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bennetsbonnet · 21 days ago
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I know I turned this scene into a joke about how gorgeous Colin Firth is... but the pineapple that lurks in the background of the Netherfield ball when Mr Collins is yapping to Mr Darcy is such a subtle detail that I really appreciate!
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The wealthy at this time in Britain were a little bit obsessed with pineapples. Depictions of them featured as decoration in country homes, in political cartoons, paintings and crockery (warning: Margaret Thatcher jumpscare🥴 but you can read more about that here and here).
But to have an actual pineapple on display during a large social gathering such as a ball? That was really showing off.
Especially when you consider it cost £150 (or approx. £28,000 today) to buy the initial plant, build a hothouse to grow them in and run it... with no guarantees they'd grow given the climate was not exactly suited for growing pineapples! It was a huge risk.
All this meant that pineapples were so scarce that they became incredibly sought after. Naturally, rich people did silly rich people things to acquire them and show them off... perhaps they were the NFTs of their day?
A single pineapple was valued at £60 (approx. £11,000 today). Given the cost and effort of acquiring one, you'd think people would be keen to tuck in and sample this exotic fruit? Nope. Pineapples were not eaten! Of course not! They were displayed on plates surrounded by other less prestigious fruit during dinner parties and other social occasions, usually until they rotted. They could be rented for special occasions too. Such was their value that naturally they became the target of thieves and some pineapples even had their own security guards!
In the end, colonialism (because all British history eventually returns to that) meant that pineapples could be imported cheaply and their status was devalued when the working classes could afford to buy them.
But next time you watch Pride and Prejudice (1995), pay attention the scenes in the dining room at the Netherfield ball and look out for the pineapple... which is the second prickliest thing in shot (behind Mr Darcy). 🍍
Also... just to throw in a little etymological rant... as a treat: I know most of the rest of the world calls them ananas... but in English (and other languages) all fruit used to be called an apple of some sort. We just never got around to changing pineapple.
The humble potato has some peculiar names in other languages... looking at you, French and Dutch with your pommes de terre (apples of the earth) and aardappels (earth apples)... and then there is also the Italian for tomato... pomodoro... (golden apple) when most the rest of the world call them some version of the Nahuatl 'tomatl'.
Languages are just funny like that and that's why I find them fascinating!
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angelsdean · 2 months ago
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don't know how people multi-fandom. dipped my toe into another one and immediately backed out bc everyone there was insufferable.
#ok i do know how ppl do it. the secret is having other moots in those fandoms#but i am an analysis and yapper girlie and reading the majority of y*ellowj*ckets takes are driving me up a WALL#[sorry y*llowj*ckets fandom rant starts here. tags contain spoilers for the s3 finale]#like i've lurked on the reddit and so many ppl there are dumb as rocks they don't even realize when a MAJOR PLOT POINT happens#but there are also some good takes on there once in a blue moon#and i enjoy how it's The Norm to call ppl out for being dumb as rocks abt things lmao. i love the argumentative nature of it#even tho i don't post there#on here tho? you get more nuanced takes but then you also get like 95% of the fandom who are blinded in various directions over their faves#and their rarepair / random ships. (and god forbid you express disliking a character. for valid reasons!)#and half of the fandom thinks everything they personally don't like / understand is Bad Writing#and another sizable part of the fandom is constantly chanting 'they're all bad! just pick ur fave and go!' whenever anyone wants to have#and nuanced discussion abt character morals / motivations or dares suggest that some of them are indeed less morally corrupt than others#a bunch of ppl are disappointed that they didn't get to see ALL the girls go feral and become 'crazy cannibals'#in the specific way they were imagining it would go from the pilot now that their time in the wilderness is pretty much up#EYE on the other hand enjoy the fact that most of the girls never truly descended to that level. never truly gave in to the wilderness#there have been moments for all of them sure. but in the end when it came down to the pit girl scene? the reality is most weren't into it#at all. the only ones who were really giving in were sh*na and l*ttie but everyone else was distraught over m*ri's death.#even with other characters using the hunt to conspire to take out sh*na l*ttie and possible t*issa like. in the end NONE of them could#go thru with it. which i think SAYS SOMETHING abt their character#sure they can plot all they want but when it came down to it m*lissa couldn't finish the job#and ahk*la realized that killing l*ttie in the caves would let IT in and change her forever so she backed down#ANYWAYS. just needed to Vent lol#maybe i will make this all a real post later lol (on my main bc that's where i post / rb yj content)
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themyscirah · 1 year ago
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Complaining abt Suicide Squad yet again but the fact that they have Waller exposing the alien community to space racist attacks and talking abt how she got to her position through deceit and being a terrible person and stuff is just. Ahsfiwueh JUST SAY YOU DONT KNOW WALLER.
Anyways literally the 3rd mission of the Squad ever (and the first framed as smth Waller picked and not orders from above) was the Squad discrediting and stopping a rogue vigilante who was only arresting POC and funneling white people into white supremacy groups (of which he was the most prominent member) in SUICIDE SQUAD #4. and it's explicitly framed as this mission being personal for Waller that she's hiding from the government bc its illegal like. Guys. Please why are we having her incite (space bc comics) racist attacks now
Also the whole "Amanda got her position through deceit and being a terrible person" NO. she KEPT her position through being shitty and playing complicated political games!!! She wasn't always that way like there is a difference and it is IMPORTANT ppl PLEASEEEE. In Secret Origins #14 we learn Amanda's backstory and she used to be a normal, caring person! Like even after she entered into working in government and politics she wasn't automatically morally bankrupt like please people. She was originally given control of the Squad by Reagan (*sigh* 80s comics...) to distract and get rid of her because she was so successful at pushing progressive social policy in Congress. Acting like she's this static pillar of evil is such a waste of her character and so fucking uninteresting and disrespectful to her arc it drives me MAD.
Like I am NOT saying Waller is all sunshine and rainbows, she fucking SUCKS (said w love <3) but like there's a human being there. It's a progression, she has a character arc like please, DC, please!!! They've fucked up Waller so bad and made her so opaque and uninteresting she can't even be the protagonist of her own story for fucks sake!
Like I don't know how many times I have to scream it until DC hears me or remembers but WALLER IS THE MAIN CHARACTER OF SUICIDE SQUAD. ITS HER BOOK. yet right now she's a cutout to be used as the villain wherever the writers please. Even in her book we get none of her perspective really displayed, no exploration of her thoughts with any kind of understanding of the role she traditionally has played and was made to play in the story.
#its like youre unable to root for her in any form. which is annoying bc shes actually awesome actually#also having her say “actually im the good guy fuck you'' w/o any actual deep analysis of her psyche or whatever while doing these things#doesnt count as development or showing shes 3 dimensional. its just having 2 dimensional waller say shes right when everyone is obviously#supposed to believe shes wrong#anyways i want real waller back please i miss herrrrrrrr#anyways hope mr john ridley has read secret origins no 14. i know its from 1987 but please guys please. my only hope#also it was a few months ago but i think they tried to push certain elements of a diff backstory in dream team and sorry but fuck that. and#any mention of another waller background like my eyes are closed sry. im a preboot truther#actually im just ignorant of most squad comics outside the original series. im gonna do a readthrough and become knowledgeable on other#stuff i just need to find time. so if im wrong then sorry if its smth factual and if you disagree with my opinion then uh sorry for ur loss#anyways shoutout to the time i had a nerd night w my one friend and she was asking me abt dc and said my favorite villains and i said waller#and silver swan. and she had a “yuck WHY” to waller and a ???? to silver swan. love shouting out my faves and explaining them to the less#informed. didnt say a number 3 but would probably be parallax ig. idk hes kind of slay. or maybe someone else honestly i like hal but waller#and nessie are blorbo level for me i could think abt them for hours#or maybe it wouldnt be parallax actually idk who my 3 would be. hes definitely up there but way below the other 2. maybe the cheetah#interpretation that i personally have. v different from the popular cheetah interpretation esp rucka vers actually. much closer to the pérez#and esp develops some subtext there surrounding barbara and the exploitation and theft of sacred cultural artifacts and pieces but also#like british colonization a lil bit#but i actually despise the cheetah that lives in my head but think shed be interesting to use narratively and see diana fight#vs the other guys who i find interesting and sympathetic and like for themselves#whereas my fave interpretation of cheetah can rot in hell#i got off topic here#blah#swishy rant#also disclaimer that w the main character ik dreamer is the main character of dream team. im talking more in general and that amanda should#always have a huge role as shes the main character of the squad and yet is treated like its villain and not its protag#sui sq
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spookythesillyfella · 7 months ago
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i meow i already mentioned this in a post but i actually kinda wanna go in depth about "Alarm Call" – The Correspondents and how it genuinely fits tony n sketch n chester so much
like .. the first bit feels so tony n sketch to me . specifically about how tony fulfilled the older brother for paper ["Your alarm call's on and I'm coming to your rescue // I know exactly what to do // I make the call and sit by you // Check your heartbeat against mine // And mop your brow from tine to time" and "When I'm the person by your side // Upon me you can rely // When you're high and when you're dry"]
on top of that . the lyrics "The irony is that my recovery is always slower than yours // You're back on your feet in no time while I'm still floored" mirror the fact that sketch has been able to move on from paper's past with tony's help . while tony's been stuck in this desolate . grieving state for hundreds of years
i think the song keeps working for them up until the point of the lyric "Check your heartbeat against mine // But there's no trace of it this time" where it shifts from tony n sketch to tony n chester
i say this because the following verses mirror their history perfectly ["Where have you gone? I am calling on you! // My siren's on and there's so many things that I need you to do // Be my mentor, be my guide // Tell me when to run and when to hide"] – chester taking care of tonie and guiding him throughout his formative years . and the subsequent lyrics ["I know you would've known just what to do // With all the things that life could throw at you"] are also reflective of tony feeling lost and alone without him ; no clue how how to deal with this situation on his own and being certain that "if he was still here" things would be good ...
