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[bunybunn]

Now that my brain is back to being full of Tubbo related lore I want to talk about the quiz trial that Teal titans had to go through because not only in was incredibly interesting but also surprisingly cruel.

First thing that happened and was unusual was the way tr!Aimsey got separated from the rest and unable to talk to them but hearing them. While they could send whispers to them if I remember correctly tr!Aimsey was also being watched by the keeper in front of him. While they still could see the other members if they looked down she was distracted by the keeper which lead to tr!Aimsey not keeping an eye on the situation in the most important moment.

And what was that moment? Of course the one about how many REAL members do teal titans have. It's crucial to point out that the team did choose the answer that said 5 first. Sure tr!Tubbo was complaining out including Scott BUT HE DIDN'T PRESS THE 4 BUTTON BY HIMSELF. In fact he wasn't even standing close to it and even move closer to the rest of the team as the 5 button. Despite all of that the answer was incorrect according to the message in chat. This of course throwed everyone in chaos.

On one hand we have tr!Aimsey who wasn't looking instinctively assuming that it was the team that actually picked wrong or to be more specific that tr!Tubbo pressed the answer he wanted by himself. It showed Supreme Leaders distrust in their own team. On the other hand the team in the room with the buttons had another confusion to deal with as they started to questioned what could be the right answer if the obvious 5 was rejected. The reaction from the team was focused on on the how would keepers interpreted it. Who the keepers counted reaching for technicality. So they answered 6 because technically speaking tr!Bill isn't out since he hasn't logged in. Incorrect. Then they finally tried 4, perhaps keepers were a Scott denyer or perhaps they didn't counted the Supreme Leader? No, incorrect once again. They end up pressing 3 because that was the only answer left really— Wrong again. Not a single answer was correct.

And then comes the whisper "Why is it so hard to decide on the number? You're a faction right?"

It seem so unfair since we saw EVERY SINGLE BUTTON being pressed. Was there even a correct answer to being with? Did all the members needed to verbally agree to one number? If so it was never established with the previous question. It seemed it was made to be unfair but even then why? Why only teal titans having to do something like this? So many questions unanswered...

[bunybunn]

Man I need to yap about tr!Tubbo because the latest lore drop is rotting my brain

First of all q!Tubbo and trTubbo are very much the same but how he got he into trsmp realm?

This leads us to second thing we know about trTubbo he has close connection to the realm and to the keepers... He clearly knows more then the rest and we take the words about him being THE 4th wall this paints very interesting picture that leads to more questions

Now with what we know about keepers and them being previous "heros" of the realms perhaps trTubbo was one of them and got away? What if Creation is connected to how he manage to avoid keepers fate? Perhaps Creation was made from the original body of tr!Tubbo that was effected by whatever happened and then was modified to protect the existence of q!Tubbo. What if q!Tubbo's attempt to time travel failed instead pulling him back into a realm he already was part once before?

The End event opened so many possibilities and questions that I still am thinking about it...

[bunybunn]

My brain has been full of tr!Tubbo's and keepers of the realm relationship because it's so obvious that the keepers have a very soft spot for tr!Tubbo as they literally listen to him at times and help him out.

On the other hand there is Snubbo, a form that tr!Tubbo seems to be able to take at will while still having lifes and still retaining his memories from the time he was in said form. This is especially interesting since if I remember correctly there is connection between snails and the keepers.

All of this contrasted with the tr!Tubbo's attitude toward the keepers. He is fully taking advance of being favored however he himself isn't really that supportive of the keepers.

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Oooh I really love their idea that nuke did happen especially since it was really important to c!Tubbo's character. I personally like to think that nuke just wasn't strong enough to destroy the prison and it's radius was smaller but the radiation killed c!Dream and c!Punz while c!Tommy survived because of his body being messed up after resurrection and c!Tubbo and c!Jack survived because they were more used to radiation due to them working on the said nukes. Or perhaps it was the goddess of death deciding to spare the trio giving them another chance to live their lives to the fullest. C!Jack's addiction also works nicely with that since the reason he said he liked it was because at least in gambling he had a chance to win, unlike when he was fighting.

