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After seeing the blind prophet in the Daryl Dixon S3 trailer, I fell down this rabbit hole and now I'd like to take you all with me.

The Walking Dead: Daryl Dixon is an apocalyptic allegory for The Odyssey

The Odyssey is told in twenty-four “books”, or what we might refer to as a chapter, and tells the tale of Odysseus in two parts:

First, the ten year account of the Trojan War.

Next, the ten years Odysseus spent lost at sea trying to get home to Ithaca and Penelope.

On his journey, he encounters cannibal giants, a cyclops, sirens, the lotus-eaters, sea monsters, a spiteful goddess who turns men into beasts, a blind prophet, several temptations to his marriage (Circe, the nymph Calypso, and the Princess of Nausicaa) and speaks to the spirit of his dead mother. Odysseus communes with the gods (particularly Athena, his patron goddess) through birds, visions, and dreams. He is unique in that his story focuses heavily on homecoming. So few Greek heroes ever get to go home.

Homecoming, Wandering, Guest-friendship, and Tests are all major themes. The first several books of the Odyssey are told from the perspective of Odysseus' son, Telemachus, who along with his mother and Odysseus’ wife, Penelope, is having to host the 108 boorish suitors vying for her hand in her husband's extended absence. Penelope's faith is being tested just as much as her husband's. Nevertheless, he has been gone so long that she must remarry and so she sets forth a task for her suitors: anyone who can beat a test of archery with her husband's bow will win her hand.

Ten years after the fall of Troy the prison, Daryl finds himself adrift, blown off course in a strange land. He listens to a man mourn his late wife, lamenting that it would have been their tenth anniversary. Our hero yearns for home and love. He yearns for Ithaca and Penelope.

His losses have left him jaded. He is a bad guest to the first people he meets and is immediately punished for it; robbed and left for dead until the nymph Calypso the nun Isabelle finds him and nurses him to health. He doesn't want to stay with her, he wants to go home ‒ but she reminds him of home in a way. She reminds him of someone.

So he stays.

The Gods The nuns don't want Calypso Isabelle to keep Odysseus Daryl because he is a mortal faithless.

Calypso keeps Odysseus in a secret cave where they make love every day, but every night he goes down to the beach to weep. Unable to bear watching him suffer, she promises to take him to a port where he can catch a boat an island where he can build a boat.

Isabelle got to keep Daryl longer than Calypso kept Odysseus. Isabelle comes with him to the underworld the catacombs so that he can sacrifice a black sheep looking for information on how to get home. Sidenote: it does not bode well for Carol that she later also follows Daryl down into the underworld looking for information.

As this is an allegory and not a perfect 1:1 retelling, I'm going to heavily utilize bullet points going forward in order to best illustrate the point.

Daryl/Odysseus:

Daryl was scarred by his boorish father as a boy / Odysseus was scarred by a boar as a boy / the “little Jimmy” pig story is most likely Daryl's true tale, meaning that Daryl owned a pig as a child that left him with lifelong emotional scars.

Communes with the gods/God through dreams and visions

Tests of Faith, Tests of Character

Hidden identity

He beats the other men at the garage (the boorish suitors who were heckling and ultimately murdered the young lover) at a test of archery

Before we move on to Genet/Circe, I have to take a moment and emphasize the importance of pigs both in The Odyssey and in The Walking Dead universe. Pigs represent the lowest of all beasts. They foreshadow the fall of the prison, our metaphorical Troy. Penelope's suitors are explicitly described as "boorish" i.e. piglike. Genet, before ripping out Codron’s eye and making a cyclops out of our Remus/Romulus-proxy, tells the story about her mother's “pig” of a boss. When Dr. Edwards and Beth are having their profound conversation at Grady about the divinity of art, and how it transcends, rises above, makes us more than “beasts”, all juxtaposed by the Mona Lisa watching over them, they are sharing a sparse meal of guinea pig (Correction: Dr. Edwards indulges. Beth abstains). And who could forget Little Jimmy?

Pigs, to both Homer and the writers of The Walking Dead, signify the absolute worst of humanity.

Genet/Circe:

Absolutely despises the arts and humanity, seeks to turn all men into beasts

Misogyny on legs: women do not trust her, and she doesn't like them either

Men eat out of the palm of her hand

Spiteful and bitter to her core; wants to punish the world, men specifically, for past crimes inflicted on her person

A master poisoner done in by her own poison

Commonly depicted drinking from a goblet

Isabelle/Calypso:

Does not want to let our hero go

In many versions of the story, Calypso kills herself after freeing Odysseus from the prison of her love

The very name “Calypso” means “to conceal”. Daryl trains with Laurent in a secret cave, and is as despaired as Calypso was for Odysseus when Laurent disappears from it.

