#to subz saving zam from mane

[mcytegg]

of everyone in the entire server, even BEFORE mapicc, it was subz who came in and saved zam from the person hunting him and killing him repeatedly i feel sick I HATE IT HWRE

[acloudinspace]

That zam stream was genuinely so fucking good I might liveblog them now cause hoooolllyy shit. From the eclipse fed convo with wiping the blood off his face at Vitalisy’s house in the beginning TO the Huge fight TO Mapicc and Zam having their confrontation TO Mane and Zam’s convo about their role in maintaining the server TO the trap just barely missing TO SUBZ OF ALL PEOPLE logging on to save Zam TO Bacon and Mapicc (the fucking abyss) the next and only others to help him TO Zam saying he will be okay with himself if he starts killing by the end of the season, plus taking the bandage off his face

[zylian]

vod watching the bacon zam talk and realizing they have no idea of why subz did what he did 2 seasons in a row was because of subzs relations with his teammates and the intricate yet heavy responsibility placed on him by them and their adjacent allies

the importance talks with vi and red that no one will ever know about

the way he was demeaned to his pvp therefore having him contorted into becoming only for his pvp which made him able to throw sand in the face of those who reach for him again

the deals he made with vi, his respect towards certain players, his revenge plans that carried seasons over, the way he argued about saving jumper to vi when he wasn’t her teammate, he wasn’t vi’s teammate yet he had to help to prevent her from being spawn killed, the way he was dragged into reds ideals in both seasons from clowns deal to fighting mane to being almost thrown into helping the phantoms

the silencing and blatant ignorance to his opinion, for his skills to be devalued yet he was expected to give

for his only wish to finally be allowed to lose hearts and let himself lose yet every teammate forbade him from it, always wanting him to live

to live with no happiness but to be covered in blood, hunted regardless and opinions placed for him to follow blindly

oh subzs pov is so precious to me even if it’s known through whispers and background tales to others

the way willerhide on lsn vowed to not hurt him even if they were no longer teammates, to allow him to stay there in his base and do nothing with full access to everything and refused to kill him even if it was a joke and had no meaning, the respect he held for him and anger in his voice for the hurt he went through from others

the way that standard he had for others were never appreciated or acknowledged at all until he was on lsn

gawd the lsers won’t know and probably will never know cause the time has passed for them

to be used as a weapon, to be seen as a weapon to those closest and the second he leaves he finds players whos baseline of care is beyond anything anyone else had in words and action

he was hurt and he cared, he cared way too much for his own good that he didn’t even recognize it

he has his legacy written, poured through many seasons with many other players, s6 does not define him, all it did was confirm him being used and than once he left his feelings/motives for his prior actions were questioned

gawd

I’m glad zam clocked the main parts tho, with getting the server to care about spawn even if they didn’t clock the trying to move to the next season part with an unfixable and miserable spawn

oh I mourn sun shield but they only properly exist to me in s4 and that’s where my mind will lay for them with no expectations going forward

I hope he rests well away from the hell it is on the priv server

[coffeegnomee]

gnome save me gnome save me gnome save me gnomesavw me,,,, 4c revealed a bit more abt prism by showing a secret room and its prismS now. new s!!! i immediately thought of u bc u are smart and u love these sort of things :D

- mcytegg 🥹

Ahhhhhh Veni Tegg Mcytegg I've been so busy with life I totally missed 4c updates until just now. ty ty ty for pointing it out.

I agree with the posts I just looked up about what people (and you) were saying about the flowers and colors and letters. I think the general consensus of it being the first letters of the names of people that 4c is doing this trust thing with is accurate. Colors and flower colors symbolizing mc skins. Princezam, Rekrap (sooooorry. It would be so cool if it was Ro. but ro is too purple looking and 4c has a better connection with Rek. and Rek's hoodie has bright blue), Itzsubz, Squiddo, Manepear, Spoke are my vote for the people.

My thoughts besides that:

The room was split in the middle with grass on one side and dead bushes on the other.

That puts Zam, Rek, and Subz on the growing side and Squiddo, Mane, and Spoke on the dead side. Plausibly the people who create vs the people who destroy. (shoutout Jay marshmarrows for that distinction)

Given the timeline of when 4c likely designed this room, subz was not making wardens and destroying spawn. But it was after Mane destroyed spawn even though imo he added Mane to this list from his very early season actions of protecting the chunguses of the server. Clown called him "mr. morality" in the early weeks of the server bc he would only kill people who killed defenseless players.

Which brings me to how spoke was seemingly added only after this room was made, the original signs being prism, not prismS. like you said.

I was a fan of spoke being on the original list bc of the clues squiddo dropped of spoke giving them the bugbombs and spoke alluding to making someone else into the server villains, ie FOCUS. But with the black S being last, that does feel like he was added last.

OR he added Squiddo last so that the room was even on both sides, but potentially wanted to de-emphasize them and emphasize spoke, since you see the Spoke and Zam flowers first and it's quite a nice dramatic look, the white oxyeye daisies and jet black wither roses. And it's so poetic for season 3.

I didn't like squiddo on the original list bc they're already on FOCUS and cube doesn't seem to be on this list at all and I dont like that cause of how 4c so specifically keeps saying he's loyal to FOCUS over everything else. So if one is on this list why are both not on this list ESP since this list was created after the start of the server. But Cube isn't involved as much and Squiddo has some devious sounding possible plans that keep cropping up, that possibly lead to destruction, so it makes sense for them to be on this list over Cube, esp with how this room is designed to be. (also squiddo's ign is TheRealSquiddo. not Squiddo. and the rest are ign first letters, Itzsubz and princezam. so that's also why I think they were added in for this new room rather than being included in the first)

So we have Zam and Rek being the main contenders for people who would save the season (and subz before his wardens) vs the three people who are the main contenders that would end the season.