i also think that the part of "My siren will remain on for a while // Waiting soundproof by a timid little smile // I'm still haunted by your alarm call" also shows that . even though sketchbook is now at his side and willing to be there for him in his times of need . he still can't let go of the grief and . more importantly . the guilt that he holds over it
the whole "if he was still alive everything would be fine" mantra is only accentuated in the last lyrics of the song ["So many moods that you could change // So many thoughts you'd rearrange // So many rules I know you'd bend // So all good things will find their end..."] since tony is certain that chester was the element that kept him sane ; "if he was still alive i would be happy ..." – itz perfect because itz clear that tony is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses . while simultaneously ignoring the fact that sketchbook makes him feel so fulfilled and alive and that so many more joys like these await him in the future ...
all because of an event from the past that couldn't have been prevented . no matter what tonie did ...
"the past is far behind us // the future doesn't exist" after all ...
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rigelmejo · 14 days ago
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So anyone following me for an example (lol i appreciate you if this is u) just keep in mind that: my primary goal for any language I studied was to READ. I think I'm fairly good at reaching that goal. A lot of what I did, personally, as a beginner, was tailored to learning to read. (Read a grammar summary, study word translations for 1000-3000 words, start reading graded readers, work up to intensively reading materials - so looking up key words for the main idea, then extensively reading materials I understood the main ideas of).
For the other skills:
Listening - I am working on it now as it's a weak spot I would like to be better at. I think my study plan has been working well. Which amounts to intensive listening (looking key words up for understanding the main ideas), and a lot of extensive listening. The same strategy I had for reading, which worked well for reading. Start with materials for learners, which for listening is CI Lessons and Learner Podcasts. Then ramp up the difficulty, and do intensive and extensive listening. Mostly extensive listening, since I already know many words from reading.
Speaking and writing - I am NOT a good example of success lmao. I am a 3-5 year old level at best when it comes to writing or speaking. The best thing I studied was "300 words in a language to say anything" post on tumblr, reblogged with various translations for languages, because you can indeed say a LOT of stuff on a very general level with that word list. That's about as good as my speaking/writing ever got, in terms of active study. After that, everything I've studied was in the service of learning to read or listen, and you don't need Active Production skills to read or listen. You don't need perfect pronunciation or grammar to read, you just need to recognize the general idea. If I'm being really fucking generous with myself, I am perhaps A2 at speaking and writing in French, HSK 3-4 in Chinese, if I have recently read/listened to those languages for a few weeks beforehand so I can actively recall more words. Could I get by if traveling? Sure. Could I ask my way around topics to ask how to say X? Yeah, that 300 words list was fucking awesome for a general preparation to talk around topics/ask about words. Is it good enough to do anything detailed like write an email or a journal entry, absolutely fucking not. I still have a LOT to work to do on my production skills. I'm honestly hoping the listening skills transfer to active skills a bit...
#rant#chinese listening experiment#i learned enough reading skills to read what i want in french. chinese. japanese. spanish. italian...#for japanese it is much Less ambitious as my goal was manga and video games 'main idea'#for french and chinese my reading goals were most ambitious: read anything as well as i can read English (still getting there#but i think i can read french and chinese as well as 12 year old me could read English which is no small feat)#for spanish i only wanted to read nonfiction and theres a Lot of overlap between spanish science words and french ones#for italian i only wanted to read Dante's Inferno and i have an english/italian parallel text so ive just been reading that#for german i only wanted to understand the German in Xmen. which i succeeded at (and i can read some informational sites like University#websites with the information on their programs... not sure if i just happened to learn a lot of technical german at some point?#not sure how/when i picked up those words. i took 2 years of german in school though.)#my japanese and spanish reading skills i would like to improve. id like to read japanese fiction novels and spanish fiction novels easier#for french its probably good where it is. i suppose id like to improve my ability to do literary analysis in french?#mostly i just want to read more french fanfics.... nothing i need to work on. i assume deeper literary understanding will come with more#reading practice. and with chinese... id like to read more fiction novels with 98% comprehension...#right now i read some goal novels with 95% comprehension but thats honestly still too low for me. i want to appreciate all the details...#hence reading chinese feels like reading English at age 12. i get the broad story. i miss some details id like to be able to understand and#appreciate...#right now im focusing on Chinese audiobooks. because if my listening skills get good enough to understand 98% well i can#get the details i enjoy even if im too busy to stop and read. its easier to listen to audiobooks in my life.
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littlelav107 · 18 days ago
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i keep getting shot - when i find i cannot help but be wrong.
i keep getting shot. arrows do not fly in all directions, nor do they aim at me alone. no, somehow i end up where the arrows fly past.
i keep getting shot. i look at every screen i hold in my hands just before each one becomes a portal. a portal? yes, one that lets arrows pass through, pierce my heart, then disappear without a trace.
i keep getting shot. a friend hands me a note in good faith yet every word my eyes fall on become icy daggers that leave me frozen. she would never mean to hurt me. she gave me the note to support me.
i keep getting shot. i stumble across a story and every word calls out to me. i hear the calling - "what does each of us mean?" i scramble to analyze every word but they cut deeper, too deep that i fear i cannot find all their secrets
i turn and face the crowd - "i do not understand what any of you mean!" and their knives, their swords, they glisten with disdain. it's as if they dream to tear me to pieces! i blink once. twice. i open my eyes. but the crowd isn't there.
they were never there.
so i laugh, i know not whether it is genuine or sarcastic, yet i hold no malice to the arrows. i keep stepping into the battlegrounds; i know what i am doing.
do not even dare tell me to step out. what good is avoidance? i know what to choose! the rich crimson (it now drips from my heart) the controversial green (we share the same fate) the mixes of purple (should i follow the crowd) every wound is worth the sliver of reward!
i choose to get shot. i do not need your armor nor do i need your peace. i have to remain, for the words call me. the imaginary crowds demand this of me.
i'll keep getting shot.