I'm so gald that both c!Niki and c!Jack did ended up giving their characters a proper ending. The op was so right for pointing out how often there was no communication between dsmp members and it's even more obvious when you compare it with the lore focued smps that came after it. There were moments when it genuinely felt like the only lore that mattered was the one made/involving the most popular members. The beginning of Egg plot was such a big example of it for me. I remember people complaining so much when it became the main plot.

I dont care about Tommy or the feels. Quackity's ending is the true ending of Las Nevadas and Jack manifold can suck his apples about it. I despise his ending "taking over Las Nevadas". Leave Las Nevadas blown up, and good residence.

While i think is sweet Tommy and Jack cooked up a good ending to Tommys lore after everything, I do NOT like idea of Jack who did basically nothing for Las Nevadas lore "inherit it" without any say or input from the CCs who actually fucking DID contribute to the lore, hell, i dont like dream and he contributed more than Jack.

My honest opinion i never liked Jack he always seemed the odd man out, the plus one and I was honestly surpised to learn he was ever on the DSMP because he gave off the guy off not apart of the main group (that group being the dsmp players) but there for kicks because the group enjoyed him as a friend. Of corse this is horrible wrong, hes BEEN on the dsmp what the fuck am i on.

He just gives off... off putting vibes i avoid? Even more so than the others? I dont have a justified reason yet. Yet.

But my way to have my cake and eat it too is that Jack Manifold is writing letters to Tommy, keeping touch and is jusy lying out of his fucking ass to Tommy so he wont worry about him. Las Nevadas did get blown up, twice. Once by Dream and Purpled, rebuilt by Quackity, Foolish and Sam, then blown up again, by Quackity himself and that is its end.

And thats my take. That way Quackity didnt recon his lore, because he DID talk with Foolish about rebuilding in the "orginal ending", and i get the Tommy happy ending.

My bias for this version doesnt explictly come from a hatred for Jack specifically, but generally tired how on the dsmp the CCs are CONSTANTLY contridicting and ignoring eachothers lore, i remember hearing stories from early drama of people not being warned about their builds being destroyed for lore reasons and having their lored ignored by more popular CCs and even Quackity has fallen victim to this by Wilbur who in hindsight was NORTIOUS for doing this to his fellow CCs, if he couldnt rewrite their lore or control it.

So it just bugs me a lot to see Jack and kinda also Tommy jump onto that train and try and "claim" las nevadas, even if as a joke. It rubs me the wrong way and i DO NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT. .

And it makes it all the more satisfying after stewing in that bitterness for some weeks on end, month or two maybe, that Quackity blew it up. Now no one can have it. Its gone. And i rather leave it that way.

[bunybunn]

No because every time I look back at it it's always so ridiculous especially I context of all the other controversies that happened with the members of that server.

All this bullshit Dream is spewing and Tommy still got more flack for saying he 'gets lesbians' as a literal child.

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I personally interpret no one being around as not necessary everyone leaving but rather just not being around to meet each other. Think about c!Tommy who said he left but from time to time visited the area. Besides we can take under consideration that c!Jack had to get out of the prison somehow so tu that could be enough time for the first rebuilding of Las Nevadas and with the idea that somewhere down the line c!Quackity decided that it was a failure and decided to blow it up we can image that he was busy setting that up while c!Jack was completely focused on gambling unaware of anything and anyone beyond that. Also interestingly enough I'm pretty sure q!Foolish and c!Foolish are the same characters implying that he had left c!Quackity at some point.

I feel like the two endings can very much coexist and they should become man all of cc deserved to have a proper closure to their characters.

I dont care about Tommy or the feels. Quackity's ending is the true ending of Las Nevadas and Jack manifold can suck his apples about it. I despise his ending "taking over Las Nevadas". Leave Las Nevadas blown up, and good residence.

