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Soo I finally got some time to read this and analyze a bit. I also used/worked with Chatgpt in the second part below to make sure I wasn’t missing anything since I never read these books.

1st thing I researched on was the room number *506* – here’s what I found:

“Angel number 506 provides you with a way out. It's an indicator that you will overcome your current circumstances as such. This is a symbol of balance, transformation, and new beginnings. "

"Angel number 506 means that you have to sacrifice your time and follow the right path as you commit yourself towards a great future. It encourages trusting the journey and maintaining focus, but also avoiding excessive attachment to material possessions."

"Breaking down 506 into its component digits (5, 0, and 6), numerology suggests that 5 represents change, freedom, and adaptability. 0 symbolizes potential and new beginnings, while 6 signifies balance and harmony.”

So obviously there’s a lot to uncover just for this bit, I'm not going to go into great detail…

But obviously the greater journey/right path could connect to her actually surviving and then reuniting with Team family and what not. No idea about the bit mentioning ‘excessive attachment to material possessions’, if someone else does please join the analysis lol.

This number analysis lowkey also connects to what you found in the book. Particularly the Wise Servant finding something better— hence trusting the journey.

2. I have yet to watch S2 of Dead City, but yes the bear parallel to the book seems pretty suspicious to say the least. ALSO! I didn’t know this, but apparently a very commonly used dog name is…. Bear!

3. The Glass Coffin bit of your analysis seems pretty interesting and there is definitely quite a lot of symbolism and parallels in there.. This is what I found about glass coffins: Argues that living in a glass coffin is like zombification; glass coffins were sometimes used for viewing the deceased; A glass coffin can symbolize being trapped or confined, unable to escape a situation or a state of being

Something that came to mind when I read zombification was maybe a cure or something, which is one of the most discussed theories around Beth, being on display and trapped could connect to her being left in the car.. but idk.

4. Also, the horse’s parallels are what intrigued me the most! It’s all so similar like you mentioned, to what happened with Beth, Dawn, and Noah. We also see a horse, a black one, shortly after Beth’s death. When Daryl is in Alexandria and they go out with Aron trying to look for people. “You used to be somebody’s huh? Now you’re just yours”. I’m sure someone already analyzed what that scene might mean. I mean he was obviously thinking about Beth, but yeah.

5. “After that they lived happily to the end of their lives,” (p. 28). A line also closely echoed in ‘The Glass Coffin’.

Sounds similar to something else, too.

“We can live here. We can live here for the rest of our lives.”

Yep that’s just super suspicious, I do not believe it’s a coincidence.

So maybe I’m very much delulu, but I looked up the significance for the number 28..

''This number can represent a journey guided by intuition and the belief that everything works out as it should, even if it's not the expected outcome.''

''Matthew 28 follows the dark events of the crucifixion in the previous chapter and brings Matthew's story of Jesus to a close. An angel descends from heaven and rolls back the stone. The guards faint. The angel tells two women Jesus is risen and then Jesus meets them.''

So that’s what I got so far, now I’ll copy and paste what Chatgpt thought, and some connections it made:

Possession: A Romance” is a *literary mystery novel* about two modern scholars investigating the secret love affair between two fictional Victorian poets. Themes in Possession include:

Hidden love and forbidden relationships

Loss and resurrection (emotionally and metaphorically)

Dual timelines (past/present mirroring each other)

The power of *literature, letters, and artifacts* to reveal truth

Now, here’s how some of these could possibly connect to *Beth Greene* and *Team Delusional*:

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🔗 *Potential Beth Greene & Daryl Dixon Parallels*

1. *Hidden Affection / Unspoken Love*

In Possession, the main romantic relationship is hidden for years and only revealed through letters and clues. Many Bethyl fans argue that Daryl and Beth’s connection was *deep but unspoken* — a slow-building emotional bond that was cut off abruptly, never resolved.

This could parallel the Victorian lovers in Possession whose feelings were strong but separated by time, war, illness — or in Beth’s case, *death?* (or disappearance, per TD theories).

2. *The Search for the Truth*

In Possession, the modern scholars go down a rabbit hole of letters and clues. *Team Delusional* has literally done this — hunting through *editing inconsistencies, interviews, symbolism, lyrics, and more — all in an effort to uncover a hidden truth: *Beth’s fate.

Just like the scholars in the novel, TD is saying: "There’s more to this story."

