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brainrawt · 11 months ago
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Now that s6 is over,overall Jordayla thoughts? Stuff you could see them tackle potentially in s7?
I think S6 Jordayla was good. The relationship felt lived in and they remained buzzy still. 
6x01 = not canon to me 6x02–6x05 = giggles  6x06–6x07 = kind of uncomfortable actually! 6x08–6x11 minus 6x09 = SOO GOOD 6x12 = unfair on them 6x13 = beautiful gowns! 6x15–6x15 = could’ve lived without 
Very high highs! Some lows. And did not care for the post-married content sadly. 
The over-emphasis on the childhood crush around their wedding was a disservice to them, it was fine as a quick fanservice moment in 5x20. They have a beautiful love story that stands on its own and should be honoured. 
I don’t have any hopes for Jordayla at all. I don't enjoy pregnancy storylines, or post-marriage angst. Most importantly, I actually don’t want Jordayla to get All American main couple treatment… LOL? I kind of vote let them go out in peace. 
The writers DO do a good job with them overall each season so I may just be in for a treat, but I just think cracks were showing in S6. We shall see!
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brainrawt · 1 year ago
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Let’s hear the Jordayla specifics for 608
In this episode they hit a new peak for me, we unlocked something here. 
Layla is very tense and uncomfortable going into the therapy session, and then she starts the sentence “well my… pending marriage is…” and a small smile comes to her face as she just thinks about it, it's SO cute. We also see that Layla is so so so gentle and loving with Jordan, she is adamant “None of what’s happening is his fault.” There is absolutely no resentment or estrangement or anything with Jordan. In her first depressive episode, she turned against her boyfriend, best friend, father, student council - things that had previously enriched her life but she could not connect with at her lowest. Jordan is safe, and her person, and their connection is so intimate. She reminds the therapist I didn't only get engaged, there was X and Y, let’s deal with those! because she wants to do the work AROUND Jordan, and keep that one part intact. Layla wants to get better, that’s why she’s here - but she’s prepared to leave too, and tries to when she feels her relationship under scrutiny, because she’ll even carry on dealing with the rest of it, whilst holding onto him. Of course, he’ll let her go completely if it means she can heal. Tragically beautiful, two people who will always pick each other. 
When she asks Jordan “Do you ever get sick of taking care of me?” he’s surprised because no duh. Does she even remember what she did during his dad’s passing? She didn’t get tired of taking care of him, she did it because she wanted to, because she loves him so deeply, exactly what Jordan said in his response. She has no problem pouring her care into him, doesn’t blink twice, she loves selflessly, only sees a problems the other way around. Jordan can only reassure her, and continue to show her, he is honoured to choose her everyday. 
At bedtime, he somewhat uncomfortably brings up if she wants to discuss further. He wants to make sure she has the space to talk if she needs to, but he also gives the choice not to because he won’t push her. He just wants to gauge her headspace and give her what she needs then. She wants to park the therapy stuff for the night, leave the dark and gritty feelings, and just feel safe and sound in her happy place right now. Thee most married thing ever is when Mac is praising Jordan, Layla is smiling along with him. Very much “Your best is my best” because you’d think it's a compliment to her haha. Then when Mac is undermining Jordan, she’s frowning too. It reminds me of 4x16, when she walks onto campus and sees Jordan getting attention for his game, she’s smiling and teasing, then when she sees Wade degrading Jordan she is extremely bothered. The writers definitely rewatched 4x16 in the drawing room of 6x08, even the mentions of Simone, Jordan falling in love with Layla in that time, of course the mention of Layla’s darkest periods with Jordan. Layla revealed her mental state in the studio breakdown, just like she did in this episode. She made the commitment then to take the steps to heal. This episode felt like a sequel of sorts to 4x16. 
The comedy of the Mac/boyfriend bit was endearing, they are always light even when things get dark. In the entire last conversation, Jordan keeps it very together, even though we’ve seen this season that when he feels Layla pull away he can become a whiny baby, even though we can practically see his heart breaking right there. Everyone else has already posted enough about the selflessness of his love to offer her an out, I don’t need to give it more words here, but I will just highlight this. He doesn’t want to save her… he just wants her to be fine. He just came back from delivering “the meanest break up ever” but right now with Layla, he takes a pause and sets aside all his feelings, he is apologetic for the happiest moment in his life, he says the words “You don’t want to marry me” to spare her from having to say them, and he, in all earnestness and only with compassion, offers her an out. He is kind. Both of them, there is just a gentleness that they reserve only for each other. As we know, they both get sassy LOL. But with each other, they have a special voice, and sparkles in their eyes, and so much patience. “You still look at me like… that.” might be the most romantic thing I’ve ever heard. And what kind of hug, man. So tender, so comforting. 
