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You said that raising the age of majority won’t cause more child abuse to increase and that children who are physically, mentally, emotionally, or verbally abuse. Can just call up CPS and get remove from abusive home quick and easily there are problems with that notion. Down below and you check out this link too if you want

http://therecouldbecolorsandlove.tumblr.com/post/140618471555/adultprivilege-to-the-person-who-said-becoming

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The problem is that child protective services is far from perfect there is corruption within said organizations. A lot of the Cops and claim workers are often dismissive towards claims of abuse. Non physical abuse is often difficult to prove legally. It often takes months before a person get's removed from their parents. Assuming their case of abuse was believed at all because many adults usually assume that most young people are just immature entitled brats. Also it not like CPS agents inspect the homes of every parent in the country on an weekly basis. Even if they did the parents can just cover stuff up until the CPS agent is gone. I know I've said it before but there is a strong likelihood that the CPS agent will take the parents side over the children's. It's not like the children who don't have rights are able to sue CPS for corruption and by the time they become 25 or 26 they are probably don't even want to. Due to the mental scars finally even if there case is taken seriously. They would still have to live with the abusive parents for months onward until their case is brought to a judge and heard by a judge. Even then the judge can rule that the parents weren't abusive even if they were or assign the child to another family just as abusive or even more abusive. So once again raising the age of majority to 25. Is just going to have a bunch young people dying or suffering. Also, in the era before Women could vote, work, or own property. Would you suggest that a hotline and a government agency dealing with domestic abuse. Is all that is necessary for women to not suffer abuse from their husbands and keep them safe from abusive husbands and didn't need anything else if so why? The real answer to child abuse is to break the powers of parents. To treat cases of child abuse - even those currently considered culturally acceptable - as on par with or worse than any other form of domestic violence or assault-and-battery. To both legally and culturally derail the idea that children are somehow the property of their parents, and establish that people are people, with no time-frame for that becoming true. CPS, by definition, cannot do this; they are only in the business of reassigning ownership, not dismantling it. That when you suggest raising the military age enlistment age higher that scares me because the reality is that it is easier and quicker for a person to enlist in the military and get shipped off for Basic Training. Than for them to wait for CPS to remove them from an abusive home. This opposition to people under 18 and 25 joining the military seems to come from the fact you don’t want them in combat jobs. You do realize that most of the jobs within the military are not combat related such as cyber, intelligence, logistics, finances, maintenance etc. So I don't get why you would be oppose to people under 25 or 18 joining the military. As long as they can't choose any combat jobs.

Also if you can check out the video on my Tumblr page and as you listen replace Japanese with adults and Caucasians with minors and try to argue with me. That there is no parallels with how our modern society treats minors and justifies it. 

Hey the common age of legal adulthood in the West is not an arbitrary “cultural” thing, it’s ideally 18 at a minimum because that is when the human brain has gotten past its most intense emotional and hormonal development hurdles.

The difference in judgment is staggering even between someone who just turned 16 vs. someone 16.5; we do a MASSIVE amount of mental growing and changing crammed into those first two decades at a pace unrivaled by any other species.

And then even after your psychological state has calmed the fuck down around 18, we now know the effects of adolescent development continue until about age 25. You got over the worst of it, but 25 is when the parts of your brain responsible for the bulk of your reasoning skills actually wrap up their growth process.

Some further maturation seems to continue between 25 and 40, but some countries now recognize 25 as the official end of “adolescence” as far as psychologists are concerned.

This is why someone 20 should not be dating someone 16 even where it’s legal, why a 14 year old boy shot by police should not be described as a  “man,” why we should be raising the age of military and police enlistment by a couple of years, and people probably shouldn’t start driving cars until at least 18-20 either.

If you’re under 18 you actually are mentally and physically a child in the most objective possible sense. That’s not an insult to any of you 17 and under, just try to have a nice childhood while you still can and don’t sneak into bars and join the air force and shit, you’ve got like up to 80 years ahead of you for that.

