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Hi! I like your analyses and would like to know your thoughts about Obito and Minato relations as Sensei and student. :)

I was rereading the chapter where Obito’s dream is shown where he returns to Konoha and he is with Kakashi all the time, his fellows are shown, team 7, but there is no Minato there, only as a rock in the background in one frame. Obito in his dream was 5th hokage, and there could be a frame where Minato passes him hat, but no, no Minato, he is not there even when they are standing at the Rin’s grave.

I know that he was bitter that Minato was always late to rescue them or wasn’t there for them, he said it to swirly zetsu and then during the war said it to Minato, but I wonder if he was that much bitter that even in his dream where he returns to konoha, he still can’t imagine Minato with them.

When he was in cave, I can’t remember did he even mention Minato? Because it always was Rin and Kakashi.

Hi. Thanks so much for the great question, I'm happy to see that my posts are pleasing you!

I was recently re-reading the specific Naruto arcs (Paine's attack, Naruto's birth, Madara and Obito's meeting in the cave, the kamui battle, and Kakashi and Obito's conversation) and I too noticed what you're asking about. When I watched the anime years ago, I got the feeling that Obito and Minato(+Kushina) had a very warm and trusting relationship. Several of their interactions and conversations were shown and it really looked very cute. The common dream, the love for the girl, the desire to protect. They're even both orphans, in fact. Everything literally hints that Minato should become a close person to Obito. An adult you can trust. Like Iruka, Kakashi and Jiraiya are to Naruto.

But it's all in the details. Contrary to what Kishimoto wants to tell us (Obito is Naruto who couldn't), he paints a completely different picture in the details. I'll explain it in a moment.

As I said above, Naruto had several adults in his life that he could trust and rely on. Iruka, Jiraiya, Kakashi, yes even Tsunade and Hiruzen to some extent. Naruto was an orphan, but he was open to forging new social contacts and relationships. But Obito is the complete opposite of him in that respect. Yes, he helps the grandmothers, but is he close to any of them? Or any of the other adults? We haven't seen anything like that.

In fact, it's so surprising. Despite being an orphan, Obito has absolutely no attraction to adults. Yes, he wants to help them, but he doesn't want help from them. He's an orphan, and orphans are taught to rely only on themselves. But at the same time, they always want adults to love and help them. Because that's what society does, you know? Parents give their children affection and love, and when children who are deprived of that see something like that, they can't help but be jealous. Think of Nagato, Yahiko, Konan and Jiraiya. All three haven't been with Jiraiya that long, probably less than a year, but even after almost twenty years, they see him as a father figure. They're blunt about it. This is what happens to other orphans as well. They meet someone who becomes like a father/mother to them and remember him warmly for a long time. Minato had Jiraiya, Haku had Zabuza, and so on down the list. Even Kakashi had Minato, though that has its own nuances there too. But who did Obito have?

Obito doesn't actively seek out Minato's company. Yes, he once asked him about Kakashi's behavior and teamwork, but that's it. Obito is left to his own devices, though not really. Rather, he's split the role and responsibility he has to attribute to Minato and the other adults to Kakashi and Rin.

If you start reading the Minato team chapters carefully, you'll see how interesting their dynamic is in terms of responsibility for each other. Rin heals and shows concern for the boys, she acts as a mediator for them and as if she needs protection just about all the time. Kakashi is directly responsible for them, he's among all three kids the most powerful as a shinobi, he's kind of the brains of the trio. Obito, well... He's kind of there. He needs Kakashi's protection too, but he also protects Rin. His status on the team is really hard to describe. I'm not saying he's weak and useless, rather he doesn't have a clear role and responsibility.

Their dynamic reminds me of a family in some ways. Not in the sense that they act like mother, father and son, but the way the internal balance of the team is structured. They're clearly in lockstep with each other. You see, even when we're shown flashbacks of Kakashi's story (chapter 239 of the manga and continuing) you know which page comes first after the intro? This is basically Obito's debut in the story, by the way.

We see the way he quickly runs to the meeting place and worries about someone killing him. That's Kakashi. He's worried about what Kakashi will say. Not Minato. Not only because Kakashi's opinion is more important in Obito's eyes, but also because Kakashi acts as an adult to Obito. The one who scolds him. The one who worries about him and is always lecturing him. The one who protects him.