#rambling#rant#vent#poetry#spilled ink#this post is about. uh.#speaking on this without the poetic stuff:#i can't explain what this is about. but i've been shaking and sobbing for maybe half an hour now.#i thought all of this stopped four years ago. i remember that moment believing i was wrong for liking a ship that was involved in a ship wa#...a ship war that happened a decade before i joined the fandom#i remember those days. i once saw an old take that said a specific less popular ship was better than the more popular semi-canon one#(and the more popular ship was the one i also happened to like)#i was four years younger and newer to fandom and i was so very afraid. it was like every move i made could be wrong.#but i thought i got over it! in 2022 i cared about topics both national and global out of pure passion. it never felt forced.#tho i did force myself to compartmentalized my fandoms because “liking these now would be wrong”. in 2023-4 tho? this never popped up!#until now. where i am stepping into somewhere new - a decade older than i myself am#and at the same time im looking at beautiful critiques and i enjoy watching all these booktube analysis videos#it just so happened that i stumbled across a beautiful interactive story today. and i feel like im not analyzing it well enough.#im not looking into each moment's meaning well enough. and that isnt a crime but it feels like it IS! ik it's irrational to think all this#but i feel like everything i fail to explore reflects my failure to truly *think*. and somehow that means i'm always in the wrong#and i hate that. i dont want to keep being wrong i just want to be happy w/o feeling like a “fake fan” for liking a popular thing#or being part of some problematic idea just for existing. i feel like my body is wrong my thoughts are wrong my actions are wrong idk why#i assume everything i do is cruel and evil to some group i havent heard of yet and that im wrong for not considering them and it's killingm#i dont know what this is called. but i dont want to be so wrong even on a mental level. i dont want to be called 'messed in the head'#i just want to be happy without feeling like my existence is a sin
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windor-truffle · 1 month ago
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research for 2hcb1 is like 30 percent revisiting canon lore and 70 percent watching therapy videos because *gestures vaguely at Lambda and Asbel* you've got a lot to unpack there, huh 😅
#dolphin noises#2hcb1#wips#shoutout to the YouTube channel Cinema Therapy ive been watching them for years. Therapy thru the lens of media analysis is 👌#I'd recommend them to literally anyone bc its free therapy but especially anyone trying to write a redemption arc#psychologically understanding a villain's motives and what is needed to reconstruct their behavior/worldview is huge#for making it feel believable and earned. There's so much good advice here like#Conflict occurs when views clash and neither side is willing to see that they might be in the wrong#Everyone has reasons for what they believe after all. And many times they apply those reasons to others' lives too#So they aren't truly listening when the other expresses their feelings and instead feel like no one is listening to THEM#Major change will not happen overnight. Self awareness is required to even realize that a change is needed#Often coming in the form of painful consequences. 'The pain of change must be less than the pain of staying the same' as CT says#Thats why change is more likely to happen in the aftermath of strong emotions. Feelings confuse logic and they need to be dealt w first#You can't force anyone to change nor are you responsible for their behavior. It has to be their own active choice#But if you can't/dont want to walk away you can set clear boundaries and try to demonstrate the behavior you want to see#Perspective taking active listening and a healthy break are all good for changing one's worldview too#Anyway those are just a few of the takeways I've gotten from their videos that are all relevant to 2hcb1#I'm attempting to apply these principles without using 'therapy speech' as it were. I HATE that in media 🙄#I don't want characters to talk abt their feelings like they're reading a wikipedia article on depression or abuse :/#But I think I've crafted a pretty good Power of Friendship speech instead 😂 cliched maybe but hopefully by ch 17 it feels earned#Hyperbole feels realer than realism imho. thats why i love cartoons and cliched fantasy jrpgs#...Ok rant over this is too many tags 😅
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multifandom-nerds-blog · 2 years ago
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Thinking about Ducktales again. More theoratical analyzing. More ranting. More precisely about Ducktales humanity. (Less a biological take, more societal and historical)
I don't remember if there were any monkey or ape characters, but nevertheless evolution in the Ducktales world decided that, nope I don't like apes, it's gonna be primarily birds, ducks specifically who turn human
But it's not only birds, there also mammals, both carnivores (I think more of those?) and herbivores, yet again, birds are still the majority.
So whatever it was that caused the evolution, my take is that it's more birds simply cause "birds" were just already far more wide-spread around the globe due to their natural flying abilities pre evolution. And Ducks, cause, Idk, ducks are everywhere.
Anyways, the "animals" were probably evenly hit by evolution in general, but a lot of other species (lions, tigers, subspecies like pandas) in the wild were bound by territory. Ergo, due to more birds existing all over the globe, more humans in the modern age ended up being part of bird species cause they were more wide-spread in the beginning due to pre-evolution times. Also certain areas having more dangers (stone age, bronce age, I'm not sure how the early ages are called) for humans then others being a reason why some species exist more than others. (Again, human lions or tigers might have not been able to build bigger civilizations in early history due to having animal lions or tigers as dangers) (I know lions and tigers do not live in the same are btw, even if it might sound like that)
Now... Birds are basically the top of society in the Ducktales universe. They are more. They are everywhere. They are much more dominant. And I have thoughts about discrimination and the irony of birds that are "prey" being the majority of Ducktales humanity, but I should not only make a separate post for this, but also really sort my words so this doesn't end up sounding to weird.
Going back to the society: It somehow happened that human animals and animal animals live together. And in a way mostly similar to us. Pets exist. Feeding ducks with bred crumbs is a thing (that scene is why I'm writing this post). And people eat cheese, milk, eggs and meat.
Now, I don't know which is weirder. A human dog having another animal dog as a pet (hello Goofy) or a chicken eating chicken soup? (Huey wanted to give Scrooge chicken soup while Gyro was sitting on his computer and he didn't react. I guess cocked/baked duck/geese/turkey is also being eaten) Does it not count as cannibalism if it's not a conscious human, or do chickens just not eat chicken, pigs no ham and so on?
I am very much aware that this is just a disney show, targeted to kids mostly, and that those characters are all animals because they've always been animals. But I'm going between things like Zoomania and Beastars where the whole humanised animals topic is actually being discussed and also used to cover racsim as a topic, to things like Sing and Kung Fu panda where everyone just simply is an animal cause it's animation marketed to kids. Then we have Ducktales. And well, Bigotry, discrimination and racism isn't the topic of this show, obviously. It's about adventures and familiar relationships and drama. WHICH IS GREAT. No question. But then you have Penumbra being weirded out at conscious ducks feeding non-conscious ducks, and the whole 4th wall break episode in season 3 showing us that at least some people were very much aware of the undiscussed implications a show with only animal people has. Even if it's supposed to be a silly kids show.
Feel free to comment under this and reblog, cause I would really wanna know what others people thoughts about this are and maybe discuss it a little bit.
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coern · 15 days ago
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ok au scenario where the tenmas are country kids (sort of) (in a "grew up in a moderately sized farming village" way) (rare fantasy-esque au setup where the tenmas arent royalty lol) (probably still rich tho) which you can tell if you look close enough. would they call their parents some shit like mother/father or something like mama/papa. this is a very important question
#encore au#<- yes this is about that#i can never escape them#i think in canon theyd be more casual with it. like mom/dad or something#mother/father would be funny though tbh#project sekai#<- for Reach#mama/papa is less likely but idk it just feels. better. in the specific dialogue/scene im thinking about#(post-clam conversation between tks/saki with ichinene eavesdropping)#from saki by the way. maybe its just a “grew up/processed their relationship with their parents differently” type of thing because i can im-#-agine tsukasa going like ���yes....my mother and father....i hope they were well after i....Left” all dramatic like#meanwhile saki (one of the many pre-clam characters whos had time to think about it) who also spent more time with their parents growing up-#-anyway#and was probably closer tbh? i mean tsukasa kinda just#left#their parents didnt really want him to go be a knight because of haha. well. Complications. (that i havent mentioned anywhere because im#still thinking about actually adding That to the plotline). not in a “i wont let you leave” way but in a “but youd break our hearts way”#like unintentionally guilt trippy with it#so he said bye to saki and left with the next draft. So Then hes got a weird relationship with them#meanwhile saki and hona+shiho and their parents were the only ones after that who really hung out with her#so shed be like pretty close with all of them#their parents were ofc busy a lot of the time but they spent as much time as they could with her#she remembers them better and more fondly#i didnt mean to rant that much oops. uh. anyway this turned into an analysis post i guess?#i might settle with they just call them different things#wgatever. does anyone else have thoughts on this matter#guys be honest if you died before being able to make up with your parents you distanced from yourself for years#then only came back (alive) after they and everyone they knew were long dead would you call them mother/father yes or no#(/silly)#lol this is so incomprehensible
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nneiljostenn · 2 years ago
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i need to talk to you guys about the colors of the Cattons (Felix specifically) and Oliver. the clothes they are wearing are telling the story of Oliver taking over and leaving his mark throughout the whole movie, with Oliver's failures and successes and a final triumph. holy shit. get in. this is long and ends in ancient greek culture trivia. let;s talk please.
