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I feel like ppl don’t see this as a big deal bc they don’t see DID/OSDD as real disabilities,like it’s just some silly online label to them.

What if someone were stealing posts about autism and making them about “being silly” or smth?? What if someone stole posts about schizophrenia and made it about daydreaming?? DID/OSDD are DISORDERS just like every other neurodivergency. The fact that y’all(endos) treat it like it isn’t says a LOT about how you view disabled people.

It’s not “alter disorder”. When an endo spreads misinfo about DID/OSDD bc they just think it’s all about alters that’s already ableist by itself, but stealing posts about it and turning it in so some fun little game is some fucked up shit.

What post was stolen? I'm confused

Basically there's a couple of accounts made by (pro) endos that's literally just them copy and pasting anti endo posts, just to edit them slightly then post in endo tags, if they even edit them at all. Just straight up taking posts without permission and warning for the sole purpose of making them ""inclusive"".

Basically they think we're all asshole bigots who don't deserve to have our boundaries respected. Afaik, they haven't snatched any of our posts, but they've definitely done it to several of our mutuals. There's never any credit, never permission, nothing, they just take the posts word for word, change the tags and maybe the wording a little, then act like they're being inclusive when they're just making CDD experiences about endos.

I know to some people, it may seem like we're overreacting, but I need yall to understand;

They are blatantly, deliberately, and intentionally ignoring boundaries, talking over CDD systems, and invading our spaces by doing this. They are taking posts about OUR EXPERIENCES, and making it about endos without our permission or knowledge. When you hear "endos are making our disorder about them", this is what we mean by that. THAT'S FUCKING ABLEIST.

If you can't respect a boundary as small as "don't copy my posts to put in endo tags", there's no reason for us to believe you will respect any other boundary we set. The message this kind of thing sends, is that we don't deserve to have our boundaries respected and that we don't deserve to have separate spaces away from endos.

-Milkyway

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since it's a hot topic in syscourse id like to present this study/paper made in 2004;

Therapeutic Hazards of Treating Child Alters as Real Children in Dissociative Identity Disorder by Shielagh R. Shusta-Hochberg

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ABSOLUTELY

Btw, I would prefer “mind” as a term referring to a member of a polymind to be exclusive to polyminds.

We made our own terms, let us keep them at least ffs

- 🎻

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Do you think turning off asks for a bit might improve things? Ppl are pussies, they’ll probably not harass you as much if they have to dm you directly or reblog bc it’ll expose their account

I took a break from aspengenic, came back feeling better, and then immediately got bullshit for answering an ask from an anon talking about concerning shit on a particular system's blog.

And I have that system blocked. They even apparently have me blocked, but yet they're still making vague posts about me.

Aspengenic is fucking exhausting. I've been back for a few days and I'm already fucking exhausted and about to just delete the entire thing, plus this blog.

At this point, I'm so fucking over it, but admittedly, logging into it is like an addiction that I need to cut ties with. Even if that means axing the entire thing.

Sorry if I vanish and the blogs are gone, but this shit is fucking ridiculous and I don't appreciate being called a fucking pedo and creep and shit because I run an archive and answered an ask about someone else that an anon sent me.

If that user had been Aspen or MilkTeaSystem, you guys wouldn't have sent me this fucking garbage. But because they're higher up in the system community food chain, you guys did.

And boy howdy, am I fucking sick of the shit. These blogs aren't even fun to run anymore, it's a fucking chore. It's not even a job because I'm not getting paid. I do it because it's worth documenting and people do appreciate it and thank me, but this bullshit is so not worth it anymore.

My mental health is not good, I have a serious panic disorder that results in seizures if I get too anxious. I have personal trauma and issues I'm working through outside of this, I have two jobs, I'm disabled, and this is so not worth the added stress.

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This is exactly how my time-stuck and little parts feel. They’re fully aware of how our life functions and what’s happened, but mentally they still feel the same as they did back then. They still flinch when ppl raise their hands or walk towards them, they still struggle to initiate conversations even with close friends and family, and they don’t share the bond with the people I’m close to because they’re always under the assumption that my new friends are just like my old friends and have bad intentions.

When ppl talk about alters being stuck in trauma time, they usually talk about those alters not knowing the body's friends, or recognizing where they live, or any number of physical reality changes. And we've definitely had that experience! But more often what "alters being stuck in trauma time" means for us is those alters know basic physical reality facts, but their emotional reality has not changed at all. So they might know our best friend, but they aren't connected to how that friend and I interact. They respond to everything like the trauma is still happening, so they expect any mistake to be met with punishment, they expect the ppl around them to suddenly hurt them without warning, they have no ability to use our modern coping methods, and they have no concept of anything being other than the abusive environment of our youth.