I am now 100% sure we will see Jordayla’s wedding and daughter. SEATEDDD
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brainrawt · 1 year ago
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Layla 6x08 - my reaction
I am so happy to see Layla in therapy, and appreciative that she got such consideration in an episode about Billy giving letters to the other kids. 
I love that we’re asking questions! I love questioning what we watch, dissecting it, I love exploring character dynamics and relationships, and we have so many in this show. I love talking about my favourite couple clearly, so I love them talking about it too. We missed some conversations surrounding their engagement given it was a surprise proposal and then there was a time-jump to them just getting on with it, I'm pleased to address it now. I mentioned this in my 5x20 posts that I wanted to hear from them about their engagement, and honestly a lot of the doubts I had back then have kind of been relinquished now.
“Why did you propose to me?” So earnest, so vulnerable. Layla is trying to make sense of everything and she’s building ground up. “Do you love me more than you loved her [...]” We know so much about how Layla struggles to put her trust in others and accept their love and she did watch Jordan be in love and fail at marriage once on top of all the other relationships they've seen and been in, she needs to KNOW why this will be different (I asked for exactly this!). Not just want it to be, think it will be, but KNOW it will be successful. The whole conversation, Jordan was so tense and scared of what she might say, he’s scared by her questions because the answers, “Because I love you, obviously” “Layla I fell in love with YOU”, "We take care of each other", are very obvious and clear to him, but not to her. Depression can cloud your perspective and thinking. Asking the questions is so active, not passive, not avoidant, just such an effort on her part and so much progress in my opinion.
We’re REALLY sitting right up in there with her in this therapy session, exploring her struggles thoroughly and step by step. We’re not getting a snippet or a reference to it, we’re getting all of it, what a privilege. She’s so vulnerable in this space. Layla goes around as this mini grown-up, running businesses and handling herself, but it’s not true. She really is just that little girl, this flashback brought back that depth to her. A scene of her discussing her mum in therapy? Come on. SOO head-on, SOO true, so so honest and deep and so fucking good. What we’re learning about Layla, it’s new and different but all makes sense and adds to her and reveals what she carries at all times. She lost her mum, but she inherited her depression, and that journey unfolded after her death so only had memories to reconcile it all with. “What if I don't want to remember?” She is stripping all defences. As for the memory itself…
TRUE CINEMA!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST SCENE EVER ???! SO GOOD SO DEEP and genuinely so profound. I was holding my breath throughout the scene, the way Greta portrayed the aching sadness was phenomenal. I saw Jordan and thought it was just a parallel to their present. When the camera pans to Layla, I’ll actually never forget it, I jumped. In this one scene, we’re seeing Layla past AND future. We’re seeing her true memory AND her own fears. She is present in the one scene in TWO pov’s, she is the baby girl AND she is the mother. A masterpiece. How much is she in control right now? Is she able to manipulate the memory at all? How much is Layla and how much is Monica? How she breaks when she says “Not for her…” makes me question. Before she even understood what depression means, Layla has felt like she couldn’t keep her mum alive, and has carried that all this time. The dad says “Layla needs you.” Yes childhood Layla needed her mum, current Layla needs future Layla to show she can get up, future Layla’s daughter needs her, current Layla still needs her mum! It’s grief and anxiety and so many other things. I am just in shock watching this, I never expected them to reach so deep inside of her, she's baring her whole soul to us! And obviously I’m giggling a bit at seeing Jordayla with a daughter hehe. Truly a standout scene to me, the best I can recall seasons and seasons.
She has clarity, she has selfdom and reflections and convictions; you look at me like that, you are not my dad. The convictions are real; you’ve seen all of me, we’ll be okay, I’m not my mum. She knows, I don’t want to be like my parents, I want to marry you, I need time. She has asked all the questions and done the digging and building and they have led her back, to here, to Jordan. Such clear communication in so many words, not only apologies and reassurances but laid out feelings and thoughts! I've been looking forward to this. 