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disclaimer: am starting from Oliver's arrival at Saltburn. before that the outfits are also very intentional, but it's a lot more complicated and it has been discussed before. the world distorts once we are at Saltburn and the story gets truly gothic there, and every detail—including color!—is enhanced in meaning. also, special thanks to @kivlaro for doing this with me, the thoughts on this specifically and the Saltburn craze on the whole. pics and detailed analysis under the cut!
let's start from the beginning. here is Oliver at the door. simple, blue shirt.
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the shirt is sort of its own character. logically it makes sense as Oliver's suitcase is small and he spends the whole summer there, of course he'll rewear stuff a bunch. but it is blue.
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in contrast to Felix, in yellow. yellow is one of Felix's colors (he is the sun, which i've talked about here btw, so this makes sense).
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same to Pamela, in blue. first time we see her, she is next to Elspeth, wearing the color that is Oliver's, taking the place that he takes right away, in this very scene. the only other time she is physically present on screen is at dinner, in black and white, and black and white are a blank slate. she is stripped of color and gone very fast.
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a bit of crucial data for later: Oliver, in blue, and Felix in pink. pink is very important on Felix. this is their first morning together. they are separate and opposite, solid, contained.
where it starts to get good is the morning after the vampire strike.
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Venetia is a Felix extension, just as everyone in the house is to Oliver. i will eventually rant about Saltburn as a whole entity and Cattons as aspects of one self, and Oliver as psychosis, but not here. so, yes, Venetia is a pink riot, a euphoria of self-containment because Oliver gave her a piece of something she felt she lacked to feel whole (validation, attention, care), not a piece of blue, of himself. Oliver is expectedly solid blue. Felix is incredibly interesting and something i didn't pay much attention to at first: predominantly blue, incredibly upset at Oliver for ditching him, with a tile of bright red (on the left! close to heart! over-reaching here but like still!), which still tracks. i mean, really, if i had so much foreign color bleed into me and then abandoned, i'd be pissed, too. nice little touch is sir James' beloved hydrangeas, behind Felix, also pink, very pink, always pink; i don't think i've seen them blue in the movie, although the sort exists.
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Farleigh. sweet baby Farleigh i love you. I'm not dead-set on my interpretation of this specifically but i think multiple things are happening with Oliver and Farleigh here. like Rent, which is their song, blue is their color of outsiders and the triers to fit in. Farleigh points out the favoritism and preference of Oliver to him and his mother here, so it may also be appropriation of color to draw attention to Farleigh as almost (but never quite) Oliver. it may also be as simple as that Farleigh, as much as he denies and resists, still retains Oliver's influence, which bleeds into him very slowly.
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a nice little moment of Felix wearing blue swim shorts with just tiny specks of a pink pattern. Oliver's shorts also have a bit of pink, but less than Felix's. Oliver is pretty good at remaining unaffected and uninfluenced overall.
and we're getting to where it all clicked and started for me. the Quick family house, the failed reconciliation, and the immediate aftermath. oh it's so good.
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on the drive there, Oliver is blue, Felix has a pink polo shirt with a solid blue pullover over it. this is the most blue Felix has ever been (this is the most blue he will ever be!), this is trust. however shaky and toxic it is, Felix loves Oliver and accepts him into his world. as a side note, Oliver's parents are also very blue, mom more so than dad. nice!
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and then it crashes. immediately after, it's the evening of the same day, but Felix is not wearing the blue pullover anymore. this is very, very important. this is rejection. it's the end for Oliver in Felix's world and with his trust. Felix, again, in solid pink, Oliver in solid blue. Felix successfully rips him out with the roots and everything. ouch.
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daddy. sorry. is that highlighter? sweat? fuck. let me- daddy. SORRY
no i actually have a point about this.
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the clothes are replaced by the lights, but we roll with it. Oliver basks in the blue-green light, while Felix is on the other side, in pink and purple and red. sure, blue shines through, and Oliver also walks through the slashes of pink, but it is mostly pretty separate, Oliver watching Felix's pink in his own blue from a distance.
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the morning after palette is deep. the wine color that is so prominent in these scenes is fascinating to me. if i were to over-reach again i'd say it's the Oliver in Felix's attributes and in his place that requires the robe to be so dark, not usual definite pink, because deep blue has leaked into the color itself, mixed with it, made itself integral to the shade. but it's also just a nice color, and it is pink in its core. the flowers (with sir James in the background) i think are also this specific shade for the same reason. you look at what remains of Felix everywhere here, and it is his color.
and finally oh the lunch scene. the last supper. the judgement day. the who's afraid of virginia woolf madness.
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i think we've established what's up with Oliver, but i also think it's important that he is his own color at lunch but in Felix's pink/wine right before and after. lunch is where he attacks, whereas before and after is where he grieves and enjoys. Farleigh is almost completely blue save for a strip of the same deep pink, and he is soon cast out, and Venetia is striped, blue and pink/salmon, affected deeply by Oliver yet still clinging on to the Catton pink with grief, probably, but also love for Felix.
and after all this, Oliver leaves himself.
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no, like, actually, literally himself. sure, he'd got a taste of the Cattons and the pink, but he is a monolith, a solid blue when he leaves Saltburn. he has not been affected by the house, he has taken what he wanted but stayed true and whole. what a power move, honestly.
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but it's an even bigger deal that 16 years later, Elspeth runs into Oliver wearing all white and a blue scarf. oh, she's not let this go, alright; it was a long time ago, "but not to me," she says. What Oliver has been up to in that time is a great question, without a doubt he's been keeping tabs on the remaining family as much as he could; but Elspeth has never moved on, either. She has held on to Oliver's blue and the pink is not important at all now. Oliver, of course, is invariably, unwaveringly blue. welcome back to his show.
and welcome back to his triumph.
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the only color (except for, again, white and black) we see him wear in the flashback about Saltburn inheritance is the all-too familiar deep pink. wine. bright pink mixed with deep blue.
now i will take a liberty and step back, over-reach, over-interpret and go insane. here's a fun bit on ancient greek culture trivia for you.
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this is an interesting and complicated historiographical and linguistic debate that i will not even attempt to relay here, but the essence of it is this: for us, the sea is conventionally deep blue. historically, one of the most prominent civilizations considered "deep wine" to be the descriptor for it (not necessarily the color but the property. highly rec to look this up it's so fascinating). what it gives me here is that Oliver has changed color, but not his self. he has integrated, mixed, but persisted, completely winning over, triumphing. long live the king!
in conclusion, i would just like to propose "colors" by halsey as the next cattonquick anthem. thank you for your attention, please let me know your thoughts. yours, yes, you. cheers. god. peace out
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cindersnows · 6 months ago
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the problem with mitsi (or as i like to call it. mitsogyny)
(context: this was written under a youtube video, which i'm sure most of us have at least seen pop up in our recommendeds, in response to many people taking criticism against the new episode. it has been edited a little to be more cohesive as a somewhat-essay)
ok, i wanted to write out a rant/essay/ramble/whatever sort of summarising the criticism against mitsi's plotline because a lot of the people here seem to be misunderstanding the fundamental issue that people have with it, including some of those people themselves.
first off, an analysis that i think tell both sides of the argument very well which i feel should be read before reading the essay: Mitsi: What Makes A Fridged Character (and why y'all are wrong about it) | an AvA essay by InksandPensblog. i will note: i don't care to discuss whether mitsi was fridged or not and that won't be of much importance in this post. the above link gives some insight into some of the fandom's criticism of mitsi and how she was "fridged", defining common tropes for examples. that's what's relevant to this post.
the main issue with mitsi, in my opinion, is less with the fact that mitsi's a girl and moreso the fact that she's one of the only female-coded character in the series, and that her character's main purpose was to further victim's own development. the other arguably female-coded character in the series is pink, who (like navy) only really exists to explain purple's motivations. i don't have much of an issue with that since they're not meant to be important or sympathised with at all. that's not their job in the story.
