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You look so much like your mother in certain lights.

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While I think it's good people have become more aware of how the patriarchy as a system hurts everyone living under it, even the more privileged classes, I do feel like I live in a bizarro world everytime people talk about cis men's mental health issues as if they all genuinely believe women were raised with perfect sympathy for their emotions and never demonized for their feelings or taught to repress them.

"Girls are taught it's okay to cry while boys are not!!" You have got to be kidding me. I am very young and even I was already old enough to be on the internet while people were still earnestly debating whether women were fit to be in official leadership positions or if they were "too emotional" and would lay ruin to the world because they were on their period or whatever. Like that was a real thing in the 2010s still. It's probably gonna make a comeback this decade if the tradwife revival keeps going long enough. Do we all have collective amnesia?

It's "okay" for girls to cry because it's benefitial for us to be seen as weak and lesser than men. It is useful for us to cry so it can be used against us. That is not exactly a good environment for girls to develop a healthy relationship to their emotions, is it? Everytime someone suggests men are uniquely tortured I feel like i'm going insane. Do we not remember hysteria? There was an actual fucking medical diagnosis for women who were expressing their emotions too much. Do we not remember the demonization of postpartum depression? Do we not remember the entirety of the anti-sjw movement specifically stereotyping feminists as foaming at the mouth and crying at nothing to make them seem illogical? Are all of you secretly from a parralel universe where misogyny never existed? I don't get it.

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Maybe it’s cause I didn’t read the books but I cannot comprehend how anyone ships Belly with Conrad when Jeremiah exists

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Why I’m more team Jelly (aka why I’m team Jelly)

Something about Belly and Jeremiah makes so much sense to me. They just ‘flow’. Idk if that’s the right word, but it’s how I see them. Everything with them seems natural and easy, like they don’t have to try with each other, they just are.

I do understand why the Team Conrad people want to see them together (in some ways) but in my opinion, Jeremiah is the right choice for endgame and is Belly’s future.

Conrad was Belly’s first love. He was the older brother who was always sweet to her and who she harboured a crush for, for so many years. But Jeremiah’s the love that’s always been there. He’s the love that all of a sudden hits her in the face and she goes ‘how has it taken me this long to see it?’. Jeremiah is the boy who stayed at home with her for a week because she was sick and he didn’t want her to be alone. He’s the boy she stayed home for when he got sick too. He’s the boy she would run with to the beach with and play in the water. The boy who she knows “better than any boy”. She’s the girl who makes him feel seen (which only his mum and belly do). He’s the guy that will ‘always come and get her’. No matter at what stage Belly was in in her life, wether she was going on a date with someone or if she was little and was going to be home alone sick, Jeremiah pushed his own feelings aside, and chose to be there for her.

Maybe it’s only me seeing this as someone with a soft spot for Jelly, but everything seems less awkward with Jeremiah than it does with Conrad. Don’t get me wrong, there’s been more than a few moments with belly and Conrad where I’ve been like ‘omg that’s so cute’, but there’s also a slight awkwardness there sometimes. But I’ve never felt that there’s been an awkward moment between Belly and Jeremiah. Even when they were in the car together after not speaking for months, it was quiet and there was a tension, but it was never awkward.

They have such best friends to lovers energy and they have most importantly endgame energy. My only hope is that they show more of Belly feeling love for Jeremiah and not just Conrad. Because it’s so obviously there, so I need to see more of it. That boy means the world to her, and I’d like to actually see that shown more than it is.

Idc what anyone says, the relationship that Belly and Jeremiah have is so much healthier than with her and Conrad. Jelly communicates with each other, they tell each other how they feel and the love they have for each other (and I’m not just talking about romantic here) never falters, no matter the situation. Conrad seems to give affection and then pull away. He’s more talk than walk, whereas Jeremiah is more walk than talk. I know Conrad suffers with his mental health, and as someone who does as well, I can sympathise with him and understand why he does some of the things he does. But are we going to sit here and say that Jeremiah doesn’t suffer with his too ? I feel like people forget that Jeremiah has also lost his Mother. And he was there watching it happen, he saw her slipping away, that surely has had a huge impact on him. Not to mention that whilst it was happening, the girl that he was in love with was dating his brother, and he stood back and let it happen because he wanted both his Brother and Belly to be happy.

