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freewilllife · 5 days ago

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The year is 1848. You are Anne Brontë, and you have written a cautionary tale for young women about the dangers of marriage and how you cannot reform a rake, and that the notion that "women's gentle influence" can do anything towards fixing corrupted and vicious men is a perverse lie. To get this point across you insert a conversation between two characters close to the beginning of the novel where you logically argue "You would have us encourage our sons to prove all things by their own experience, while our daughters must not even profit by the experience of others." and then you illustrate your point through how, despite loving her aunt dearly, your main character cannot understand the extent of the danger she's in because her aunt will only allude to it in vagueries. Surely nothing can be clearer and more forcibly expressed, right?

Reviewer at Sharpe's London Magazine:

"we cannot but express our deep regret that a book in many respects eminently calculated to advance the cause of religion and right feeling, the moral of which is unimpeachable and most powerfully wrought out, should be rendered unfit for the perusal of the very class of persons to whom it would be most useful, (namely, imaginative girls likely to risk their happiness on the forlorn hope of marrying and reforming a captivating rake), owing to the profane expressions, inconceivably coarse language, and revolting scenes and descriptions by which its pages are disfigured."

(now you can better understand the tone of the preface to the second edition)

Bonus:

"we consider the evils which render the work unfit for perusal (for we go that length in regard to it,) to arise from a perverted taste and an absence of mental refinement in the writer, together with a total ignorance of the usages of good society... despite reports to the contrary, we will not believe any woman could have written such a work... at the first glance we should say, none but a man could have known so intimately each vile, dark fold of the civilized brute's corrupted nature; none but a man could make so daring an exhibition as this book presents to us. On the other hand, no man, we should imagine, would have written a work in which all the women, even the worst, are so far superior in every quality, moral and intellectual, to all the men; no man would have made his sex appear at once coarse, brutal, and contemptibly weak, at once disgusting and ridiculous. There are, besides, a thousand trifles which indicate a woman's mind, and several more important things which show a woman's peculiar virtues. Still there is a bold coarseness, a reckless freedom of language, and an apparent familiarity with the sayings and doings of the worst style of fast men, in their worst moments, which would induce us to believe it impossible that a woman could have written it. A possible solution of the enigma is, that it may be the production of an authoress assisted by her husband, or some other male friend: if this be not the case, we would rather decide on the whole, that it is a man's writing."

We love a person who can read a book about how women, even high class women, do not and cannot escape horrifying scenes of abuse and degradation by men in Victorian society, and are, because of their special legal and economic vulnerability, most often the target of it, and go "this couldn't have possibly been written by a woman because ladies cannot have any experience whatsoever of such things."

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freewilllife · 5 days ago

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Well if it was simple that XL saw MQ and FX less then him or even didn’t see them as friends then 1) why would he even change his mind about it later? The fact is XL is not that kind of a person.

Oh, he certainly complained about them not listening to him. But it seemed their company won him over.

They are apart fom Hua Cheng and Xie Lian the last of Xianle.

2) it doest make sense that he would MQ they have always been friends or even the whole emotional turmoil being resolved in the last arc wouldn’t make sense. 3)

I don´t know, what you mean here exactly, but I try.

Xie Lian liked Mu Qing and vice versa, Mu Qing liked Xie Lian. But their relationship was still no friendship in the past, since they were master and servant.

Before Xie Lian had hardly really known Feng Xien and Mu Qing, he understood them better after he met them again. When Mu Qing confessed his feelings, Xie Lian understood, that Mu Qing had been actually jealous and had not been disgusted with him. In fact Mu Qing admired him. Their relationship was hindered by Xie Lian´s superficiality and Mu Qing´s pride.

3) XL was a prince, and he saw the life from the point of a prince. But he tried his best to be understanding, so see from MQs perspective. You can’t take that away from him.

And yet it is a factor, why the relationship between them was master and servant and ergo not equal.

4) why would he be ok with MQ going ?! Or accept it when MQ first brought it up. He was more taken aback by MQ siding with the gods. Something MQ himself regretted but said he had no choice. (Like things are more than just one particular situation) I still maintain MQ did what he had to he was right in doing so. And XL was right in feeling betrayed. But again it was a horrible situation they were in. And in the long run it didn’t matter. They both let go. No one held it over the other. You know like friends.

Xie Lian was greatly disturbed, when Mu Qing left, actually. Because he had had his head in the clouds...the thought that the relationship between them would last forever.