with mitsi, i've seen people point out that she has more character to her than just victim's love interest and supporter: she invents rocketcorp, she's smart, she's kind, innocent and helpful. narratively speaking, she shows other creations' relationships with their animators, parallels her innocence with victim's trauma, and introduces victim to the outernet (as most fans call the stick realm).
but most of this things imo are either stretches or invalid arguments. she's not really a 2/3-dimensional character in any way; her main character traits boil down to the fact that she likes to be in service of others with no nuance behind why she likes helping people. she hypes up victim for the villagers, she starts a company with him to share his talents with the world, and she helps him overcome his trauma from alan's torture. all of her main plot beats center around victim: and while technically the sticks are genderless and free to be interpreted however the viewer wants, alan and most of his team see all the main characters as male, and that subconciously affects how they're written. mitsi, the first major female-coded character, spends most of her storyline in service of victim, a character not written as female.
there's also the issue of her being victim's canonical love interest. i feel like this statement from alan is important to keep in mind (don't mind the sound effects and edits, this is the only isolated clip i can find at the moment). in particular:
"i just assume that [the ava/m characters] are just a bunch of bros]. i haven't thought of adding any female stick figures but i think it'd be good. i don't want to introduce any romance though, i don't want that to be a theme."
he seems to have changed his mind on that last part, which is fine, but the notable part for me is that he seems to associate female characters with romance from the getgo. before anyone misinterprets this, i'm not trying to call alan sexist or anything. but there's a common issue with women in stories being reduced to just a romantic partner for the male lead, and mitsi falls under this, with her entire character existing to serve victim. (not to mention people will make things about romance whether you like it or not. that's just basic fandom. search up grapeduo or chodark.) even her death is to put victim on the path of vengeance--- it doesn't need to happen to show the extent of tco and tdl's destruction, because that's already made pretty clear in ava s2 the flashback and the earlier scenes showing various characters escaping burning buildings. when you write a female-coded character whose only purpose is to serve a male character, you're contributing to sexist narratives.
a counter i see many people point out with the idea that she has no character is that she does have character traits, it's just that they're generic ones like "kind" and "innocent". the issue is that she has no flaws to counterpoint this; it's not that she didn't have enough screentime. in ava4 for example, we see tsc's flaws pretty clearly; they can be very mean when they want to, they're petty (albeit for a fair reason), they're a little impulsive. this is shown in 11 minutes (from the moment they come alive to the end of the video).
with mitsi meanwhile… she doesn't seem to have any flaws? she helps victim whenever she can. she's nice to all the villagers. her customers all like her and she's a great leader at rocket corp (to note, specifically as part of a pair with victim. they're a power couple, she's barely given credit for her work alone). she has 13 minutes of screentime, or 10 if you count from her waking up in the outernet. there's plenty of opportunities to show her having flaws; maybe she acts a little selfish during tdl and tco's attack, only wanting to help herself and agent smith, or maybe she overworks herself, or feels awkward at having too much attention (and that could also be why she redirects so much attention to victim, she's shy). you could argue that the episode needs to develop victim and agent smith too, but ava4 shows that's easy to do too: just a few seconds dedicated to showing rgyb fighting over who leaves first shows that they can be selfish and childish. it's very easy to insert a moment like that for mitsi.
it's a little disappointing when the first major female-coded character in ava is completely flawless, with no personality outside of being nice and helpful for others.
also, slightly unrelated, check out this quote from mitsi's plushie website: "her white featureless face seems to ooze mystery and feminine power all at the same time." her main character trait, as a woman, is being feminine. it's irritating as someone who's been raised a woman to see her reduced to just her gender. she feels more plastic than a person, like the concept of what a woman should be (perfect, kind, useful) and not an actual character/person.
i would expect more from the writing in the series seeing as it's not just an independent passion project anymore, and has multiple writers that all could've worked to flesh out mitsi, or at least get a sensitivity reader of sorts to point these issues out. it's extremely disappointing and i can understand why people were upset.
tldr: the problem isn't just that mitsi's a girl, or that she's nice or dating victim, it's that she's written in a misogynistic way.
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taro-bae · 7 months ago
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TWST Rant (!Spoilers!)
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I was wondering about the cast of twisted wonderland in regards to their wealth and status. The majority of the twst boys are well off and of high status, but the whole wealth system of twst varies. I was trying to place the cast in order of who might actually be the wealthiest, so this is a little analysis rant!
Wealth and status obviously vary, Royal wealth would obviously be considered more valuable, so I would say Malleus and Leona would be presumably the richest since they are direct decendants of royal families. Malleus considerably ranking 1st, in my opinion, since he is to inherit the throne as first prince, while Leona is the second prince and holds just slightly less power in terms of a hypothetical hierarchy.
We all know from book 6 that Idia (and ortho) is from the Shroud family and will inherit the household and STYX. His grandmother was the original director of STYX that was later passed down to Idia's father. The organisation is highly influential and it is speculated for the Shroud family to be as rich if not more than the Asim family.
After Idia, I would put Kalim. We aren't exactly sure who is actually wealthier between the two but I would say the Shroud family directing STYX would be more influential on a larger scale. Kalim is born to a merchant family, I feel like some of the fandom collectively considers him a prince, but that is simply not true. Kalim is from a very wealthy family of merchants with some royal relatives, but he himself, if not royal in any ways. Kalim himself states "the Asims aren’t royalty, and I’m not a prince. I’ve got some relatives in the royal family, though.” The Asims are clearly very well off with many connections (even how kalim was accepted in NRC through his place being payed for presumably, most likely for connection since the family are merchants).
The following is more tricky for me to place. Vil is a different kind of rich, scaling more of fame and popularity. He's a world-known model with a famous actor father. He is from a privileged status in the show bizz and made a name for himself. We know that he's well travelled and known, from a young age his father always took him all over the world to establish connections and so on. However, I also see Rook being not that far off him in terms of wealth. Rook doesn't exactly have the same level of fame as the other characters, but the Hunt family has Villas in EVERY country within TWST. In Book 6, Rook suggested to MC and Epel to use warp pads or transporters from one of the villas to a closer destination. The transporter situation, according to Epel, is a big deal that requires permission to even have, let alone in every country. So Rook is of very high wealth and has direct ties to the government but is less talked about in that regard compared to other characters. So I don't know if he would be higher than Vil? It's possible.
Riddle is from a noble family with parents who are doctors. I would say they are rich. It is speculated by some that Riddle could somehow be tied to the Queen of Hearts, but it's not specified that he's royalty anywhere. Azul, in my opinion, would follow after. His family does make money, his mother owning a restaurant and stepfather being a lawyer. Azul himself runs Montre Lounge on campus as well as his shady deals. Azul is more bussiness wealthy out of the boys. I would asign Floyd and Jade alongside him. Even running of the fact that Floyd legit has top branded shoes in his vignette. I speculate that Floyd and Jade might actually be wealthier than that (I love the Mafia headcanons), and Jade is able to get expensive gifts and stuff. I wouldn't go as far to say that the Leech family is totally loaded, but they are definelty powerful within the Coral Sea.
The rest of the list is hard to place and up for debate.
Lilia has the advantage of being the oldest of the cast living for over 700 years and being a general to the royals. He has direct ties to Malleus, but I can't exactly place where he would be. In terms of hierarchy, he's a bat type of fae, which we're considered lower class in the fae community at the time, so he would have been seen as less by other members of his society. But he most likely has connections and ties. Dare I say if he wanted to sell his artifacts, he'll definelty be hella rich, lmao.
Clover family, I think they are a typical working class family. They have their own bakery bussiness but work constantly according to Trey, so that must mean they have income but one that you have to keep working for. Trey talks about that when they were busy, he would cook or get his younger brother tickets to spelldrive on allowance money and that parents would stock up on ingredients. Based on that, I would say Trey is off on a more "enough" to live a sustained lifestyle type of money. Like a more casual type of family with a few children (again, children need more money to be sustained)
Next, I would place all the connected working characters like Sebek, Silver, and Jamil. This seems considerably low, but hear me out. They are not exactly poor characters. They are very directly connected to noble people, though. Sebek has a military connected family right under Draconias' command as well puts both silver and him fairly high up. They are not independently wealthy but can experience more luxury lifestyles because of who they serve. Their status consists of being guards of a royal persona. Therefore, they hold a portion of recognition. Jamils case is complicated. The Viper family is born into servitude and are highly dependent on them in that manner. In a way, they could be counted as "working class," but I beg to differ in a way. Working for the Asim does benefit living standards and experiences, for example, even with being able to access better quality foods, living style, etc. It obviously comes with the downside like jamil risking his life for kalims safety (e.g., being a posion tester and constantly doing labour). In a way, despite not having personal property like Kalim, Jamil is still exposed to more luxurious items, products, etc. And it's hard to judge where he is on the richest ranking because he's directly bound to Kalim, almost like a hypothetical "contract" he's born into. More of being born into a rich environment but not being wealthy himself.