While i think is sweet Tommy and Jack cooked up a good ending to Tommys lore after everything, I do NOT like idea of Jack who did basically nothing for Las Nevadas lore "inherit it" without any say or input from the CCs who actually fucking DID contribute to the lore, hell, i dont like dream and he contributed more than Jack.

My honest opinion i never liked Jack he always seemed the odd man out, the plus one and I was honestly surpised to learn he was ever on the DSMP because he gave off the guy off not apart of the main group (that group being the dsmp players) but there for kicks because the group enjoyed him as a friend. Of corse this is horrible wrong, hes BEEN on the dsmp what the fuck am i on.

He just gives off... off putting vibes i avoid? Even more so than the others? I dont have a justified reason yet. Yet.

But my way to have my cake and eat it too is that Jack Manifold is writing letters to Tommy, keeping touch and is jusy lying out of his fucking ass to Tommy so he wont worry about him. Las Nevadas did get blown up, twice. Once by Dream and Purpled, rebuilt by Quackity, Foolish and Sam, then blown up again, by Quackity himself and that is its end.

And thats my take. That way Quackity didnt recon his lore, because he DID talk with Foolish about rebuilding in the "orginal ending", and i get the Tommy happy ending.

My bias for this version doesnt explictly come from a hatred for Jack specifically, but generally tired how on the dsmp the CCs are CONSTANTLY contridicting and ignoring eachothers lore, i remember hearing stories from early drama of people not being warned about their builds being destroyed for lore reasons and having their lored ignored by more popular CCs and even Quackity has fallen victim to this by Wilbur who in hindsight was NORTIOUS for doing this to his fellow CCs, if he couldnt rewrite their lore or control it.

So it just bugs me a lot to see Jack and kinda also Tommy jump onto that train and try and "claim" las nevadas, even if as a joke. It rubs me the wrong way and i DO NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT. .

And it makes it all the more satisfying after stewing in that bitterness for some weeks on end, month or two maybe, that Quackity blew it up. Now no one can have it. Its gone. And i rather leave it that way.

[bunybunn]

Didn't the Quackity's final lore stream for all 3 of his character kind of implied that he only full blew it out after what looked to be a good while after the Las Nevadas ending? Technically speaking both could have happened with Jack being earlier in the timeline.

Beside I wouldn't say Jack inherited it rather he indulge in what Las Nevadas was originally made for... Gambling. Like that's literally what the final moment of Jack's stream was. Besides I feel like a big part of Jack's pov in that stream was how Dream smp was absolutely empty, even if you "claimed" something it didn't matter because there was no one there at the time.

There is something quite dark about c!Quackity not even knowing that c!Jack find his way to his cassino as he blow it up.

I dont care about Tommy or the feels. Quackity's ending is the true ending of Las Nevadas and Jack manifold can suck his apples about it. I despise his ending "taking over Las Nevadas". Leave Las Nevadas blown up, and good residence.

While i think is sweet Tommy and Jack cooked up a good ending to Tommys lore after everything, I do NOT like idea of Jack who did basically nothing for Las Nevadas lore "inherit it" without any say or input from the CCs who actually fucking DID contribute to the lore, hell, i dont like dream and he contributed more than Jack.

My honest opinion i never liked Jack he always seemed the odd man out, the plus one and I was honestly surpised to learn he was ever on the DSMP because he gave off the guy off not apart of the main group (that group being the dsmp players) but there for kicks because the group enjoyed him as a friend. Of corse this is horrible wrong, hes BEEN on the dsmp what the fuck am i on.

He just gives off... off putting vibes i avoid? Even more so than the others? I dont have a justified reason yet. Yet.

But my way to have my cake and eat it too is that Jack Manifold is writing letters to Tommy, keeping touch and is jusy lying out of his fucking ass to Tommy so he wont worry about him. Las Nevadas did get blown up, twice. Once by Dream and Purpled, rebuilt by Quackity, Foolish and Sam, then blown up again, by Quackity himself and that is its end.

And thats my take. That way Quackity didnt recon his lore, because he DID talk with Foolish about rebuilding in the "orginal ending", and i get the Tommy happy ending.