The way Jordan says “I sprung the proposal on you” is unshakeable. He’d take back the happiest moment of his life to save her any pain. “The thought of marrying me made you (that) unhappy?”, “You don't want to marry me.” Him saying the hard words, it’s part of the out. He’s letting her off from having to say it. He’ll even break his heart himself to spare her that much! A minute ago he was joking about should he be worried that she has all those breakup phrases, and a minute later he is in all seriousness offering to break their engagement, for her. He'll give her any length of time, he’ll let her go entirely. 
The episode has left me feeling a little insane. Time to digest it a bit more slowly and I’ll probably be back with more to say haha. 
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brainrawt · 1 year ago
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Jordan Baker + his Beverly Eagles kit.
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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So do you think Simone’s completely over Jordan? Bc I simply can’t buy that she is if she can’t be happy for Layla and I still think she was nice to Jordan bc she has some weird kind of hope that she still has a chance with him
Yes omg lol, I think she is over him. There is no more romance in that relationship. I think she was nice to Jordan at the end because a relationship with him is important to her. And a relationship with Layla is not so important to her. Which is unfortunate, because it was important enough to Layla to travel all the way to Bringston and talk it out. Also maybe in part that Layla knows what it’s like to be the girl that the guy leaves to date your friend for. I think it’s a little catty that she can be friends with Jordan and not Layla, but yeah for some reason Simone feels like they were close enough for this to be a huge slight against her but not close enough to work to restore their friendship.
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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Idk if you want to get into it but I always wondered what your thoughts were about Simone regarding the Jordayla situation. I personally don’t think she deserved to be upset or any of those feelings are valid esp considering her own emotional cheating and basically never caring what Jordan thought. And then the way she was constantly hating on Layla like I don’t understand why I should expect to be empathetic to a mean girl. Like she definitely wanted to have her cake and eat it and continue to string Jordan along and keep having those feelings for Damon. Please just weigh in if you can I’m really curious
Thanks for the Q. I actually haven’t watched AAHC so I’m missing a big part of the picture here.
The fallout of Jimone’s breakup was messy but I was always confused about what came from Simone and what came from the writers as agents of the viewers. The writers took on board a lot of fan commentary in the writing of S5 and it’s awkward and annoying (separate rant lol). By the end of S4, having been apart for ONE WHOLE SEASON, and falling into BETTER relationships, we were ready to give Jordan and Simone up. The 4x18–4x19 episode run was great, and so this S5 plotpoint of tension with Simone was annoying anyway. 
I think Simone is allowed to be upset that Jordan is emotionally cheating on her. Jordan and Simone fell in love for real, they have history, and even if just by name, that is her boyfriend and he owes her loyalty. Jordan had checked out of this relationship which is why he wasn't upset about Simone and Damon, whereas this relationship is what Simone kept coming back to when reconciling her feelings for Damon, only for it to turn out that it's not here for her anymore. She wasn't dating Damon, she wasn't trying to date Damon, so she hasn't purposefully done anything wrong. Nor did she un-fall for Jordan. I don't think either of them wanted to break up. But now, if both of you are in love with someone else, you have to.  
Thoroughly enjoyed the 4x18 confrontation. “Something shifted and there’s a connection” from Simone was cute and FAIR. Just very understanding and fair. The hurt was quite delicious to me. 5x01 is where it gets weird… 
The hating on Layla, booo. Hated that. I guess she wanted to blame Layla. She owes Jordan something, but not Layla, so it's easier to misdirect her anger there, rather than address their issues. She was butthurt that Damon was with Thea and probably angry that she was feeling guilty “for nothing”. Damon hadn’t chosen her and neither had Jordan. Fine, but why’s Layla in it…? She gets called out each time though. Jordan says “You pushing this Layla point to make you less guilty” and Keisha mentions her “glass house at Bringston” so it’s all transparent and unambiguous. 
In 2x07, I want to hear Simone's planned speech for Layla BADD. I don’t think Layla owed her a conversation, did she get one from Olivia? Jordan’s fight with Damon was confusing too. Honestly, these characters are just NOT as involved as they were making out lol. 
Simone is hardly a villain but wrong as hell for the Layla part. Her hypocrisy is highlighted but even in the conflict resolution, Layla’s innocence is not made clear enough!