The entire scene with Belly and Jeremiah at the college sums them up for me. The montage of them giving each other piggyback rides and twirling each other around, Jeremiah tucking Belly’s hair behind her ear (did anyone else notice that when Conrad did that, she pulled away and asked him if she had something on her face, but when Jeremiah did it, she didn’t even flinch ? just saying 👀) the montage radiated nothing but complete joy, happiness and love and affection. And even in the serious moments, like when they talked about the future, Belly planned it with Jeremiah in it. And say what you want, but she didn’t plan it as ‘friends’ she was planning that future as a ‘we’, as a couple.

When Belly was at home and looking through the pictures of the boys and Susannah, clearly upset and missing them, it’s Jeremiah she called, despite them not having spoken in months. When it comes to belly’s struggles, she will always call Jeremiah for help. Always. And when it comes to Jeremiah’s, Belly is the only one that makes him feel better. Always. They just work. (Thinks if the tower of terror scene)

I just don’t want Belly to get back together with Jeremiah, only for her to then break his heart again. She clearly wants him, so let’s keep it that way, I am begging. Jeremiah deserves the world and Belly is his world. And Belly deserves the love she’s always craved (and without even noticing it at the time, Jeremiah is the love she’s always craved). She built Conrad up in her head, she gave him traits that she wanted him to have because she loved him, she gave him chance after chance because she loved him. But that true love, happiness fairly tale that she’s always imagined, that’s Jeremiah, and now is the time for her to notice that (as it seems she has) and to STAY thinking that.

I know how the book ends, and before anyone asks, no I haven’t read them. But I really do hope that they change the ending for the show. Jelly is a pure love. It’s a true love. They’re ‘real’ in the words of Belly. I’ve said this on someone’s post before, but the song Daylight by Taylor swift is very Jelly coded. The lyrics ‘I once believed love would be burning red, but it’s golden’ sums it up. Conrad was Belly’s burning red love. The love that yes, was deep and meaningful, but was also complicated and painful. Jeremiah is her golden love; also deep and meaningful, but the love that’s bright, one that makes her happy and is just easy. She never has to question herself around him, she can just be Belly.

And whilst im at it, I’ve seen a lot of discourse of people calling Belly a ‘bad person’ and I feel the need to stick up for her here. Has she made some mistakes ? Yes. Questionable ones ? Yes. But she’s a teenage girl for gods sake. Are you telling me that your teenage self has never made a questionable decision ? Are you telling me that your teenage self had never hurt someone ? Belly is young and has two boys who clearly care about and love her wanting her. Boys who have been in her life always. Of course she’s going to be confused and make decisions that hurt someone. I’m not saying she’s never in the wrong, because of course she is, but so is everyone at some point in their life. Again, she’s a teenaged girl, give her a fucking break. I never see anyone calling the boys ‘bad people’ for the questionable choices they’ve made.

Anyway, Jeremiah is Belly’s person. And Belly is Jeremiah’s person. Enough said. And also, THAT kiss!

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I'm a non book reader only watched the show when does Jelly happen and when does she describe her love for him? I've heard the third book is a fanfic a bad one at that so if I do read it I'll consider book 2 the ending hope it's a happy one for my ships I love them both. I get why people are annoyed with Belly constantly going from one to the other but that's not in the books right? I wish she would only choose and love Jeremiah I'm getting stick of Conrad's shit since season 1 he reminds me of those toxic male leads from movies like After not that extreme of course but similar.

There are spoilers for books!!

I just finished book 2 and loved the ending because Belly finally lets go her obsession and love for conrad. Here's the quote I've loved about it:

She literally says that she's not gonna be the only one who says sorry and runs after the person. She finally realizes her worth.

