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[dandelion-static]

I’m inclined to believe you have no actual idea exactly what your friends wrote, and how they were perceived. You’d know exactly what I was referring to throughout my response then.

I used ‘getting off’ because that’s exactly what all the comments under their works were. It wasn’t just me, it was everyone who read it. Toisiit had claimed their intention of writing it was to display how disgusting it was, referenced from their public apology. Yet, most if not all of the comments under their work were consisted of praise and arousal to the featured characters interactions.

Comments like, “sorry Lucas, but papa Claude is too hot!”, “I’m going to hell for loving this”, “that last line was so, very hot”.

And toisiits responses to those? Despite saying the fic was to display how disgusting it is? “AHHAHAHAH it’s golden isn’t it?”, “yes, we do love our sexy papa Claude”, “yes, the true forbidden ship~”. Toisiit claimed that it was just to be nice, but honestly? That’s encouraging them. Especially when they said their whole reason of writing it was to portray how disgusting it was.

I’ve only seen the bare minimum of three people in those comments ever saying how disgusting it was. And you know what one was responded with? A whole essay saying how they were screwed up for thinking they supported it. What else is there to think? It’s smut of a father and daughter on a fan fiction website. If your works is glorifying it and painting it in a positive light, what is the reader supposed to think? That you don’t support it???

You can’t compare fanfiction smut to literal EDUCATIONAL books. You go to academia to learn and be taught. You go on sights like AO3 to be entertained, not to put on thinking glasses. Proof of this? All the people who supported the work and the people who didn’t were defending how it’s ‘a forbidden ship’ and not ‘showing how disgusting it is irl’. No one saw it as that. And no one corrected them.

And what I was talking about by villains? Felix in Toisiit’s work stumbled upon them and was disgusted. What happened to him? He joined them. Jennette in another work stumbled upon them? She was locked away, raped, and killed. That’s what I meant by, ‘within the story, the people who found it wrong were treated as villains or later contributed to it’. The ‘forbidden ship’ was portrayed as something good, as the heroes. That’s what was wrong.

No one clarified what the intention was. There was no disclaimer of “this is supposed to make you feel disgusted” anywhere, and it was never reinforced by the authors’ responses. There’s nothing else to think other than ‘they support it’. And it’s the truth, isn’t it? They do support it, they like how a daughter and father look together despite how sickening it is. It’s not harming anyone, but it still means you liked the concept of a father and daughter screwing each other, especially when she’s a child.

And having the excuse of, ‘minors will find it anyway so might as well still make it’ is crap. The problem was, is that it was made and that it entertained people in the first place. People are entertained with the idea of a father and daughter consummating. Even if it’s fiction, it’s screwed up. Just because you and I can tell the difference doesn’t mean everyone will, and is the whole reason why it’s a problem.

I apologize if I come across very angered and passionate about it, and I am. I just can’t figure out how any of it appeals to anyone.

Since it's hot in WMMAP fandom, here. Let me drop this on you.

The media and content you consume doesn't necessarily have to define you and your morals as a person. There's a difference between liking something in fiction and supporting them in real life.

What writers write in this fandom (yeah, I know I've seen AO3 and Wattpad. I am friends with a lot of authors in this fandom. Hi Lithium, hi Wyrn, hi Toi, hi Alice, hi Maple, hi Vejita, hi Alyss, hi Beer, and a lot more I can't name so this post won't derail) doesn't mean they condone what they write in real life. How many times does it take for everyone to understand? Go outside, get some fresh air.

Don't like, don't read. Scroll away. Push that back button. Stop the hate, this is fanfiction not a thesis. This ain't a psychological journal. If you don't like a work, it means it's not for you and you're not the targeted audience.

This fandom is already full of drama, don't add more fuel to the fire. Mind your own business. Don't cyberbully just because you don't like something in the fandom.

[dandelion-static]

Is it so hard to realize even thinking a father and young daughter look good together is wrong? Not to mention writing smut of it? Isn’t it just common sense? Incest = Bad. Pedophilia = Bad. It’s that simple. It doesn’t matter if it’s fictional or not, it still means you like their matchup, the concept. Father and Daughter, having sex and she’s still a child.