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A. You never identified what you consider abusive actions that a parent would or could do and why these actions should considered abusive.

B. It not like people under 18 can simply and easily live on their own if they want they have no choice but to live under their parents roof. If they are sixteen they might be able to get their parent’s permission to join the military but that isn’t likely so from 16-18 they are suck with their parents. Also it is not as if as soon as they turn 18 money, food, and a place to live magically falls out of the sky. 

C. No one forced parents to have children and children are legally stuck living under their roof.

Children who don’t respect their parents piss me off. Children who hit their parents piss me off even more wow. Obviously in the case of abusive parents I can understand, but your parents deserve all your respect for raising…

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Please shut the fuck up you emotionally abusive and condescending asshole

Children who don’t respect their parents piss me off. Children who hit their parents piss me off even more wow. Obviously in the case of abusive parents I can understand, but your parents deserve all your respect for raising…

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Generally the youth liberation/rights movement are fighting for a society that has very little age restrictions. There is debate within the movement if there should even be an age of majority at all and if so what would that age be 13 or 16. With the stipulation that people under the age of majority would have an easier time becoming an emancipated minor. Now if you’re talking about age of consent most of us would be okay with it being 18 and people under 18 who have sexual relations with people within their age range being protected via Romeo and Juliet laws on a Federal. In other words if a 14 year and 17 year old are having relations neither one would be charged with a crime unless there was rape involved. To be in porn keep it at 18 and military let it be 16 or 14 without parental permission but keep them away from combat jobs. We are okay with these age limits not due to hypocrisy but more so due to pragmatism. As we achieve more victories create a more youth rights friendly world maybe our position would change on some of these age restrictions.   

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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This often anger parents more than it confuses them. 

nothing confuses parents more than the suggestion that their children have human rights they are obligated to respect.

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I don’t know why you see as an adult privilege versus an human/civil right but whatever. I don’t feel like responding to your other points because at this point I think will be just repeating/talking over each other.

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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1. You never said what you found problematic about point D and I which were “When it comes to the rights of others you don’t look at generalities you look at the universal picture an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere and what not.” and “Under our current society and government that is exactly what it means.”

2. Why do we need age limits for people to be able to leave their homes and live elsewhere instead.

3. A part of freedom is also the freedom to be wrong.

4. What evidence do you have to suggest that anarchy will ensues if age restrictions that don’t involve sexual activity were removed.

5.  “I specified nonabusive homes because I’m talking about people who know their parents aren’t abusive” that statement excludes gaslighting, conditioning, and stockholm syndrome.

6. Also, the person might have some objection to continue living with their parents regardless if you find their objection reasonable or not.

7. Finally, if you had no dog in the fight because the issues prohibition logic talked about doesn’t affect you then why comment on his post I’m glad you personally voluntarily live that lifestyle but there are people who don’t and don’t want to be forced by law to do so.

Sorry it took so long for me to respond I was busy with other things. 

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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Part of my statement was problematic what I was trying to convey was that child abuse is more than just beating an child and it comes in all forms that are not currently recognized by in society. I think it would’ve been better for me to have said “The myth that child abuse is an one size fit all kind of thing really really really needs to die.” Which I think is an important message that society needs to understand because society often times all sees child abuse in forms of beating and nothing else. Unfortunately I don’t know how to edit an submission once it is sent sorry if I caused any confusion.

The myth that child abuse is an one size fit all kind of thing really really really needs to die because what might be heaven for some people can be an living hell for another people have different tolerance levels/breaking points what might not be abusive to one person can be consider textbook example of child abuse to another.

