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Also, looking back on the Deltarune Valentine Newsletter, this letter was DEFINITELY written by the Forgotten Man.

They both speak in all-caps, they both bring something up and immediately forget what that something was about, they both talk riddle-like, it's difficult to hear them talking, they both directly bring up the game Deltarune, it's gotta be him!

And since it is him, oh boy this letter sure is interesting.

“I WANT TO HELP! YES, THERE WAS SOMEONE I WANTED TO HELP.”

This is definitely referring to Kris. The Forgotten Man is giving Kris these eggs for a reason, and the CH3 and CH4 egg rooms both hint that Kris is repressing a memory of some sort, a memory having to do with the scarlet tree.

And in the CH4 egg room, the Forgotten Man is inside the patient room, encouraging Kris to draw the memory they've been repressing. It's very obvious that the Forgotten Man used to be Kris’ therapist, and he's encouraging Kris to draw out their trauma.

Something happened to him that made him get erased from Deltarune’s reality, but he's still trying to help Kris. Matter of fact, I bet that the Forgotten Man never got Kris to tell him what they saw behind that tree before the Forgotten Man got erased, that's why he's trying so hard to help Kris remember now.

Then the Forgotten Man goes on to say, “I SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN WHO... YES, IT'S QUITE IRONIC, BUT I SEEM TO HAVE FORGOTTEN. WAS IT MYSELF? NO... WELL, PERHAPS. REGARDLESS, WHEN I SEE THEM, I'M CERTAIN I WILL KNOW IT STRAIGHT AWAY.”

This states that the Forgotten Man has a hard time remembering Kris despite trying to help them. It might be hard to tell how truthful the Forgotten Man is being as he seemingly has knowledge of many important things (The prophecy, Kris’ trauma) but I think he's being genuine here. He can only remember things when they're right in front of him, and he mostly acts on instinct. He somehow knows where Kris is going to go, and so he always goes there.

But the, “WAS IT MYSELF? NO…WELL, PERHAPS,” part is really interesting to me. The Forgotten Man implies here that helping Kris remember their trauma will help himself in some way. But how?

Well, let's actually look at the method that the Forgotten Man uses to help Kris: the eggs. Now even though we have a better grasp on the Forgotten Man’s deal now, the eggs still come across as really random. What do eggs have to do with trauma?

Well it's less so the concept of eggs themselves and more so the fact that the eggs are seemingly the only object that can go between the Light World and Dark Worlds without changing.

Your Light World pencil turns into a sword in the Dark World, Lancer and Rouxls turn into cards, the Shadow Crystals turn into glass, but the eggs are the only things that don't change in-between worlds. Why is that?

Well, this is me just spitballing here but what if the Forgotten Man is using the eggs to ground Kris to reality? Like the eggs are the only “real” objects in the Dark World, they're something tangible for Kris to hold onto.

Then Kris can take them into the dark world and put them somewhere safe, in a pile of eggs or in a fridge. Because eggs are fragile and need to be protected…

Fragile…protected…

OH, THE FORGOTTEN MAN IS USING THE EGGS AS AN ALLEGORY FOR REPRESSED MEMORIES.

Think about it: The Dark Worlds are very direct metaphors for day dreams and escapism, two things that people who are traumatized often partake in. But even when you try to escape from your trauma, it still comes back in flashbacks or triggers. That's the eggs, the eggs are the fragile memories that you need to go out of your way to find and protect or else they'll go away again.

This would explain why the egg rooms go from a simple room with the scarlet tree to a rudimentary island with multiple inhabitants to a doctor's office in line with the style of the rest of the game. The eggs are slowly helping Kris remember the doctor's office, the island, the scarlet tree, the Forgotten Man.

And maybe, when we get the final egg in CH5, we'll get to clearly see the Forgotten Man, and he'll clearly see himself too. Helping Kris helps him.

However, the Forgotten Man goes on to say something very strange, “WILL YOU HELP ME? YOU ARE VERY ODD, RESPONDING OUT LOUD TO A LETTER. BUT, YOU SEEM RELIABLE. I WILL BE COUNTING ON YOU.”

Who is the Forgotten Man talking to? All of the other letters don't address the reader this directly, sure most of them say “you”, but that's because they're Valentine's letters made for anyone to use including other in-universe characters. But the Forgotten Man seems to be talking to someone responding out loud to the letter, the person reading the letter. Who could it be?