Carol/Telemachus:

Book One of The Odyssey: Athena disguises herself as Telemachus to enact divine intervention on Odysseus' behalf. What jumpstarts Daryl's journey? Static on the radio causes him to misunderstand the context of Carol's message and puts him in the mindset that someone long gone has returned.

The Book of Carol/Book Two of The Odyssey begins with Carol/Telemachus confronting the men at the garage/the boorish suitors before setting off on a quest to find Daryl/Odysseus.

Divine intervention comes in the form of lightning destroying their ethanol stores and forcing them to leave immediately on a one-way trip to Europe. He is the voice telling her to breathe. Her meeting with Ash is fated.

With their shared domestic abuse trauma bond and Carol’s role as Daryl’s proxy-mother, the son/father dynamic in The Odyssey has been inverted here. Instead, the mother is on a quest to bring her son home.

Ash Patel/Nestor, King of Pylor:

In Book Three of The Odyssey, Telemachus travels to Pylor to seek counsel with King Nestor and board a vessel to search of his father.

Like Ash, Nestor is kind and generous. He allows Telemachus/Carol to board his vessel but is unable to provide any information as to the whereabouts of his father/Daryl.

In Book Four of the Odyssey, Telemachus arrives in Sparta and learns of his father's adventures. Compare with Carol arriving in France and learning of Daryl’s adventures.

King Nestor is typically portrayed as a wizened old warrior appearing to give advice to the hero of the tale. His entire archetype is Hershel Greene-coded in my opinion. Therefore, I do not believe it is any coincidence that his vessel landed in Greenland.

Anna Valery & Quinn/Persephone & Hades

Anna used to hate her mother (Demeter) for holding her back from the seedy life of a Parisian nightclub singer, but comes to understand that she was just trying to protect her

Anna and Quinn have an intense love/hate relationship, landing far more on the side of hate

Quinn attempts to make another Persephone out of Isabelle

The imagery of her death; being taken willingly by the dead without a sound, proud and regal. Queen of the underworld

Losang and the Nest/the Lotus-Eaters

The lotus-eaters offer Odysseus fruit and wine made from the fruit of a lotus flower that are so sweet it makes them forget about home.

Losang's sweet fruit is born from his false tree of knowledge; the possibility that his corrupt religion could offer a safe, good life to Daryl, Isabelle, and Laurent. He cultivates a false sense of security and attempts to plant the seed that Laurent does not need Daryl.

Other elements of note:

Zeus sends down two eagles to rip each other apart in front of the boorish suitors as an omen of revenge. This motif is married to the Remus/Romulus symbolism and can be viewed in Daryl's relationships with both Quinn and Codron.

The bioluminescent walkers are another allegory for the lotus-eaters. The fantasies and hallucinations they offer are fatally attractive.

Divine intervention occurs repeatedly, over and over again.

Daryl teaching the men at the Nest how to shoot while Isabelle watched from above was a foreshadowing of Penelope's Test of Archery.

Eun and Hana's desire to keep Ash as a sex slave is a parallel to Odysseus' numerous (debatable) unwilling affairs, as well as a commentary on the extreme lengths an individual is willing to go for the sake of home and family (Ithaca and Penelope).

The man at the garage who turned in the young lover's body for gas was named Juno, after the Roman goddess of marriage.

What does all this mean for the rest of the series? I have my own predictions.

There are only so many trials left. We're getting closer and closer to Ithaca and Penelope. Daryl still needs to speak with the blind prophet to find out how to get home. We've yet to meet the Princess of Nausicaa ‒ a beautiful and charming individual who in some versions of the tale entices Odysseus, and in others marries Telemachus. In my opinion, this will be Carol’s teased lover. But that still leaves us wondering…

Who is Penelope?

Following the beats of The Odyssey, it can't be anyone new. Those are just affairs. It has to be someone from Daryl’s established timeline. It can't be Carol because, as we've covered at length, Carol is playing a familial role here and more damning than that, neither of the actors have any interest in developing their characters in a romantic direction, and have said as much on record. Connie is a possibility, I suppose, but Daryl has no reason to yearn for her. He knows where she is, she's not lost to him.