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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Do you have any late thoughts on the proposal
Thank you for asking (ages ago - I am SO SORRY)!
I haven’t thought about All American too much during this hiatus but here’s some thought dumps. 
Jordan’s relationship with Layla has been a vehicle for displaying Jordan’s character development. He summed up his entire year with the word “maturity” and pretty much his primary plot in S5 was Layla. He is more mature now and we see it in his relationship with Layla. As a fan of Jordan and Jordayla, I’m happy to see how his character journey continues through the marriage chapter of life, and how it’s good and right. When he got married the first time, he didn’t ask his parents, he didn’t put in the work into the marriage afterwards, he didn’t tell his friends about it, he just did not go about it in a way that set them up to be successful at all. This time will be different. I did want to have heard his reflections but we’ll see them for sure.
In the last episode, Layla was the mouthpiece for the cons for marriage. I just can’t wait to hear them describe their decision and relationship. 
I just LOVE the later parts of a ship where we look over their past moments (Did anybody else just watch the Rina flashback montage in hsmtmts S4?!). When they call back to prom etc, when I hear their vows, I fear I won’t survive.
In S3, it comes up repeatedly that Jimone thought that marriage would turn their love “real”, whereas Jordayla’s love is very much already REAL. I did want to make a post about this but just don't have it in me to rewatch S3 lol.
To revisit their best friends era, just rewatch S4. To revisit their dating era, just rewatch S5. It doesn’t matter if it's too soon for them to get married, just watch S6 when you’re ready hahaha. I’m happy that a married era is being filmed and released of our favourite couple, who wouldn't be?
A cute thing – When he’s advising Asher about Jaymee, he talks about her being “not afraid to live.” Similar to 5x20, when talking about Jasher, we can hear into his thoughts about his own relationship. One of the main reasons for proposing is that after his traumatic experience, he’s eager to live, and he can only see himself doing it with one person. We see this theme repeatedly: “He wants to start a life with her” / “I don’t want to spend a day of my life without you knowing.” Also, whilst he’s giving relationship advice, Layla is heart eyeing him hard and it takes me back to the first time she caught feelings for him when he was giving relationship advice about Clay during the prom dance and she’s taken aback by that sincere passionate side of him. It’s still something that makes her swoon!
I’ve enjoyed their love story happening away from everyone, a little nervous for them to be in the middle of the spotlight. Oh, and I hope the marriage process is not to Billy-centric, hearing his name in the proposal almost sent me over the edge. Realistically, I know he’ll come up but I just won’t love it. 
I think the writers always (as much as a fan can ask for) get them right and will continue to. 
I’ve missed talking about Jordayla. Thanks for your ask anon!
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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Jordayla Proposal 5x20 - my (early) thoughts
I was not prepared for the proposal to be Jordan and Layla’s! That wasn’t what I had wanted for them. Jordan had a very long teen marriage plot, in which the show made it clear the whole time that it was a bad idea, even when Jordan was up for it. Getting married at 17: bad idea, wrong, shouldn’t happen; Getting married at 19: good idea (???) What, from the characters’ perspective, not ours, is different? I’ve been thinking about this all week lol, and I’m almost there, but I actually wish the show would explicitly tell me.
Obviously what moved me was Layla’s joy! I can’t get over it. She has opened herself to Jordan completely. There is no fear, she loves and trusts him enough to do something crazy with him. Layla wants someone to stay, and this is the biggest commitment ever, he will stay quite literally until death does them apart. She was missing a family for so long, and now she has one of her own. Not only does Layla feel that it’s a good idea, she believes it! In s3, she couldn’t bear to see Jordan go along with his plans with Simone because it wasn’t his path, and she speaks up, even when she had no stakes. If she thought they couldn’t or shouldn't get married, she would’ve said no. Saying yes is just so fresh for Layla’s character and exactly what I dreamed to see. 
Jordan saying “When I'm with you, I feel like I'm home.” is everything, given his entire life was uprooted recently. He chased an identity in his father, he was always uncertain and insecure, but now he feels at home. “You know who else makes a great pair? Jordan and Layla (…) Hashtag couple goals” - Cute moment but these are real reflections! He thinks they’re compatible, they were able to help their friends. He thinks of Layla as family already, she’s Liv’s sister and Laura’s bonus baby. 