3. *Themes of Resurrection*

Beth's last scene involves being “lost” or “gone” — but not definitively shown dead (no burial, no aftershock). In Possession, there’s an element of emotional resurrection through discovery — *bringing the past to light. Many TD theories hinge on the idea that Beth could *resurface — through memory, twist, or literal return.

5. *Butterflies and Symbolism*

The novel Possession uses *natural and poetic symbolism* heavily (like flowers, insects, books). Team Delusional is famous for tracking *butterfly imagery, **keys, **clocks, and **songs* used in Beth scenes. Both groups look for *symbolic threads to untangle deeper truths*.

A.S. Byatt’s Possession unfolds as a layered narrative of discovery — At its heart lies the tension between what is seen and what is hidden, between *ephemeral moments of human connection* and the enduring silence that often follows them. This dynamic resonates profoundly when placed against the muted, emotionally charged arc of Beth Greene and her evolving bond with Daryl Dixon in The Walking Dead.

Beth, a character initially framed as fragile and peripheral, grows into someone defined by a quiet resilience. Her journey from despair to self-assurance mirrors, in many ways, the transformation of Byatt’s Christabel LaMotte — a poet who wrestles with voice, identity, and the limitations placed on her by external forces. Much like Christabel, Beth’s development is marked by the internalization of strength: in song, in caregiving, in moments of painful but necessary solitude. She becomes *an emotional anchor* during a time of fragmentation in the group — not through dominance or defiance, but through compassion, clarity, and calm defiance of nihilism.

In Possession, the two poets — Christabel and Randolph Ash — share a bond forged in brief encounters, letters, and the emotional weight of what is left unsaid. Likewise, Beth and Daryl's relationship is sculpted not by overt declarations, but by *subtext*: shared looks, moments of vulnerability, and rare, fleeting laughter in a world bereft of joy. Their connection is arguably the most emotionally intimate of Beth’s narrative — two survivors, each emotionally isolated in distinct ways, finding solace in each other’s presence without fully articulating its meaning.

In both Possession and The Walking Dead, there exists a narrative vacuum: a loss of female voice, a rupture in relational development, and a lingering sense that *absence does not negate impact. Beth’s exit, like Christabel’s disappearance, is not an ending in the traditional sense, but an **interruption* — a pause that invites reflection, reinterpretation, and, perhaps, a reassembly of meaning.

In this way, Beth Greene's arc can be seen not just as a tragic loss, but as a *fragmented narrative*, one that mirrors Byatt’s thematic preoccupation with the lost voices of women, the fragility of human connection, and the enduring hope that what is buried — emotionally or narratively — might yet be brought to light.

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There is quite a lot to uncover lol but yes there's definitely some great symbolism and parallels!

Grimms’ Tales, Team Delusional, A.S. Byatt

Forgive the mistakes, these are my notes for the rabbit hole I fell into.

Beth Greene is Snow White

I was clued into the parallel between the close up frame of Beth’s hand and the gun mirroring Disney’s Snow White’s limp hand and the poisoned apple after diving into Team Delusional (TD) research. A comparison you cannot unsee.

I had a copy of Grimms’ Tales from college, so I decided to read the original fairy tale of ‘Snow White’ (pp. 184-191). Unsurprisingly, tons of Beth symbolism. A huntsman sacrifices a boar, seven dwarves, three attempts on her life by the evil queen, falling down ‘seemingly dead’, and finally being put into a glass coffin only to be resurrected later.

Beth’s body being left in a car = glass coffin.

The glass coffin holds a character that is seemingly dead but not truly deceased. A theme reinforced throughout the flagship show and spinoffs with walkers in cars.

This was all happening while I was rewatching The Walking Dead (TWD), Coda (S5, E8), and I noticed they paused on Beth’s side of the hall before the exchange of hostages, and the room number next to them was clearly visible.

Room 506.

Thinking, what the heck, TD says numbers are important, I flipped my copy of Grimms’ Tales to page 506…

The page is shared between the end of ‘Snow White and Rose Red’ (pp. 501-506), and the beginning of ‘The Wise Servant’ (pp. 506-507), followed directly by ‘The Glass Coffin’ (pp. 507-512).

Well, all righty then. Coincidence. Why would TWD match a room number on screen to a book of fairy tales? 👀

Initial Notes:

Snow White and Rose Red

Snow White and Rose Red are two sisters who live with their mother in a hut. A bear, who is really a cursed prince, comes into their hut and ends up spending his nights by their hearth during the winter. A fire lit by Snow White. She will go on to marry the prince once the curse is broken.