I’m going to have to disagree with this. Child abuse, is abuse. There aren’t varying levels of abuse in domestic relationships and parent-child relationships aren’t an exception. Invading someone’s privacy (without consent) is abusive. Physically assaulting someone (without consent) is abusive. Being talked down to (without consent) is abusive. The nature of a relationship does not change what is or is not abusive. If a child consented to their parent monitoring their position when said child went out with friends because that made them feel safe, or if a child consented to their parent censoring what media they can consume because it made them feel protected, then situations like this where the child consents to such actions are not abusive. However, 99% of the time what happens is that a child does not consent to these actions and the parent will put tracking software on their children’s phone, or will prevent them from watching certain shows or movies or playing certain games, etc. That is abusive behavior because the parent is restricting the child’s freedom without consent, regardless of if the child actually benefits or enjoys that behavior.

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“why people want to rush out of a non abusive home” Why might be heaven for some people can be an living hell for others people have different tolerance levels/breaking points what might not be abusive to you can be consider textbook example of child abuse to another.

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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1. Do you personally have any arguments against the Tumblr post that I linked to?

2. Don’t know how point D and I angered you.

3. “My point wasn’t just call somebody and you’ll be just dandy. My point is that those legal provisions exist to begin with.” Your initial answer seemed to convey/imply that systems in existence to fight against abuse don’t need improvement and fighting against abuse is easy “If there is abuse, there are hotlines and resources for people of all ages already in place to remove them from that situation.” I’m sorry if I misinterpreted what you initially typed. 4. Also the financial hardships that you listed aren’t an argument against youth rights/liberation but serves as more of a critique of capitalism.

5. I’m sorry for the pain and suffering that you and your family have undergone I’m glad you’re doing better now and I’m sorry if I came off as abrasive but youth rights/liberation is near and dear to me I’ll work on my abrasiveness in the future.

6. Finally if I assumed you spoke out of ignorance it is just often times be people who are opposed to youth rights/liberation often do so under the assumption most kids have happy and wonderful lives except for an abused minority that are quickly and easily rescued by C.P.S and I’ve ran out of patience for such people. For example this post here http://adultprivilege.tumblr.com/post/95753042461/im-15-and-i-just-want-to-say-this-is-the-most

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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A and B. I don’t know if you read the Tumblr post that I linked to and people change every single day of their life. C. At least you don’t want people under 25 facing adult sentences.

D. When it comes to the rights of others you don’t look at generalities you look at the universal picture an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere and what not.

E. I’m glad you agree but we also need laws to keep parents out of their kids earnings. F. I meant to say no controlling them arbitrarily and a lot of the financial inconveniences that you bring up serve as more of a critique of capitalism than anything else. Also, if fees, taxes, and bills are such a hardship it seems that best course of action would go to a minimum security prison and enjoy the height of privilege.   http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/85843983330/i-love-how-50-of-the-arguments-ageism-apologists

http://adultprivilege.tumblr.com/post/92567217921/titspirationall-ourladyoflattes

http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/113591557496/im-not-ready-to-be-an-adult-who-let-me-adult

http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/147630992916/fuck-off-with-the-adult-privilege-bullshit

http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/66592025785/19th-century-sexist-oh-my-god-patriarchy-is

http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/113591557496/im-not-ready-to-be-an-adult-who-let-me-adult

G. Abuse takes many forms and it long, lengthy process to prove abuse, and abusers don’t always get persecuted.

http://adultprivilege.tumblr.com/post/62984720838/to-the-person-who-said-becoming-emancipated-is

H. Sounds less like an argument and more of an admission of defeat.

I. Under our current society and government that is exactly what it means.

Respond to this only after you read the Tumblr posts that I’ve linked to otherwise don’t waste my time.

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.

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I agree with what both of you guys said I don’t see why we can’t combine your guys ideas together. I only disagree with this part “help rich people, and their kids (most likely) don’t need the help from a trust fund” because they are middle and upper class kids who kicked out and receive no financial support from their parents for arbitrary reasons such as being LGBT and were prevented by their parents from having a job and/or keeping their earnings at least currently. 

Is this a good or bad idea, a law requiring parents of a certain income bracket or higher to create and maintain a trust for their kids until they turn 18. That parents can only put money and not take out any money but the kid will have access to the trust when they become 18?