So who is it? Who did he lose? Who does he miss? Who does he yearn for? Why was Isabelle in particular so enticing to him when all the others were left behind?

Who does she remind him of?

And just in case anyone thinks I've gone off the deep end and lost the plot, here's a quote from director Daniel Percival comparing TWD:DD to The Odyssey:

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Can We Take A Moment To Discuss This New "Behind The Dead"?

From this and other clips we have seen, it's so clear that even most Carylers are coming to realize that Antonio and Carol are going to have an intense and romantic relationship.

It's interesting that they have chosen to put Carol in a romantic relationship before we see Daryl getting his happy ending romance.

Trying to head off Carylers' hate perhaps?

With only 15 episodes left, even Carylers are realizing that a Carol/Daryl romance is NOT going to happen in this spin-off.

Consider that Carol/Antonio can only end in one of about four ways:

Carol stays with Antonio in Spain. This goes with their stated theme about "finding a better way to live." You will notice that Zabel in this clip says that DARYL is still trying to find a way "home". However, the only way I see this happening is if MMB wants a long, maybe permanent, break from the show.

Carol and Antonio go back to America together. It could happen, but he would certainly want his son, if he is still alive, with him.

Carol realizes she truly loves and belongs with Ezekiel and heads back without Antonio. While this could happen, based on the comments from Norman in this clip and the seeming emotional vulnerability of Antonio, would they real have Carol be so cruel as to "dump" or leave him just as he is opening up to her? Maybe, but it would negate so much of her growth.

One of them dies before the end of Season 4. It won't be Carol unless MMB wants to close the door on Carol forever. Maybe Antonio dies, but it might set back Carol's healing arc.

Would a happy, settled, and in love Carol staying in Spain be OK with Daryl?

Yes, if he is happy and knows Carol is happy, that would be a "satisfying"(to use Norman's description) ending. It would also be "bittersweet" which I believe is how MMB describe it at SDCC.

So, I am seeing scenario 1 or 2 being how Carol's arc ends in the spin-off.

Daryl, according to Zabel, is feeling guilty that he couldn't save Isabelle.

I'm sure this will lead to an uncovering of his guilt about Beth and probably others.

So, if season 3 is about regret for Daryl, his happy ending will come in the last 8 episodes. This almost certainly rules out a new character.

Think of it like this:

If there wasn't a Laurent, would Daryl and Isabelle have even been a thing? I certainly don't think it would have developed as quickly as it did. Daryl even tells Carol that Laurent was the "glue" that held them together. It's a far cry from him wanting to stop looking for the rest of the "family" and settle in the funeral home with Beth.

So, for anyone watching, it's becoming clear that whatever Daryl's happy ending is going to look like, it's going to be surprising. From what we have seen of Season 3, it's no where in sight.

I want to make a larger point here. Typically, in the teasers, trailer, and behind the scenes stuff, we only get information about the first few episodes.

However, with DD3, we have gotten SO much information about the storylines, villains, romances, and even naming a specific episode, episode 5, as the "spaghetti western" episode.

When have we ever gotten this information before the season even started?

I can't think of a time.

So, why?

Maybe to keep everyone that is not TD from asking the most obvious question now that we know there are only 15 episodes left.

Where is Daryl's happy ending?

The whole spin-off Daryl has been looking wistfully at couples. He opened himself to the possibility of Isabelle.

Now, he will spend a WHOLE season surrounded by couples in love. Why isn't anyone talking about how awful this for Daryl?

It will be VERY interesting to see if the WHOLE season is given to reviewers.

Since they did not give the last two episodes of DC out, I expect they won't give the last two episode of DD3 out.

Thinking back, there really wasn't anything that earth shattering in those last two episodes.

Maybe they did that with DC so that it wouldn't seems so unusual with DD3.

Why?

Because I believe we will see/hear/learn that Beth's alive by the end of 3x6. 3x7 will most likely include at least some of the missing footage from season 5!

I'll explain all the reasons why in my next post!

Thoughts?

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Put any sad song to any clip of s1-2 daryl and it makes me cry

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I'm glad someone posted about this!

I planned to do some research but I've been busy busy.

Anyways pretty amazing the amount of teasing and symbolism we're getting lately😉😶‍🌫️

Seems like we're veery close!

Norman’s latest Instagram story featured three images of constellations and with these I believe he is telling us the plot for S3 and S4.



Saturn in Pisces. We all know he is on a journey of spiritual growth, and there’s likely going to be a lot of self reflection in the first couple of episodes.



