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That's the real question.

I’m back on my Nashuri train…. Where tf is everybody???

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I haven't made a post on discussion about Namor and Shuri in a while, but I just got this idea.

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I haven't been active in the Nashuri fandom for a while... but what the hell is going on? I haven't posted anything in almost a year, and I see some kind of beef on the former bird app??? Can someone please fill me in?

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I haven't posted anything Nashuri related for a while, mainly because of this and other unrelated things. Regarding the allegations of Tenoch, I was shocked when I first heard it, which is why I decided to step away until more information came out. If people want to stop supporting him, then that's their right.

What I find disingenuous is when people use serious allegations and make it about them. I don't believe this is the gacha moment they think it is simply because of their attitude. Notice how hardly any of them tried to speak more about the victim or send them support. They seem to care more about debunking a fictional ship (that they're not personally affected by) than the possibility of someone being abused or assaulted.

Those who used to support Nashuri or are currently on hold are taking a step back because they're genuinely concerned about this possibility whereas antis took an unrelated situation and made it about them and their opinions, but yeah, let us continue being delusional.

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People like this give miserable a new meaning, lol. If you're gonna say all of these things over a non-canon ship, at least be brave about it instead of hiding behind "anon."

I should’ve known that you were a nashuri shipper. Why do you people insist on shipping a young woman with the man that took away her mother. One of her last blood-related family members.

I don’t ship Shuri with anyone, but I truly hope she gets a love interest in the future. So you nasty people can go away.

Like Shuri is more than Namor.

Interesting 😭. My posts so far are furthermore about the characters and explanation of dynamics. What tells you that you "should've known" I was a nashuri shipper. The fact that I don't villify Namor? The fact that I don't want Shuri to become a murderer by killing him, thus sending herself, Talokan, and Wakanda down a destructive path? The fact that I fairly characterize and understand both characters, as Ryan Coogler intended it do be? The fact that I can objectively point out why someone may ship a particular Shuri ship (which is not limited to Namor x Shuri)? 🫨

I don't "insist" on shipping Namor with Shuri, let alone for that reason. If you want to know why some may ship it, if you're intelligent enough to read for comprehension, your question is answered here. In the beginning alone, you have several healthy and normal reasons as to why one may like the ship.

I didn't ask what you ship (interesting you had to preface that you didn't ship her, I wonder why), and you must be a fool if you think Shuri having a love interest will stop any sort of Shuri shipper. Have you ever been in a fandom before?

The funniest part about this is that I do like Shuri more than Namor. That's why I wrote an entire meta on her and how she is as a character. That's why I have a wall of merchandise of her and not a single Namor (yet). That's why she's my favorite character. That is why I defend her tooth and nail. That's why I spend my own money on official books just to get a taste of information regarding her. As a black woman, I especially hold a special place in my heart for her. I love her before I love potential dynamics with Namor or anyone else. I am happy if Namor and Shuri just get decent interaction as only allies. It's possible!

I'm sorry you don't have the mental capacity to understand that, and you'd rather attack people as passionate as you over shipping. I am also sorry that you are illiterate because not a single thing I said implied that Shuri isn't more than Namor. Fans like you are miserable and pathetic. An insane tumor to fandom. 🤯

Kindly, my asks are for other fans to ask me about the characters or what I think on certain topics. Not unhinged anon hate by rabid nobodies and so-called toxic Shuri stans who attempt to gatekeep a character they just grew attached to (and probably know little about outside the Marvel Cinematic Universe), performing childish theatrics over shipping. I don't go here, or will I start to. I'm not the one or the two. Take your ass somewhere else and reflect on yourself that you actually got mad enough at nothing (because there isn't really nashuri on my page) enough to switch on anon mode to send me hate. 😂

It really doesn't accomplish anything. It just makes me want to do what I do even more. I don't care if a faceless coward laughably thinks I'm a "disgusting fool" over a relatively vanilla ship (people behind the scenes themselves joked about it. Writers considered or thought that it was not a bad match even after the fact) that's only a "problem" due to special circumstances. You can just pick up a pen to reverse or address it (that's what fanon is for.) It makes me want to post nashuri meta and use the tags more to spite you (which I wasn't thinking to do), so congratulations if that was your goal?

Let this be a message to you (who I think I know 😉) and others like you. I'm still going to love what I love, and that includes Princess Shuri. Sorry that you don't co-sign on how I love her. 🤷‍♀️

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She looks so cute! 😍

Baby girls lil icons too cuz duh

I see y'all getting a lil feisty in the tags but be a dear and keep your anti-nashuri kink away from my art 💖

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I might be reaching with this, but I just came up with a possible realization. Namor and Shuri's dynamic kind of reminds me of Achilles and Briseis in a sense that they're both tragedies. I don't know much about the original myth, but I remember watching the film Troy, and I remember loving the romance between Achilles and Briseis more than Helen and Paris, lol.

Achilles saved her from being tortured and not only developed feelings for her but also respect. The reason this story is a tragedy is because they loved each other, but both lost people they cared about. Paris killed Achilles' cousin, mistaking him for Achilles, which caused Achilles to kill Hector (Briseis' cousin) as revenge.

Although Namor and Shuri are not lovers, both have lost people they've cared about from similar circumstances. I believe if there wasn't any bloodshed, they could've found a better way to make compromises, form a healthy alliance, and possibly something more. I also like to point out that Namor sees Shuri as an equal and not just a young princess, especially after their fight.

