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Did I discover the identity of Jake’s friend from the “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” studio session?

We’ve all heard the story before, several times. x x x

So I was in the middle of a completely unrelated deep dive when I uncovered a piece of Swiftie lore that’s been unsolved for over a decade: who was the random guy that barged into Taylor’s studio session with Max Martin and Shellback to talk about Jake Gyllenhaal? I think I figured it out.. allegedly. Of course I wasn’t there so I cannot actually be sure. But let’s break it down.

Max Martin tells the story about how WANEGBT was written in this interview. (@ 52:30) He says,

“We had our first day with her at Conway Studios…and Maroon 5 was recording next door— like the next studio next door — and this guy shows up, a friend of theirs, and we literally haven’t started the session yet. He comes over there, ‘Hey, I heard Taylor Swift was here. I’ve got to say hello.’

I’m like, ‘Uh… really?’

And he goes, ‘Oh no, I totally know her. It’s fine. We’re friends.’

So he walks in—and turns out, he didn’t know her. But I’m sort of vouching for this guy, like, ‘Hey, here’s… as you know,’ [and she’s just like], ‘No, I don’t know.’

He started talking about some ex-boyfriend he wanted her to call—it was really messy. And he leaves and I apologize.”

They then work on something else and come back to the idea of WANGBT the next day.

And because we know from Taylor that “Message in a Bottle” was the first song they ever wrote together, Max’s story confirms that this was the song they worked on the day Jake and Maroon 5’s friend walked in.

While promoting the Red album, Taylor mentioned that in January 2012, she told her label and producer that she wanted to branch out and work with new people. She began reaching out and scheduling studio sessions with different producers. In one interview, she recalls emailing Max Martin with an idea for a song, even though she wasn’t scheduled to work with him for “almost six months.” If she sent that email in January, then “almost six months” later would place their first session in late May.

This is also backed up by the Lover diary entry from June 10, 2012 where she talks about spending the first week of June writing “22” and “IKYWT” with “the guys I wrote ‘getting back together’ with”.

So I looked at Adam Levine’s tweets from that time and found a gold mine. Although Maroon 5 had finished recording the Overexposed album— entirely at Conway Studios — around April 14th, they just so happened to be in the studio on May 22nd to record a special edition deluxe track. And Adam has brought along his friend/roommate, Gene Hong.

The tweets about being in the studio and Gene messing with his computer are 5 minutes apart.

Here is Adam talking about working on this song. x

So I google Gene Hong and his wikipedia page literally identifies him as the best friend of Jake Gyllenhaal.

So it’s not like they are only friends because of Adam. Jake says he and Adam are still close because of Gene.

Here are some articles and photos of them through the years.

x x x x x

After reading through his tweets and credentials (notably, Wild ‘n Out) he seems to be the out-there, comedian type. The type of person that would be bold enough to crash his friend’s ex-girlfriend’s workplace essentially — despite never having met her before, according to Taylor.

It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong here and their first session was actually earlier in the month. But it’s worth noting that she was pretty busy for most of May. She was confirmed to have written Forever Winter, Run, Everything Has Changed and who knows what else. I once thought they had their first session around April 14th while Adam Levine was still finishing up the standard version of his album but because of Taylor specifically saying they were scheduled to write together “almost six months” after she emailed him, that just doesn’t seem likely now.

Disclaimer: This is 100% alleged. Do not take this as fact. I don’t know these people and I was not there that day. Taylor has never confirmed what day it happened or who this person was. Everything I posted was public information. 😁👍🏻

[loveaningenue]

Hello 👋

My name is May (yes, like the month) so please don’t call me by my URL from now on (I personally find it weird). I never exactly introduced myself and I thought this was a good time. 

I’ll be making more timelines of Taylor’s beards and other Kaylor related things. I make my masterposts to easily relocate my Kaylor/Gaylor information and to help the newbies. I was once new to the fandom and I want to help other people be informed about past information. I had trouble gathering all the information and I want to simplify that. I’ll happily answer questions about Kaylor, Taylor’s beards, Taylor’s alleged exes, Taylor’s songs and Karlie’s beard and help people find articles or dates.

Here are the posts I have that can help: 
Songs About Who? Swifthaal Timeline 2010 TaCo Timeline 2012 2015: The Bearding Timeline 2016: The Bearding Timeline Kaylor: Media Timeline Kaylor: Online Interactions Timeline Taylor Swift’s 2005-2006 MySpace comments

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2016: The Bearding Timeline (pt. 2)

Another timeline for Taylor’s and Karlie’s stunting. Taylor dated Clavin Harris and Tom Hiddleston in 2016 and Karlie has been dating Joshua Kushner since 2012. No likes were added. All pictures are linked in dates or words. 