The Chained Lady is Beth, she is the sacrifice.

Perseus (a Greek hero, so Daryl) rescues her and marries her! Yay we want to see Daryl and Beth married.

I also think it’s interesting that Poseidon sends a sea monster to ravage the land because of her vanity. Emily Kinney also references mermaids a lot. I feel like we are going to see pirates in the show, probably the people who took Daryl in the first place and get more info on them.



The Draco constellation

Draco is the constellation that guarded the golden apples (Beth) and was slain by Hercules (who would be Daryl)

The golden apples were said to grant immortality to anyone who ate them! I believe Beth was bit by a walker under that cast and Dr. Edward’s at Grady saved her and she became immune.

Beth is the cure!

Thanks Norman for posting only 3 photos that told the story plot. I love Norman.

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Anyone seen this yet in Norman's story?

How convenient!

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What??? Separated From A Lost Love For Ten Years?

So, pretty much everyone is getting a romance according to this new behind the scenes! (Do you really think Daryl will be left out? It's his spin-off and happy ending!!!)

I feel like we have seen the first part of this, but about halfway in they talk first about Roberto/Justina as a Romeo and Juliet love story.

Then, Paz and Elena as lost loves that have been separated for a DECADE!!

10 years! Not 2, 3, 4, 5, etc. NOT pre-virus loves, but FOR TEN YEARS!

Just like another true love couple we know. I guess they will literally have to hit some people over the head before they see it.

Daryl and Paz are going to traveling and fighting together. When tells the story of Elena, don't you think Daryl will immediately think of Beth?

WE MIGHT GET FLASHBACKS!!!!!!

They also mention Carol seeing something in the emotionally damaged Antonio.

Could they be any clearer that the Spain story is about LOVE and that Daryl will FINALLY find his lost love and get his happy ending with Beth. AND IT WON'T BE CAROL. She will have her own new love.

I am REALLY starting to get excited for seasons 3 and 4. The Spain storyline looks really good and will be something to enjoy until Beth shows up!

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Soo uhm... VERY SUS👀👀

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AMC posts another teaser

A few new shots in this one. I also like the subtitle reference to "Too Far Gone".

Daryl: "This whole time I've been fighting. Running. Trying to get home. I'm never giving up."

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Gimple Just Threw Us A Bone!

A lot of this is the same stuff from my previous post here UNTIL about 22 minute mark. The interviewer asks about good/tough scenes.

Norman responds with "the pit" scene between Daryl and Rick, the Merle scene(I think the death one), and of course "tons" with MMB.

MMB mentions the Sophia barn scene (the original) and The Grove. She says to Gimple something like you and Angela Kang wrote that right?

Gimple turns to Norman and says that Kang wrote STILL! Why did Gimple bring up Still when neither Norman nor Melissa did! Watch the LONG look between Gimple and Norman. It's like they are trying HARD to keep a straight face. WE ARE SO GETTING BETHYL!

Then, Gimple drops that Andy Lincoln came down to Spain while Gimple was there, and they went out to dinner in Santiago de Compostela. Really Gimple, Santiago De Compostela? Not Madrid? This is the town where St. James is reported to be buried, and it is at the end of the pilgrimage. I wrote about that here.

They talk about season 3 again being a "Western", but that season 4 "evolves" which further gives the impression that probably won't see/hear Beth until the end of season 3.

Norman again says that the ending is "hard to explain"(because he can't mention Beth or a love interest without people freaking), but satisfying (because Daryl gets his happy ending with Beth!)

Thoughts?

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Just a reminder, everybody: when Beth couldn’t find a clean glass for her first drink at the country club, the very first thing Daryl did after bringing her to the moonshine shack was pick out the cleanest cup he could find and blow out the dust to make sure it was as clean as possible for her. </3

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SDCC Interviews Are(Somewhat) Surprising And Very Good For Us!

Here are four of interviews I found(I will edit this post to add the Collider interview when it is posted on YouTube)

Key takeaways:

The series was always going to have a very "specific' ending. (That is GREAT for us! Daryl's happy ending has always been planned and it has always been Beth, of course.)

At 6:25 they talk about how Daryl and Carol will never REALLY" lose, lose" each other. They make a joke about not "misplacing each other".