So yeah, our trauma-stuck alters typically know we live in a different house and our dad isn't coming home, and they know things like we graduated college and the names of our friends. What we struggle with a lot more is getting them to understand that this current time isn't just our childhood with new set dressings.

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I long for someone I can play with, I can growl at and they respond. Someone who I can go to conventions and on walks and to the pool. Finding other therians is so hard...｡⁠:ﾟ⁠(⁠;⁠´⁠∩⁠`⁠;⁠)ﾟ⁠:⁠｡

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It’s always funny—no, pathetic—watching endogenic systems spit venom at traumagenic ones for “trusting psychiatry,” like that makes us obedient little pets licking a boot. Newsflash: I’m not loyal to doctors. I’m loyal to truth. And the truth is, you don’t get to claim a TRAUMA disorder without trauma. That’s not elitism. That’s definition.

You don’t get to cherry-pick clinical terms while simultaneously denying the disorder they come from. You don’t get to walk into trauma-centered spaces wearing a mask you made out of someone else’s suffering and call that resistance. That’s not defiance. That’s theft. And if you think disrespecting survivors is punk, then you’ve clearly never bled for anything in your life.

I’m not here to coddle delusions. I’m not here to clap while you cosplay pain you never lived. You want to feel special? Get a new hobby. Because this—this identity built from shattered memories and carved from years of surviving what should’ve killed us? It doesn’t belong to you.

Being punk means burning down systems that hurt people. Not stealing the scars of those they’ve already broken.

You’re not punk. You’re a parasite. And no matter how loud you scream or how many buzzwords you throw like confetti, you’ll never be what we are.

You’ll never get it.

And you’ll never be us.

-Mistfits

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Why not just do the research yourself? Genuinely, who is stopping you from googling stuff?? /nm

(Directed at asker)

I know I’m a non traumagenic (endo) non disordered collective, but can I pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease keep replying to your posts with genuine questions and opinions as long as I stay respectful/don’t insult anyone?

it’s so rare to find anti endos that let me research and find sources for things without attacking me. I really like being in and having discussions with both sides of the community because it helps us keep an open mind and stay up to date about things happening within the entire community without getting too much bias from one side or another.

once again: pleeeeaaasseeee, I’ll be nice I promise I just want to ask questions and find out about stuff.

I'd rather not

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Most medical sources I’ve read consider integration to be a form of fusion. /nm

Common things in DID that no one likes to talk about

- switches that feel like you’re turning into someone else rather than them taking control (non-possessive switching)

- being unable to recognize amnesia until something requires you to remember something you forgot

- staying in the front for weeks at a time

- being unable to communicate with alters internally (this is so common why does everyone act like this is weird?)

- feeling like you don’t have any problems because you feel disconnected from them

- constant denial

- rapid identity, label, and appearance changes

- comorbidities, particularly personality disorders, anxiety disorders, and the schizophrenia spectrum

- autism (there is science pointing towards autistic people being more susceptible to trauma)

- disliking your system

- wanting final fusion

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On this note, ppl just straight up not understanding what fusion is.

“I don’t wanna fuse, I just want less dissociation & amnesia, and better communication between alters.” Thats fusion, you just described fusion. Fusion is simply lessening the barriers within your mind to allow your parts to better work together as a cohesive personality, that’s literally it.

Common things in DID that no one likes to talk about

- switches that feel like you’re turning into someone else rather than them taking control (non-possessive switching)

- being unable to recognize amnesia until something requires you to remember something you forgot

- staying in the front for weeks at a time

- being unable to communicate with alters internally (this is so common why does everyone act like this is weird?)

- feeling like you don’t have any problems because you feel disconnected from them

- constant denial

- rapid identity, label, and appearance changes

- comorbidities, particularly personality disorders, anxiety disorders, and the schizophrenia spectrum

- autism (there is science pointing towards autistic people being more susceptible to trauma)

- disliking your system

- wanting final fusion

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YES SAME bc it further spreads the idea that DID/OSDD is just having “multiple people in your head” and not an actual disability.