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This still??? Doesn’t excuse the fact that they CONTINUE to contribute to it despite knowing people get off to it??? And you still haven’t answered what the target audience even is??? If you’re writing smut between a child and her father, the first question is why? Would you even think that’s right? The second is why would you even contribute to normalizing content around it? Third is why, even after seeing hundreds of people supporting the father and daughter smut, you continue to add to it??? How do you even support your friends for writing it? For even thinking of it? “Hey, I write smut between a daughter and her father while she’s still a minor”, that doesn’t sound wrong at all??? And cyber bullying, really. There was a call out post, calling out how screwed up it is that people would ship a father and daughter together, and write about them committing incestuous acts. That’s cyberbullying? Calling out something so screwed up and disgusting? And then it was only when many people started to notice it, that any action was taken? Doesn’t that just further prove that it was wrong since the beginning??? And it was never just one person who has the trauma, it was a lot of people. Many people are disgusted and horrified.

And even then, you’re still invalidating the trauma millions of people have people with it say it’s wrong, and then proceed to say “sorry about your trauma, but we don’t care and should be allowed to keep writing this”.

You know that all your readers are getting off to it. They’re not reading it for the intention you wrote it at all (trying to emphasize how disgusting it is) but instead reading it to further fantasize about a father and daughter committing downright illegal acts. You know your audience is now completely losing the point, but do you ever stop or try to correct something so wrong? Not a “hey this isn’t the point, it’s disgusting , you’re supposed to be disgusted” but instead a, “I know right? Next chapter there will be even more steamy moments”.

The fact that these authors only started putting disclaimers AFTER being finally called out on it contributes to it. It’s like an afterthought. Writing detailed ways to torture someone to the point it’s hyper realistic and sickening, being called out on how it’s messed up, then only mentioning after “oh, but I don’t support it”. And the way they’re written? There’s no negative light it’s put in. In fact, the characters who stumble upon it and say it’s wrong became the villains, or joining it instead. This is what’s messed up. It was portraying it so positively, even within the writing. No one was against it, or even trying to say those acts are atrocious. The people who did were painted as villains. This doesn’t sound messed up at all?

There were main issues with it. 1) Writing it knowing the content is detailed descriptions of a father grooming his child in a way where it seems ok. 2) Writing it with the intention of displaying how fucked it is, but your audience completely confuses it and only thirsts over and supports it, and then not correcting them at all UNTIL being called out. 3) Writing it in the way where anyone opposing those disgusting actions were evil. “Fiction isn’t reality”, which is true, but you’ve forgotten that fiction affects reality. We see it everyday. You knew full well that minors, who are easily and very impressionable and still don’t know right from wrong even as older teens, would read it. WMMAP was geared to general audiences, yes, but the same can be said about MLP. Winx Club. They’re geared to general audiences, but their fanbase is made up of children. You’ve seen the social media. Instagram, Discord, you know that most that read it aren’t adults with fully concious and thinking brains. Heck, even the adults who read don’t think. You know that the people who stumble across it aren’t the intelligent people who know it’s wrong. You know it’s people who will support it, because you know the fanbase. But still contribute and add to it despite knowing that. It’s like writing smut between Twilight and her Elder Brother in MLP and writing in depth smut to show it’s wrong. You know the fanbase is filled with children who can’t bleed the lines and figure it out. The first thing they’ll see is the paragraphs upon paragraphs of them screwing each other without anyone pointing out how fucked it is. That’s what everyone who reads it, sees.

“It’s not our obligation to babysit you”, it isn’t. But it’s also not your obligation to keep writing it after knowing how many people support it. Fiction isn’t reality, but affects and has influence on reality. If you produce downright illegal content, it’s fine right? A father and daughter, having sex. It’s fine if it’s detailed, right? Because, it’s fiction after all. The same can be said about art of a man fucking a child. The child’s enjoying it, so it’s fine, right? It was never geared to people against it. It was geared to people who support it. Fiction is for enjoyment and exploration, but not when it’s enjoying porn of a father and daughter, who is still a child. You’re even admitting that people get off to it, and that there’s nothing wrong with it. Nothing wrong with people getting off to a father fucking his underage daughter, and her enjoying it. Fiction isn’t reality, but it affects reality. “If my dad does this, I’m supposed to enjoy this”. “If my parental figure does this, it’s fine because it isn’t wrong.” That’s what people think when reading this sort of crap.

“So many people are supporting it, so I’m in the wrong for thinking it’s messed up.”