And no, Mu Qing has never regretted the deed in itself, merely the pain he has inflicted on Xie Lian.

That is a difference, but an important one.

They didn´t both let go...Xie Lian drove Mu Qing out, drew rice in his face ect...

Xie Lian´s pride was more important than the lives of his father and mother. Sometimes, you have to take into account the consequences of your actions.

5)as for putting in his shoes (as I have said before) the whole separation arc and subsequent 800 is what made him see beyond his privilege.

And he has still not achieved to put himself in Mu Qing´s shoes one time in that situation.

The point being, just because they were his attendants, doesn’t mean XL didn’t see him as his friends. He did.

Xie Lian was pretty much aware, that they were master and servants. When they observed a servant beating up his master, Xie Lian became quite nervous himself. And asked Feng Xin, what he thought about it...

The fact stands that a friendship was not possible during that point in time. a) because they were not equal b) Xie Lian did not know too much about his servants, nor had he really perceived them more as people than his servants. c) Especially in Mu Qing´s and Xie Lian´s case there were many hidden feelings and thoughts.

Same way I think MQ didn’t have to be an ass after XL ascended the 3rd time.

Actually, it was pretty fine. I guess, Xie Lian had hardly been aware, how much grudge Mu Qing held. It also helped that they spoke more rashly towards each other, to build a bridge between them.

I don’t see human relationships in such black and white perspectives or to be put more accurately through a modern moral lens. Especially a tale set in a fantasy world with kings and queens (XL was also a prince) + gods who are no better than demons.

That still doesn´t change, that there was no friendship until the end of the series.

If Mu Qing had been really his friend, he would have not expressed, "that he wanted to become his friend"...

If they had been friends from the start, this sentence would be ridiculous, so the author was aware, that their relationship couldn´ t be counted as friendship.

But like to each their own. We aren’t changing each other’s mind. And honestly it’s a subjective interpretation… hope you have a good day 😁😁

Yea, I wish you also all the best!

Ok so someone sent me this post. And like what?!

Like how do I explain that this is not what friendships are or how they work. While yes they had every right to leave (actually FX didn’t leave, XL literally told him to leave).

I’d agree to this if they said MQ and FX had every right to leave but XL has every right to feel betrayed.

Like the story is more than one situation… that’s what the book is about. The actions which are a culmination of thousands of others and its consequences. And how characters respond to these consequences.

The three were “friends” especially in XLs eyes. That’s the very reason he doesn’t blame either of them. This is so… Had every“right.” 🙄 If that’s what you think about friendships then I’ve got some news for you…

MQ was worried about his mother and saw the reality for what it was (their homelessness, their hunger etc). Ascending helped him help both his families (his mother and XL/FX). Also, at the end of the day what happened at the hill was betrayal (you can justify it all you like) MQ knew it too (I wonder if he actually discussed his thoughts with FQ or XL about ascending himself) and hence his immediate reaction. But XL was too far gone at that point (that’s one thing you wouldn’t expect your friend to do at that point).

But it was such a horrible time for all of them so afterwards (years later) even XL understood it was just awful circumstances so he never held it against MQ. AND THAT IS THE POINT.

Also, if I leave my friend during their worst time l (no matter what I’m going through) yes I’m not being a good friend. Like wise if I can’t understand my friends actions in that circumstance then I’m not being a good friend either. THAT IS THE POINT.

I wonder id MQ ever discussed with FX about his plan (may be he did because Id like to think so especially considering FX was accepting the food from MQ. On that note don’t forget after a while XL ended up eating the food MQ gave despite initially not wanting it. THIS IS THE BIGGEST HINT THAT THINGS ARE NOT SIMPLE BLACK AND WHITE). Hence yes, XL did feel betrayed after the hill. Whether MQs actions right/ wrong is irrelevant. Whether XLs reaction (right or wrong) to the betrayal (I think Jun Wu also made an appearance then and this was the beginning of XLs mental health crisis as well) is again Irrelevant. Especially 800 years later. SO GETTING HUNG UP ON THIS IS SOOO D*MB.