Gives the same vibes as ppl who claim that alters are all separate individual people. They’re not separate people, they’re fragments of one single person.

am i the only person that hates the word "plural" when talking abt systems

is that just me

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“I’ve done extensive research on DID” and then they say this shit lmfao

Calling it a cult is fucking wild

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Lmao what are they so mad about?? Your original question was just asking ppls opinions, not stating any “facts”

Don't force faunagenders into the alterhuman label, jackass.

i haven’t forced a single thing. all i did was ask a question and explain why MY gender is related to MY nonhumanity. this seems like misplaced anger

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I once posted something basically saying “If you’re not disorder by your disorder, you don’t have a disorder.” And got FLAMED lmao, tumblr hates basic facts💀

Reminder that a diagnosis will not ruin your life or make you unhirable. You don't need to tell your employer about your diagnosis. You aren't obligated to tell anyone expect your therapist about your diagnosis. I am autistic and I am not obligated to tell anyone about that, therefore, I will not be putting it on my future resume because telling my employer can reduce my chances. The same goes for any disorder, especially DID.

The amount of fear mongering in system communities that about diagnosis is actually insane. I forgot the details so I won't be going deep into it, but telling your employer about your diagnosis is not needed. Keep that shit a secret if you feel like they won't hire you because of it. They are not obligated to your medical history.

You do not need to tell anyone about your system.

Additionally, let's stop telling people that they don't need to get diagnosed, or, at the very least, medically recognized. A diagnosis/medical recognition comes with help. And if you're a system, you need help.

Diagonsis/medical recognition is a good thing. A therapist can and will help you.

The fear surrounding diagnosis is fucking unbelievable. It will not ruin your chances, because you don't have to tell them.

A professional diagnosis will always be better than a self dx. Why? Because you cannot treat yourself. Yes, a trained and educated professional DOES know your brain better than you. Your research on the internet will not top the one of someone who has studied in college with other professionals for years and has been in the field treating and helping people for years too.

As a community, we need to stop fucking fear mongering around therapists and diagnosis.

There are good doctors out there.

Master tip: If you're suspecting a certain disorder, do not just get someone random. Get a specialist. Too many people forget this honestly. A normal psychologist can help, but not as much as a psychologist specialized in your suspected disorder. Maybe that normal psychologist doesn't even believe it's real.

Overall, I hate the fact that people have led young children to believe that getting a diagnosis is bad. It is not. Stop. Fear mongering.

If you're in an unsafe household situation, I can understand not being able to get one, however. But diagnosis is not a bad thing. It helps. It gets you help.

At the very minimum, get medically recognized.

A diagnosis can help with validation, figuring out your disorder, figuring out your symptoms, and a lot more other things. It also helps with treatment.

Extra things about polymind or plurality and identifying with terms below.

Some more extra things

If you don't identify with the term system, use "pwDID/OSDD." I don't identify with the term system either, and I rather use I/me pronouns.

On that note, it's okay to identify with I/me pronouns. I see myself not as a system or collective, but a fragmented person. I am one person, but not in the way a singlet would be. I am fragmented parts of a person. So I identify far more with I/me, because all my alters are "me", and "I" am them too.

Ya don't need to identify with other pwDIS/OSDD online. Don't compare yourself to others. It's bad.

If you want to identify as a plural, mind two things:

1. it is heavily associated with endogenics.

2. Plural Is an inherently spiritual concept. Identifying as multiple people has been a spiritual thing for ages now.

Plurality also correlates to things like polyminds, which are not systems but can fall under the plural umbrella.

You do not need to be a system to be plural. Identifying as multiple people Is more than just system. It can be spiritual, it can be IFS, it can be polymind.

When talking about non disordered plurality, do not think of endos. Think closed practices. Think stuff like polymind.

I think we should stop heavily associating the term "plural" with endogenics and systems. It just means you identify as multiple people, which has been a concept for a while now, and it relates to many many other things.

There are concepts that I mentioned that may make you want to say you're plural.

Sorry, long rant.

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Yea I’m the same way, the way I experience being a polymind isn’t quite the same as some others, I mostly use the label because it describes my silly brain the best for now until I’m able to see a doctor, since what I experience overlaps with OSDID and pluralitypretty much equally lol

Okay y'all

I'll come out and say I identify far more with the term polyminded than system.

Listen, I'm not saying I hate the term system.

I just want to use something similar to polymind. But I'm not polyminded so I don't wanna use the term.

I had some ideas:

Multiparts

Polyidentity

Multiconscious

What do we think?

If you have anymore ideas, please drop them. I am also considering using the term "plural" along with these.