Read first: 2015: The Bearding Timeline (pt. 1)

January 1: Taylor, Ruby Rose, and the Haim sisters watch part of Calvin’s set in LV.

January 10: Karlie and Josh are seen in NYC by a fan.

January 11: Taylor and Calvin eat together at Giorgio Baldi and take a picture with a fan. 

January 12: Karlie promotes Oscar Health on her Instagram. It’s all business. 

February 14: Calvin snapchats Olivia.

February 15: Taylor doesn’t bring Calvin at the Grammys, but they go to the after party together.

February 28: Josh posts a picture of Karlie on Instagram. 

March 1: Taylor and Calvin eat at the Cut in LA. 

March 5: Karlie and Josh walk in Paris together.

March 6: Josh posts a picture of himself in Paris on Instagram, same place as Karlie’s picture posted on April 8th. Taylor and Calvin celebrate their one year anniversary by baking a cake in Nashville and Calvin left right after he snapchatted. 

March 15: Taylor and Calvin go to the Bahamas. Taylor was there for roughly two days, but had more than 2 different swim suits, making it seem like they were there for many days, but Taylor arrived late on the 14th and left on the 16th. 

March 18: Taylor, Karlie, Kimby Kloss, Kariann Kloss and others attend Calvin’s set in LV. 

March 26: Karlie and Josh go see the Knicks game together and walk around NYC.

March 27: Josh posts a picture of himself on Instagram that is identical to Karlie’s picture posted on April 1st.

April 1: Karlie posts a picture of herself on Instagram that is identical to Josh’s picture posted on March 27th. 

April 3: Taylor attends the 2016 iHeartRadio Music Awards with Calvin. Tayvinisfake21 went to the show and made a recap. 

April 6: Taylor and Calvin eat at Giorgio Baldi in LA. 

April 8: Karlie posts a picture of herself in Paris on Instagram, same place as Josh’s picture posted on March 5th.

April 13: Karlie snapchats a picture of a note from Josh. She calls it a love note, but is “Good luck today!” a love note?

April 14: Taylor’s Vogue issue is published. “I’m in a magical relationship right now. And of course I want it to be ours, and low-key . . . this is the one thing that’s been mine about my personal life.” If she were talking about her and Calvin, she would be contradicting their publicized relationship. 

April 17: Tayor attends Calvin’s set at Coachella in LA. 

April 18: Taylor and Karlie attend Calvin’s set with other friends. Karlie brings Josh with her. 

April 19: Karlie snapchats her’s and Josh’s feet. Taylor’s 73 Questions with Vogue is posted on Youtube. She added a few hints alluding to Calvin, but nothing big. 

April 24: Taylor celebrates Gigi’s birthday in her private jet with Calvin before Calvin’s set at Coachella. Calvin snapchats Gigi and Taylor. Gigi is always there to help Taylor stunt.

April 26: Karlie and Josh go to the Time 100 Gala together in NYC.

May 2: Taylor goes to the Met Gala alone and Karlie goes with Josh. 

May 3: Karlie posts a picture of her and Josh at the Met Gala on Instagram.

May 4: Taylor and Calvin drive around LA.

May 8: Josh posts two (1 - 2) pictures of Karlie at Sol LeWitt Exhibition in NY. 

May 9: Karlie snapchats Josh at the Sol LeWitt Exhibition in NY. 

May 19: Taylor posts a picture of the Itunes charts with her album and Calvin’s song on Instagram. Taylor and Calvin are photographed in LA.

May 22: Karlie and Josh play football in NYC. Josh didn’t look too happy, I wonder why. 

June 1: Taylor and Calvin break up, it’s confirmed by Calvin’s tweet. 

June 8: Karlie posts a picture of her and Josh for their anniversary on Instagram.

June 11: Karlie and Josh have a fight in public in NY. 

June 14: Taylor and Tom are photographed kissing in RI.

June 16: Taylor and Tom are photographed boarding a plane at the Groton airport in Connecticut. 

June 21: Taylor and Tom attend Selena’s concert in Nashville. They are papped leaving which means they called the paps because there aren’t any paps camping or following Taylor in Nashville, TN.

June 22: Taylor and Tom eat at a steakhouse in Nashville, TN.

June 23: Taylor and Tom go on a date with Holly Williams and her husband in Nashville, TN. The paps are called again. 

June 24-25-26: Taylor and Tom visit Tom’s family in Suffolk, England. They are once again papped in an unknown English county. Taylor and Tom walk on the beach with Tom’s mum, which means Taylor met her English boyfriend's mother barely ten days after the started dating.