I NEVER thought I would say this, but these interviews are giving me Carol *MAY* stay in Spain with Antonio vibes. I always thought that Carol would return to be part of the big reunion, but as @twdmusicboxmystery has mentioned in several of her videos, TPTB will let an actor out of their contract if they want. It seems to me that MMB may have been ready to end things when the flagship ended, but agreed(or was contractually bound) to come back for the spin-off. Symbolically, if you look at the hallway at Grady, of the two members of Team Family take by Grady people, only one of them moved forward with Team Family to next location. So, maybe this time, it will be Beth.

Of course, it may just be them separating when they get back to the U.S.

Though they have an idea of what will happen, the last two scripts have not been written yet. (I'm sure they have a detailed outline, but maybe the dialogue has not been written?)

The ending will be "satisfying" for the audience, according to Norman.

This TV Insider is a great one for Carol's character arc and where her story is going which is very different than Daryl. Carol is more ready to move on to "living", but Daryl is more haunted. It really seems to confirm that Antonio/Carol will be a real romance.

This Entertainment Weekly interview is a little longer. While they are dancing around the topic, it is pretty obvious that they had the "Spain" story outlined. Then, they had to make changes to end the whole series at the end of season 4. I remember last year that there were online rumors of major script changes and reshoots in the middle of season filming season 3, so maybe that was the timing of AMC's decision.

Gimple talks about seeing Daryl and Carol again. Of course, he doesn't commit, but says he "thinks about it." Watch MMB's face.

Gimple corrects the interviewer on calling a reunion an "Endgame" reunion. He references "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly" and "7 Samurai". I know nothing about either movie, so that maybe something to research!

Norman mentions Herschel multiple times in these interviews. He often does, but I don't recall it ever being this consistent.

According to Norman, the ending will be "surprising" and it won't "end how people think it will".

Altruism versus selfishness is an overarching theme along with living versus surviving.

Daryl and Carol are maturing as characters.

There is a lot of "evolution".

There are multiple love stories in Season 3. Two young couples, and Carol/Antonio are mentioned. (Do you really think everyone else is going to get a love story BUT Daryl??? It's his series and his happy ending!!!!)

Episode 5 will be their version a of Spaghetti Western.(the motorcycle shoot out?)

They filmed in a real haunted city in the desert. (Leper colony?)

Zabel said old viewers who tuned out long ago could return and easily follow the story.

NONE of what was discussed would rule out Beth. The idea that the series ALWAYS had a "specific" ending really confirms everything TD has always thought.

It was always leading to Daryl's happy ending with Beth.

Question:

Does anyone know what Gimple is wearing????

Norman calls Spain "very Miles Davis". I remember that last year Zabel also mentioned Miles Davis. Hmm....might be something to research.

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ATLANTA COMIC COM AND EMILY WEIRDNESS

So some of you know that I went to the Atlanta comicon the other weekend and I had some crazy stuff happen @twdmusicboxmystery made a video about the convention if you want to watch It I strongly advise you to do so

I was driving when I wrote out my message to her, so I thought I would break it down a little bit more in depth than in the vid also when I wrote out my text it’s a was a little scatterbrained so if anyone got confused about anything , I’m really sorry I couldn’t really proofread it

But I’m pretty sure we just proof that there is cut footage from season five and Emily is returning!

I have three things to talk about

-TWD PANNEL

-Autographs

-Emily’s Veep livestream

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TWD Panel I’m gonna be focusing on the things I found most interesting btw so this doesn’t go on forever

All the actors that attended Emily Kinney (Beth), Chad Coleman (Tyreese), Laurie Holden (Andrea), IronE Singleton (T-Dog), Tom Payne (Jesus), and Seth Gilliam (Father Gabriel) and one other person I can’t remember my bad yall…

At one point, someone in the audience asked the actors asked about their characters deaths and if there were any changes, cut scenes or weirdness surrounding them

Everyone responded—except for Emily.

When a follow-up question was asked directly—“Why did Beth have to die?” Emily responded simply:

“I don’t know.” And then she laughed pretty hard ,

Later, another audience member asked whether there were any cut scenes they wished fans had been able to see. A few actors glanced at Emily. There was a long pause. No one answered the question directly, until Laurie Holden said:

“What needed to be seen was seen. We can’t share more.”

Somone asked what was everyone’s favorite episode to film that they were involved in Emily name dropped “Still” and shared how fun it was to work with Norman, and how much she enjoyed getting to see who Beth’s character was andburning down the house

And when this happens, I tell you not the entire entire crowd started cheering so online reception compared to IRL of Beth and Daryl is vastly fucking different

The Autographs

After the panel, I went to get several autographs from Emily. There was nobody in line since it was in the middle of the day and everybody got their autographs in the morning, so I had a chance to ask a couple more questions.