Well, I don't think he's talking to Kris, because if he was he would've “known them straight away” as they do in the egg rooms. No, I think the Forgotten Man is talking to us, the player. He's asking us to help guide Kris to the egg rooms, which makes a lotta sense. After all, Kris probably doesn't want to confront the trauma the Forgotten Man is trying to help them remember. Plus the egg rooms are only found through breaking the game in a way that calls attention to the fact that the world of Deltarune is, in fact, a game.

We have to walk in-between rooms to get to the egg rooms, something that doesn't make sense to Kris because all they see is an open world, but we have the power to see the transition between rooms, the dark fade in, fade out. The darkness in-between.

This game breaking element is especially obvious in the CH3 egg room. In order to get to that egg room, we need to get the “X” in the UI menu to change to red and click on it, causing our SOUL (not Kris' physical body) to walk off into the egg room, dragging Kris with us.

But do you know what this means? This means that the Forgotten Man has the ability to talk directly to the player, something that only Gaster is shown to do, further proving that the Forgotten Man is a version of Gaster. (Not to mention the fact that in CH3 and this letter, the Forgotten Man says “DELTARUNE IS WAITING” and “HOW IS DELTARUNE?” He knows that Deltarune is a game that we are playing, just like Gaster.)

RIDDLE THEORY

Okay so y'know how in the CH3 egg room the Forgotten Man says this nonsense?

Most ppl in the fandom write these lines of dialogue off completely, but I actually think this a riddle. More than that, I think this riddle is the Forgotten Man telling us where the past egg rooms were and where to find future egg rooms.

Let's start off with addressing the whole Thursday-Sunday thing, what do the days of the week have to do with egg rooms? Everything actually! Because guess what? CH1 of Deltarune takes place on a Thursday.

We know this because in CH2 Susie and Kris go to school, but then in CH4 no one's in school because it's the first day of the weekend AKA Saturday.

So if CH4 takes place on Saturday, then CH2 must take place on Friday, and CH1 must take place on a Thursday. CH3 is stuck in a weird limbo bc Kris opened up the TV dark world late at night (probably closer to midnight, as evidenced by this quiz)

So while technically it's Saturday night because it's currently past midnight, it also doesn't feel like the start of a new day. That'll be an important detail so keep that in your noggin.

ANYWAY, let's start with the first part of the riddle.

Now while we obviously don't find the Forgotten Man selling donuts in CH1, we do find a bake sale, a bake sale that sells donuts.

It's worth noting that the bake sale has a teleporter door and the only save point you'll have for the next couple of rooms. These two things mark the bake sale as an important checkpoint. Why is the bake sale so important? Because in the very next room we find a tree identical to the one found in the egg room, hinting that we may find this very same tree again between the bake sale and the next checkpoint.

So that's part one of the riddle down, but what about this next part?

Well, this one's actually pretty obvious. CH2 takes place on a Friday, right? Well, guess where we find the egg room? In-between a sidewalk and a hidden dumpster room. Bada-bing, bada-boom.

Also notice how the dumpster and bake sale both relate to the first two secret bosses, Spamton and Jevil? Above the bake sale is where you find the blacksmith that mends the broken key to Jevil's cell, and we find out that Spamton lives in the hidden dumpster. This draws a very deliberate connection between the secret bosses and the egg rooms. Remember this.

Okay and what about the third part of the riddle?

Well, and this might be a bit weird, but I don't think this part of the riddle refers to the CH3 egg room at all. Remember how I said that CH3 is kinda in a limbo in-between Friday and Saturday because it takes place at midnight? Well, I think CH3 being in-between the days of the week excludes it from this riddle. Plus, beyond the whole time thing, the CH3 egg room doesn't relate to windows at all.

But y'know which egg room does relate to that? The CH4 egg room. Yeah, this one's also pretty obvious but we find the CH4 egg room by going in-between a window and a secret library.

Now before we move onto the last part of the riddle, allow me to spit another theory at ya. Remember how I said that the riddle deliberately connects the egg rooms to the first two secret bosses? Well, right about now you're probably beginning to question that connection. The secret boss of CH4 is Gerson, and the CH4 egg room doesn't have an obvious connection to Gerson at all. So was the connection between the first two egg rooms and the secret bosses just a coincidence?

No.

I believe the connection between the first two egg rooms and the secret bosses was intentional, and I believe that Gerson not being all that connected to the CH4 egg room was also intentional. Why do I think this? Because Gerson is the first secret boss to not slip into darkness.

Let's think about it: what do the first three secret bosses (Jevil, Spamton, and ERAM) all have in common? They're all related to darkness. Jevil is trapped in a dark, lonely cell and talks about how a darkness will consume our hearts. Spamton is forced to live in a dark garbage can and complains about how it's still so dark even in his NEO form. And ERAM is a shadowy figure found in a dark hidden room that gives us an item resistant to dark attacks.

