#gyllenswift

[thelasttime]

The Gyllenswift Thanksgiving pictures were from 2010. Which means Jake was already around when Adam posted his 'reply' on Valentines Day 2011. Now I feel like Jake sunk both the Adam and Will ships lol

the will anderson ship? that happened after jake broke up with taylor though

[deepdivearchives]

Did I discover the identity of Jake’s friend from the “We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together” studio session?

We’ve all heard the story before, several times. x x x

So I was in the middle of a completely unrelated deep dive when I uncovered a piece of Swiftie lore that’s been unsolved for over a decade: who was the random guy that barged into Taylor’s studio session with Max Martin and Shellback to talk about Jake Gyllenhaal? I think I figured it out.. allegedly. Of course I wasn’t there so I cannot actually be sure. But let’s break it down.

Max Martin tells the story about how WANEGBT was written in this interview. (@ 52:30) He says,

“We had our first day with her at Conway Studios…and Maroon 5 was recording next door— like the next studio next door — and this guy shows up, a friend of theirs, and we literally haven’t started the session yet. He comes over there, ‘Hey, I heard Taylor Swift was here. I’ve got to say hello.’

I’m like, ‘Uh… really?’

And he goes, ‘Oh no, I totally know her. It’s fine. We’re friends.’

So he walks in—and turns out, he didn’t know her. But I’m sort of vouching for this guy, like, ‘Hey, here’s… as you know,’ [and she’s just like], ‘No, I don’t know.’

He started talking about some ex-boyfriend he wanted her to call—it was really messy. And he leaves and I apologize.”

They then work on something else and come back to the idea of WANGBT the next day.

And because we know from Taylor that “Message in a Bottle” was the first song they ever wrote together, Max’s story confirms that this was the song they worked on the day Jake and Maroon 5’s friend walked in.

While promoting the Red album, Taylor mentioned that in January 2012, she told her label and producer that she wanted to branch out and work with new people. She began reaching out and scheduling studio sessions with different producers. In one interview, she recalls emailing Max Martin with an idea for a song, even though she wasn’t scheduled to work with him for “almost six months.” If she sent that email in January, then “almost six months” later would place their first session in late May.

This is also backed up by the Lover diary entry from June 10, 2012 where she talks about spending the first week of June writing “22” and “IKYWT” with “the guys I wrote ‘getting back together’ with”.

So I looked at Adam Levine’s tweets from that time and found a gold mine. Although Maroon 5 had finished recording the Overexposed album— entirely at Conway Studios — around April 14th, they just so happened to be in the studio on May 22nd to record a special edition deluxe track. And Adam has brought along his friend/roommate, Gene Hong.

The tweets about being in the studio and Gene messing with his computer are 5 minutes apart.

Here is Adam talking about working on this song. x

So I google Gene Hong and his wikipedia page literally identifies him as the best friend of Jake Gyllenhaal.

So it’s not like they are only friends because of Adam. Jake says he and Adam are still close because of Gene.

Here are some articles and photos of them through the years.

x x x x x

After reading through his tweets and credentials (notably, Wild ‘n Out) he seems to be the out-there, comedian type. The type of person that would be bold enough to crash his friend’s ex-girlfriend’s workplace essentially — despite never having met her before, according to Taylor.

It’s entirely possible that I’m wrong here and their first session was actually earlier in the month. But it’s worth noting that she was pretty busy for most of May. She was confirmed to have written Forever Winter, Run, Everything Has Changed and who knows what else. I once thought they had their first session around April 14th while Adam Levine was still finishing up the standard version of his album but because of Taylor specifically saying they were scheduled to write together “almost six months” after she emailed him, that just doesn’t seem likely now.

Disclaimer: This is 100% alleged. Do not take this as fact. I don’t know these people and I was not there that day. Taylor has never confirmed what day it happened or who this person was. Everything I posted was public information. 😁👍🏻

[youareinlovees]

What emotions do you think jake was experiencing when he heard RED because he definitely would have listened to it for his curiosity and open letter aspect of it she sings.

Well we know he emailed her and told her that he loved the songs and it felt like going through a photo album, so I think he was in his feels (but also didn't regret how things turned out)

[gyllencevans8]

Phoebe Dynevor and I have the same taste. I also think it's funny that Jake Gyllenhaal and Taylor Swift are together like this on her list of people she follows.

Gyllenswift will always be famous in my heart. Jake and Taylor are the bane of my existence and the objects of all my desires.

[dreamaboutwhathappens]

this highlight from @silkchifffon’s gyllenswift timeline has got me Thinking

it’s interesting what shows up as themes in our lives. especially with all the parallels between ttpd and red… thinking.