And her description for boys is very different. Ij case of conrad, it is read as some kind of obsession and idolization of the person. And she excuses him always. Like he literally went to his ex in 2nd book, but suddenly this is not considered cheating, but when Jeremiah did the same, he's some kind of villain... Belly is literally the only one who puts on effort and conrad acts only when Belly is with someone else. I know he's been going through a lot, but if he's not ready for a relationship, just don't start it.

And then after realizing what kind of shitty person he is, she realized that she made a mistake for taking him, that she idolized about her and conrad too much, when in reality it wasn't what she has imagined. She came to the conclusion that she should have brought Jermeiah cause he would never do that to her:

She never felt that she was loved fully by conrad. She says this in book 2, I think. He's been crazy about her, but with her, it was usual, nothing exciting for him. Also, it felt like that cknrad just lived that belly liked him. I just feel like it.

And in book2, Jeremiah kisses her and she literally says that the kiss was something she has never experienced cause it was so damn PASSIONATE LIKE HE WAS DROWNING AND SHE WAS AIR, WHILE SHE NEVER FELT LIKE THAT WITH CONRAD!!!!

Also this is the end of book2. Look how she says that Jeremiah is her past, present and future. She says it's true love. While her love for conrad is described as something childish, she says that it's not good love and it's just one time thing cause this type of love will only hurt you!!!

Team jelly till my last breath!!!

Book3 really feels like a bonrad fanfic. I just started it, but the way characters act are just out of character. Jenny Han just wanted to force bonrad into our throats🤢

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i’ll actually die on the hill that it’s jeremiah who is the most consistently misunderstood and mistreated character on the show, not a certain #someone else just because his key character traits aren’t being brooding and mysterious and having avoidant attachment style.

jeremiah describes being fully wasted and dissociating with lacie then sobbing afterwards (while she was very much proud of it) which full well sounds like he was taken advantage of yet all b*nrads don’t give a fuck and still shit on him for “cheating”. when it’s been established in canon that he thought they were fully broken up. not even mentioning, steve and taylor have been ACTUALLY cheating on their sos for months, but of course b*nrad defenders and consistent logic just don’t mesh well together.

jeremiah is constantly described as never taking anything seriously, when we’ve seen time and time again that he is serious. even freaking steven acts like he’s a joke (some best friend there lol). who was taking care of susannah’s bills? who stepped aside if it would mean his brother could be happy? who was the MOST supportive of belly going to paris to follow her dreams instead of staying where she was comfortable? and who stayed in the hospital all night when steven was hurt, keeping his distance for belly’s sake but being on standby, just in case she might need him?

jeremiah haters also describe him as manipulative and vindictive, but remind me again. which brother was making fun of belly over her checking her appearance, something which obviously meant a lot to her at that time (it’s the name of the frickin show)! which brother made her constantly feel like she was just an afterthought and not the first choice? which brother always left her hanging and wondering what she’d done wrong? right. whereas jeremiah is always telling belly she’s beautiful, that she can do anything, and that she deserves everything. it’s not even a competition for me

jeremiah is constantly slut shamed when he and belly have had the longest and strongest relationship in the show by far. he’s also the only canon bi character which makes this extra weird. poor writing but also the double standards against jeremiah specifically, all the time, is really something.

all of this isn’t even mentioning the fact that jenny had to do a complete character assassination of jere (in the books—and likely, in turn, the show, though the full extent has obviously not happened yet though i’m bracing myself for it) to stop him from being the obvious better choice, because he is and has been. we have seen jeremiah be an extremely mature, supportive, open, warm and loving partner to belly, and belly in turn is HEAD over heels in love with him. i mean, girlie is skipping towards him, smiling stupidly in all their scenes, and calls him her soulmate and last love. she isn’t constantly upset and doubting herself and insecure the way she was with a certain someone else.