My bias for this version doesnt explictly come from a hatred for Jack specifically, but generally tired how on the dsmp the CCs are CONSTANTLY contridicting and ignoring eachothers lore, i remember hearing stories from early drama of people not being warned about their builds being destroyed for lore reasons and having their lored ignored by more popular CCs and even Quackity has fallen victim to this by Wilbur who in hindsight was NORTIOUS for doing this to his fellow CCs, if he couldnt rewrite their lore or control it.

So it just bugs me a lot to see Jack and kinda also Tommy jump onto that train and try and "claim" las nevadas, even if as a joke. It rubs me the wrong way and i DO NOT LIKE IT ONE BIT. .

And it makes it all the more satisfying after stewing in that bitterness for some weeks on end, month or two maybe, that Quackity blew it up. Now no one can have it. Its gone. And i rather leave it that way.

[bunybunn]

Hey I'm all for headcannons and aus but I'm also a big fan of the original story and how that's played out. Changing for how many years the story lasted does place it as an au. In other words looking at the canon they definitely were not an adults so saying that people saying it is somehow bad/wrong/incorrect and saying that they don't have canonically ages is bit dishonest which was the reason for my original reblog.

But then you started taking how teens/kids fighting in war would be unrealistic ignoring the possibly of child soldiers who are historically realistic and using teen living alone and taking care of a child as proof they must be adults which only works as an argument if you ignore the fact that of Dream smp isn't a place where real word laws exist and are executed. In reality in the story there wasn't that many moments that you could point at to say "this character was written to be an adult" because the story was live improvised by streamers who's personality was heavily link with their characters. There was literal time in this fandom where the c! wasn't even used because rp back then wasn't that heavy. That's the canon whether you like it or not.

As for your last argument about the trauma, sure being immature can be a result of it but if you look at c!Tommy's story he is immature before he experience any trauma as you can see in the first discs war. In other words it can't really be used as an argument to explain all his behaviors just doesn't works either and once again him being young and immature at being of the story is integral to his characterisation.

The dream smp fandom is rooted in fanon and that's why there are so many different au which once again is great but canon is canon and it can't change, at least not now that the dream smp is definitely done. If you step away from canon you have an au.

An angel dies when someone calls c!tommy a kid or says he's 16 when by all means he's implied mid 20s by the end of the series, same with c!tubbo and c!ranboo, plus they all to my knowledge have no canonical ages

[bunybunn]

See you are assuming that world of Dream smp was not extremely disfunctional which is not the case. Like I pointed out one day on the server was th and same as on in real life. The only instances where that was not the case was the afterlife/limbo and the tales of smp stories (because of time travel). The L'Manberg revolution didn't lasted years, it was short but brutal conflict.

Also actually Tommy's 18 birthday is reference during negotiation between New L'Manberg and Dream about the potencialy punishment for burning down c!George's house. Earlier in the same vod Tubbo also references his actual year of birth while in character.

I feel like trying to age them up does disservice to the story itself as it takes away the tragedy that it was. It was full of trauma and insanity and the fact some of the members were just teens adds to that. Besides Dream smp was not realistic because no matter how hard you try it's story is mixed in with Minecraft mechanics. Many of the laws and rules that would apply in real word doesn't exist there. Why wouldn't teens live alone? Why wouldn't they adopt random zombie pigling? There is nothing actually stopping them.

As for Wilbur's original idea, it isn't cannon because it never was part of the actual lore and because Dream smp was an improvised mostly (the script was just points that needs to happen ex. C!Schlatt's death was a point that needed to happen but cc!Schlatt was just improvising what to say or do exactly) and not made with the idea of rp originally in mind most characters was quite close to how the streamers playing them were.

For example c!Tommy didn't acted like adut especially not someone in his early 20s. That was very much a teen behaviour with how reckless and stubborn he was. Him being immature because he was young was such an important part of his character.