[youareinlove]

I fear i’m in worse position cause’ i don’t know the jake anon lore lmao

oh boy here's the rundown:

started out as an anon who confessed that they initially wanted a gyllenswift revival after joever, and when i was like ??? they were like "i thought he changed" and i made an "i can fix him (no really i can)" joke basically saying they needed to learn from her saying "whoa maybe i can't"

anon was like "well she doesn't need to end up with him but i want him bc he's hot" and i was like 👍 this is great i'm obsessed and the icon jake anon as we know them was born

they adopted the pittsburgh steelers as their football team because that's jake's football team, angering a different anon of mine (packers anon). packers anon has more lore attached that is completely separate but they're not around as much right now because their real job is to cure cancer. anyway them and jake anon are frenemies because of this development

jake anon said their home team was actually the miami dolphins because they live in miami (their dad is a big fan) and they don't care about football at all but kinda support both these teams for the bit

then we learned they were an architect and we were all shellshocked (other facts we'd learned at this point: they hated it when jake shaved the beard, they desperately wanted jake to go back to the indie movies, and the first jake gyllenhaal movie they watched was love and other drugs and it rewired their brain)

eventually they started using this 🧣 emoji

jake anon was already an icon at this point, like they were (and are) all of our parasocial internet bestie. other facts about them are that they like the tv show sex and the city (they have influenced me to start watching it), cheesecake, and berry sangria. they also want to get out of florida

then a different anon told us that their friend was dressing as jake gyllenhaal for their liverpool show and jake anon was like "...i am also trying to get liverpool tickets no way"

anon's friend who was dressing up as jake gyllenhaal for eras was dubbed "jake dupe" because i made a joke about jake anon wanting to meet jake dupe being the equivalent of me getting a folklore cardigan dupe alkdjflfsjd

jake anon turned out to be really good at mastermind and is our MVP

it turned out that jake dupe is also floridian (he supports the buccaneers but whatever). the plot thickens

we discovered that they both had floor tickets to liverpool n2 and this became an actual possible reality that everyone was super hyped about

jake anon decided to wear the equivalent of donna kelce's chiefs/eagles jersey but for the steelers and the dolphins (picked bradshaw's jersey for the steelers because of carrie bradshaw LOL)

jake dupe was dressed as that one photo of jake gyllenhaal where he's wearing a shirt that says "i was a gay cowboy before it was cool"

today was liverpool n2 and they met! for real! most of the events of today are accessible via scrolling

[whatiwillsay]

Would love if u did an ep on late stage gyllenswift someday bc u’ve mentioned it a few times and pics of them hanging out but the only timelines are made by kaylors who think they were fake

we talked about it in our gyllenswift episode

i wouldn’t call it late stage it was only 3 months after they broke up the first time. taylor details it in all too well 10 minute version.

[magxit]

Mine was Taylor and Joe #1, lived through the horror John rumors. And of course Gyllenswift but I thought he was too old lol

Haylor was traumatic for me.

[bisluthq]

I just remembered that when Speak Now TV came out people were speculating that Electric Touch was about Jake ??? Gyllenhaal ??? How and why people came to that conclusion I have no idea.

Like, is it possible? I guess, maybe, yeah. Is it likely? I really don't think so.

To be fair, this take was generally perpetuated by people who seem to have an "analytical" fixation on Gyllenswift for the Wrong reasons, so clearly their ability to reach is out of this world😭 on top of that, a lot of them seem to truther that they were going out earlier than is publicly accepted (Sep-Oct 2010, gets stretched to like July-Aug which 1) I find difficult to believe and 2) isn't backed up by anything but "vibes").

Also I don't know how much "post-breakup" Gyllenswift truthering you've engaged in off the top of my head, but I feel pretty solid in the notion that she and Jake called things off for GOOD around like March 2011.

Then she was really sad about it, he kept trying to call her, she kept writing songs rather than responding. Then come April 2012 and he's STILL insisting that they'll get back together (which might indicate a continued communication, but other shit she's said and the timeline for when certain songs were written makes me think that at the VERY least they took a LONG break throughout 2011/did not get back together post March).

One of their Big pieces of evidence was that she wrote The Last Time in May 2012. And shit like that (+ that interview that got released in early 2012 where she off-handedly mentioned jake to the staff) does open me up to the idea of a potential post-Begin Again's conception rekindling, especially since learning that she actually started writing Begin Again in March 2011 (that on top of writing Better Man and finishing All Too Well... Jesus), so the "8 months" might be in reference to the time it took to finish the song, rather than the time since the breakup.

This got WAY off track, but in conclusion, people are Weird about Gyllenswift, and I am lowkey people😭

I think solid thoughts but imo Gyllenswift was a mess.