But Gerson isn't like that at all. He tells us that someone gave him the shadow crystal and wanted him to use it, but he refused to. And seemingly because of that, he didn't get lost in the darkness. Unlike the first three secret bosses, Gerson is kind, helpful, friendly, but most of all he isn't consumed by darkness. Hell, he spends most of his time in a comfy well-lit room with a fireplace. He's the absolute antithesis to the first three secret bosses.

And it's because of this that the CH4 egg room isn't really related to Gerson. All the other egg rooms are connected to the secret bosses in some way (even the CH3 egg room is kinda related to ERAM since they're both found through convoluted secrets in retro video games), but because Gerson broke free of that cycle, he didn't become connected to the egg room.

…However, there is still a connection to be made between Gerson and the egg room, albeit a vague one. As I mentioned, the CH4 egg room is found in-between the window and the hidden library. Well, the hidden library actually contains a single book inside. Read it and you get this story: "Something grew from the bitter water. It felt like glass."

Hm. Water, something that looks like glass? Where have I heard all that before?

Ah, yes, the shadow crystal. A piece of glass that moves like water in your hand.

So what does all this mean? Why are all the egg rooms connected back to the secret bosses/shadow crystals? Well, that's because the secret bosses/shadow crystals all relate back to one thing: Gaster.

Jevil met a strange someone that made his view of the world become darker, yet darker. Spamton was always on the phone with someone that made him a big shot, and the phone emitted garbage noise. ERAM is found in the shelter, and the shelter emits the same sound found in ENTRY NUMBER SEVENTEEN. The shadow crystals are impossibly dark shards that don't reflect any light, photon readings negative.

It all leads back to him. But why? Why are the egg rooms deliberately connected to Gaster? Well, I think you know why.

It's because the Forgotten Man is Gaster.

The Forgotten Man is found in-between rooms, and so is the Mystery Man sprite in Undertale. The Forgotten Man is forgotten and obscured, and so is Gaster. The Forgotten Man can only speak in all-caps, and so does Gaster. Gaster has knowledge of the prophecy, and so does the Forgotten Man.

“But the Forgotten Man doesn't have knowledge of the prophecy,” I hear you say. “He never tells us anything about the prophecy.”

But he does.

Let's finally talk about the last part of the Forgotten Man's riddle.

The fifth egg room is going to be found on a Sunday, it's going to be found in CH5. Importantly, it's going to be found in a wheat field. Now obviously CH5 hasn't come out yet, so I don't know what it has in store. But I know for certain that the CH5 dark world will have a wheat field.

How do I know this? Well, during your fight with Gerson, he rattles off the titles and descriptions of the chapters from The Lord Of The Hammer. We find out from Gerson that The Lord Of The Hammer series is based on the prophecy that the Fun Gang are seemingly destined to carry out. The chapters of The Lord Of The Hammer further confirm this fact as they all sound pretty similar to the first four chapters of Deltarune.

But then Gerson tells us of a fifth chapter.

According to Gerson, the fifth chapter will contain a field of pink and gold, a garden that gets burned. Obviously this hints at the CH5 dark world being inside Asgore's flower shop. It's a flower shop with double doors, Asgore had fire magic in Undertale so Asgore's garden being set ablaze would make sense, Asgore could become jealous of Sans having a better relationship with Toriel than he does.

It all adds up. But what does the “Field of Pink and Gold” mean? In Deltarune, pink and gold is often related to the secret bosses (Spamton has pink and gold shades, FRIEND's eyes are pink and gold, the controller Kris uses to play the secret boss game is pink and gold.)

Why is the field in CH5 gonna be pink and gold?

…Well, the Forgotten Man did say you'll find him in a wheat field. A golden field.

The Forgotten Man knows about the prophecy, he knows that Kris will be able to find him in a future plant-themed dark world.

But what did Gerson say about Chapter 5? That it was the last chapter? That the story “swallowed up the author whole”? An author that got killed by their own creation, now where have I heard that before?

And what do you know? The Forgotten Man only tells us about where to find him up til CH5, but not CH6 or CH7. Why is that?

If the Forgotten Man truly is a version of Gaster, then this can only mean that after CH5 we may never see the Forgotten Man again, and (just like Gerson, just like Gaster) the Forgotten Man will be swallowed up by something, something he created.

CH5 is gonna be the last chapter where we'll be able to collect an egg. And these eggs are gonna be the only way we'll be able to remember the Forgotten Man after he's gone.

And the Forgotten Man knows that this will happen. He tells you as much himself.

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