June 27-28: Taylor and Tom go on a trip to Rome. They’re really low-key by going to the Colosseum and the Vatican. 

July 3-4: Taylor has her Fourth of July Party in RI and Karlie goes with Josh. Tom goes as well and is ridiculed by his I ❤️ TS shirt. Also, this is the first time there are pap pics of her party (and she did call them). 

July 7: Tom brings Taylor to Australia where Thor: Ragnarok is filmed. When asked if their relationship is all for publicity, they look at each other and laugh while ignoring the question. 

July 11: Taylor and Tom eat at Gemelli’s Italien in Queensland, AUS. 

July 21: Taylor and Tom fly back to LA. 

July 27: Taylor and Tom eat at Hillstone in Santa Monica, CA. 

July 28: Karlie snapchats her and Josh on a date. 

August 2: Karlie snapchats Josh smiling (GASP). Lilly Singh (IISuperWomanII) snapchats Karlie and Josh. 

August 8: Karlie posts a picture of her, Mikey Hess and Josh on Instagram for Mikey’s birthday. 

August 12: Tom follows Taylor on Instagram. 

August 13: Tom uses one of Taylor’s private jets in Burbank.

September 6: Taylor and Tom break up. 

September 17: Karlie and Josh walk around NYC together. 

November 5: Karlie appears on Josh’s Instagram Stories and Karlie posts a similar video on her Instagram Stories. 

December 20: Karlie posts a picture of herself on Instagram similar to Josh’s picture posted on January 17th 2017. 

We still have some unforgettable Kaylor pics from 2016, though. I’m not sure which year was worse? 2015 or 2016? Probably 2016 because Taylor and Karlie stopped stunting near the end of the horrible year.

Tayvin and Hiddleswift will both be explained in separate posts. For more info about those stunts: Tayv!n the PR Stunt Masterpost The PR Stunt Little Bits of Information The Hiddleshit Show: A PR Nightmare

For bearding in 2017: 2017: The Bearding Timeline (pt. 3)

For more about her PR relationships: Swifthaal Timeline TaCo Timeline

If I missed anything or made a mistake, message me. 

[loveaningenue]

Swifthaal/Gyllenswift Timeline 2010

Following the modifications of the Buzzfeed article about Taylor last week, I decided to make a timeline of Taylor and Jake Gyllenhaal’s relationship. (Might be helpful for the newbies, you got to understand the PR side of her short-lived ‘relationships’.)

Do I think that it was a real relationship? No, I believe that it was purely a PR stunt, though somewhat more believable than Connor, Harry, Calvin and Tom (IMO). Now, this brings State of Grace, All Too Well, WANGBT, The Moment I Knew, and other songs on the table. Did she write those songs about him? Who knows; she wrote them, not me. Anyway, I’ll explain more after the timeline (at the bottom). 

NB: Jake Gyllenhaal is an American actor best known for Brokeback Mountain (2005). Taylor was 20 years old and Jake was 29 years old. 

Timeline: October 2010 - December 2010/January 2011

October 23, 2010: Taylor and Jake reportedly go apple picking at Fishkill Farms and hang out backstage of SNL and support Emma Stone who is hosting the show.  

October 24, 2010: Taylor, Jake, and Emma reportedly have lunch in NYC. 

October 25, 2010: Speak Now Album is released. 

October 26, 2010: Taylor and Jake relationship rumours start spreading, and they are seen together in Brooklyn. (Sorry for the watermarks, but I’m too lazy to find some pictures without them). 

October 30-31, 2010: Taylor and Jake reportedly have a weekend vacation at Big Sur and an ice cream date.

November 15, 2010: Back To December is released as a single. 

November 16, 2010: Jake goes to the Love & Other Drugs premiere alone.

November 24, 2010: Love & Other Drugs is out in theaters. 

November 27, 2010: Taylor and Jake go to Fido coffee shop in Nashville. 

November 30, 2010: Taylor and Jake have coffee in Nashville. (Again, sorry for watermark). 

December 7, 2010: Taylor and Jake have a date in Brooklyn and Taylor walks with Maggie (Gyllenhaal) and her daughter around NY.

(’Looking’ domestic)

(’Close’ to the family)

December 9, 2010: Taylor and Jake drive around LA. 

December 13, 2010: Taylor celebrates her 21st birthday. 

January (early) 2011: Taylor and Jake Gyllenhaal breakup rumours surface.

October 22, 2012: Red album is released. 

Small bonus:

Taylor meets Jake Gyllenhaal’s family (possibly around Thanksgiving). 