[thelasttime]

i don't really use ship names that much except for relationships that are really really old but i believe the popular ones were/are

jaylor (joe j and taylor)

taylor squared (taylor lautner and taylor)

gyllenswift (jake and taylor)

taco (conor kennedy and taylor but i don't think anyone shipped this)

haylor (harry and taylor)

tayvin (calvin and taylor)

hiddleswift (tom and taylor) (also rip)

swiftwyn (joe a and taylor)

maylor (matty and taylor but i think a very specific subset of people ship this)

tayvis (travis and taylor)

is this mostly correct?

HIDDLESWIFT LET ME HEAR YOU MAKE SOME NOOOOOOOISE

[youareinlovees]

I have doubts if Jake would be the one if he wasn't an idiot... If they were still together it would be practically 10 years of relationship, many things would have to be different, not just for him, but for her too, maybe the The feeling she felt in "better man" made sense when she wrote it, but I think Taylor herself nowadays knows it wouldn't work even if he were a better man

For sure, and it's pretty unlikely that they would've been compatible in the long run. Also he legitimately only dates girls in their early twenties it's weird as fuck

[gyllencevans8]

Funny how Jake Gyllenhaal says that he has never done Shakespeare professionally, but the Bard himself called him a professio—[GUNSHOT].

[youareinlove]

my beloved gyllenswift🧣

guys please this is a joke

i know he's eating pasta here can we pretend it's olive garden

[whatiwillsay]

Cam you answered an ask last week (I can't find it right now maybe you can?) with a Patreon episode about all the Gaylor tea you've heard from insiders. Forgive me if you've answered this before (I'm a new listener and even newer Patreon) but what makes you so sure that she's into men as well if you have heard so much tea about her with women? Feel free to answer on the Patreon if that's easier.

yes! this is the ask you're referring to!

and i just now recorded an episode with some scandalous tea about taylor and jake and taylor and joe and some other bits to answer your great question! enjoy!

[womanexile]

There are toes,haylors,gaylors who ship her with zoe,karlie,dianna,hiddleswifties i wonder If gyllenswift shippers exist since the culture love a controversal age gapes with toxicism and intensity

I bet they’re out there. There are shippers for anything.

[bisluthq]

Also no shade to the Gyllenhaals who made nice careers for themselves, but Jake is clearly the richest Gyllenhaal by a substantial margin. People just hear that his dad and some nebulous connection to Swedish nobility in their ancestry and assume they had a Scrooge McDuck money bin full of rare jewels and shit.

ok story time as always - my boyfriend has a fancy last name (like crest and all) and he can trace his dad’s connection to that family directly but… in the 1700s when they left Europe right (and lbr the people who were doing the best weren’t the ones leaving Europe - they were doing just fine THERE lol, the people who did the New World thing had some problems? I mean maybe they were Harry Windsor problems and they hated the spouse or whatever but generally they were even deeper - religious or money usually and in the case of my bf’s ancestors it was religion - problems). His family is very very upper middle class (like old upper middle class like my ex-Soviet Republic family cannot relate) and much like the Gyllenhaals actually instilled in him and his siblings that they were BEYOND privileged because like??? They were lol. They had private schools and not for credit study abroad programs and they have all lived all over the world but can always phone their parents even at their very big ages and they absolutely ARE insanely privileged and my bf says he wouldn’t have gone into what he does (or moved abroad) if he didn’t have that tbh because the worst shit that can happen to him is not really that bad right lol BUUUUUT it’s very much still an upper middle class experience. There absolutely *were* things he couldn’t do growing up because they just couldn’t afford them and some of the kids at the fancy private schools they went to could AND like if he developed a gambling addiction now or something and blew his money and the money he earns currently then idk I’d have to support him or we’d have to move to his mum’s house because there isn’t like an “oh alright my fuckup kid” fund??? And despite the name being fancy, by virtue of them not having been in Europe for the last 300 years, they are not aristocrats? So I feel like the Gyllenhaal thing is similar where yes it’s a very fancy name but the ones that went to seek the New World were lbr not the most successful of the Swedish Gyllenhaals and ergo there were not stacks of gold and family jewels all over Jake’s house growing up?

If I were to extrapolate and headcanon I’m ngl that is probably one of the things that pissed him off about her because I think they had very comparable experiences growing up - just that his family was in entertainment - and I think her “wide eyed gaze” at him knowing Jamie Lee Curtis very well and taking that as a “you’re better than me” thing probably annoyed him when he met her multimillionaire father. Because like I’m older than Jake was for Gyllenswift now but if I accidentally fell for someone younger and they were blown away by me knowing some famous people (which I do although not as well or as famous as Jake) I’d be MAD annoyed if they were like “oh your life was so much easier” especially when that someone’s parents bought a record label to make sure little darling has a career lol because I (like Jake) worked for my money since my teens (and unlike Jake none of my jobs were in my dad’s movies but tbf again he acknowledges that).