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Happy birthday to all Vees fans

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Shooting my shot -

THEY PROBABLY WONT BUT - can u imagine lmao

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I Think I Know Who Zezzi’s and Hatchet’s vas are

So I was rewatching season 1 of hazbin hotel and going off of their one lines in episode 3 I think I’ve found out who Hatchet and Zezzi’s vas are. For Zeezi I think her Va is Millie’s Vivian Nixon and I think for Hacthet it’s Eric Schwartz Chaz’s Va. I have no proof for this other than I think they sound similar to Millie and Chaz and the fact that the hazbin hotel account has recently started following both of them.

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Zill posted to Viv's blogspot December 8, 2009.

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Kaycee posted to Viv's tumblr August 9, 2012.

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Sketches of Alastor, Angel, Charlie, and Husk sold at a con. Posted to Viv's instagram July 7, 2019.

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From Pinterest

I can't find the artis.

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i love the idea that humans were made in god's image but animals in eden were made in angels' image (i.e. heaven born angels like cherubs looking like animals, when really animals look like them)

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Sound the bugle now Play it just for me As the seasons change Remember how I used to be

Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron (2002)

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Given the recent Stephanie Beatriz comments about Vaggie, what do you think will happen? Like, in another interview she had long ago, she mentioned Vaggie's bow being a hint to her arc. And also just the fact that outside of her Exorcist past, we know nothing about her backstory or even the lore of Exorcist Angels themselves. Also, I don't know if you noticed but Vaggie was the only angel among Adam and the Exorcists to have a single stripe on her wing, before and after she was abandoned.

I just rewatched that interview , they talk about the bow around 5:45, (fun fact I was able to find it from one of your old posts) and while it's a fun bit of info, I don't really have any theories about what it could mean atm. We'll see!

Honestly, we have so little info on what will happen in season 2 and even less after that, so I don't really have theories about Vaggie's potential arc yet. I am just glad to know things will be addressed.

Ended up a bit long, so I am putting it under a cut, but TLDR: Vaggie is the only exorcist with only one black stripe on her wings, and I think it's a deliberate design choice. After that, I share a few thoughts/theories about what it could mean and about Vaggie's potential backstory in general as well!

I noticed the stripes! I think I actually have a post I started about it in my drafts, but since you mentioned it I ll talk about it here!

We see many exorcists during flashbacks and the final battle, but still Vaggie remains the only one to have 1 black stripe on her wings instead of 2. It's such a deliberate design choice, it can't be by accident. You could say it's for easier animation, but if that really was the case, it would make sense for Lute to have only one stripe as well, given we see her wings (both in-use and relaxed) more than Vaggie's in season one.

I am not sure what it could mean tbh, but it has to mean something. My one idea is that she is different from the rest of the exorcists, being that the others are Heavenborn and she isn't. Or the reverse. Would explain why she didn't even hesitate to hurt and even kill the other exorcists in the finale battle, if she was an outcast among them even in Heaven.

I ve seen theories for both arguments, but I personally think Vaggie did have a human life before becoming an exorcist. One "proof" (if you could even call it that) I have is in her trading card design.

It's hard to see, but on the upper right corner there are eyes just staring at her in the background.

This was a motif used for her in the pre- pilot days, it shows up in multiple artworks about her. From what I could find it's a reference to her old backstory, (when she was a sinner who took her own life) but I couldn't really find on exact source on what they represent/represented back then.

(art by Vivzie herself from old speedpaints posted on her youtube channel)

Given it's something that was used in the context of her old backstory, this motif still being present for her could hint at parts of her old lore still being canon.

You could make the argument that it's a reference to her past as an exorcist, and the eyes represent her victims, and honestly, I could see that being the case as well!

It's not a proof more like an opinion, but I think Vaggie as a character had an extended backstory that developed over many years, and even if she was changed to be an exorcist I don't think it has to mean that all that (potiental) backstory of her human life was thrown away.

She could have had a human life even she is not aware of atm, beacase she lost her memory (and by lost I mean it was forcibly erased in Heaven. If exorcists are human souls it would make sense for them to have their memory wiped, so they wouldnt hesitate even if their target in Hell is someone they knew on Earth) so her rediscovering it and finding out about her past, or even meeting someone she knew, would be a great premise fo a future arc for her in the show.

I don't really have a way to end this lol, in any case I am super excited about her upcoming storyline in the future seasons and I ll be thinking about what Stephanie could have meant by saying the bow represents her arc till season 2 comes out.