Liv described Jordan: “He’s impulsive, he does things without thinking.” Yes, he is impulsive and he has still matured greatly. I have loved Jordan’s personal arc, and I don’t think he has to lose his character traits to be ‘complete’, nor do I think he needs to be ‘complete’ to get married. I see a lot of Joey/Pacey in Jordan/Layla and there’s a quote from them that goes: “Part of his recklessness is that he’s constantly surprising me and part of his rashness is that he’s intensely passionate.” This quote has never left me and I think it suits Jordayla well. These things about them can be true and make their love great. In a way, I think his decision is commemorative of his dad, but not because it's some product of his trauma. After a tortuous, life-long journey, Jordan and Billy ended in a good place, and football wasn’t their sticking point. They bonded over Jordan’s love and happiness with Layla. Jordan was robbed of more of those conversations but he knew Billy would’ve encouraged him. “Tell Layla she has my approval”, that’s what he’s doing. Maybe his father son prophecy isn’t to be a NFL QB, maybe it’s to embrace the love of his life. 
Jordan and Layla honestly do give me the vibes of a couple that would get married young. I have nothing against young marriage. I love young love in all its sweet, endearing, naive, full force, unprecedented glory. I just can’t stand when its young people trying to be grown ups lol. But in the proposal, Jordan and Layla seem so young and I LOVE it. From Layla's pigtails to the way they’re not super dressed up. They’re not at a bar or a record label event. How giddy they both are, Layla is giggling and gasping the entire time, and Jordan is just bustling around nervously. She lights up at the pretty ring and is excited to put it on, and they can’t get their hands off each other. Beyond obsessed at how he hugs her first, again so sweet and youthful, and a reminder that they are best friends! It’s like he wanted to share his joy with his best friend before he wanted to kiss his fiance, you know?! In general, they are very much a young couple in the way they flirt, get each other flustered, gossip, fight and make up, talk about each other to their friends, giggle and say hi. It's adorable and refreshing to the show, and the scene captured it well. I find the unbridled youngness of their love SO romantic and I like that the writers embraced it. I like that Jordan isn't pretending to be sensible, and I find it hilarious that he splurged on a ring and wanted to assure her before she answered that she deserved a fancy proposal with fireworks. Come on she’s a Material Gworl - they both are. And adorably well-suited, given that Layla is also a Wedding Girl! She knew what wedding dress she wanted like 10 years ago, and Jordan is absolutely a Groomzilla. Good for them, they enjoy weddings and they can have a great one together. It’s not something dutiful, it's not something otherly, it's something great and all theirs!
In developing their relationship, they’ve barrelled through it all. They could not love each other or want to be together, more. People say they haven’t been tested – just because you pass a test it doesn't mean you weren’t tested. Jordayla’s challenges have not been typical either, no break ups or other love interests etc, so it's cool that the next step for them is them figuring out marriage. It's not that they're going to just get whisked away this second and pop out babies. 
They have so much love to share. I love that throughout the hardship of Billy’s death, their love brought some love and light to their friends and family. Their relationship was the only thing that made Olivia smile, their coming out dinner allowed everyone to joke around and be happy for them. They were the light in those dark times. They have so much more love to give each other and everyone else! Asher said at his first wedding (lol) that Jordan was the glue for their friendship, I still believe this and putting this wedding at the centre of their vortex is good for everyone I think.
I enjoyed how it played out on-screen, your suspicions grew throughout the episode and yet none of us actually knew it was Jordan. So fun! I love how the scene cuts from Jaymee saying “...then who was the ring for?” to Jordan proposing. The immediate buzz from seeing them, and such an intimate moment, it was just gorg. It reminded me of 5x04 when their “I’m glad we slowed things down” scene cuts to them in bed. I know some people would’ve liked to see these events unfold but to me the gag of it all is just too good. The first watch experience is too perfect. They have other great slow rewatchable scenes like 5x03, 5x14 etc so there’s a great balance and I wouldn’t trade any of them. 
From a story perspective, I am excited about the potential of this. I think it will speed up our timeline. If we’re fazing out the adult stories now, I’d much rather see this! Definitely want to see all the character-focused stories, their bachelor(ette) parties, in-law scenes, all sorts of things. I’m excited to hear Layla’s voice re: their relationship. We did once in the Homecoming scene telling Simone that Jordan stayed, I want more!