Which is why I get annoyed at MQs behavior in the first book (The weird smiles/ wanting to feel vindicated/ superior). Keyword “get annoyed” doesn’t mean I can’t understand why he’s reacting as such or rather it’s coming off as such (the latter part is what I like to believe). He’s still stuck in their early dynamics that he’s of a lower status than XL and FX. Honestly, he needed to realize that XL always considered him a friend. (Something he didn’t realize until the very end 800 years later). This comes from him still grappling with his own status while a human. He can’t even understand how XL would consider him a friend… Like he was shocked. All his actions in the first book point towards MQ believing XL thinks he (XL) is better than MQ bro is too stuck in his head (yes that come off as mean/ rude af. There is no denying at at all).

THESE THINGS DONT HAPPEN IN A VACCUM.

FX was more about blind loyalty. That he couldn’t see (for that part neither could XL) the reality of the situation that MQ did. Honestly FX needed to tone down his judgements towards MQ (guess who was cleaning and cooking and managing their finances even after their kingdom fell? MQ). No matter how right he was, he chose the worst way to say it. It was getting on my nerves as well. (MQ way better than me I’d have smacked FX. Having said that MQ was rude as well). This is something both XL and FX realize after MQ is gone.

I don’t think FX would have left unless XL forced him to. But he needed that to see a different perspective outside XL. Likewise (the in case of XL he too realized he’d been very selfish as well)

XL, for that matter, let MQ go. He understood where the other was coming from. Period. He was betrayed at the hill (+ he was scared being abandoned). Not to mention the whole trying to steal arc… they were all desperate. And poor guy. Someone was playing a chess game-cum-roulette against him life without his knowledge. These people (you cannot seriously believe Jun Wu did not set up FX/ MQ ascending) were specifically put in the worst circumstances possible, repeatedly. One after the other…

But guess what? Despite everything MQ and FX still helped XL once they found him 800 years ago (no matter in disguise). XL recognized them after all this time no matter that they were clones. The trio made up in the end because they were friends. THATS THE POINT. THINGS WERE UNFORTUNATE AND THEY HAD TO SEPARATE BUT THEY DIDNT STOP BEING FRIENDS DESPITE EVERYTHING…

So if someone says XL was right or FX was right or MQ was right… neither of them was. There is no wrong or right. There is no saying one was more justified than other…

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freewilllife · 6 days ago

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The narrative that acts like feminists inappropriately insert their politics into everything while men mind their business is a farce. Men insert their politics and male agendas into jokes, television, journalism, children’s books and movies, toys, religion, social common sense, cultures, traditions, classrooms, the economy and the entire system of human living . The only difference is that the male has declared himself the voice of objectivity: going against men is challenging nature itself.

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freewilllife · 6 days ago

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No, she wasn't. Kate WAS NOT better than her father.

She definitely was. Abusive men don´t deserve anything better. She had every right to commit that crime.

I just finished a re-watch of the "LOST" episode, (4.04) "Eggtown". One, it's not really a good episode. Two, watching some of the YouTube reactions to the show made me realize how dense some of the "LOST" fandom can be.

Some of the fans and the YouTube reactors were so busy being dictated by their biases over these characters. Kate Austen's mother, Diane Jensen, WAS NEVER worse than Kate. She wasn't even a bad woman. Kate was not only worse than her mother, but also worse than her father, Wayne Jensen.

You know what disgusted me about Kate sometimes? She was the one who had murdered Wayne in COLD BLOOD and all because she was having an emotional crisis over who was her father. Then she had lied to Diane about why she had killed him. Yet in "Eggtown", she had the nerve to pull the guilt trip on Diane for ratting her out? When Diane had a very good reason to rat her out? God, what a piece of shit Kate could be. Then again, she was no different from many of the other "LOST" characters . . . like Jack Shephard, who had committed attempted murder and perjury by this point in the series; James "Sawyer" Ford, who had committed three acts of murder for the slimmest of reasons within a period of three months; Ben Linus for his slew of crimes and manipulations; Sayid Jarrah for his slew of crimes and hypocrisy; and John Locke for murder, the torturing of Miles Straume and manipulating Sawyer into committing murder.

By the way, what kind of lame ass trial was that? The showrunners had allowed the defense attorney to present his case before the prosecutor. Since when did that ever happen in other fictional works, let alone in real life? I get that the prosecutor didn’t have the evidence to convict Kate for murder, due to Diane's refusal to testify. But shouldn't Kate had faced a trial for the New Mexico bank robbery? This is the episode that introduced the crime Kate had committed against Aaron Littleton and his family - pretending to be his mother and keeping him from them for nearly three years.

It's a miracle that I love this show. Because this episode made me realize how truly disgusting many of the characters could be.