Lastly, poor baby Ruggie. Ruggie, being born in poverty, in the slums is the only character in NRC who is specified to be poor. Being born in poverty with his parents both dying early on, he was surrounded by other slum children who he considers siblings and often had to fight for food.He survived through hustling different jobs later on to work his way up. We know he hustles at Montre Lounge and for Leona to make any money and does try to make a bargain for any opportunity. Out of the entire cast, Ruggie is canonically poor.
Epel,Jack, Ace, Cater, and Deuce are ones who are a bit more confusing because they have less information on them. I've been thinking about Jack. His status is not exactly clear, and I can't find any evidence to pinpoint his social standing much. I would place him above Ace. In my analysis, I considered that Jack met vil when they were children, and i think Jack could even be higher on the list. i just can't find anything to clarify that. I would assume vil would have lived in a fairly well-off environment since he was a kid, so the neighbourhood must have been at least middle class or something. Just running off that, I would say Jack might be more middle class to average. He does have multiple siblings that need money to sustain. Ace states before to azul in a luxe couture vingette that he can't "afford the high-brand clothes." So I would say he's off a more average family type of income. With in this rank, I would also place Epel. He did mislead his dormates into believing that he's a noble and Vil suggesting epel to not use his dialect to not give away his actual position. His family aren't mages, which maybe within twisted wonderland would be lower class. But they are farmers from Harveston. Harveston isn't well known but does produce apples that does provide them with some form of trade and income for sure. Cater talks of not having enough money sometimes, but he's a very dual type of character that tends to mask things a lot. I think he's maybe just above average, actually. He claims to occasionally not have money. Someone let me know his father is a banker, but it's unclear how much the Diamond family actually owns or makes, but I think he hides his true position. We know Deuce has a mother who works with the White Rabbit logo trade chain. There's no indication to pinpoint where the Spade family is at, so I would also say around average. We know Deuces father walked out on them so Dylla is the working mother, I'm assuming the family is also a type to have enough money to live but no extra to spend (on stuff like luxury items). Deuce definitely got his wallet up after fixing Malleus's tamagochi and getting some pricey gems from him.
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If you know any information on some characters, feel free to share!
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feral-witch-hat · 2 months ago
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Turbo Tastic Nightmare Fuel
Okay, so, I watched a certain 2 hour video by a bird about a certain twist villain.
Disney's GREATEST Modern Villain: a Turbo/King Candy Analysis by Randomalistic ( @randomalistic you are fantastic and helped me re-discover my love for this movie, so thank you for that) go watch it is AMAZING.
And a part of that I especially liked was the analysis of the Turbo reveal, and going about it scene by scene.
However, I re-watched that scene myself, slowed down, and I found some... rather interesting shots that I haven't really seen anyone talk about to say the least. I'll post them, and under some of them I have little rants, mostly for the ones I like the most or found most interesting from a creative standpoint.
So, I introduce to you, Turbo-Tastic Nightmare fuel!
Without further ado ~
(quick side note, if some of images don't load right just try clicking on them, they are screenshots and I know tumblr doesn't like loading those a ton)
The monster is hinted at (AKA Malice towards a 9 year old);
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A frame afterwards, we see him MELT back into his King Candy Persona;
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Seriously, this scene has a lot of body horror elements to it. Like if they were not split second cuts and they were drawn out more, then I doubt this movie would still have this same rating it does, like, DUDE;
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(I like how during this sequence we literally see his character models overlapping. If you mod games, especially characters, then this is a pretty common error that can occur if I'm correct. I've mostly seen it in mods of Skyrim, were a vanilla character is given a new skin, but the skin can clip and you see the original underneath.
I feel as though this scene is also a reminder that, despite his appearance, that is still Turbo underneath the King Candy façade. Modding a new skin onto a vanilla character is essentially just putting a costume on them, and here we see the costume start to rip to shreds.)
Now on a less horrific note;
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH-
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Well at least his tongue isn't yellow;
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(I know this implies his lisp, but I think its way funnier to think Turbo's enough of a sore loser to stick his tongue out at a little girl)
Jaw Dropping;
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Man's looks like he's been half modded into Roblox;
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(another side not, but I love how Turbo's absolute hatred is kept consistent in his expressions, no matter how glitchy or blink and you'll miss it they are. Like they could have just taken the lazy route and have him glitch so much you don't see his face, but to go the extra mile is lovely.)
Here's another example of that;
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(I think this is probably my personal fav for two reasons. 1; the determined and equally as pissed off look Vanellope has. And 2; how Turbo is basically half and half here.
I'm a sucker for split faced/multi headed monsters in media, especially if they have symbolic meaning. Not only does this look sick as hell, but it does have that symbolism;
While not a perfect 50/50 split, here the façade Turbo tried so desperately to keep up is melting away. Literally. Turbo's complexation is taking up most of King Candy's face, the mask is slipping off, while the true face is inching it's way on.)
His head looks like its about to crush his body dear lord;
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I love it when family media can get away intense body horror;
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(Again we have the melting here, now with a dash of blocky pixals. I don't know how physical of a sensation glitching is, but I feel like this would be insanely painful. Imagine feeling blocks popping in and out of your body, before smoothing back down into skin, like that can not be comfortable.)
I find this shot more funny than horrifying;
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( I wanna honk his stupid nose).
Live Candy citizens reaction;
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(I like here that we can see the pixals that make up Turbo's body, float around his head, as if his own body parts don't even know what to do now that his covers been blown.)
Pixalated and still pissed off;
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( I still love how they chose to show his pixelated form to add onto his scariness ((or yuckiness I should say)) and, yeah, it does it's job well.)
Holy shit;
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(Combined with Vanellope's expressions and desperate struggle here, this is just flat out horrifying, and adds onto the prior point I made.)
I could play checkers on his teeth;
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Suddenly don't want to honk his nose anymore;
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When you forgot to wear a matching hat with your fit (smh);
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(since glitching is partially emotional based in the movie, I like to think his pixels flying off him shows his rage towards Vanellope and in that moment, he can't keep himself together anymore.)
Another favorite shot, mostly because I paused here when I was a kid and it horrified me;
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Live Felix and Ralph Reaction;
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Bro is s h o o k ;
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(Also I never noticed here how he throws the pole away, I dunno why my brain never put that together.)
Bamboozlement;
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(One of the few times he actually looks distressed ((beside the Cybug scene that follows and end of the movie of course))
I saw this in the video essay too, but bros just, gone;
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TURBO POGGIES???!?!?;
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Trying to put the mask back on;
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(Despite being caught and happily revealing who he really is, his body is still attempting to put his disguise back on. It's probably just the glitch being uncontrollable, but after this the costume will never fit the right way again.)
And, to finish off this already ridicoulously long post off, we have one of the most creepy shots that I can't beleive are in a goddamn disney movie;
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Sadly im at my picture limit, but I still can't get over how amazing this scene is. I doubt they thought anyone at the time would go by this scene shot by shot, frame by frame, but they still took the time to make this scene as creepy as possible while staying in the Family Friendly zone. Well, I doubt any kid watching this will notice the last shot without pausing, and if they accidentally do, may God save their soul because I doubt they are going to be sleeping soundly the next few days.
Again, thank you to a certain amazing parrot for awaking one of my oldest hyperfixations and helping me see this masterpiece in a new light that old me would have never thought of!