the ONLY way they are not endgame now is by completely ruining jere and bellyjere’s relationship, because so far it’s pretty much been an idyll (taylor herself says this) – obviously it hasn’t been perfect all the time, but they’ve never given up on each other, and always come out the other side stronger. will this likely downfall make sense for them? no. will it make sense for jere’s character? no! but there’s no other way for bellyjere to not be endgame with how happy they were together for over three years—the longest main relationship by far in the show. it’s the only way to make b*nrad and c*nrad the favored choice. if you have to destroy one ship to make another look better, how good is it really? my genuine question for jenny.

so i stand by this. jeremiah is the most consistently misunderstood and mistreated character in tsitp by far — both by the fans and the creators.

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TSITP season 3 trailer just dropped and oh man, Belly and Jeremiah look so fucking happy and wholesome together that the writers are gonna have to do A LOT of convincing for me to ever even consider switching teams.

We saw Belly being nothing but miserable with Conrad for a whole season. It took the span of a minute to show how much better off she is with Jeremiah.

Just sayin’…

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me waiting for season 3 of The Summer I Turned Pretty: Ok, I know how love triangles work. I know Jeremiah is not going to be end game. I will not be surprised when they assassinate his character to make Conrad look like the better option...

me when they assassinate Jeremiah's character to make Conrad look like the better option:

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She had to be a jellyfish

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People who say that Belly & Jere only give off best friend vibes together are just crazy... Because... I didn't know that friends have crazy sexual tension and kiss so passionately and that a romantic relationship could feel so natural ? Are people stupid ? Do they know the (best) friends to lovers trope ? It's like normal that they always have some friend gaps because Belly & Jere are originally best friends. That they keep some of that in their relationship is normal. It's part of the trope ? And sorry but your romantic partner should normally also be your best friend, that's like the basis in real life ?! I don't know what the Jelly haters are trying to prove with this stupid comment. Yeah... they just have the best kissing scenes but they only give off best friend vibes / platonic vibes... Wtf ? Seriously, the reflection of Jelly giving off best friend vibes is not the victory that the haters think it is. Is it on the same level as those who watch enemies to lovers and forget the lovers part in the story and its outrageous that they end up lovers ?! It makes no sense ! Honestly, these people just don't know the principle of best friends to lovers it's distressing.

Yeah...

It's bullshit. Jelly have romantic chemistry. Much better than for Bonrad. Maybe this fact drives them crazy ? 😂

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Conrad Fisher fans, avoid coming to my house because you'll just end up blocked and left alone with your bad faith about Jeremiah Fisher's character.

The only one I've seen self centred with Belly was Conrad during their relationship.

She constantly gave without any real return.

Someone needs to explain to me why Jere is like this with Belly, knowing that he supports her in litteraly everything.

He doesn't even want her to miss out on going to Paris just to be with him, even though he's going to miss her a lot.

Self centred ?! My ass.

Not to mention the fact that Jere always thought about the happiness of others and never burdened them with his moods most of the time unlike Conrad.

Jeremiah was literally the one who put on the hat of everything is fine to satisfy others by giving the impression that everything is fine for him.

And he decided to stop doing that at the end of season 2 and obviously it pisses off a lot of people in the fandom.

What ?

He's self-centred or envies his brother because he no longer wants to constantly put up with the blatant preference that his family always has for Conrad over him ? Is that what being self-centred and envies means for you ?

No longer accepting with a smile that Conrad is the little favorite to whom he is always compared ?

I'm hallucinating.

No human being wants to be slapped in the face 24 / 7, either directly or by implication, that they are not the favorite little one and that their big brother is better than them.

I remind you that Jere hates being compared to Conrad, even in a positive way, even where people tell him he's doing better than him.

So no, it's not a matter of particularly envying his brother and wanting what he has.

What Jere wants is to be treated and loved for who he is, without ever being compared, whether to belittle him or to highlight him. He simply doesn't want any kind of comparison.

It's a cringe teen show, the characters aren't hard to understand.

Conrad fans are the best when it comes to bad faith !