The whole engagement is so unexpected and exciting that it gives me butterflies. I have no choice but to get on board because how is it that this same ship still gives me butterflies?! I felt this way in their “What are we?” era at the end of last season and yet again now in their engaged era. I don’t know how this will play out, but if it was up to me, they wouldn’t get married until late in the season, especially given that there’s likely more seasons to come. I want seeing them up there, having made it from the proposal to the altar, to feel suuuper earned. I hope they stay this fresh and exciting. I do get bored when ships get too far into being the “parent couple” so I hope I don’t live to see that day with my beloved Jordayla. I know the proposal is for a reason, the writers have a vision. By showing them at better and worse (5x11 onwards), in sickness and health (5x18), the build up was stunning and this couple has never failed me before.
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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what ep do you think the jordayla love confession will be in and how do you anticipate it going down
I hypothesise very little about Jordayla and I'm sure I'd be wrong every time— throughout s5 they’ve been constantly surprising me! 
I’m hearing the Twitter rumblings that it’s going to be 5x14. 
We have always known Jordan to be extremely forthcoming and he is extra appreciative of her right now, so I think it’s shaping up to be him saying it first, but personally I have always been team Layla. I just love their love story from her POV.
I could see it being as simple and natural and sweet as them just being together and just saying it –not a big deal, even. Watching them the last few episodes, it could’ve fit in any of their scenes! 
By not a big deal, I mean obviously a very big deal to me. 
The writers are so careful with Jordayla and care for them so much. They literally made up a red carpet plot just so Jordayla could get a pretty outfit and backdrop for their second kiss. (Having typed that, I just realised we’re getting the same for 5x14 👀) 
And they’ve almost been avoiding the L-word (Do you have feelings for me?”/ “The guy I have feelings for…”/“Does she know you’re crushing on her brother?) in a way that’s so intentional. Generally in teen dramas, “I love you”s come very quickly. Spencer realised his feelings for Olivia for the first time ever, and immediately said it. When Jordan took Simone on the field, he said it. Both of these were in the first confessions. Whereas with Jordayla, in their first confession, Jordan said “I have feelings for you, Layla.” They have paced it so that LOVE is its own stage for them, so it's really going to mean something of its own.
That’s the only thing making me think it’s not coming just yet. Maybe the writers have ticked off “gone public” as the current relationship stage and are holding onto the love confessions a little bit longer. But how much more in love could they be?! 
What a mess this post was. I guess my answer is no idea but I trust the writers and am looking forward to it so much!
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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Did Layla know first? (Jordayla)
Notorious to the Jordayla fandom is the question: Did Layla know about the feelings between them before his confession? She does, at times, seem to show an awareness of them.
1.) 4x07 - Prom Night / I think you're leaning
This dance is where things shift for Jordan, and Layla clocks him immediately. He said during their conversation that leaning indicates attraction and she says that he is leaning. It's just so bold I can only nervously giggle.
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2) 4x12 - Babies and Fools / Take a chance
Layla's dad encourages her to put herself out there and take a chance on love. She considers calling Clay but ends up calling Jordan. She listened to her heart which isn't something she does just willy nilly. At the mention of Simone, she visibly takes a moment to gather herself before carrying on. I think she recognises the potential of her and Jordan.
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3) 4x16 - Labels / It sounds like someone's jealous
Very similar to Prom Night and somehow much worse. Jordan is talking about who Layla has slept with and she flat calls him jealous. This is not a comment you whip out of nowhere even if you're mad. If anyone else had commented on this, she would never have said that -- maybe something nasty but jealous is just so specific. Obviously, Jordan is jealous and Layla recognises that there is another layer to Jordan's investment in her intimate life. In 4x06, when Jordan mentioned her sleeping with Asher, her response is he's judging, the hypocrisy of him re. sleeping around etc but doesn't think for a second he's jealous. Something shifted in that time since.
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4) 4x18 - Came Back for You / Pretty please
To bat your eyelashes at someone and know they'll fold is to know that they're whipped for you.
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5) 4x19 - Murder Was the Case / Blame me for your break up
After Simone confronts Jordan about his feelings for Layla, Jordan is avoiding her. She first thinks he's wallowing. Layla is able to pinpoint the exact point of Jordan's change in behaviour. It's not the past few days, past few weeks, since the apparel launch party etc. She literally says "since your break up with Simone" over and over this episode - I remember because every time she says it I think surely we could just say "break up" lol. She brings up that he might blame her for their break up and this is a conclusion she came to by herself. This is crippling self-awareness.