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casscainmainly · 4 months ago
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What do you think of how WFA is currently using Duke so far? On the one hand bringing in We are Robin is good but on the other hand I feel like it they still are sidelining him. He's still benched and sure they brought in We are Robin but it felt like they were more used for Damian and his story, and they had Duke set up this support system but we've seen others like Steph doing more with it and really interacting with it. I feel like them say introducing We Are Robin but like making interact more with Damian and be there for his story is like "see we read Duke, now here's the other characters we really want to focus"
I've fallen behind on WFA for a few weeks so I just caught up! And. Yeah. I have thoughts. (Also again disclaimer I don't have FastPass so this is based on the free eps as of now).
In August last year I did an analysis of Duke Thomas in WFA, where I outlined my gripes. Then, in December, I praised the We Are Robin-centric episode. Right after, I wrote about how the next episode was making me a little wary but I was still optimistic.
Just outlining this to demonstrate that my feelings on WFA bounce back and forth a lot, but I do think it can do better and it has done better. So I'm gonna read on (because it's the only consistent place for Duke content, and because I like the Batgirls in it enough), but long story short: I'm pissed.
(Putting a rant under the cut; if you're enjoying S3 of WFA, I'm genuinely happy for you! I'm going to take a more negative stance than usual though so don't read if you don't want to hear that stuff).
Okay first of all the benching. All the way back in August I complained about Duke being benched, in a season that started with his kidnapping and revolves around the Joker. At the time I was hopeful he'd be unbenched, but it's been 34 eps and he's STILL BENCHED!! Even if he's unbenched in the FastPass eps I don't have, it's still ridiculous that he was out of the field for that long.
What happened when canon Duke got injured I wonder??
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Oh yeah, in the Cursed Wheel he SNUCK OUT!!! Because he has agency!!!! What's frustrating about benching Duke for the entirety of S3 so far is that Duke, at his core, is a character of action. From his very first appearance in Zero Year, he's defined by an absurd amount of agency, wanting to fight the Riddler (then finding his parents, then joining WAR, then becoming Signal). A Duke that sits by for THIRTY FOUR EPISODES is NOT DUKE THOMAS!!!
But he's broken his arm, right? It makes sense for him to be benched?? Well first of all it was WFA's CHOICE to break his arm, a choice I do not think added anything to Duke's character or to Bruce's paranoia (which was clearly the entire point of Duke's kidnapping in the first place). Secondly, another character was injured in a fight with the Joker and benched. Another character who REJOINED THE FIELD IN 16 EPISODES!!!!
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Dick gets injured in #130 and goes back out in #146. That is under half of how many episodes Duke's been benched for, AND Dick got injured in a fight against Joker. Duke didn't even get to fight!!! He didn't get to do anything!!! Dick's injury was also stupid, but the way WFA handled his benching versus Duke's is worlds apart, and shows to me how much less they respect Duke than the others.
Also can I just say how gross it was to use Duke's kidnapping merely to kickstart the plot? An astonishing 14 episodes pass before we get any mention of how Duke feels (in #132, he says he has nightmares). Then another 11 eps pass before we get to him talking to Lucius + calling WAR. That nightmares thing is never followed up on either! In #124 and #132, Duke's dialogue functions to further the plot or other characters - in #124, Duke justifies the others going out, and in #132, he helps Bruce through his feelings. Even when the episodes are about him, they are not about him!!! I genuinely think only 2 eps out of this entire season haven't used Duke as a prop for someone else.
I'm going to briefly detour to discuss #132 because I loathe that episode. In Homebound, Bruce visits Duke and they play Battleship (it was cute. fine. whatever). And then Bruce offers to hear Duke out on how he feels. Smash cut to:
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ARE YOU SERIOUS??? We spent more than 3 episodes on Jason's PTSD, but we couldn't even spend a single panel on Duke talking about his own trauma???? Whether or not you liked the Jason bits this season, he had a moment. Babs also has her moment, and a whole ep is spent with just her and her dad. Duke, of the 3 Bats that have the biggest associations with the Joker, never gets to fully express how he feels. This off-panel cop-out is honestly kind of insulting.
Another detour: the kidnapping ep. We finally get Duke's full backstory after TWO WHOLE SEASONS (besides a brief mention in #76), and it was just not good. Besides the fact that Duke's kidnapping is, as I've mentioned, just a way to get the plot moving, I don't like the way WFA handles his parents:
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What on EARTH are you talking about. This feels like a justification for Duke having never mentioned his parents before, but it's completely untrue to Duke's canon character. Sure, he thinks about his parents more than he talks about them, but WFA Duke never thinks about them either!! This narration box just riles me up whenever I think about it.
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I was a bit nicer to this part in my first analysis, but no this part just straight up sucks. First off, I don't believe canon!Duke fears being turned into "something like [his parents]". In Cursed Wheel, he more or less comes to terms with how his parents are: "every horrible thing coming out of [my parents'] mouths? They're actually telling me how much they love me. [...] Let them stay." WFA always picking the weirdest things (becoming like his parents, his powers) for Duke to be scared about!
Secondly, this part juxtaposes the 'horror' of becoming like his parents ("something like them") and the wonderful, beautiful vision of "home": Bruce Wayne. Not only is this in direct defiance of Duke's canon character, it just strikes me as an odd and mean-spirited comparison. It essentially erases Duke's parents from his vision of 'home', just to fit him into the Wayne nuclear family.
But to get to the actual topic of the ask: We Are Robin. I still think the We Are Robin ep (#144) is the best Duke in the entirety of WFA, but did things improve afterwards? Did we focus on the WAR kids, their relationship to Duke, or their overall relationship to Robin? Nope. Turns out WAR, like Duke, was a prop for Damian!!
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Damian is too harsh in training the Robins, so Duke intervenes. Damian stomps off and has a heart-to-heart with Jon, during which he admits he was trying to prove himself as Robin by training WAR. I actually like this premise!!! Duke and Damian have always had a contentious relationship to each other's Robins, and it makes TOTAL sense for Damian to be dismissive of WAR and think of it as a way to 'prove' himself. The problem is we did this already. TOM KING did it, in Robin War!!!
This is literally a microwaved TK story with worse writing and less nuance. In Robin War, we explored the way Damian dismisses Duke + WAR, both Duke and Damian's feelings of inadequacy around being Robin, and both of them eventually finding common ground and accepting each other. This arc is that except we cut out Duke's perspective. Now, it's all about Damian's feelings about Robin, and nothing about Duke or WAR's relationship to the mantle!
I cannot stress enough that this is a worse version of Robin War, and Robin War isn't even that good!!!
By centering We Are Robin's appearance on Damian, we lose about 99% of WAR's relationships to each other (and especially to Duke). The only specific relationship we see is Duke and Izzy blushing around each other. No acknowledgement of the Dre-Duke beef, the Riko-Duke crush, Dax-Dre friendship, these are a bunch of extras in a movie about Damian Wayne I guess.
You get absolutely no sense of who Izzy, Riko, Dre, or Dax are. The only thing you learn about them is that they're incompetent!
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It's been a couple of episodes and they've been beaten TWICE. I get that they're not the main characters, but compared to the Outlaws or other affiliated teams, WAR is portrayed as ineffectual. And both times it's for Damian's sake. This is so frustrating because Damian + WAR is a really interesting relationship, but because WFA never focuses on WAR's feelings or reactions, it doesn't feel like an equal conflict. It feels like Damian vs. some cardboard cutouts.
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WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??? Why aren't they even a tiny bit mad at Damian for either Robin War (WHICH DID HAPPEN BECAUSE WE ARE ROBIN IS CANON HERE) or what he did to them literally a few eps ago?? You know what, why aren't they mad at DUKE for ghosting and abandoning them?? They mention very briefly at the start that it's 'all good', but why??? Is it because WFA is not invested in their feelings??? Is it because we don't have space to explore even a modicum of Duke's story??????
Having a We Are Robin plot not focused on Duke Thomas or even We Are Robin is so upsetting, especially because the WAR ep was genuinely grounded in canon. Like you said in the ask, it does feel like they put that in there just to prove they've read WAR. What is clear to me now is that, though they've read the run, they didn't understand it. They did it for a perfunctory 'here's some Duke stuff' and never bothered to be interested in any of these characters' stories.
