the wind whispers out loud.

Because this isn't his dad he is fighting.

Because this isn't a God worthy

Because he is a child bound to the blood God by nature.

And he is one of us

[eeriedeceit]

Bad has the same Bottle / Medicine that Elena created in the QSMP stream today! Wonder what this implies…

[kadextra]

I was wondering why the cucurucho that keeps appearing to talk to q!Antoine lately looked so off to me, until I realized.

It has pink ears.

our usual cucurucho (left) and osito (right) Don’t. this is a totally new white cucurucho, bringing the number up to 3

[thesmpisonfire]

Just noticed something

Department of Convivial Condition Observation

Department of Subsistence Monitoring

Department of Permanence Surveillance

Department of System Analysis

Observation, Monitoring and Surveillance means the same. It means watch as the development moves, passively

But analysis means something that it's actively being studied on. Being poked and experimented on for someone to analyse its reaction

And it's Richas is currently placed, with a glitch effect. Together with an alive, also glitched out egg