The bear is a big symbol in TD, as far as I am aware, and @twdmusicboxmystery noted in her video about Dead City, S2, E7, how a bear made it’s way into the room with Maggie and Hershel. Then, during the action that followed, a knife was thrown, hitting the bear where Beth was shot. If Beth is Snow White, Maggie is Rose Red. There were more parallels, but I digress.

The Wise Servant

‘The Wise Servant’ is about a man who sends his wise servant, Hans, to find a lost cow. It takes forever—no Hans, no cow, so bossman goes looking for him. I found the dialogue interesting. But then, what really caught my attention, was when Hans said he didn’t look for the cow, and he found something better, “Three blackbirds,” said the servant. “And where are they?” said the master. The wise servant replied: “I see one, I hear one, and I’m chasing the third,” (p. 507).

Three Wise Monkeys reference. See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.

Emily Kinney’s three stuffed monkeys tweet during S5 secret filming.

The Glass Coffin

And finally, ‘The Glass Coffin’.

A tailor traveling in the wild finds shelter in an old man’s hut. A commotion between a bull (disguised old man/bad guy) and a stag wake the tailor, the stag kills the bull, then takes the tailor into the wilds, away from the world of men. He is taken to a tall wall of stone with a secret entrance at the base. When opened by the stag, the “flames poured from the doorway, followed by clouds of smoke that hid the stag from view (pp. 508-509).

Inside, the tailor comes upon two glass cases. One holds a castle, surrounded by farmhouses, stables, and barns. The other holds a beautiful maiden.

“She lay as though asleep, her long golden hair wrapped around her like a precious cloak. Her eyes were closed tight but the freshness of her face and a ribbon that moved to and fro as she breathed left no doubt that she was alive,” (p. 509).

The maiden’s eyes open, the tailor opens the case, and she uses words like prison and savior. She tells him her story.

The maiden lived in a castle with her brother. They loved each other so tenderly and were “so much alike in our thoughts and inclinations” (p. 510), they would not marry but stay together.

The maiden is Beth, but it could symbolize Carol, too, depending on the context. For Carol, the brother could then be Daryl, which is one part of my A.S. Byatt link.

A stranger comes along and was treated as a guest by the siblings. Things happen. So. Much. Symbolism. The stranger wants the girl, she says no, the stranger uses magic to turn her brother into a stag during a hunting trip.

Scared for her brother, the maiden rides out with a servant to find him, but the servant’s horse fell and broke its leg (thought immediately of Noah’s leg), and she was forced to leave him behind. She finds the stranger and learns what happened to her brother. The maiden flew into a rage “drew a pistol, and fired it at the monster, but the bullet bounced back from his chest” (p. 511), and into her horse’s head.

This is Beth and Dawn’s final confrontation. Scissors in Dawn’s chest backfired and Beth was shot in the head.

The horses’ fates parallel those of Noah and Beth.

“I fell to the ground, and the stranger mumbled a few words that made me lose consciousness. When I came to, I was in a glass coffin in this underground vault,” (p. 511).

TD’s car and resurrection theory.

With the tailor’s help, the maiden frees her home, her people, and is reunited with her brother. The girl marries the tailor.

A.S. Byatt

A.S. Byatt used Grimms’ ‘The Glass Coffin’ in Possession (1999) and The Djinn in the Nightingale's Eye (1994). These stories have really great imagery. In the old man’s hut there is a great grey dog, in Byatt’s version for example.

In Possession, two of the characters, Randolph Henry Ash and Christabel LaMotte, become intertwined to say the least. Without revealing spoilers, it could be argued that Ash and LaMotte mirror the tailor and the maiden.

In Daryl Dixon: The Book of Carol, S2, who helped Carol? Ash. His name is interesting for several reasons. Maybe Ash, in the part of the tailor, is the outside variable needed for Carol to confront her demons (to set them free so she can move on) and reunite with Daryl, ‘her brother’.

More analysis to come.

Faithful Johannes

‘The Wise Servant’ is not about Snow White but it is bookmarked between two stories related to Snow White. This led me to look up another story in the Grimms’ Tales, ‘Faithful Johannes’ (pp. 22-28). This story expands on the theme in ‘The Wise Servant’. I liked the last sentence. It ends with, “After that they lived happily to the end of their lives,” (p. 28). A line also closely echoed in ‘The Glass Coffin’.

Sounds similar to something else, too.

“We can live here. We can live here for the rest of our lives.”

-Beth Greene

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