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Today's third problematic ship is

Requested by anonymous

Sans x Papyrus from Undertale

Brother incest

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Not so friendly reminder that creating "dark" or "taboo" fiction can be a sign of childhood trauma!

More below the cut. Warning: long post.

TW: Mentions of trauma, child abuse, and paraphilias

Hi. I'm someone who studies psychology and sociology, and someone who also happens to have an interest in this shipping discourse stuff.

So, back to what I said a few paragraphs ago: Creating "dark" or "taboo" fictional content can be a sign of childhood trauma.

How?

When a child goes through something they consider traumatic, their brain will play the situation on repeat subconsciously, which can cause hypervigilance and symptoms of PTSD.

A common sign of PTSD in young children is that they will reenact their trauma with things like dolls, drawings, figures, and basically any other thing they can use to express their thoughts.

For example, a child who has gone through physical abuse may reenact similar things with their toys, such as making their dolls hit or yell at each other.

This symptom isn't limited to children, though. It is a symptom closely related to the presence of flashbacks and nightmares.

Many artists will create a "self-insert" character, "sona," or a character who is otherwise much like it's creator; when an artist creates a character like this and also has past trauma, their symptoms may reflect onto their character.

Projecting yourself onto characters can happen with other characters as well, even if you didn't make the character.

This is a healthy symptom. It shows that the brain is willing to become stronger from their trauma.

Reenacting trauma in ways that aren't harmful can help the brain process what happened to them, and can even help them deal with their trauma directly.

In order to heal trauma, you must know what your trauma is; you can't heal a wound you don't know you have.

While dark fiction creators are indulging in positive healing mechanisms, certain people will shun them for doing so.

"Antishippers" claim to be the "heroes" and to support healing, even though the thing that makes someone be considered and antishipper is if they're "anti healing through fiction."

Antishippers will throw the same ableist rhetorics around by claiming "if you ship adult x child you're a pedophile!" or "if you have age gap ships (even if both are consenting adults) you're a pedophile!"

This, not only is it hurting trauma survivors (especially those who have been harmed by those with paraphilic disorders), it is hurting EVERY disabled person.

Armchair diagnosis is not something anyone should do.

It is when there is little to no evidence that the condition exists within a person, though people still throw labels onto them to make them seem like they're a "bad guy." (Usually.)

This is also hurting people with actual paraphilias. Paraphilic disorder is real condition characterized by intrusive thoughts of a (usually abnormal or harmful-if-acted-on) sexual nature.

Even if someone claims to not be ableist but still demonizes and villainizes paraphilias, they're ableist.

Ableism is ableism.

And before an anti decides to call me a "pedo-apologist," go right ahead! You don't know what you're saying anyways.

There is a difference between a criminal and a disabled person.

Proship people do not support abuse. Anyone who claims to be proship but still supports abuse is NOT proship.

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Of course anyone who makes dark content doesn't have to have past trauma.

There are many people who make dark content that don't have what they'd consider trauma, or think their trauma is unrelated to the content they create.

What if they did experience something traumatic in the future?

They'd be able to cope with it better, because they'd seen it in fiction before, so they'd know the impact of it, and how they could handle it.

Of course, not everyone who indulges in fiction will be able to handle it, though.

However, no matter if they have past trauma or not, assume the best when it comes to content creators.

They're creative and strong, and we should be thankful that they're adding onto fandom culture by just existing and doing what they love.

All people, no matter what fictional content they create, are beautiful in their own way and should be met with kindness and compassion.

Do not go out of your way to harass/abuse innocent people.

Do not go out of your way to be ableist towards content creators and content consumers.

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Thank you for reading my long post, I hope it helped at least a bit.

Have a great day/night and stay safe, no matter your taste in fiction.

Feedback is appreciated, and reblogs are encouraged.

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me and the bad bitch I pulled by being his brother

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reblog to have him sitting in your blog

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One time I met Osric Chau (Kevin's actor) and I started crying bc it was my first convention and I was super anxious and scared. He got up and gave me a hug and I, out of nervousness, starting SPILLING MY LIFE STORY TO HIM. And. He was so chill about it and was like "I'm so glad you made it this far, keep going." And I got his autograph teehee.

