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Unfortunately I have. I've seen so many people say they're equally bad because Raven occasionally raises her voice or gets annoyed at Apple, which is apparently on the same level as the constant jabs, insults, and accusations Apple throws at Raven, something I very much do not agree with.

It's not just in the show either, the fandom falls for it hook line and sinker.

I'm so tired of the double standard where Raven cracking and showing human emotion is Bad but Apple publicly insulting Raven and then crying is soo sympathetic.

Within the show this is a matter of Apple weaponizing her bias and reputation by playing up how concerned and caring and oh so sad she is whenever Raven slips up and is anything but the most understanding and civil possible. Which is like. Manipulation 101.

But I have no idea why the FANDOM falls for it and goes "Look how sad and scared Apple is..Raven is just as bad as/worse somehow, just look at how she..raised her voice slightly after being called a selfish awful person who wants all her friends to die...Apple's crying/saying she's scared, guys, that's so sadddd :(("

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Anyways I love Raven so much for so many reasons.

She's a character with so much genuine kindness behind her? Like, you can tell she genuinely cares about the people around her and wants the world to be better, not just for her, but for everyone else.

Like, she lives under this constant pressure and judgment, and she still fights for herself and others without falling into cruelty or cynicism.

And I just don't think we talk enough about how good her heart is. About how she wants to be able to love people. About how she's willing to extend kindness to people who have hurt her. About how much good she sees in a world that's always rejected her. About how much she's willing to sacrifice for other people.

Raven is a deeply kind and compassionate person and that's not a side of her I see explored enough, but I think it should be, because tbh it's one of her main personality traits.

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It's not just in the show either, the fandom falls for it hook line and sinker.

I'm so tired of the double standard where Raven cracking and showing human emotion is Bad but Apple publicly insulting Raven and then crying is soo sympathetic.

Within the show this is a matter of Apple weaponizing her bias and reputation by playing up how concerned and caring and oh so sad she is whenever Raven slips up and is anything but the most understanding and civil possible. Which is like. Manipulation 101.

But I have no idea why the FANDOM falls for it and goes "Look how sad and scared Apple is..Raven is just as bad as/worse somehow, just look at how she..raised her voice slightly after being called a selfish awful person who wants all her friends to die...Apple's crying/saying she's scared, guys, that's so sadddd :(("

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I've been thinking for years about how this fandom doesn't adequately talk about how manipulative Apple was toward Raven at, like, multiple points.

For starters, let's talk about the way her desire for Raven to be 'evil' was actually just a desire for Raven to shut up and be obedient. She says she wants Raven to be evil, but any time Raven so much as raises her voice at Apple or says no to her, Apple starts pearl clutching and calling her selfish. Because Apple didn't want Raven to be evil, Apple just wants Raven to stifle her personality and desires and do what she's told.

And the way Apple literally CONSTANTLY demonizes Raven's emotions while weaponizing her own? When Raven raises her voice or falters or is emotional at all, she's being dramatic and not thinking clearly, but when Apple cries her eyes out publicly or yells at Raven, it's emotionally compelling and she's so sympathetic of her because she's clearly so hurt and afraid.

Let's be clear as well, the "Raven is just as bad" crowd are literally just plain wrong. Raven absolutely bends over backwards to be calm and civil and keep her tone steady and be so very understanding at every single turn only to be constantly met with accusations that she's selfish and evil (but not in the way she should be) and trying to ruin everyone's lives.

Apple gets to scream at and demean her even when Raven is the most calm and civil possible, cry her eyes out when Raven puts her foot down even the tiniest bit, give the tiniest little concessions when necessary, only to crumble again the second she's under any pressure and go right back to that same cycle.

And before anyone says Apple's a manipulated child. I'm not denying that. I don't think she's an irredeemable monster, I know she's been manipulated and yanked around by the adults in her life. But her being a victim too doesn't magically erase everything she does and I don't know why so much fanon analysis declaws her and waters down her behavior so much. You can feel bad for the manipulation she's gone through while still acknowledging the pattern of manipulative and selfish behavior, especially since that's one of the things that makes her character so interesting.

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Bold take maybe (idk what the general consensus is) but

EAH Books >>>> EAH Show

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When the canon ships are cute and you like them on their own but there's so much narrative potential poured into non-canon pairings that you can't take the official relationships seriously.

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RAVEN QUEEN STANS WHERE YALL AT???? I WANT TO BE YOUR FRIENDS!!!!!!

i summon thee with the power of awesome emo girl

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All my homies hate headmaster Grimm.