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6) 4x19 - Murder Was the Case / Jordan
When Jordan is about to confess, Layla knows immediately where this is going already and makes a last attempt to stop him. She starts to interrupt him but he blurts it out. And the rest is history.
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I'm curious what others think. Did Layla know first? When did she realise?
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brainrawt · 2 years ago
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Billy and Jordan 5x11 - my thoughts
Obviously I am very sad to see Billy go, but in this particular episode I was just feeling so fond of Jordan that it was compromising my grieving process for Billy. Jordan was kind of perfect in this episode. He wanted to help mend Billy's relationship with Spencer, his scene with Layla was cute, his scene with his family in the beginning was funny. When Spencer asked Jordan ���Whose side are you on?” and without a beat he answered “My sister” I melted a little, team Baker Twins will do it for me every time. Jordan as a brother to Liv is my favourite him and when he says these things he’s very earnest. When Billy dropped the Crenshaw bomb on him, we all held our breath for his reaction but he was very mature and just wanted his dad to be happy. We can imagine how high school Jordan would have reacted. Best boy vibes all around. 
Now I accept and honestly expect that Billy favours Spencer over Jordan, that the show will prioritise their relationship every time, that Jordan will be third best of Billy’s two kids forever, and whatever Jordan has been searching for from his father his whole life, he will never achieve. This is not something I get too bogged down about, I think viewers should know their show and manage their expectations or you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Somehow, I’m still disappointed. 
I think their last episode together was sweet, unfortunately everything good about it came from Jordan and not from Billy. I find Billy changing his mind about Crenshaw and telling his new team before Jordan just so despicable! When Billy told him as the first person about the GAU offer in 5x08, Jordan was over the moon. We literally watched things shift for Jordan before our eyes by those words. Personally, I got so hopeful that we might be entering a new chapter for them. To be valued like that by Billy is all Jordan ever wanted, he can’t talk about his future without mentioning Billy. His time capsule dream was “a life that makes my Dad proud.” He also promised to be the coach that Jordan needs and deserves. Jordan was so happy he was going around for days calling it top 2 best things in his life. Throughout his struggle with accepting the GAU job, Jordan only encouraged and supported him to do what’s best for him. Jordan had offers from amazing schools and Billy left him stranded. So let's run through this: Jordan was excited for his dad to be his coach, so naturally Billy had to reiterate in his voicemail, he wanted the job to be Spencer’s coach again. Jordan was excited his dad confided in him with his decision first, so naturally Billy had to make sure he told his team next time. Jordan wanted to support his dad through this new job, so naturally it took a conversation with Spencer to change Billy’s mind right on the spot. These feel like deliberate kicks at Jordan. 
I’m not done. Later in the episode, we hear about how much Billy loved coaching Asher and he was one of his favourite players. When asked to speak on the topic of fatherhood, aside from not knowing anything about parenting which is whatever as we’ve established the absentee father thing multiple times, he only recalls a memory of Olivia. I genuinely expected him to mention Jordan in this conversation once and my bar for Billy is in the gutter. And then back to the phone call, we hear how Billy feels like a father to Spencer. All sweet moments for the respective character but more kicks to me. 
I love the part where they talk about Layla, one of the best scenes ever. I do count this as a Jordayla scene, not a Jordan/Billy scene, hello Layla was pulling the weight here not Billy. I am glad they had the moment of course, it made me so happy how happy Jordan was. He is so content from his relationship with Layla that he is able to handle Billy, and I’m glad for him. When Jordan smiled and shrugged off Billy’s offer to make calls for him, I only felt sad. I think the showmakers count this one scene as it for them. 
What was it for? Making Jordan (and I) hopeful about their relationship and the mini “whose my guy?” arc, what was it for? We reiterate time and time again how important Billy is to Jordan, I just can’t understand how we are going to remove him without ever reaching any kind of conclusion there. In some way it makes sense, Billy going out the way he lived his life…
I am not a monster, I do have other more sympathetic thoughts about Billy’s death. This post just addresses the Jordan of it all. Perhaps if we were not teased with the potential of a better relationship, I’d heard the word “proud” from Billy once and Jordan had not been a cutie this ep, I might have been able to let Billy rest in peace, unfortunately I cannot let that happen. 