While I have no issue with making a trust fund in of itself, I think the child should have access to the trust fund whenever they wish to access it. If it’s being given to them then it is their property and its no one’s right to say what they can or can’t do with it. On top of this, a law like this would only really help rich people, and their kids (most likely) don’t need the help from a trust fund. ALSO i think this would be an incredibly difficult law to pass because it is quite niche but still forces rich people to do something regardless of if they like it.

Personally, i think a good solution to making sure parents give their children the tools they need to survive would be some sort of law where parents have to pay child support monthly directly towards that child, and i think the amount they have to pay should go down if they are paying for food, shelter, clothing, education, etc etc.(realistically if you were completely taking care of them on their own i don’t think you should legally be obligated to pay that child support. I do think you should be giving your child regular intervals of cash for them to use but thats a different conversation) There are too many parents who dump their children into the world and do nothing to actually help them, and if these people were legally bound to support that child in whatever home that child wound up in, i think it would discourage a lot of people from recklessly getting pregnant. I also think this would open up opportunities for children to choose what parent/guardian they wish to live with. For example, parent A is their birth parent but is abusive, but parent B is in a healthy relationship with this child but cannot afford to house said child. Because parent A is legally obligated to pay for that child’s well-being, then the child could choose to live with parent B without worrying so much about monetary needs. Essentially, I want a reformation and strengthening of the current system of child support. I want it to cover more than a situation in which a child’s parents get divorced and apply to all parents.

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http://isupportyouthrights.tumblr.com/post/129318415148A, You didn’t provide any scientific evidence that people shouldn’t date or marry until they are 25 you provided anecdotal evidence. 

B, This post deals with brain development arguments http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/158256726331/unicorns-at-arbys-dragon-in-a-fez-for-real

C, So if people under 25 are drinking, voting, or anything else would you be okay with them suffering adult prison sentences for breaking these laws?

D, “25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years” Not everyone gets to live to see 25 let alone 70 tomorrow is never never ever ever guaranteed.

E, “by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities.” How would they be financially capable by 25 if they are still dealing with child labor laws up to the age of 25?

F, People aren’t in a hurry to grow up they just want to live their lives how they want without others controlling them. These posts back up my point http://dragon-in-a-fez.tumblr.com/post/160936106761/adults-just-let-kids-be-kids-an-actual-kid-okay 

 http://isupportyouthrights.tumblr.com/post/75761274341

http://isupportyouthrights.tumblr.com/post/129318415148

G, If everything is raised to 25 how can people under age of 25 leaves homes/families that are abusive because if a LGBT person is under 25 how would they be able to leave on their own and if a person in a Christian family wants to convert to another religion how would that work if their parents forbid them from doing so?

H, If the world is a dog dog eat world maybe we should change the world and make it better people for all instead of restricting people under 25.

I, Finally voting is a human/civil right and the people under 25 aren’t magically shielded from the decision that elected officials make regarding this country. A voting age of 25 just says to this country that people under 25 don’t matter that is a horrible message to be sending to people. Also is not as if the people under 25 helped put Trump in office it was the people 50 and over that did.   

This is all I have to say on the subject good day.

I saw your post on Prohibition Logic agreeing that everything should be raised to 25 because the human brain does not finish developing until you are 25. So does mean that you want military enlistment age, child labor laws, voting, owning property, signing contracts, owning firearms, gambling, and being able to be nude in a mainstream movie be limited to the age of 25? Finally why do you want children to be serving adult sentences for drinking if they brains aren't fully developed?

Actually, I honestly wouldn’t mind it one bit if all of those things were raised to 25. I know I’m not ‘normal’ for preferring that. But 25 is only the beginning our lives in comparison to our 70+ years. Why is everybody always in such a rush to grow up? You will never get your youth back, enjoy this time of lack of major responsibilities. And by the time you reach 25, you will be much more mentally and financially capable to handle such responsibilities rather than being thrown headlong in to a dog-eat-dog-world.