Fiction isn’t reality, but it affects reality. You’re painting the people who called out the disgusting writing as wrong, portraying the people in the stories who found it disgusting, ‘villains’. Is it that hard to see how wrong it is, and how wrong it is to support it???

If your friend who’s making this sort of content starts to think “this is straying from my original idea of making it disgusting, and people are instead taking pleasure in the smut”, as a friend, your first obligation? Is to say it’s wrong. Clarify before it gets worse, that you’re trying to make it disgusting. This is the same as all the youtubers coming out to be criminals. Their fans are affected by the fictional content, the videos and enjoyment they received from it, and defend them. They can’t see it’s wrong. The audience can’t see it’s wrong, but instead support it. They see the person they saw on the screen as the person they’re defending, despite not knowing the person at all. Fiction isn’t reality, but it heavily affects reality. The whole point of enjoying a character and story is relating to yourself, to reality. You can’t say fiction doesn’t effect reality.

Since it's hot in WMMAP fandom, here. Let me drop this on you.

The media and content you consume doesn't necessarily have to define you and your morals as a person. There's a difference between liking something in fiction and supporting them in real life.

What writers write in this fandom (yeah, I know I've seen AO3 and Wattpad. I am friends with a lot of authors in this fandom. Hi Lithium, hi Wyrn, hi Toi, hi Alice, hi Maple, hi Vejita, hi Alyss, hi Beer, and a lot more I can't name so this post won't derail) doesn't mean they condone what they write in real life. How many times does it take for everyone to understand? Go outside, get some fresh air.

Don't like, don't read. Scroll away. Push that back button. Stop the hate, this is fanfiction not a thesis. This ain't a psychological journal. If you don't like a work, it means it's not for you and you're not the targeted audience.

This fandom is already full of drama, don't add more fuel to the fire. Mind your own business. Don't cyberbully just because you don't like something in the fandom.

[dandelion-static]

Claude still??? Tried to kill her??? “After driving her away, he then gave her a final test” don’t downplay it. Say it as it is. “After trying to kill her, he then believed he still had the privilege of having her love him.”

This sort of logic isn’t consistent either. “The only one who chose him”, and what of Jennette? Felix had left him after cruelly executing an innocent girl, his daughter, Claude wasn’t alone. In the flashback, Jennette was by his side.

God. “Despite the fear, she returns to him, as she always does”. This is gaslighting. From an abuser, this is gaslighting. No matter how much you hurt someone, you know they’re weak and dependent on you so much that they’ll come back no matter how much you hurt them.

That isn’t love. I know why because I was in the exact same sort of relationship. That’s the farthest thing from true, actual love and care. That’s how an abuser thinks.

so why did amnesiac!claude take as much time to bring back athy as he did?

(just what i think 😳😳)

i believe this is where we find the answer:

his word choice here is integral to understanding amnesiac!claude, because we aren't dealing with claude after he's raised athy. it's practically LP!claude all over again.

and even if diana may see giving birth as an act of love, claude sees it as a choice. it's her choosing someone else over him, which is why he considers it betrayal. that's what his life has been - the emperor choosing to favour anastacius, anastasius choosing to hate claude, penelope choosing to betray him. and diana, who has literally introduced him to unconditional and reciprocated love, has just done the exact same thing. diana has made a choice, and like everyone else's, it wasn't him.

in amnesia arc, we are being reintroduced to him as a character, and it's why it's so long - it's all his thoughts since he's met athy compressed into one arc.

he deals with athy the way LP!claude would, which makes sense. he wouldn't have kept someone by his side - the way everyone claims he has athy - if he didn't love them, and if they didn't love him back. and the "proof" that someone truly does love him, to claude, is the choice. the choice that everyone else failed in making. the idea that he chose athy - diana's child, the child that for all intents and purposes he planned on killing - for fourteen years and that she chose him back is quite ridiculous to him.

but that's what she's been doing all along, right?

