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If d'Eon getting anime remake, the cis!d'Eon would be her brother-in-law Thomas O'Gourman avenging his sister-in-law, no other than d'Eon herself aka Charlotte...I think Genevieve only reserved for Charlotte's most beloved person in the world. To add a bit comedy, Charlotte would be a bit of bully but caring sister to Thomas and also to her eldest sister Marguerite, there might be tension between d'Eon and her mother..or rather, her father, how's that?

Not to be a wet blanket but personally I prefer based on a true story fiction to either be as accurate as possible or to just rename the characters. I think renaming the characters makes it more clear to the audience that while this may be loosely based on a true story it is fiction (think Psycho or Rope).

Geneviève was not saved for loved ones. She even uses it on a ticket to one of her fencing displays. She mostly seems to have used Charlotte when writing her full name. Most people called her d’Eon tho.

[Ticket for Geneviève d'Eon's fencing display at Mrs. Bateman's house in Soho, c. 1793, via The British Museum]

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There is a type of person on this website who is so enmeshed in fandom discourse that they assume anything even tangentially related must actually be about said fandom discourse.

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EMMA (2020)

dir. autumn de wilde

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Ever wondering in fictional media d'Eon never wear military uniform or dressed like nobleman in her era, always a dress or mischaracterized her as caricature of dress in drag, acting like an effeminate man, stereotypical badly portrayal of trans woman but if she wears pants, people would perceive 'So, d'Eon's a man at all'. Pretty sad if you ask me.

There is a real issue with people being unable to understand that trans people can be GNC. Trans women are expected to perform femininity and their performance of femininity is scrutinised even more so than that of cis women. It's a no-win scenario tho. If a trans woman presents fem she is told she is upholding gender roles but if she presents even a little masc it's considered evidence that she's not really trans. And of course vice versa for trans men and expecting nonbinary people to be androgynous.

D'Eon said she was a woman. Lived openly as a woman for over 30 years until her death. But people will claim that she can't have been a woman because of the way she dressed, the way she walked, the way she talked, because she enjoyed fencing, because she wanted to rejoin the army to fight in both the American and French revolutions. And while some of these people are blatantly calling her a man, I think we need to acknowledge that some of them are saying she was nonbinary. The second type is almost more insidious because its dressed up in progressive language. But at the end of the day both groups are denying d'Eon her womanhood because she didn't perform femininity to their standards.

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Is anyone familiar with Anthony Delaney's work? He has a new book Queer Georgians coming out in September.

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I think there should be history books written for the general public. But I also think these books should be well researched. I want people to feel like learning history is something that's accessible to them. And I want the information they get to be accurate.

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Good to know about the podcast.

I guess I'm wondering less will there be info I don't already know and more will this be inaccurate slop. I think there is a time and place for pop history books it's just that so many of them are so poorly researched. The misleading comment is the most concerning part to me.

Is anyone familiar with Anthony Delaney's work? He has a new book Queer Georgians coming out in September.

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I think you should write a book about d’Eon

I'm flattered anon but I can't read French

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Like I'll probably read it anyway because queer Georgians is my area of interest but my expectations are low.

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Yeah these are all well known topics. That doesn't mean that there isn't room for new research but this is written like no one has ever heard of the Ladies of Llangollen before. Which could just be marketing book blurb BS but everything about this screams pop history. Plus misleading info is always a bad sign.

Is anyone familiar with Anthony Delaney's work? He has a new book Queer Georgians coming out in September.

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This is the blurb:

It feels very pop history to me and the part about d'Eon is misleading at best :/

Is anyone familiar with Anthony Delaney's work? He has a new book Queer Georgians coming out in September.

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Is anyone familiar with Anthony Delaney's work? He has a new book Queer Georgians coming out in September.

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How come wikipedia or any blogs didn't mentioning Marquis de l'Hôpital and his infatuation with d'Eon? this could intrigue people to get to know d'Eon and Marquis de l'Hôpital.

I don't know. It's not really mentioned in a lot of English language sources so it's not that well known I guess. There is probably an element of transphobia & homophobia to it tbh.

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Why d'Eon is referred as Lia or Charlotte instead of her preferred name 'Genevieve', do you think d'Eon is considered a tomboy in 18th century France?

She was considered a masculine woman. She was often likened to Joan of Arc and Minerva.

Most people do not know her preferred name was Geneviève.

It's fair to call her Charlotte as that is her first name. Her full name is Charlotte-Geneviève-Louise-Auguste-André-Timothée d’Eon de Beaumont.

She preferred her middle name Geneviève as it had personal and religious significance to her. (see The Maiden of Tonnerre p9)

As for Lia it's a bit more complicated. When she was secretary to the Marquis de l'Hôpital in Russia he wrote her a letter where he addressed her as "ma chère Lia". (see undated letter from l'Hôpital to d'Eon printed in Mémoires sur la Chevalière d'Éon by Frédéric Gaillardet p16) Why exactly he did this is unknown but it has been theorised that she used the name Lia as an alias in Russia. This theory was popularised by the fictional novel Mémoires du Chevalier d'Éon by Frédéric Gaillardet. The name Lia was also used in the anime Le Chevalier D'Eon.

Some people, who know very little about d'Eon, have assumed that if she used the name Lia as an alias that must have been her preferred name. As most historians deadname d'Eon most people don't know of any other names she used besides her deadname and Lia. People who call her Lia usually mean well but it's incredibly frustrating. There is so much evidence showing her preferred name was Geneviève yet only one letter referring to her as Lia.

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I think you should have to take at minimum 1 film studies class before you are allowed to use the term male gaze

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Transmasculine erasure is a huge issue but saying that every historical figure afab who wore men's clothing was a binary trans man isn't the solution. It's just another form of queer erasure. There were many butch lesbians who did not see themselves as women or men. Their gender was butch. I think in a broad sense these lesbians fall under the category of transmasculine, even tho that's not the term they used, but to say that someone who never identified as a man was a binary trans man isn't it.

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While d'Eon made some perhaps questionable choices people arguing that she was literally delusional are always just transphobic. They may say well the Guerchy scandal but it always comes down to she said she was a woman.