Also, we like the gratuitous insult on Jere...

You want to know the hypocrisy of this person ?

She already came to comment shit on one of my old Jelly posts, and so I had taken a look at her account or one of her posts on tsitp consisted of saying that Jelly had no alchemy between them.

So the false neutrality to follow up with disgusting remarks already doesn't work with me, but even less when I already know that the first words of your comment are lies because you don't think that al all yourself.

So coming to attack me because I say that the chemistry between Gavin and Lola is better is incredibly hypocritical.

Especially since in my own post at least I didn't gratuitously insult Conrad.

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B*nrad shippers are so funny to say, "OF COURSE Belly and Conrad are destiny! Jeremiah and Belly can't even say his name." But Belly and Conrad can't even date for more than 6 measly months and she's with his brother for 48, domestic-living, and ENGAGED. But you know, Belly|Conrad will always have summer and sour candy!

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I will never understand the pull Conrad Fisher has on those girlies, and I'm saying this as NOT a Jere girl. Whenever you hear from a Conrad fan, pretty much the height of their argument is, "bUt he knows her favorite candy" or "hE tHOuGhT sHE KNEWwww." and I'm like, you cAnNoT think this is a good argument for why he's a better man...You cannot be giving a man this much credit for having the basic skill sets of a kindergarten teacher's assistant and having poor communication skills.

And I get it, he's deeply traumatized and struggling in grief. Believe me... Conrad fans think you must not understand or grasp the weight of what he's dealing with to have an opinion of not liking him. But hear me out, I get it and it doesn't make him complicated or special for this, when every character/person has grief and trauma.

And their relationship is no better in the books; the thing is the argument for him being more fleshed out or even better in the original text is funny, because he's Worrrssse.

The Belly-Conrad relationship is like an immature connection of childhood crush that never expands past giving wet willys to each other in elementary school and pulling on the girl's hair. Fans of the ship are always on about Belly being misunderstood or viewers being misogynistic towards her, but the ship itself requires Conrad to always be the one accomodated to and this poor girl is at the expense of his tumultuous behavior and smug, dumb attitude. "He knows her." He knows the 6th grade version of her and, and he's not even charming! goddddd.

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♡ A love for all seasons. BellyJere moments in the Teaser for The final season of The Summer I Turned Pretty | Episodes start July 16 ♡

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it actually makes me sick to my fucking stomach how a black women could show emotion once on television and y’all will use it as an excuse to attack and bully them meanwhile you give other people 50,000 chances. olandria and chelley show they have feelings once or disagree with you once and all of a sudden, that makes their entire personality. that’s how it is actually. we could do a million fucking great things and people will only pay attention to the worst because they hated us and still do. we are human as well, not some out of the world species. you hold black women to higher standards and want them to be your perfect little stoic character who coddles the women you hype up and then you expose how you’ve been feeling the moment they “step out of line.” you want black people to be expressionless. i don’t give a damn if you decided not to like them because of that one episode (which is weird in itself), but you’re still getting whacked for continuing to discuss it and feeding into the hate. all you’re doing is making these racists feel comfortable coming out of the closet and saying out of pocket shit. this is why i’ll support chelley and olandria no matter what because their consequences will never match the action and these people that you’re helping attack them would never do the same for you. people get to act out the whole fucking season and in return get so much sympathy and the biggest fan base. it does not work the same for us. no. (this is not hate towards huda, i am using her situation as an example). chelley and olandria are still being mistreated by fans, brands, and fucking podcasts (which is why i started this rant). don’t tell me it isn’t about race. i seen the posts saying olandria doesn’t have the right to speak, the ones wishing violence on her and chelley, the ones calling them insecure, jealous or ugly, the ones saying olandria is manly. OLANDRIA? OLANDRIA IS FUCKING MANLY? anyway, let this be your lesson to stop joining in on the internet villainizing black people for any little thing. all you’re doing is fueling hatred. these people do not even fucking like you. they only tolerate you because you’re joining in on their fun.