It was so easy for her to clock. I was a shipper by the way Emily was selling pictures of Beth and Daryl together that she would sign so you already know everybody in the server and me got those….. and I hate everybody and love everybody for this, but we were getting like the most obvious quotes.

“You’re gonna miss me so bad when I’m gone”

“Suck ass camp”

“I don’t cry anymore Daryl”

Ect.

I don’t think I’ve ever been so embarrassed LMAO But between the autographs I was able to talk to her, so I got to ask her some team delusional ass questions 💅💅💅

I asked her

“Were there any changes to the script around Coda that you wish we could’ve seen?”

She gave a pretty canned response:

“We get the scripts about a week before filming, so I’m not sure about any changes.”

Then I asked her:

“What was the craziest part about filming Coda?”

She said:

“When everyone was outside. It was extremely emotional.”

We’ve heard that answer before. It’s vague but not shocking.

We talked about her music for a second basically just me fan-girling out and saying I loved all the stuff she’s been making

Then I got my autograph last

I asked if she could sign mine with a lyric from a new, unreleased song one that hadn’t been shared publicly or posted on Instagram.

She and her assistant seemed really into the idea.

What she wrote was this:

“got home safe and sound without crashing” —beth

(Red marks are name sensors)

Notably, she signed it as “Beth” something she hadn’t done on any of the five other autographs I’d gotten.

Here’s why this matters:

* That lyric, is supposed to be from Beth! Now taken into note that we were talking about coda

It long-standing knowledge that a car chase was filmed at coda where people seen Beth’s and was later cut.

This could very well be a line from a new song written from Beth’s POV. (This was confirmed in the VEEP LIVESTREAM)

We don’t know why she’s writing songs from Beth’s POV again maybe she just has some thoughts about the show that she wants to write about or the fact that she wrote a song for Daryl Dixon??? That doesn’t mean she’s coming back, but we can certainly hope

VEEP LIVESTREAM

So in the live stream, Emily does confirm that she is releasing a walking dead album with all of the songs that she had sung in it and a new song AT THE END OF THE YEAR

It’s just a little confusing the timing of it why would she wait all of these years? And decide this year. Around probably December January to drop this new song Beth song and all the other walking dead song??

And with the autograph I received I’m pretty sure the new song includes the line ”I GOT HOME SAFE AND SOUND WITHOUT CRASHING”

I’m not claiming confirmation of anything. But between:

•Emily’s silence during questions about Beth’s death,

•The tension around cut scenes,

•And the specific lyric she chose to share…

•the Veeps live stream confirming she’s releasing her walking dead album this year with a new song

ITS ALL FISHY AFFFFFF anyways! let me know what y’all thought about this

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Loww-key sus🤭😏

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Team Delusional get on instagram and let’s bombard them with TD questions! Maybe we will get lucky!🍀

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Why is Emily’s photo so different from the rest?

We all know Norman has said that Beth was like a light at the end of a tunnel.

And there is this quote from Lauren that I got from @twdmusicboxmystery

Beth is the Light.

They are shoving it our faces at this point and I freaking love it!

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This whole campaign The Walking Dead is doing about living vs surviving is reminding me so much of Beth's voiceover in 4x10 Inmates.

"If you don't have hope, what's the point of living?"

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"𝙸 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍𝚗'𝚝 𝚑𝚎𝚕𝚙 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚊𝚜𝚔 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚝𝚘 𝚜𝚊𝚢 𝚒𝚝 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚊𝚐𝚊𝚒𝚗.

𝙸 𝚝𝚛𝚒𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚠𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚎 𝚒𝚝 𝚍𝚘𝚠𝚗, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝙸 𝚌𝚘𝚞𝚕𝚍 𝚗𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚛 𝚏𝚒𝚗𝚍 𝚊 𝚙𝚎𝚗.

𝙸'𝚍 𝚐𝚒𝚟𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚢𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚛 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚜𝚊𝚢 𝚒𝚝 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚖𝚘𝚛𝚎 𝚝𝚒𝚖𝚎.

𝚃𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚞𝚗𝚒𝚟𝚎𝚛𝚜𝚎 𝚠𝚊𝚜 𝚖𝚊𝚍𝚎 𝚓𝚞𝚜𝚝 𝚝𝚘 𝚋𝚎 𝚜𝚎𝚎𝚗 𝚋𝚢 𝚖𝚢 𝚎𝚢𝚎𝚜."

Saturn - Sleeping At Last