Yes, they argue and fight a lot. Yes, they insult each other and try to humiliate each other. But Obito still listens to Kakashi and looks up to him as an authority.

Look at him. He questions Kakashi several times to see if he really means what he says. Why do you say that? Why do you do this to me? I thought we were on the same side. Aren't we as important to you as you are to us?

Obito doesn't think of Minato here or later. The nice anon is very correct in pointing out that Obito doesn't think of Minato in the cave and doesn't see him in any way in his life. When Obito is in the cave, he only thinks about Rin and Kakashi. I'd like to point out that he thinks of them on the same level. He doesn't leave either of them out and puts them as equals in his mind. And when we see his dream where he's back in the village, all we see is that he always has Kakashi by his side. Absolutely always. He's never a step away from him. And that's a very important point, actually.

When Obito was still in the cave, he was very clear about how he sees their future team. He, Kakashi and Rin will always be together. But where was Minato here? It seemed like only one mission away from them. But in Obito's mind, he isn't. To Obito, the team is Rin and Kakashi.

I want to emphasize how Obito has different attitudes towards Kakashi and Minato. Obito blames Kakashi for letting Rin die. Obito also blames Minato for not being there for them and such a tragedy happened to their team. That said, when Obito talks about how he doesn't care if his teammates are alive or dead, he is very much lying. Because Obito was always trying to keep Kakashi alive. He didn't kill him the moment he saw his hand piercing Rin through, he didn't kill him during the attack on the village at Naruto's birth, he didn't kill him in the kamui or any other time. That said, Obito killed Minato in the first available moment. And not just killed, it was damn revenge. Obito forcibly dragged the biju out of Kushina, blanketed Naruto with explosive marks, and took Kurama to destroy the village and wreak havoc. None of this was necessary, but Obito did it nonetheless. Why?

What. About. Minato.

Because Obito blamed Minato and couldn't forgive him. Because Obito blamed the whole world, the shinobi system, the villages, and Konoha in particular for this happening to him. That said, Obito had forgiven Kakashi. Even more than that, Obito shifted all the blame from Kakashi to the world and Kiri and went to take revenge on them already. But in Obito's eyes, Minato is not Kakashi. Obito is willing to sacrifice Minato for the beautiful future he wants to build, but Obito isn't willing to sacrifice Kakashi. It would be so easy and simple to take Kakashi's other eye and get all the power of the kamui, but Obito didn't even think about it. Because Kakashi is important to Obito, too important no matter what Obito says to himself.

Kakashi and Rin mean the world to Obito. Literally. They are everything to him. His teammates, his friends, his family. Obito relies on them too much. Too focused on them. Too dependent on them. That's what ruined him.

Minato and Obito wanted to be hokage, but their dreams are based on different goals. Minato wants to help the village and protect it. But Obito wants something else. I don't think he wanted recognition from the villagers like Naruto. As I explained above, he doesn't care much about other people. And it doesn't matter if they're adults or children. Just like Obito doesn't reach out to adults, he didn't have any close friends anymore except for his teammates. Obito wanted recognition from Kakashi and Rin. He wanted them to see him as a powerful shinobi. Someone who could protect them. Someone who could take care of them. Just like they cared for him.

Extra: while Minato was always late and never around, Kakashi tried to help. I'll just leave it here:

There were still reasons why Obito was so much in love, ahem, sorry, admired by Rin and Kakashi. They're Obito's support and backbone. Not Minato. And it's sad.

That's why this page of the manga is so important in Kakashi and Obito's conversation. No amount of people would be enough to fill the void in Obito's heart. And he never intended for it to be that way. He's not Naruto.

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he's been doing this for years

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obito is great

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The Rokudaime's shadow.