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Crazy that this is a controversial take bro😭

I’m not sure when “I’m self diagnosed because I can’t see a doctor at the moment” turned into “doctors are evil and never to be trusted and google is basically the same as college anyway” but I am NOT here for it, back in my day self diagnosis was just a placeholder until you could access actual medical treatment/silly

Ppl will fr read one story about a bad doctor and then decide that every single one must be a spy working for the government or smth

Reminder that a diagnosis will not ruin your life or make you unhirable. You don't need to tell your employer about your diagnosis. You aren't obligated to tell anyone expect your therapist about your diagnosis. I am autistic and I am not obligated to tell anyone about that, therefore, I will not be putting it on my future resume because telling my employer can reduce my chances. The same goes for any disorder, especially DID.

The amount of fear mongering in system communities that about diagnosis is actually insane. I forgot the details so I won't be going deep into it, but telling your employer about your diagnosis is not needed. Keep that shit a secret if you feel like they won't hire you because of it. They are not obligated to your medical history.

You do not need to tell anyone about your system.

Additionally, let's stop telling people that they don't need to get diagnosed, or, at the very least, medically recognized. A diagnosis/medical recognition comes with help. And if you're a system, you need help.

Diagonsis/medical recognition is a good thing. A therapist can and will help you.

The fear surrounding diagnosis is fucking unbelievable. It will not ruin your chances, because you don't have to tell them.

A professional diagnosis will always be better than a self dx. Why? Because you cannot treat yourself. Yes, a trained and educated professional DOES know your brain better than you. Your research on the internet will not top the one of someone who has studied in college with other professionals for years and has been in the field treating and helping people for years too.

As a community, we need to stop fucking fear mongering around therapists and diagnosis.

There are good doctors out there.

Master tip: If you're suspecting a certain disorder, do not just get someone random. Get a specialist. Too many people forget this honestly. A normal psychologist can help, but not as much as a psychologist specialized in your suspected disorder. Maybe that normal psychologist doesn't even believe it's real.

Overall, I hate the fact that people have led young children to believe that getting a diagnosis is bad. It is not. Stop. Fear mongering.

If you're in an unsafe household situation, I can understand not being able to get one, however. But diagnosis is not a bad thing. It helps. It gets you help.

At the very minimum, get medically recognized.

A diagnosis can help with validation, figuring out your disorder, figuring out your symptoms, and a lot more other things. It also helps with treatment.

Extra things about polymind or plurality and identifying with terms below.

Some more extra things

If you don't identify with the term system, use "pwDID/OSDD." I don't identify with the term system either, and I rather use I/me pronouns.

On that note, it's okay to identify with I/me pronouns. I see myself not as a system or collective, but a fragmented person. I am one person, but not in the way a singlet would be. I am fragmented parts of a person. So I identify far more with I/me, because all my alters are "me", and "I" am them too.

Ya don't need to identify with other pwDIS/OSDD online. Don't compare yourself to others. It's bad.

If you want to identify as a plural, mind two things:

1. it is heavily associated with endogenics.

2. Plural Is an inherently spiritual concept. Identifying as multiple people has been a spiritual thing for ages now.

Plurality also correlates to things like polyminds, which are not systems but can fall under the plural umbrella.

You do not need to be a system to be plural. Identifying as multiple people Is more than just system. It can be spiritual, it can be IFS, it can be polymind.

When talking about non disordered plurality, do not think of endos. Think closed practices. Think stuff like polymind.

I think we should stop heavily associating the term "plural" with endogenics and systems. It just means you identify as multiple people, which has been a concept for a while now, and it relates to many many other things.

There are concepts that I mentioned that may make you want to say you're plural.

Sorry, long rant.

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I can’t be sure why you don’t wanna use the term polymind specifically, but as a polymind myself, I wouldn’t have a problem with you using it!

I have a friend who thought they were a system for a few years, but later realized that they experience their identities/symptoms falls closer to polymindence! Some ppl also just use the term as a placeholder(either for medical diagnosis for for general identify stuff)until they’re more sure of themselves and that’s fine too :3

Okay y'all

I'll come out and say I identify far more with the term polyminded than system.

Listen, I'm not saying I hate the term system.

I just want to use something similar to polymind. But I'm not polyminded so I don't wanna use the term.

I had some ideas:

Multiparts

Polyidentity

Multiconscious

What do we think?

If you have anymore ideas, please drop them. I am also considering using the term "plural" along with these.