It just doesn't feel right for me to try to age them up to make things feel more "normal" ignore big part of what Dream smp's story was. It was full of destruction, cruelty and immoral. The only truly mature c!Tommy we see is the one in cc!Jack Manifold's last dream smp stream and even there you can see how different he was from when the dream smp was ending.

An angel dies when someone calls c!tommy a kid or says he's 16 when by all means he's implied mid 20s by the end of the series, same with c!tubbo and c!ranboo, plus they all to my knowledge have no canonical ages

[bunybunn]

Not to be this type of person but almost all of the character played by streamers share the basic characteristics of their cc. Additionally considered that all the dates of the events on the server correlated with our real life time so the duration of the smp also lasted the same amount as it did for the viewers.

This means that at oldest we saw c!Tommy was on the cc!Jack Manifold's last dsmp stream and that would still make Tommy 20.

The only time I remember anyone implying any different ages for character was Wilbur talking about but even he said he didn't really used it if I recall correctly.

An angel dies when someone calls c!tommy a kid or says he's 16 when by all means he's implied mid 20s by the end of the series, same with c!tubbo and c!ranboo, plus they all to my knowledge have no canonical ages

[bunybunn]

Tubbo suddenly slandering this site like that??? I don't think it's that bad??? Is this place still plaged by smut???

[bunybunn]

I fee like it really showcase how Dream does things to look good more than anything.

Speaking of Wilbur situation Dream responded after Wilbur posted his "apology" and if you see how he formulated it he proved that he is capable of understanding how an proper apology should look like. Hell he even talked about how important it is to believe the victim. Looking back at it with the perspective of his reaction to Caiti taking about her experience it seems that either just hypocritical or simply dishonest.

What makes even worse he didn't just show George support after the guy make his video. Like correct me if I'm wrong but he started defending George first before George even addressed it. He very much inserted himself there without hesitation ready to invalidate not only Caiti's story but also her feelings. That's what made the reaction feel so fucking sexist.

Similarly with how women that were part of Dream smp was treated make his "I respect all the members of the smp" feel ironic... Which also makes me notice how he only calls out his audience when other people started to making a big deal out of it and he never got proper called out for how the woman were treated there since technically speak he wasn't the only one responsible. As long as it doesn't make him look bad he doesn't care.

Also I need to add to this again, sorry for the 3 people that follow me and are done seeing this

But the fact that Dream’s first reaction when he learned about Caiti accusing George of SA her was to directly think that it was Aimsey master plan feels slightly sexist/hypocrite to me.

Dream made a long ass post telling Wilbur to fuck off for what he’s done to Shubble etc.

But when a girl accuses your best friend of grooming her, ur first reaction is directly « it’s fake, it’s a plan to make us seen bad ». Are u fucking kidding me? Your first reaction was to think she was lying, A RECURRENT THING ASSHOLES SAY TO WOMEN. How can u say that u care for women after this? Being a true ally to women is to detach yourself from known/alleged abuser INCLUDING YOUR BEST FRIEND.

And detaching yourself from abuser is something Tommy did without hesitation (you know the guy that Dream called without a backbone)

Dream you are such a fucking hypocrite and everyday u prove it more and more.

Edit (just me ranting more) : This also connects with the fact that he never supported the women on the DSMP, never said anything about them getting so much hate bc of their gender/bc they were close friends etc, he didn’t care then and he for sure doesn’t care now.

[bunybunn]

Hey now he also make Tubchunk which was bit more unique so that gives him whole two building styles.

Tubbo has one (1) singular building style and I feel like I should be financially recompensated for the flashbacks it gives me sometimes

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I feel like a lot of people felt that way too. Dream's specific brand of humor and behavior were giving early 2010's in worst way. For me the best example of it was the "jokes" he was throwing at Mexican Dream. Then you also had the dnf bullshit where it was clear him and his group realised that the there are people who really eat up stuff like this and were pushing it as much as they could. Not to mention the way he responded to any criticism (speedrun controversy and his reaction to people calling his merch lazy/ugly).

Like I fee like it wasn't that hard to figure out this might not the a good guy.