But it is Fascinating to note how my original thought of the I in prism being i, me, like 4c is now thrown totally out because it's not in the middle anymore now that there's a second S.

Now 4c himself stands in the middle, and the "altruistim" sign stands in the middle, tearing the room in half between grass and dead bushes. "the practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others." Not interested in if they deserve it or not. Not worried about himself. Only concerned with the well-being of them, but tearing himself apart in the process, leaving him wondering "who am I", thrown across the grown in colorful refractions.

And to do that he had to add an S. it's interesting to watch this concept develop in real time, while still sticking to the original idea.

Which brings me to the design of the room.

Behind each letter is a massive red pillar that waves in and out, and I jokingly described them as umbilical cords until that descriptor made more sense than it didn't. As red pillars they immediately look evil, but I would be surprised if this arc had any evil ideas behind it. The pillars attach to the ceiling, and the whole room is shaped like a cave.. or womb.

Umbilical cords give nutrients and life to the in-utero baby, all while the baby doesn't have any idea what's happening. One could say, in a weird way, 4c is giving life and aid to these players like a mother gives life and her body to the growing child in her womb.

Or they just look cool. idk.

But connecting all the 6 supposed members together with the same umbilical cord-like structures is an odd visual for how 4c views how these players are connected. Even despite which side of the room they're on.

They're not just connected to him through the giant Prism in middle of the room, made, for instance, out of a light blue stained glass (for him). If anything he IS the prism in the center, the blue object that refracts the light into different colors, revealing the hearts of those he helps.

No. They're connected to each other through the same red pillars. Or he could have easily designed each pillar with the blocks he used for the letters: each block chosen has both slabs and blocks so the detailing would have been possible. Or just not used red.

There's also this theme of redstone ores and using red dye for the "nothing is ever as it seems" sign. idk why but the redstone ores in the walls of the daisy room have always stuck out to me.

And now there's a red sign. In stark contrast to the blue-ink and white-ink signs of the daisy room.

And there's red pillars.

"nothing is ever as it seems"

Is that 4c's actions are never as it seems: that nobody on the server understands his pov.

Or that these clues are all red herrings. (RED. waiiiit)

but if Nothing is as it seems, what's the point of any of this clue giving. And yet if you just look at the letter/flower/color clues Everything seems to be Exactly As It Seems. There are literally no other lifestealers these colors could symbolize. (ok, by technicality, Ro could be the R by a very very weird turn of fate. but the tunnel rats are too close to being exactly what 4c means when he says "if they ask me for anything I'll do it")

Which just leaves me a bit flabbergasted as to what could be the Nothing that seems to be something that it is not.

Which does make me wonder (and now we're really going into conspiracy theory) if 4c wants to do an Explode Everything arc and pit the "good" side of the server against the "evil", show them they're connected and need each other for the livelihood of the sever. Maybe explode everything is too dramatic. more like mash them together and make them see how they're connected.

These are the people 4c said, "A few months ago i thought up a few people who i liked what they were doing and i thought it would be interesting to be loyal to them as well. And they don't know it.”

"liked what they were doing" not, "thought they were doing good."

and another time: “Cause if i support someones wrongs, everything they do, even if i don't agree with it, if i support it, if i do something wrong in the future i can trust that they will support me in the same way.”

And here they are, connected together, the good and the evil.

What kind of pull the strings from behind the curtain arc could this become. A make all sides have equal aide from a disinterested source that selflessly gives everything for another's benefit. All the while accidentally drawing the server into more and more conflict.

But hey, i love a good villain. And I have always thought 4c would make a fascinating world ender.

The only final thing I don't have any crack pot ideas about are why the heck are the signs around "altruism" like that. It's oak, spruce and dark oak. it's so extra. And the top line is different than the bottom.

it's just weird. 4c is so strange. But it seems significant. Some kind of continuation of the light and dark, grass and dead theme going on.

and the glass floor is prismatic rays except, and im being perfectionistic about it, prism refracting is a perfect rainbow, not a hodge-podge of rainbow colors.

but that's okay.

it's kind of interesting that it's like a river 4c walks through, that doesn't enter any of the letter's spaces. and it isn't lit up like prismatic refraction would be. But I think it is just supposed to be the prism effect.

He wades through seeing exactly how people are, what they think. Overhearing all conversations. He is the prism receiving the light from the players and understanding them completely.

Maybe that's simply what "nothing is as it seems" means. It's a continuation of the thoughts 4c has about when you see everything it hurts to choose, when you know everything how do you know what to do.

[mellohiizz]

Mel I feel violently ill. Mel. Mel. We are so subzam BACK.

Life Steal Spoilers from 2024/11/16

Zam was being killed repeatedly by Mane after telling Mane not to have mercy on him, and nobody else was online so he was completely alone. He was on 5 hearts, no gear, hiding in spawn as Mane blew it up trying to find him. He started dming literally everyone he knew on discord BEGGING for someone to save him and, of all people, it was Subz who answered before even MAPICC. It was Subz who logged in and gave Zam a chance to run away, saving him from possibly being banned from the server from the person hunting him. I feel so fucking insane right now, I hate subzam SO BAD. The direct parallels to s4 eclipse fed subzam oh my GODDDDD.

I WOKE UP TO THIS OH MY GOD EVERYONE DEACTIVATE PLEASE. subzam crumbs?? oh shut up im not okay. im not okay at all. everyone who told me eclipsefed was dead apologize to me right now. i didn't read the first part properly due to being sleepy, and seeing subz's name jumpscared me so badly. WE ARE SO BACK, GUYS. s6 subzam is real, oh my god. no one touch me.