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The uchiha trio in akatsuki

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Tobi × Undercover Sukea Au

Kkob Week Day 2: "Secret Identity" @kkobweek

can u tell I like Sukea and Tobi cuz I love them so much, and I swear if tumblr think this is.. cough I will cry /j

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when naruto and his friends had their encounter w obito in the woods and they tried fighting him and he was still doing the tobi act so everytime he dodged one of their attacks he was like wowww huaa whoopsie lolll idek what im doing wuoowww as if he wasnt in complete control of the situation the entire time doing the most incredibly advanced space time travel magic shit that nobody on narutos team had ever even seen in their entire lives but he still kept acting so silly like 'whoops lolll almost caught me' even tho in reality nobody ever came close to even touching him like that was literally such a power move. like it was just so fucking funny. he was just clowning the shit out of them, they didnt even register what was happening. and then at the end when it was time for him to leave he just disappeared into thin air in the most incredibly dramatic and rad as hell way ever like:

naruto was right when he called him the "coolest guy" lol nobody did it like him

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Obkk au in which Obito has a bit less self control and openly stalks Kakashi when he's out of the village (he's not dumb enough to let people find out he can get inside Konoha anytime he wants) and it's a whole thing.

In canon everybody always recognizes Kakashi everywhere he goes. "The copy nin" "Kakashi of the Sharingan" in this au everyone knows that everywhere Kakashi goes, the weirdo with the mask is never far behind. It's even on the bingo book, "Hatake Kakashi. Sharingan user, Ninjutsu specialist. Signature jutsu: chidori. Last living student of the fourth Hokage. Constantly shadowed by a masked man."

It's driving everybody nuts. Danzo tried to kill Kakashi once, sent his root agents after him and they were slaughtered before they could even make contact. There was a note on one of them with a doodle of the stalker's mask.

The Hokage can't afford to keep one of his best soldiers inside the village, so every time Kakashi departs he does it in disguise, through hidden exits. Yet no matter what they try, the moment Kakashi steps outside the masked man is there, sitting on a branch, staring at him silently.

He never looks away.

Konan and Nagato pity him (and also are EXTREMELY confused).

At first Kakashi used to attack him, but his attacks went through him and he thought he was going nuts until one mission he went out with a team and turned out they could see him too, and they also could not touch him.

The man never spoke, never attacked.

Until Kakashi almost takes a sword to the back, but instead of the pain of steel breaking through armor and flesh, he only feels a warm spray of blood hitting the back of his neck. He turns, startled, and sees his stalker, closer than ever before, holding the freshly ripped off head of the enemy Shinobi that almost took his life.

When the information that the man would interfere if Kakashi's life was truly in danger, the smartest people ran the moment Kakashi showed up. The others lost their lives, usually by Kakashi's hand. The other times the masked man would interfere and easily dispose of those threats.

Kakashi got attacked almost exclusively with genjutsu and paralytics afterwards, always aiming to incapacitate, never to kill. Which was very annoying in Kakashi's opinion, but after a few years he got used to it.

Needless to say, the wave mission went very differently, with Zabuza cursing to high heavens the moment he recognizes who he is facing.

What the hell is he supposed to do now, the man's speciality is silent assassination. Killing is so easy, too easy. He's been doing it since he was five, he's a prodigy at it! He doesn't know how to incapacitate in a way that doesn't end up with someone losing a limb. What if he hits Kakashi too hard and the guy drops dead, huh? What then?

A few meters away, Haku sits on a branch besides the famous masked man, staring down at a group of bemused genin and one old man, an extremely embarrassed jounin, and Zabuza pacing in front of them, ranting and cursing and swinging kurikiribōchō around.

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slapstick comedy series where kakashi has less of a complex about his dad and just immediately starts attempting suicide after minato and kushina die like Welp my teammates are dead my family is dead there’s zero adults looking out for me i got nothing left to live for now besides the military that i don’t even like. might as well join rin! and obito (not actually dead, stalking kakashi in his free time) keeps having to intervene without letting kashi know that he’s alive or even that anyone is interfering at all and it gets to the point where kakashi is genuinely convinced that he is immortal by way of some divine will and starts coming up with new and increasingly elaborate ways to kill himself and obito has completely abandoned the tsukuyomi plan bc he’s too busy tearing his hair out over kashi’s latest suicide contraption

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Dabi, Toga and Shigaraki.... 💔

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we'll meet again

don't know where, dont know when

but I know we'll meet again

some sunny day

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seven years

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should probably start posting my commissions LOL, super cute batfamily sleep pile commission for @/upt0thestars!! :)

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Go ahead, say it! Just one more word and I'll knock your teeth out!