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freewilllife · 7 days ago

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when I was like a teenager, I would get annoyed when my friend cried to me about her shit boyfriend every week and then refused to dump him. Then I grew up a bit and realised like this man had ingratiated himself into her family with a sob story and was living with them while she was in high school (!), he cheated on her and gave her an STI, and he dumped her the week before her final exams so she would do badly and not have the ability to move away from him for uni. What exactly was she supposed to do, and why was I lashing out at her for annoying me with her problems, rather than being supportive?

Abusive men thrive on making women feel small and like they don’t deserve better. Abuse damages your cognitive capacity (not to mention the impact of traumatic brain injury from repeated physical violence, which is under-diagnosed). Traumatised people can’t always react the way we want them to, and ‘losing respect’ for someone who is struggling is just… like fuck off. Grow up.

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freewilllife · 7 days ago

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no one else is posting these so heres some links to support afghan women and girls:

donate to malala fund afghanistan initiative

donate to women for women international

this petition only has 80 out of 5000 signatures

this petition from 2021 still hasnt reached the 500k mark

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freewilllife · 7 days ago

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freewilllife · 7 days ago

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Yona and Hak definitely loved him very much. He loved them very much too and he drastically underestimated the value they held in his heart, but I believe to Su-won the time he spent with Yona and Hak was like a beautiful dream. I mean in the sense that it was probably painful for him to feel too much for them when he knew that when he had to go back to his reality where there was no place for these feelings.

Soo Won has the gift, that he can partly push certain feelings down or concentrate on things, that are necessary. The boxes did mostly "protect" him to feel too much pain early on.

It did seem that he still made the most of those times, if he took care of Gulfan with Hak, met Yona ect...People have the tendency to push a certain occurence away, if it is still far in the future. Though the nearer the day, he certainly would have felt pain.

So I would say, spending time together was not a dream, yet actually "living Hak´s dream and keeping them" definitely was.

This has always been the most unclear part about it. Did Hiyoori kill Kashi wihout Yu-hon's knowledge? Is it because Yona determined him to be the killer? This has been the biggest hole in the writing - for such a huge issue, the very start of this tragedy why did Kusa not write proof? Why did she leave it ambiguous?

I would have believed to become a surprise, that it was more an accident than a true intention. Or maybe, we should take Yu hon´s words as a definite thing, that he ordered to kill Kashi? But you also have the impression, that it is still not quite clear, right?

Yona reads the diary and then from somewhere comes to the conclusion that Hiyoori killed her mother because Hiyoori once tried to kill her. I would assume logically that the reason why Hiyoori tried to kill her would be because her father killed Yu-hon first, but seemingly there is no proof anywhere that Yu-hon killed Kashi.

Yeah...if we factor in, that Hiyoori actually does act without the consent of the person he protects...like in Soo Won´s case, who has definitely not ordered him to do kill Yona...

I also remember, that Soo Won seemed to know immediately, who the culprit was, when Yona ran to him. If something had happened previously, it would make sense.

If Soo Won knows, that his father did not order Kashi to be killed, it would be even more horrible.

So I do assume that Su-won felt more of an automatic reliance on his father than his mother. This is not to say Su-won did not emotionally rely on his mother at all, because he does associate warmth he received from Yona once to his mother.

Emotionally, yes it is quite normal for a male child to hero worship his father. But Soo Won seemed to be distant to both.

Like you said to him his father was like a hero, and although he was away most of the time, the moments during which he was present obviously held a huge meaning. I suppose I am talking about that feeling like you know the spine of the family. The feeling that nothing could go wrong with their family when his father was around.

Ah, you mean he lost his feeling of security...There is another expression, but currently I don´t know it anymore, but I guess, I understand now better, what you mean.

My thought behind that scene was he was atleast 7 parts furious. When Yona says - I understand why Yu-hon could not become king. Could it be possible for him not to be furious? - Yu-hon spent his whole life guarding Kouka, ensuring peace and prosperity for the people while training to be king, but the instant his idiot brother gave birth to a reincarnation of Hiryuu he was literally just shoved aside. Yu-hon did not become king for the pure reason that Yona was born and if that same brat came sprouting nonsense. I'd be darkly furious too.

I agree, he was hardly as furious elsewhere in the whole manga. Soo Won is so rarely visibly upset to that degree, he felt surely very strongly.

