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You’re right. Sweaty Oracle is only trying to bring the drama and situation back because most people have forgotten about it. They just want attention (like they always do) I don’t get how the account hasn’t been banned from social media. Because I know most of the people on Broadway do not like him or the account. Also now trying to bring up that Brody hit someone and that’s why he went on vacation for a month. Like these articles that are talked about in the video never probably existed because Brody still isn’t big enough for something like that especially from a source like Variety. Also it’s so annoying that drama always starts up again after I see the show 😵‍💫

sweatyoracle needs to log off, seriously. also why are they talking about brody’s vacation like that wasn’t over six months ago like what? i think they just see that they’re not getting the attention they want, and the average tiktok user is dumber than a bag of rocks, so like…it’s not shocking. some idiot’s gonna believe them and that’s what they want. they need an actual job and to get banned from tiktok.

idk why people are still hellbent on dragging everything with brody on, i thought those rumors were debunked a year ago. it’s all so stupid.

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Firstly, I know you’re taking a break and I don’t want to bother you, but have you seen the sweaty oracle video yet? He’s talking about an alleged “horse” getting into fights with other people in the theater

don’t give him attention. he’s a clout chaser and viewing his videos only makes it worse. don’t feed into it.

it’s impressive how a year after the initial allegations people are still insistent on dragging these actors names through the mud, like your fifteen minutes of internet fame are up. people shouldn’t make claims as drastic as these or other claims people have been making unless there’s undeniable video/documented proof of it happening that they can share that isn’t just “it happened because i said so” or “oh but i heard it from a fifth partu source” it’d be so easy for em to go onto reddit and say “oh when i went to the show brody grant punched me in the face and sky threw his prop knife at me” and some idiot would believe me. anybody can have a microphone online, it’s who chooses to pay attention that really ties it all together.

sweaty oracle is a moron and he shouldn’t be taken seriously. he’s an immature man baby who has way too much time on his hands and likes to spread rumors about other peoples lives because his i so miserable. don’t feed into him. let people believe what they want. if there’s one thing i learned from running this blog it’s that no matter what kind of proof there is, someone’s always gonna refute it. the majority of the community hopefully knows that he’s full of shit and is smart enough to just ignore him. the people who are stupid enough to believe the things he says aren’t gonna change their minds, so don’t bother trying.

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before i go, i just wanna say that im unsure whether the archive is gonna be permanent or not—a lot of the reason im taking a break is both because i feel unsafe at times and because i have my own personal stuff going on. im glad ive been able to help cleanse the fandom a bit, but i don’t think that the threats against me, the constant dms and anons saying heinous things about me and other such things is really worth it. i’m glad i can help, but im not sure if this is permanent or not. i may come back, i may not. we’ll have to see.

however, i don’t think there’s a need for any copycat blogs of this. there’s always gonna be toxic fans, and they’re just gonna have to learn that the way they think the world works isn’t how it does. we just need to let things run their ckurce. yeah, it worked last time with calling out mckenna and co but how many more times are we supposed to repeat that? half these poeple aren’t really threats to the fandom/each other in the way mckenna and such was. parasocial behavior is always gonna be prevalent and we can’t do much to stop that. we can call them out, but they’re not gonna stop. nothings gonna come of it, and it’s putting the people who run the accounts in danger. i strongly advise you guys not to do this.

anyway, i’ll leave my asks open in case anything actually serious happens, but as of now i won’t be posting or answering asks that aren’t dire. i’ll come back when im ready.

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i think i’m just gonna archive my blog. i’m kinda sick of playing the mediator in the fandom. this blog was meant to keep people informed about allegations, not to talk about drama and call people out. i’m so incredibly mentally tired from both being in my junior year of high school and everything that comes with it, and from playing the mediator in the fandom. it’s not my job to call people out. if you guys want to call them out, go for it, but as of now, i really do not want any part of it.

this is random but i’ve been thinking for a while and frankly i feel like ive just been used as a mediator, and i don’t really like that. i could go into a whole rant about how running this blog has ruined the outsiders musical fandom for me but i won’t. i just figured id say that i wish to archive this blog for now. running it put me in danger the first time, and i don’t want a repeat of that. i’m frankly sick of it all.

thank you to the people who have helped me and have been kind to me, but i genuinely cannot take running this blog anymore. i hope you guys can understand.