General Conclusion So that was it. The 3 months long relationship between my two favourite SAGs filled with coffee dates and desperation for more photos (kind of). With Taylor releasing Speak Now on October 25 and Jake having Love & Other Drugs coming out on November 24, they both wanted the publicity.  

Swiftie Side The passionate relationship that inspired Red. Gwyneth Paltrow introduced Jake to Taylor, and they started dating in October 2010. Jake was a good guy until he didn’t attend her birthday. There’s a slim chance he took her virginity and swiftly ran away after because they were moving too fast. Special moments were the Apple picking date and their grocery date in Brooklyn (coffee, scarf, and sister).

PR Side As stated, Speak Now was released on October 25th and Love & Other Drugs on November 24th. Speak Now sold 1,047,000 copies in its first week. Love & Other Drugs opened with 9,739,161$ in its first weekend and grossed $32,367,005 domestically ($102,820,008 worldwide) with a budget of $30 million and an average of a 50% score from critics. With both projects released for over a month, there was no more reason to stay together, and rumours of their breakup appeared in early January (and later were confirmed). 

N.B. I don’t want to assume Jake’s sexuality when I don’t know anything about him, but he, like Taylor, has had many rumours about his sexuality, notably after his movie Brokeback Mountain (2005). Google Jake Gyllenhaal and Austin Nichols and see for yourself.  Taylor was not seeing anyone seriously, so it was for PR. 

My Thoughts There is a possibility their relationship was real. Jake hated being in the public eye and even stated: “One of the greatest parts about being in a relationship is the intimacy you share, but it can be difficult if you’re being watched the whole time.” when asked about Taylor Swift in December 2010. They had one heavily photographed pap walk together (+ Taylor and his sister) in their three months. The rest of the pictures were taken by other people with phones (except their walk in Brooklyn in October 2010). They had a lot of ‘reported’ dates that were witnessed but never photographed (Big Sur made me laugh a bit), so maybe they were a more ‘private’ couple. 

The amount emotion and sadness put into All Too Well make me doubt a few things sometimes, but that just proves how good of a songwriter Taylor is. If their relationship was real, she sure put a lot of emotion into a 3 months relationship. (I know I said that she wrote the songs and only she knew what was going on, but we can still try to interpret it). How can we look at All Too Well? (link coming soon). 

Also State of Grace and the “four blue eyes” always gets me, but what really makes me think it’s PR is this picture (along with the rest of that date):

(Taken on December 7, 2010.)

Let’s take a moment and look at their pose. Just before this was taken, they were walking hand in hand, and they suddenly stopped and stared at the sky. The paparazzi was obviously there, and they gave them a shot. I would find it weird if two celebrities decided to stand on the sidewalk and just look at the sky. All the pictures were OTT in my opinion. The laughing and the hand holding looked forced. Taylor really tried to make them look romantic with her arm around him (and she kind of succeeded if some of her fans believe in that relationship). As I said, it was a 3 months long relationship, very common for PR stunts. Kudos to Taylor for acting decently unlike Jake who was not into it. 

Songs About Jake Red came out October 22, 2012, almost two years after their relationship. The ‘alleged’ songs about him are (in order of the Red album):  - State of Grace - Red - All Too Well - WANGBT - (maybe?) Come Back... Be Here - The Moment I Knew I’m working on a post about those songs, but it’ll take some time (they won’t be about how the songs are about him, more the story of the songs). 

The Aftermath At least they didn’t hate each other (see: Talvin). Apparently, at the 2015 Golden Globes after-party, they greeted each other in a friendly manner and chatted a bit, so I don’t think the three months was that bad. They never insulted each other afterward and bless Jake Gyllenhaal for not being bitter or anything. 

I should add that Taylor, nor Jake have stated that they dated, though Jake has been questioned about her, he never admitted they dated. 

Anne Hateway did, though. In an interview with Glamour Magazine UK, she said: “She just seems to be following her heart. I met her - I hope it's OK to say this - when she and Jake [Gyllenhaal] were together. She was 20 at the time, and we hung out one night. I was like, 'You are a magnificent creature.' She was on fire and I've watched her become this force of nature.”

Seven years later, their relationship was mentioned in this Buzzfeed article that was published January 31, 2017, and updated on February 3, 2017. After the update, every mention of Jake was erased. This leads to the question: Why? 

Who knows. Like, seriously, who even knows what their relationship was (except Taylor and Jake). I personally think it was PR (that worked mostly for Taylor). All I can say is believe in what you want to believe. 

After all that, it’s safe to say that it leans more towards PR, but it still looks more real than half of her other relationships. Bless her songwriting then. 

If I missed something, feel free to message me. Thanks for reading and I hope you have a great day!