...choosing him for her debutante, finding her happiness in going with him and not lucas or felix or ijekiel, and many more little instances like this. she's been choosing him for fourteen years, claude sees this especially when athy mentions she doesn't need to see diana because she has him (i'm pretty sure he was awake) - which is why incidents like this stopped happening:

even during the LP!timeline, athy has not given up on her father. despite having realised he will not accept her, she knows she would've died to keep jennette, his 'happy ending' alive. athanasia has unknowingly, in both timelines, become exactly what diana had hoped she would - his constant.

the one person who chooses him, over and over and over.

and what happens in LP!timeline? the moment he lets her go, pushes her away, he has no one. that happy ending is gone. i have no doubt that felix would never have stayed after athy's execution (despite being in the flashbacks of athy's birth, the massacre of ruby palace, he isn't present in the dream where claude is dying with anastacius in the shadows). he loses it all.

but here's the thing about him - despite everything, claude craves love. after being abused by his literal family, he accepts penelope yudit into his life. he may have held some positive sentiments towards her - especially after the neglect and humiliation he faced from his family and the noble court, there must've been some comfort in her presence. and she hurts him.

years later, we see claude letting diana in.

he's given away his heart twice and he knows he'll do it again, thus that portrait of penelope in his room to warn his future self. and really, after letting go of athy who poses such a threat to his heart, amnesiac!claude should feel relieved. at ease.

he isn't, though. his most trusted friend is telling him he had found love. that for the fourteen years he cannot recall, he was happy. amnesiac!claude is restless, and that desire to be wanted, chosen, is still fresh. the dream about diana puts it all into perspective. magic is not a cause, nor the effect. it is simply and aid, a catalyst. he could not have possibly forgotten diana had there been a symbol of her, of their love, right beside him - and now, chasing athy away has become a battle against his own mind. dreams cannot simply be conjured up, they are the work of the subconscious - and to deny the truth behind his safekeeping of her paintings, the protection spell on her, the chair in his office and athy's gardens, to deny all of this would be to lie to himself. so, he puts her through a final test:

and athy chooses him again.

this time, however, it isn't over felix or diana or lucas, athy has chosen claude over herself. over her safety. despite him publically denouncing her, despite an attempt on her life, she's made her choice.

it is a gamble, a risk, claude knows this. the courage to return can only be fueled by love - athanasia mentions she doesn't want to fall into his trap as well, but where does she end up, despite this fear? she returns to him, as she always does.

she doesn't pressure him. athy checks on claude everyday, advises him to keep his health a priority, she decorates his study with what I assume are lavender flowers (which are known to symbolise purity, devotion and serenity, and are given to convey a message of healing and love - spoon often plays with the symbolic significance of flowers in her panels) and despite her insecurity, invites jennette to the lake for his comfort. it makes him want to remedy their relationship, understand the happiness she had apparently been giving him for years.

and so, he chooses her:

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“It means it’s not for you and you’re not the targeted audience” then who is, then? The minors that make up the fandom? The people who read it and get off to it? Who get off to the content that was created, despite knowing that it’s a literal child and her father??? I’m sorry, but writing detailed child porn of a girl and her father in a fandom geared mostly to minors, I’m going to have to question the “not the intended audience”. They knew full well what they were going into, both the writers and readers, if the synopsis, tags, and first chapters weren’t enough. This is both faults, but mostly the writers for contributing to disgusting content knowing what their audience is like and who will mostly come across and read it.

By going by this logic of, “the content you consume does not nevissarily describe the person you are in real life”. So if someone is watching CP and getting off to it, they’re not supporting it? That’s bullshit.

The writers, if not supporters, are enablers. They wrote it, and then saw the reaction to their work. Instead of thinking they’ve got it wrong for getting off to it, they keep going and write more. They know how many people support the downright illegal writing and content, yet continue to add to it.

Since it's hot in WMMAP fandom, here. Let me drop this on you.

The media and content you consume doesn't necessarily have to define you and your morals as a person. There's a difference between liking something in fiction and supporting them in real life.

What writers write in this fandom (yeah, I know I've seen AO3 and Wattpad. I am friends with a lot of authors in this fandom. Hi Lithium, hi Wyrn, hi Toi, hi Alice, hi Maple, hi Vejita, hi Alyss, hi Beer, and a lot more I can't name so this post won't derail) doesn't mean they condone what they write in real life. How many times does it take for everyone to understand? Go outside, get some fresh air.

Don't like, don't read. Scroll away. Push that back button. Stop the hate, this is fanfiction not a thesis. This ain't a psychological journal. If you don't like a work, it means it's not for you and you're not the targeted audience.

This fandom is already full of drama, don't add more fuel to the fire. Mind your own business. Don't cyberbully just because you don't like something in the fandom.