Yes, he was upset, but I had also the impression that Yona hurt him gravely. The darkness that engulfed him in that moment. Kusanagi used a very strong expression...

If Soo Won was still 100 % sure, that his father was the perfect king...why did he crack here? He was completely calm, when Yona accused Yu hon of cruelty.

But he was visibly upset to a high degree, when Yona mentioned that she knew, why he could not become king. And after this Soo Won has the impression, that he cannot move anymore.

Directly after this, Soo Won has to think of King Il, when he told him, that Yona is the reincarnation.

This was the reason, his father was killed. Soo Won knows this, because Keishuk told them about the conversation between King Il and Yu hon. Soo Won would have not forgotten this.

And then he asked Yona about the beacon...

For me, I got the impression, that Kusanagi wanted to express that Soo Won doubted...Before he had been so sure, that the gods were not relevant. And now this. The chapter is also called "influence".

So yes, I do believe, that Soo Won had doubts regarding Yu hon, because it would fit, regarding the chapter and the further developments.

Other than Yona and Hak. (I am assuming we are talking about familial love.) We know he cared about them very much, but he was out of their picture most of the time and we know all of it was not by his choice.

Soo Won is a pretty likeable person and he did have connections with other people, he had established previously, like Ogi. But still, he has never trusted him enough to tell him, what Ogi has known for a long time. That Won, was King Soo Won.

Additionally, apart from family, he could have mingled with other nobles or even tried to find romantic love. But "romantic love" has never been in his vocabulary. He would have married, because he had to...

Partly he tried to "become friends with Lily", because she found him with Ogi and he liked - after a while - spending time with her. Their relationship would be great food for a romance novel, where both were unaware of the relevance in the others life.

It is not, that Soo Won would have not found people. He has good social abilities, but he does not want to get nearer to people. Most of his relationships are superficial. He does not allow for more.

I have always had this impression that Su-won has tried connecting with people he wanted affection from, but failed.

You are correct, regarding his family. Yet, he got closer to Yona and Hak to such a degree, that their relationship persisted, even after all three tried to forget about it.

That means...Soo Won does have the ability, and the wish, yet does not want it, as it would make him most likely more vulnerable and "weaker"...His work as a king might be in jeapardy ...according to him.

There is also a comic strip about Su-won, Hak and Mundeok. Hak hits Mundeok and gets scolded and pummelled by his grandfather. Su-won wants to be part of this interaction as well and imitates Hak and hits Mundeok as well, but the moment Mundeok sees its Su-won he just pats his head and we see small Su-won kicking a rock disappointedly. It seems just like a funny strip and maybe I am reading too much into it, but to me it seemed like he was quite disappointed that he did not receive the same level of affection Hak did.

Indeed, child Soo Won would be a different matter. Soo Won craved affection, but his parents hardly gave it, his uncle was cruel to him without reason.

Then he found Yona and Hak...

Su-won's Character Development Chart Part I

I am doing this as a personal exercise to prove that Su-won has a lacking character development problem.

Another thing to note, Su-won accurately pin-points the looming poverty crisis, lack of trade & realizes Chishin can't simply rely on its dwindling mineral resources, has obviously done some research on the trends in Kai to tell Yun-ho to serve her tea to the visiting Kai merchants. - Hmm...that's an awful lot of insight for a guy who has a poor point of view.

Something interesting about this arc which might be less obvious is the moment when Hak sees Su-won for the first time since the coup.

When Yona sees Su-won for the first time, she is frozen, drowning in her thoughts and isn't able to make a decision before Su-won stops her. In a similar manner, when Hak sees Su-won, Su-won isn't able to make a decision until Jae-ha stops Hak.

I have always felt the Sei arc is the most emotionally complicated arc written by Kusa in AnY. We see many characters forced to face the feelings they have locked away. Hak, Yona, Su-won, Ju-doh, Ki-ja, even Mun-deok.

Also since the story is mostly about Yona I don't think many people actually realize how much Su-won has grown into his role as king. How much will, effort & reason it takes to stop oneself from getting drunk on the victories, the power.

It cannot be denied. Su-won had a violent, oppressive start. It was necessary at that time, but what many don't realize is how easy it is to continue on that lane especially when it comes to power, but Su-won grabbed every opportunity possible to change lanes.

Also we end up contemplating what determines right? Ki-ja says Hiryuu is the rightful owner of the country. Does that mean if roles were to flip and Yona was not a reincarnation of Hiryuu no matter what she did for the people and the country do not matter? or Is he referring to her right as the daughter of the former king?