I honestly love people finally seeing the reality of Dream. I knew something was off about him since day 1. Finally, people are getting on board. This dude was never a good dude. His marketing felt like it was meant for minors, yet he used foal language 24/7. Idk, that just seems like a red flag. And he just gives off Nickelodeon Slime Brainrot vibes. This is exactly why I've been a Hermitcraft stan since day one. So far, they've only had one bad apple in the bunch, and they immediately threw him out. No drama. Dream always gave me scumbag vibes, and I'm so glad my speculations were correct.

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I must have done something wrong because thid popped up on my for you page:

And like... That's such an dishonest take because I'm pretty sure that's not the case. Most issues people have with Dream is because he is a dick and people call it out. Just because the person he was dickhead to dedicate to not make it a big deal it doesn't mean it's a none issue. Like if you hear that someone did something like that you can say "huh I don't want to be around this guy" or simply start to dislike him.

Also Dream liking the post really shows his character once again because he is essential agreed that this way of thinking is correct. No wonder his stans are so toxic if that's what is see as positive in their fandom.

Also considering the drama he just had... It was definitely not just people being offended on others behalf. This guy just can't take any opinion that is not positive about him.

[bunybunn]

it's so blatantly obvious how hypocritical dream is being with the situation that's been unfolding the past few days because like??? "i hate when people make false allegations of me without evidence" and then accuses tommy of child labour without evidence? tells sarah simons that he doesn't want her to be attacked but does nothing to stop his fans?? i've noticed you're very articulate and perceptive regarding this so i wanted to ask. HOW and WHY do dream stans keep supporting him like i truly cannot fathom how 😭😭😭😭 best wishes from someone who enjoys your posts a lot

Why and how is pretty easy, they don't want to listen to anything that would mean that they are not in the right by supporting Dream and they also have Dream providing them excuses. Viewers tend to mirror their favourite content creators after all.

Although to be fair it's something you actually see with fans of any person that turned out to be an asshole or just literally a criminal. The idea is to grab whatever excuse they can to justify why they refuse to stop their support. Think about that one Wilbur's fan saying that the biting was consensual therefore it doesn't count. If you know the situation and use your logic you should realize how insane that was to say by that person.

Dream stans are especially fascinating since Dream is feeding in to the idea of parasocial relationship with his fans. He made a phone number his fans could text and Snapchat account that allowed them to communicate with him and feel like they were closer than they were. Then you have they way Dream was responding to both fans and people who criticized him on Twitter. This makes it easy to trust him and be devoted to him.

The second important thing is that Dream makes himself sound logical so if you don't have any other context and he and/or his friend group is all someone is watching it's easy to take his words. Additionally he often makes himself a victim by saying that everyone else are either lying or attacking him. The us vs them mentally can make a perfect excuse to ignore any arguments that don't fit the narrative they know.

Of course not all Dream stans are the same, I feel like with the reputation that his fans have it became welcoming to group of people who don't need convincing, for example during dsmp it was a perfect place for abuse apologist. In case of people like that they simply resonate with his arguments and don't see how he could be wrong.

I believe that it is likely that Dream enjoys having fans like that as it means he don't really have to take responsibility and still be see as the good guy in those people eyes at least.

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Im very understanding of Jack being vocal about the cheating rumour. One because its an awful thing to be rumoured about when untrue. And two because I have seen some people take that rumour as fact for years now. Mostly by people who hate him. Also made me really happy when tubbo said that it was totally untrue in his stream.

Yeah definitely it's such a shit thing to make rumors about too. On one hand I'm glad that we have a solid conformation that it was baseless but on the other it shouldn't be brought up in the first place. While the fact that that rumor existed amongst haters for a while is not surprising it feels like something that should never be brought to wider audience especially by someone who said himself that he knew ther rumour was false.

I feel like Jack was on to something when he talk how it seemed almost as if Dream was doing it on purpose with how Jack "rumor" was the only one that were given a hint to what it was exactly. That was such a dick move.