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I feel like people don’t realize that believing you’re friends with the cast is just as parasocial as believing you have a chance of dating one of the cast members. They get noticed 500 times (because they tag the cast 500 times in every single post) and the cast may remember them at the stage door (because they’re ALWAYS there) and it makes them believe they’re friends which literally is not how it works.

people on tiktok have the brainpower of a damn squirrel, i wouldn’t be shocked that these people equivocate having their ig stories reposed with being childhood besties with the cast.

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I’m not sure if this was Jess and her friend group but a couple of weeks ago I saw a Reddit post from someone who went to the show for the first time and that a group of 3 girls were being inappropriate and giggling all throughout the show and the poster of this info said that Brent told them to shut up during Grease Got a Hold. And that made them laugh even more. How embarrassing. I also believe Jess was at this show and this is when she got the book.

yeah, i saw that. i dunno, i just heard she’s problematic

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excluding fan drama because i don’t interact much, i just want to know if it’s safe to support the cast members or if there’s anything serious i should know? thank you

i mean yeah, i think it’s safe to support the actors. the “allegations” against brody were made a year ago and literally nothing came of it and everyone who tagged on him kinda went away. other than that there’s no actual allegations or investigations that you should be wary of. people start rumors sometimes because some people are shit. unless it has genuine evidence or that person is knowingly being investigated i’d say it’s safe to support whoever you’d like.

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I didn't know about the stage door stuff with Jess, but I have always thought that she seemed like someone who people shouldn't be idolizing or putting on a pedestal in the fandom. She travels to NYC from Florida seemingly just about every weekend or two to see the show, but as others have pointed out, that's not the issue. She doesn't seem to be very self aware- when people ask her about how she can afford to go so often in comments and such she'll tell them to rush- which doesn't mention the cost of flights or a hotel/place to stay, which would be hundreds or thousands of dollars every weekend or two. It comes off as very out of touch and even harmful to other fans because they seem to idolize her and it creates unrealistic expectations since most people can't afford to just fly to New York City every weekend (money or time wise). Also, the way whenever she posts something on social media a bunch of fans flock to it and treat her like she's a celebrity because she goes to the show so often and "knows" the cast (and has had her content posted by the musical page, etc) is frankly kind of scary. She's been called out as problematic before for her behavior at stage door and the show- we shouldn't act like fans who act like this are any kind of role models, especially in a fandom that is predominantly made up of young teenagers who will see this kind of behavior and think that it is okay for them as well. I'm glad that we're talking about this because it's too important not to be talked about.

no offense, but i think her money/how much she spends is the least of our problems. it’s no one’s business honestly. some people are just able to afford to go more than others, i dunno. not my business and i don’t really care, sorry.

but you’re right on that last bit. this fandom is so cultish sometimes. why do we have to uplift people who’ve seen the show repeatedly? why only them? why can’t we support the smaller businesses and fan accounts who appreciate it form afar? why can’t we uplift all the fans? it’s all just so incredibly stupid and i cannot understand why this fandom is such a cult in that manner.

i don’t know anything about jess, i just got major second hand embarrassment from the og post about her. if anyone else knows anything tell me i guess? i dunno if i can really make a callout but yk i can try. the reddit page for the outsiders is for members only and im still waiting for a reply so

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Adding onto the things about Jess and Sierra — their friend Reese (@reese.a.barnes) went to the show with them and has been doing the same weird things as them. I know Hailey and Henry have reposted her stories. Notices from the cast are what fuel these McKenna repeats. They will do anything for attention, even if it's negative.

i mean, i can’t control what the cast does, and im certainly not blaming them, but i feel like sometimes there should be a line drawn between that stuff. it can be dangerously sometimes. like yeah, there’s nothing wrong with having your story reposted but it doesn’t mean you’re friends with that person.

i dunno. the parasocialism between both the cast members and the fans is kinda a problem. this show’s one of the most terminally online i’ve seen (not a bad thing! fan interactions and things like soc saturday are a lot of fun for fans and such) but it also tends to lead to things like this.

i dunno. i’m conflicted.

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I’ve just about had it with fans in this fandom being put on pedestals. Just because you’ve seen the musical so many times doesn’t make you a better fan than anyone else nor are you above everyone else. It opens the door for condescending and arrogant behavior because people let it get to their head.