Kevin is such a babygirl I would die for him and his stupidly big baby cow eyes

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Hey if you’re schizophrenic/psychotic I just want you to know that you’re a wonderful person and that you deserve so much better than the demonization, marginalization and stigmatization you face in this society.

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I’ve noticed some new blogs (or some that I just happened to miss) that are proship/selfship, and I’m always looking for new people to follow, so:

Reblog this if you’re a proship selfshipper, or just a proshipper who doesn’t mind selfshippers!

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rotting in your bed while reblogging wincest posts on tumblr should be treated as a full time job

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please can we do inbox trick-or-treating this year. can we make that a thing on tumblr. please please please please please

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Hi tumblr !!

Currently writing a wincest fic... Its not very long so far but I am going to be writing it for QUITE a while. Should I post the AO3 link on here after I finish chapter 1? It's gonna be a bit angsty, but nothing too major.

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AHH this is a very difficult question to answer, especially because I'm a multishipper.

It really depends. On a lot of things, that I can't really name because I'm not sure what they are.

So I would have to say it's tied between Wincest, Destiel, and Hannigram. My top three favorites, that I am not putting in any order. I love them equally.

Wincestiel/TFW and Team Free Love are also up there, but they are not my top favorites. Close, but not there.

Dear proshippers: what's your favorite ship? And, why do you consider yourself proship?

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now why did the siren say that

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I used to be so uncomfortable with certain dynamics- now I realize that was just me trying to convince myself that I couldn't possibly be comship because "ohhh proshipping is so bad and evil". Thankfully, I'm past that. Now I can enjoy ships that I never let myself enjoy before, and they make me happy!

My favorite thing about going from being an anti to a proshipper is just how many dynamics that I never let myself enjoy that I actually fucking love.

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quick reminder that delusions are strongly held, fixed beliefs not based in reality that cannot be changed even in the face of evidence against them. a delusional person's conviction in these beliefs is just as strong as your conviction that the sky is blue. some delusional folks have the ability to double book-keep (understand that what they're experiencing is a delusion), but this does not make the belief any less sincerely held and the ability to do so varies from person to person and from delusion to delusion.

you cannot choose delusions, delusions are involuntary. (note that for some folks already prone to delusions, however, hearing about certain delusions will lead to them developing those same delusions)

someones ability (or lack thereof) to double book-keep does not make them a "better" or "worse" delusional person. and--speaking from experience--some folks can technically double book-keep, but doing so is incredibly distressing and can make things worse. (for us, some of our beliefs help us maintain our hold on reality in other areas, and attempting to double book-keep and acknowledge them as delusions (even if (if) they might make that specific belief more manageable to deal with) would make it significantly harder to keep our hold on any aspect of reality as a whole; we call these load-bearing beliefs/delusions, depending on how far removed from it we are [whether or not we've stabilized enough to be able to acknowledge it as a delusion, or even not believing the delusion anymore, without it unstabilizing everything else])

being delusional is morally neutral, but they are often also incredibly difficult to manage and can make life incredibly worse (note that for some folks, certain delusions may be pleasurable or comforting; the feeling associated with delusions. however, this does not make it not a delusion, and that does not mean they are any more voluntary. finding pleasure/comfort in them also does not exclude them from making general life harder; many delusions may also influence and exacerbate other delusions)

delusions are not your funny silly buzzword to use when you're feeling quirky, it's not another way to say "vividly daydream and get emotionally attached to the daydream" or "get extremely attached to a piece of fiction to an unusually intense degree" (which for some reason i've been seeing more and more of lately), and "delusional" is not an insult or a derogatory term. "delulu" is demeaning and only serves to show that you don't care about delusional people.

stop throwing delusional people under the bus.

(and while you're at it, start tagging your unreality shit, too.)

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Both? Both is good.

“Wincest” doesnt mean i want them fucking, it means i want their emotions to be so overwhelming that they cannibalize one another but its still not enough.

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for fannibals!

cause i thought hannigram has been deemed "problematic" enough for antis to hate it, but a recent interaction has left me off kilter and now i'm wondering.

and if ur anti would you be willing to pls say why/if you ship hannigram? i'm genuinely confused and trying to understand

edit: y'know what let's get proshipping opinions too, to have thoughts from both sides

pls rb for a wider range!