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Jordayla’s fight 5x08 – my thoughts
Without a doubt, the episode was great. One of their best episodes of the season and we know the bar was high. The moment they shared during Laura’s speech was adorable. But, the writer’s fingerprints were all over it! It was just too clear that the entire argument was written in FOR the line “I’d rather fight with you, than love anyone else”.  I imagine when they were making the first draft of that script, they just blanked in “argument” in that scene, wrote the rest of it and then went back and filled in the actual dialogue; Compared to their studio fight (my feelings about that scene are a whole other post), which was SO good because it felt like it happened naturally and more because they cared for each other so deeply and less because the writers had a hand in it and wanted them to hit certain beats. 
To summarise, Layla told Simone she was dating Jordan and he wanted her to have discussed that with him first and told Simone himself. If what they were trying to portray is them having a disagreement about the next step of their relationship - love it. 
Layla, my beautiful lonely girl, has always been on her own. She’s been parenting herself for years, her high school it-girl facade made her empty, she was failed in her friendships and relationships repeatedly, so her team has always been herself. Cue friend-to-lover Jordan who is adamant they discuss somethings significant together first. At the end of the episode, them landing on “We’ll face it together as a team” is a beautiful conclusion to me. In fact, I kind of wish Layla simply was in the wrong so that this whole thing was Jordan just aggressively loving her and wanting to break her walls circa s4. I might just choose to remember the episode this way. 
One thing I absolutely adore about them and makes them stand out from other ships, is that they are just so equal. This particular conversation though was more him going off and her feeling bad which I could not enjoy. And of course, the real sucker punch was *the* line: “She was my wife!” 
I felt sad - just let Layla have one thing! Her romantic life has never belonged to just her.
The truth of the matter is, Jordan just does not care that much about the Simone of it all, ahem “Wedding that never happened.” Not to say he did not love Simone, just that he was so passive in the entire thing. He didn’t fight for her, he didn’t do much of anything since Simone moved away for college. He didn’t even cheat on her and yet the break up was initiated because of his feelings for Layla. I just do not like how they handled Jimone and now it’s leaked onto Jordayla.
Lucky for me, the overlap between Jordayla and Jimone has always been very little. The common thing between them is Jordan, and yet they exist very separately. All the scenes of them in 5x01 are separate and even when Jordan mentions Simone to Layla then, there are no ex-husband vibes at all. He’s asking her if it's weird and you just might miss entirely that the stolen ex in question is himself. This energy from Jordan was definitely new.
And obviously we hate the wife line because, well, he likes Layla more! He has never priotised his relationship with Simone over Layla. In 4x18, he was moving crazy(!!!) and didn’t even realise, and I’m supposed to believe he would yell her name in Layla’s face? Or that he would yell at Layla period because he has neverr done all that before. If this conversation had happened in s4, I imagine he would’ve been like “Why didn’t you tell me…?” in a genuine effort to understand her. Another thing Jordan has never done is felt shame for his feelings, and not wanting Simone to not find out quite yet felt shame-y. I would say “She was my wife” is my least favourite thing they’ve said to each other but I rest easy knowing Jordan doesn’t mean half the sh*t he says, so it looks like “If you found someone you liked better than me I wouldn’t wanna stand in your way” keeps the cake. 
Most importantly, do I really care though? If THIS is them in a fight ie. complaining it was the longest 6 hours of their lives, sharing heart eyes and literally holding hands like normal, then do I even care if they're in a fight? I was giggling and kicking my feet whilst watching, I felt all the feelings they were going for, so honestly, that’s a job well done. 
I almost have to laugh at the fact that they could NOT think of a conceivable way to get Jordan to go off on Layla. Worse, they thought “Hm, what could these two be pissed about for approximately six hours including flirting and holding hands in between?” and they landed on “She was my wife.” So that shows to me all the significance of that conflict I needed to see lol.
In conclusion, whilst the argument felt contrived and Mike really did not need to add a whole clap, it was only supposed to be a one-episode conflict, and the drama, resolution and fluffy moments all delivered what they were meant to. Jordan was probably more frustrated at himself than at Layla. They were very sweet and forgiving of each other, an understated but excellent trait for a teen drama ship if you ask me. I just love them.
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