THANK YOU.

i swear most of the people who frequent the show are absolutely unbearable. nobody fucking cares how many times you’ve seen the show dawg, you’re not better or a bigger fan than anyone else jsut because you see the show every week.

this fandom has a habit of putting people on pedestals and it needs to stop. it’s probably because the show has a younger demographic, and 14-16 year old girls can be very cliquey, but y’know? it’s gotta stop guys. i’m so sick of seeing people complaining about the fandom being so toxic when it’s been caused by the fandom itself.

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anyhow, i’ve gotta go. if anyone else has anything notable to share shoot me an ask. i’ll try to bring it up on reddit or smth, nip the behavior in the bud.

have a nice day.

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message to the fandom

Addressing the new issues at rise with whoever Juliana, Sierra and Jess are but please, please, please, for the love of God, stop putting people on a pedestal. We’re all equals in this fandom. no one person is better than the other. If you’ve seen the show once, you’re as much of a fan and know the same amount about a cast member as someone who’s seen the show fifty times. I don’t know why this fandom keeps harboring a community in which we tolerate bullying, harassment, stalking, doxxing, psycho behavior and other such activities. everyone’s all for calling out, but who got them to the point tact they’re at? Yes, outside factors okayed some role, but the community has shaped these people. Stop giving these people attention, stop putting them on a pedastol, stop encouraging this behavior. Stop fostering this kind of community. Y’all complain about the fandom being “so toxic!” and “people are leaving for no reason!!” and “people look down on the fandom!!” but then you never do anything about the people who are in it. You got them to the point of fame they’re at, you put them above everyone else. I’m aware it isn’t just the fandom’s fault, nor is it even the entire fandom’s fault, but the fandom is just gonna get worse and worse and more people are gonna see it as one of those horrible fandoms if we keep allowing people to act this way in our community.

If you really want people to stay in the fandom, then you have to get your shit together. The moment someone shows signs of creepy or unwanted behavior, you stop interacting. If you’ve keep following them and interacting with them even after their bad behavior, you are just as bad, if not worse, as them. Nip the bad behavior in the bud. Stop allowing people like McKenna and whoever this new group are to have fame in the fandom. Stop interacting with these people.

Now, am I blaming the whole fandom and saying the whole fandom is gross or at fault? No. Anodlutely not. Some of y’all are actually really sweet. Am I saying that we need to stop complaining about the toxicity when we’re at fault for allowing behavior like this? Yes. Being kind doesn’t cost you jack shit. Telling someone to stop isn’t being a bad person. Not interacting with someone after creepy or suspicious behavior isn’t bad.

That’s what I have to say.

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Hi. I wanted to send this to you here because it seems the Reddit is inactive. I’m /sincerely/ concerned that a new McKenna and Co are on the rise. And no, I am not here to start drama, spread hate, or bash anyone. Simply here to tell you that a new group of problematic people are showing the beginning signs of what has been called out before. I’m hoping we can just be aware of who we are putting on a pedestal. I don’t know if this was a good place to send this or not, but I assume you know better than me in how to get this information out. I’m so genuinely concerned that we are going to keep repeating this cycle.

- jasonschmidtheads — Juliana / Jude

Since she is now a very frequent attendee of the show, and is gaining a following, here are some facts. This person is one of the individuals involved with the brownie stagedoor issue from last year. When a cast member denied taking a homemade brownie from her and another person, they drunk called and voice messaged this cast member via Instagram for hours. Keep in mind, Juliana is 18, not old enough to drink.

On top of that, I know that she has called cast members’ significant others (like Daryl and Sky) the following terms: wh*re, b!tch, stripper, etc. She has stated that various cast members would get with her if they could. She is a prominent shittalker, bootleg leaker, and rushes to claim the discounted seats multiple times a week. She has also bashed cast members in messages and in verbal conversation, especially Brody. I know she is blocked by a few cast members.

- sierrahunter13 - Sierra

This person made up an entire relationship with Brent Comer, doctored fake messages / screenshots to perceive that she is dating said cast member, and is genuinely just weird to interact with. I’m sure someone has the screenshots of her story about the cast member. She is an adult but is close with many (I mean many) minors in the fandom, commenting stuff like “My girl 😍” and “Love you 😍😍” on stuff minors post. In hindsight, not a bad thing; however, if she doesn’t truly know them outside of Outsiders stuff… It’s so weird. Flies from across the country multiple times a month and acts like she knows the cast.

- tulsatripswjess - Jessica

This person has been called out before but Jess sent her little army of people to downvote and comment. I am aware she has been posted by Outsiders social media before too, but so have many others that have been called out. That doesn’t change anything. I’m here to say that it is absolutely 100% true that this person and her mother are insufferable. Flies multiple times a month to see the show, even though she is a minor. Sits front row multiple times each trip. That’s not what the issue is though!