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I kind of have mixed feelings about this type of discourse in general. On one hand, I do find it irritating when non-shippers feel the need to infiltrate tags, make sure EVERYONE know that their ship is "superior," or tells us things we already know.

However, I've also been on the opposite side, where I've seen some fans talk about the death of Romanda in a way that diminishes or takes away the blame of Namor's actions. I do agree that you can still understand someone else's perspective without justifying or making excuses for them.

i see this trend with shur*ri shippers…

in their eyes, shuri and ramonda can do no wrong. only namor can be a bad guy and he k*lled her mom and is terrible 😣

what is missing in this point of view is UNDERSTANDING & EMPATHY. namor had reason for every action in WF. he is a FATHER, GOD, and KING. his purpose is to PROTECT HIS PEOPLE AND THEIR HOME.

ramonda THREATENED TO HAVE TALOKAN EXPOSED. she got HIS CHILDREN K*LLED by sending nakia in to save shuri and riri.

shipping nashuri or not, namor is not justified in EVERYTHING HE DID but he had REASON TO DO SO.

check out this girl’s post, she knows what’s up and wrote a post in response to someone criticizing that nashuri doesn’t make sense from a storytelling perspective 👀

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I don't know whether I'm in the minority or majority here, but I honestly don't mind Namor x Shuri not being canon. I think it's mainly because I just like their interactions in general, not just in a romantic sense. I feel like this ship probably wouldn't be as popular if it weren't for the actors' chemistry together. I'm more curious about what their interactions are going to be like in the third movie after such a cliffhanger.

I feel like the most realistic outcome would probably be them learning how to work together as allies after past trauma. I'm open to any other possibilities or theories that you guys have in mind.

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As someone who likes Namor x Shuri as a concept, I'm gonna need people to please stop trying to defend Namor or rationalize his actions. Trying to rationalize his actions only diminishes the actual damage and harm he's caused towards the climax of the film. Don't get me wrong, I like Namor as a character, but that doesn't mean I have to defend his actions, nor does it mean I have to downplay Romanda's sacrifice to justify a liking a non-canon ship. This is exactly why antis paint all of us under the same brush, thinking we're insensitive or only use Shuri as a self insert.

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*Sighs* this is probably the last I'm going to address this since I don't want my blog to turn into an anti page, but here we go.

For those who don't ship Namor and Shuri, that's fine since I can understand why people don't ship them. What isn't fine is purposely infiltrating tags instead of using the anti tags, antagonizing others, and then running back and painting Nashuri shippers as bullies.

Like I said in a previous post, just because a paring may not be sensible or realistic in the source material doesn't mean that people can't have their own interpretations or concepts. The best way to resolve this is by simply blocking these tags since arguing with shippers isn't going to solve anything.

I also like to point out that most of the antis I've seen are shuriri shippers. As a ship, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to this paring, I may not ship it personally, but I also have nothing against it. I also noticed the lack of content for this ship because:

1. They've barely interacted in the film.

2. Not many fans make content for Shuriri.

Maybe instead of putting energy into hating a (non canon) ship, it's best to make content for a ship you actually like.

There's also some generalizations or assumptions when it comes to nashuri shippers. I don't know who thought this, but we're not all white or are reylo shippers, lol. Nor are we automatically anti black.

The only valid arguments I can understand is how some fans feel the need to defend Namor by blame shifting onto other characters. Nakia killing a servant was only to protect Shuri. She knew nothing about Talakons and whether or not they were dangerous, so she reacted not only to protect Shuri, but what we can presume was also out of fear.

Queen Romanda just wanted her daughter back, she even tried to get Shuri back by speaking to Namor himself, yet he refused. Queen Romanda did make the decision to sacrifice herself, but I don't think that should be downplayed when Namor is the one who put the people of Wakanda in that situation. You can like a character and simultaneously acknowledge their faults. Namor isn't real and he doesn't need fans to defend him.

I may be getting a little off topic, but the point I'm trying to make is, just because you dislike something doesn't mean that everyone else should or is going to hate it. That's just how fandom spaces are in general. There are plenty of ships I dislike but I don't go out of my way to villainize or antagonize their shippers.

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These antis are something else 🤣🤣🤣

Listen, I understand why people don't ship Namor x Shuri given the context of Wakanda Forever, but just because something may not be possible or realistic in canon, doesn't mean that people can't have their own interpretations.

Also, why are people more invested in a ship they dislike to the point where they feel the need to infiltrate the tags? I haven't seen nashuri stans do the same thing to the shuriri tags as far as I know.

Edit: I also like to point out how whenever an anti infiltrates the tags and people call them out on it, they either backtrack or act like they're being harrased or threatened.

You were bold enough to post your opinion in a ship tag (you don't even like), therefore, you should be bold enough to recieve different opinions from fans of said tag.

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I don't believe the person who said this was speaking about Chloe stans in general, they're talking about those in particular who try to justify her behavior and hates anyone who criticizes her. It's one thing to express frustration with the way a character is written but it's another to defend Chloe mistreating her classmates and trying to excuse her racist comments within the show by referring to it as "ignorance".

You may not act this way, but there are definitely some who do and I don't think that should be ignored. There are sane fans but there's also extremely toxic fans as well, which can be applied to any fandom.

“I don’t necessarily dislike Chloe, but I do dislike her extreme stans/enablers. They’ll judge or hate anybody who doesn’t hold her hand or support her through redemption. First off, she’s a fictional character. And second, no one (in the show nor in real life) is obligated to like or support Chloe Bourgeois, regardless if she’s a kid or not. I just dislike how stans/enablers always try to make her everybody’s responsibility.”