Because we should have gotten Duke's side of things. Damian gets an entire ep to talk to Jon and another to prove himself by fighting Joker, and Duke gets a few panels where he's like 'Damian don't usurp my training I forgive you though'. Season 3 has come the closest to giving WFA!Duke some depth, and because it comes the closest, it also fails the hardest. I still have hope that Duke will get some moments in this season, but I'm losing hope that it will make up for his treatment at all.
Apparently an upcoming Cass ep isn't great so they're really attacking me personally at this point. Idk what gets me is that for some people, this is their first exposure to Duke and WAR. For some people this is and will continue to be their only exposure. And it's this watered-down, uninteresting, bland, prop version of him that just is not the Duke Thomas I know and love.
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haithhegimp · 3 months ago
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batfamily headcanons please 🤲
ooohh i don't think i have like especially unique or cool headcanons but im happy to share them! thank you so so much for asking!!!! most of my headcanons are inconsistent/change based on what fits for the story im writing/art im making but here are some of my common ones!!
Bruce
When I feel like writing/thinking about Good Dad Bruce:
autistic as Fuck. his special interest is crime fighting.
bisexual but thought that everybody was until he started crafting personas to fit social norms and was like "Huh"
(part headcanon, part character analysis, and lmk if you want a rant about this) uses batman as a form of grieving and part of the reason he continues being batman is a fear of losing his grief
When I feel like writing/thinking about Bad Dad Bruce:
genuinely thinks that hitting his kids is fine
narcissist
control issues
Alfred
his waffles are bad on purpose, he gives them to the batfam when they have pissed him off
used to accidentally fuck bruce up when he was starting out as batman because alfred is used to being a field medic and having to rush his work
(and when i feel like writing bad guardian alfred) neglectful/abuse enabler
Dick
he CAN cook and he DOES cook, he just sometimes... forgets to get everything he needs and would rather eat instant shit to save time
travels regularly because he never grew out of that from circus life
does handstands when he needs to think about something really hard
size kink (kori)
learned how to whistle like an actual robin for funsies
was NOT a good kid in school but very much acted like it and had amazing grades so teachers couldn't blame him when he fucked shit up
needs to have some kind of white noise/background noise to fall asleep
???? sexuality where everyone thinks he's bisexual and he'll get with whoever he likes but also has absolutely no clue what to call himself
tim and damian are his favourite siblings
most acrobatic in the family (obviously)
Babs
control freak (affectionate <3)
coffee addict but for a very specific Kind of coffee and gets offended when others make jokes about her liking the wrong kind
autistic as FUCK. her special interest when she was younger was batman. not sure what it is now though.
bisexual
weirdo who doesn't move at all in her sleep. like she'll go to bed lying down unreasonably straight and wake up in the exact same position
smartest in the family (bruce is a close second though) (and obviously best with tech but thats not a competition in the slightest)
Jason
part afro-brazillian from willis' side
loves all of his parents :(
no all-caste (im so sorry i think theyre very cool but i like jason more without it)
wasn't in the theatre club but wanted SO badly to be
sucked at history but was an academic angel in everything else
food insecurity and hoarding tendencies
amazing at cooking
likes learning languages for fun
insecure as hell in general
??? sexuality where everyone thinks hes straight and/or ace but he's so down bad for literally anyone who is remotely hot and nice to him
music taste can Never stay the same but its always things that are super intense in one way or another. whether that's emotions or energy or production, it just has to be intense in some way.
neat freak about his personal spaces
best brawler in the family (and best shot but thats less of a competition)
Cass
(after she's learned how to talk) likes going nonverbal when one of the batfamily pisses her off and accuses them of ableism (lightheartedly) whenever they try to get her to talk to them
has fun trying new foods. she likes new foods
tim and duke are her favourite siblings
when missions are easy and she knows no one will get hurt, she likes doing things in unnecessarily cool and flashy ways to make the others jealous (they are Not as good as her)
the best physical fighter in the family
genuinely doesnt realise how fucked up she is half of the time
loves all of her parents :(
gay. homosexual. lesbian. the most gay ever. women lover Ever. you will not find a single girl more down bad for girls than cass. (also vaguely on the ace spectrum)
Steph
secretly/unknowingly an academic whiz but has adhd and dyslexia and/so the school system fucked her over
genuinely doesnt realise how fucked up she is most of the time. likes to say that shes the "normal (and funny) one" and the rest of the batfam will side eye her and her trauma so hard
the best prankster Ever. no one can beat her.
#1 bruce hater (jason is a very close second)
jack of all trades (and second best brawler. if she had jason's size then they'd be equal)
bisexual but falls so hard for whoever she's crushing on that she goes through phases of thinking "maybe i am actually straight/gay"
really not consistent but sometimes i like headcanoning her as a trans girl
guilty hatred for blues clues. as in she's seen clips and people talking about the show, and she thinks that it seems nice, but she absolutely refuses to watch a single episode or interact with it. she doesn't like it but feels bad about not liking it.
Tim
sometimes people mistake him for having narcolepsy
part vietnamese
listens to nightcore and vocaloid (kaito is his fav)
dick is his favourite sibling
disaster bisexual in every meaning of the phrase imaginable
surprisingly good at cooking (he likes doing it for relaxation)
has like 15 different puzzle/brain-teaser games on his phone and is on level like 5000 on all of them
best at detective work in the family
Duke
i actually know so little about him its a crime. so i barely have any headcanons :(( i am learning slowly!!!!!! but yeah these hc's are probably really ooc
cass is his favourite sibling
hates being the only one on the dayshift
he and babs are child genius buddies
has the most batshit (ba dum tss) insane ideas that he spouts out of absolutely nowhere
??? sexuality in the way that he's only dated girls so far but thinks gender can fucking die in a ditch
Damian
wonder pets enjoyer and would die before admitting it
literally looks in the dictionary to find new things to say
absolutely no one knows how and where he picked up a slight british accent, not even himself
gets accidentally rich off of commissions when he started doing them for fun
he is That Kid you see worked on shit in movies as a cameo artist and youre like "HOLY FUCK A TEEN MADE THAT????"
has watched all of the lion king tv shows and has Strong Opinions about them
horrible insomnia/sleep deprivation that absolutely no one notices until he starts stumbling and wobbling and the fam is like "damian when the fuck was the last time you slept in more than 1 hour bursts"
anime enjoyer
young and still figuring shit out but like thinks he might be demiro aspec
hope this was interesting if you read the whole way through, lmk what your own headcanons are!!! and have a wonderful day anon <3
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sidesteppostinghours · 2 months ago
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Reblog with your favorite tags people have left about your oc.
#GOT SO EXCITED WHEN I SAW THIS#WAS HAVING QN ALL AROUND BAD DAY SO SEEING THIS MADE ME PERK UP#THANK YOU FOR ASKING THIS#i went to go look through my stuff immediately#i have a lot more on cyrus since he tends to play well (in a (good) bad way) with other steps#so i just talk about him more on principle#i also Love hearing about how people enjoy cecilia#actually before i dive into a rant#pulp speaks#caine lynzal#cyrus becker#cecilia rider#cynthia garcia#anyway i love hearing peoples thoughts on cecilia its so much fun#and in general its always interesting to me the different ways that people interact with each of my steps#like im trying to approach this analysis as neutrally as possible here lmfao but the way i see it it tends to be a reflection of how i treat#-my steps#caine seems to be the staple of my account (which makes sense ive been insane about him from the very start)#but i think people have more of an idea of how they Think rather than how they Act because thats the most interesting part of caine to me#idk if people know that he outwardly he literally has the same demeanour as chen but the no thoughts head empty version of him lmfaooooo#cyrus on the other hand#hes basically the golden child for Several reasons#hes the one whos the most fun to make interact with other steps because hes very fitting to the sidestep mold wo being like. idk. too-#-annoying about it? does that make sense? idk i just know hes a lot better with other steps so people naturally know more abt him by virtue-#-of me doing the equivalent of pushing him to talk at daycare#cecilia is just! so much fun! like ive talked about it before but its So fun to see how shes got people wrapped around her finger (for lack-#-of better word) because bitch Me Too. shes so charming and can act so sweet to the point it can distract from the fact that actually yeah#she can be kind of an asshole if she wants to be. i talk about her less too so she pretty much just steals the show and disappears w nobody-#-the wiser#and people just dont know as much abt cynthia because i dont post as much about her
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