Jess has forced people to spam the comments of Soc Saturday for the cast to notice her. She has messaged multiple fan accounts, and has started copying their ideas, posts, and everything. Literal copy paste of someone else’s account. Her and her mother have asked cast members at the stagedoor about who their vocal coaches are in the city, which in hindsight isn’t weird to ask; however, asking an actor at their job questions like that? Weird as hell. Worst of it that I have heard is that she was yelling at her mom at the stage door: “Mommy take my picture with Dan!” “Mommy take my picture with Brody!” And will throw temper-tantrums at the stage door if certain actors don’t come out. She is also in the crowd of people who publicly make stage door ahd the fandom look unsafe and unhinged, I.E. her tiktoks of her crying at the theatre when certain cast members are on / not on. Someone even called her out in the comments and the reply was “The cast knows us.” They don’t know you. They know you from your stupid shit, your whiny attitude, and your cringe antics, which really isn’t cute or funny. She acts like she owns the fandom.

I am genuinely concerned that if we don’t stop these people now, we will see McKenna and Co 2.0.

i’m genuinely so done with this fandom i swear to god…

i’ve heard shit about sierra (i have screenshots too that the person who took asked me not to share so i guess you’ll have to take my word on it which…yeah, i know how that is, i know being all “oh trust me” isn’t exactly trustworthy but yk) but still that’s a bit…weird. i dunno why so many people are hellbent on saying the cast knows them and whatnot.

i used to watch soc saturday over the summer before i was pushed out of the fandom/kinda jsut stopped watching and i remember seeing a lot of stuff with “say hi to jess! can you say hi to jess?” which is odd. i know she’s a minor, does anyone know her exact age? regardless of whether she’s 14 or 17 though that’s not an excuse to complain when a cover is on or act like an entitled brat. i think her mom’s the root of the problem tho, if she’s allowing that sort of behavior. i got genuine second hand embarrassment reading the bit about her ngl, but still. you’re allowed to be disappointed if a certain cast member isn’t on, but keep it to yourself. when i went in february, brody wasn’t on and it was kinda just a “well that sucks! anyway,” moment. like yeah, not seeing your favorite cast member kinda sucks, but it’s not the end of the world. i don’t get why people who frequent are upset whenever they don’t see their favs like they’re not gonna be back the next week, lmfao. but anyway that’s not important.

i thought the brownie girl was called out already? i suppose not though. but yeah, you’re right.

this is kinda just a little message to the outsiders musical fandom but please, please, please, for the love of god, stop putting people on a pedestal. we’re all equals in this fandom. no one person is better than the other. if you’ve seen the show on eve, you’re as much of a fan and know the same amount about a cast member as someone who’s seen the show fifty times. i don’t know why this fandom keeps fostering a community in which we tolerate behavior like this. everyone’s all for calling out, but who got them to the point of entitlement they’re at? both outside factors and the community have shaped these people. stop giving these people attention, stop putting them on a pedastol, stop encouraging this behavior. stop fostering this kind of community. people complain about the fandom being “so toxic!” but then you never do anything about it. you got them to the point of fame they’re at, you put them above everyone else. i’m aware it isn’t just the fandom’s fault, but the fandom is just gonna get worse and worse and more people are gonna see it as one of those horrible fandoms if we keep allowing people to act this way in our community.

do better.

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I haven’t heard anything new, and I’m not going to assume it’s all taken care of, but does management know what is happening?

i dunno atp. i’ve stepped away from it and i’d prefer to keep it that way.

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Yeah a couple of weeks ago Melody blocked one of the people from that group on her Soc Saturday live and then said basically not to say mean things about her or the cast and that it wasn’t ok

yeah, that was foisting around. a simple statement won’t stop them though, frustrating as it may be. the whole thing has been left on pause and i intend to keep it that way unless something substantial comes out.

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I fear I missed something, the Emma girl who was mentioned who is that again?? Just like trying to piece things and people together

the sixteen year old who made the 🍇 jokes and said she hoped brody 🍇d one of their friends. she also helped dox stay golden and was one of the main contributors to that.

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emma is still actively commenting under the casts lives on instagram

nothing we can really do about that. her parents know, that’s all we can hope for. it’s up to them now to hold her accountable.