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hullo. wanna see if this works

(summons jambalaya, exactly like Alastor's mother used to make) here you go Alastor

"You would have to know my mother's jambalaya in order to create it, and that is not a recipe I give out. Thank you for the jambalaya, though; even if it isn't my mother's recipe."

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favorite alastor smear frames, as suggested by @natakarania

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Plzplz I was making a small edit and I just realised these guys are making the almost same pose

And it just kind of reminded me of this:

I have no idea what I'm on about but-

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Hazbin Pals notebook available via Shark Robot May 21, 2018.

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Stephanie Beatriz recently attended a con and gave her insight on Vaggie. If you’ve seen the clip, do you agree with her insight?

I definitely do and it frustrates me that Beatriz had to literally spell things out about Vaggie and her struggles for people who are insisting that she’s “one dimensional” and has no arc going for her.

I have seen it already, yes 🥰

For those who haven't seen the clip yet, this person has helpfully posted it here

And of course I agree! These are things I've written essays about on both my tumblr accounts. I've tried to get it thru the thick heads of some people on twitter. I've used it as foundation for my characterization for her in my fics and fanarts. It's so tragic that we're celebrating a VA stating the obvious just because the fandom is too set on hating Vaggie to see the potential of her character, but it is how it is.

What I am really really surprised by, is how detailed and deep Stephanie's explanation was! Like whoa. Now see, as much as I absolutely adore this show, I'm not blind to its flaws and the creator's biases. Idk if this is unexpected of me to admit, but I didn't have high expectations that Vaggie's issues with her codependency would be explored 👀💦

Now, don't get me wrong, it doesn't mean to say I didn't expect her to be explored at all. But the thing is, I'm well aware that although the first season so far definitely didn't ignore the ladies as much as the fandom and antis would like to think, I honestly had little hope of this momentum staying that way in future seasons because of the Vees, Alastor's subplot, Angel, Lucifer, and Charlie's own arc as, of course, the main character.

There's a lot of things that are about to happen, and interesting enough, we already have an idea because of the previous lore already released in the internet before the show got greenlit. The fans wanna see it, and I damn well know Viv is excited to explore it too. There's this expectation, you know, from the previously established lore. The subplot that will involve these men will very likely take up a huge chunk of the following seasons, and that doesn't even include the overarching conflict with Heaven and redemption.

So with all that being said, I didn't see a lot of hope in Vaggie being explored in depth because there just isn't enough time to squeeze her in a series with 8 twenty minute long episodes each season that for some reason has a requirement of 2 songs per episode. I've made my peace with that. The bare minimum I wanted was Vaggie's rivalry with Lute to go in line with her issues with her self-worth. For her to see how far gone Lute has become and to realize how well she's doing in comparison. To finally accept that she's doing good and has been making progress in her own, self-imposed redemption where all she asks for is the right to love and be loved in return, no return ticket to Heaven needed.

But wow! Stephanie saying that they're playing the long game when it comes to the unhealthy elements of their relationship, not just Vaggie's flaw as an individual, is great! Of course we still have to wait for how it's executed, but the fact that Stephanie got into such detail about this leads me to believe that the things she has already recorded for during production will definitely lead up to the development we want for their relationship.

I really honestly would've been fine even if Vaggie stayed codependent. I've loved previous characters all the same even if they couldn't manage to break away from being the lost puppy dog that thought the world of the person they loved, as long as the person they love also loves them back just as intensely. Like. Idk. Gwanshik from When Life Gives You Tangerines. I just think there's charm to be appreciated in romance that's devoted up to a tragic degree. And don't lie I damn well know there are lotsa other people into that because that shit's EVERYWHERE in fan content, and widely loved in straight romances in media. Men get to be called "boyfriend goals" when they're on their knees like Gomez Addams for the woman they love, letting her shine while they take the backseat. Why can't a little gay angel do the same without being degraded?

Also! Also! I'm thinking a whole lot about Stephanie saying we don't get to know Vaggie all that much too because that is true even if you take into account the pre-show lore because of the Exorcist plot twist. Vaggie's pre-show lore used to be similar to Angel's, but now we're not even sure if she used to be human! This changes everything, and again I didn't have high expectations of her being explored too deeply, but now I really hope this means we'll get to know her finalized backstory.

And I look forward to this likely meaning getting to see Vaggie forge deep friendships outside of Charlie, most likely with Carmilla. I'm really hoping Vaggie making friends would also get us to explore Charlie's shortcomings as a partner too. She lowkey takes her girlfriend for granted, and I really hope for her to have an interesting reaction to possibly needing to share her girlfriend with others, especially as someone who has very few friends and possibly some abandonment issues.