Second thing about this arc is when Hak & Su-won work together. We are shown Yona's thoughts asking herself how they turned out like this. I believe it is possible that it was not only Yona asking herself that. We all know how well our author loves to play with parallels.

The third interesting thing about this arc is we are given a small insight into Mun-deok's complicated feelings towards Su-won too.

I think time has given him an opportunity to make peace with the Su-won's ascension to King. Despite his mixed feelings he was even expecting Su-won to get married and have an heir

So to summarize part one -

Kills IL - chases Yona Hak out of the castle - suppresses wind tribe - Becomes King - Hides Yona - Improves earth tribe economy- gains the respect of Geuntae - stops fire tribe rebellion - teaches kyo-ga how to rule and trusts him as the next head (cause its very easy to trust the son of the man who started a rebellion to not stab you in the back.) - investigates nadai - motivates Lili to stand up for her tribe - thwarts a south kai fleet - gains Joon-gi's support - reclaims lost territory (there was a slight mishap with Kin province) - thwarts a future Sei invasion - starts facing his feelings towards Hak and Yona.

Nope, no growth at all.

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freewilllife · 7 days ago

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Well I can certainly see why you think like that. But that’s not how I interpreted the writing. I don’t think it is an either/or situation,

I am sorry to say, but this is a fact. Mu Qing and Feng Xin were his servants. It was not even in the slightest an equal relationship. They knew it and he knew. They followed his orders and he did not need to listen to them.

I remember XL saying a couple of times that he saw MQ and FX as friends before they separated/ before they were on the run as well. (whenever I reread the books again I’ll definitely get back to you).

It does not matter, how Xie Lian wanted to perceive this relationship. There were not his friends, as their lives, believes and wishes did not count as much, as his wish, life and beliefs.

Friendship can only exist between equals.

Basically what I’m trying to say is, Yes, XL did see them friends but his perspective was skewed from a privileged viewpoint. Something he learns over the course of time (as I mentioned in the post). But knowing his character I don’t think he ever looked down on either pair / thought of them as lesser to himself.

He surely did perceive them as less important than himself, before they split apart. Additionally, he hardly knew them, as we can see, when he met them again. He basically didn´t even recognize Mu Qing and was astonished, how they behaved.

I think you misunderstood me/ it’s highly possible I isn’t explain rightly. I don’t think either should have stayed. I think there was no wrong or right. I just had a problem with the idea that the original post used the word had “every right.” I think that makes it sound very transactional. I don’t think XL held it against them either

Well, I would it as transactional, as they were his servants. They didn´t just stay, because they liked him, but because it was their duty. This stopped after the split, their duty ended and the relationship grew into something more equal.

It was the right choice for both of them in every case to split from Xie Lian and become gods themselves. Xie Lian needed 800 years to become a god again. Both Mu Qing and Feng Xin would have been dead by then and additionally, it would be a waste of their talent.

What I think XL held agaisnt MQ (in those few days only not beyond that) was when MQ sided with the other gods.

Look, if Xie Lian had really perceived Mu Qing as equal, he would have put himself at least one time in his shoes. Mu Qing now worked under another god and had only just started to get a little along with the others.

And Xie Lian basically wishes that Mu Qing should risked his own position and his own chance of becoming a god for Xie Lian´s sake. Not to say, that Mu Qing also cared for his mother.

There would have been surely other ways for Xie Lian to become a god and Xie Lian´s pride is not more worth than Mu Qing´s livelihood.

Sorry for the long reply!

Not at all, it was nice, getting a reply, where you explained yourself, even though our opinions differ.

Ok so someone sent me this post. And like what?!

Like how do I explain that this is not what friendships are or how they work. While yes they had every right to leave (actually FX didn’t leave, XL literally told him to leave).

I’d agree to this if they said MQ and FX had every right to leave but XL has every right to feel betrayed.

But it was such a horrible time for all of them so afterwards (years later) even XL understood it was just awful circumstances so he never held it against MQ. AND THAT IS THE POINT.

THESE THINGS DONT HAPPEN IN A VACCUM.

I don’t think FX would have left unless XL forced him to. But he needed that to see a different perspective outside XL. Likewise (the in case of XL he too realized he’d been very selfish as well)

So if someone says XL was right or FX was right or MQ was right… neither of them was. There is no wrong or right. There is no saying one was more justified than other…

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