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Draco absolutely was an elitist bully in school, but at the end of the day, he was still a child/teenager who was very much a product of his elitist bully of a father Lucius Malfoy. I don’t think he was just born a bad seed with no potential for goodness inside him like Tom Riddle. It doesn’t excuse his bullying of Harry, Hermionie, Ron, Neville, and other kids not in his house or not born of pure-blood wizards. It does explain why he was such a brat as a child and teenager, though, and the fact that he’s horrified by the idea of having to murder his headmaster, even if he’s told it’s supposed to be for “the greater good,” is a moral strength. Draco was very much a brat as kid, but it came more from a desire to be validated by others through fitting in with the adults who raised him, rather than a truly malicious heart at his core.

I also imagine that once the series ended he and the rest of his surviving family learned from their mistakes and grew more accepting. The fact that both Harry’s and Draco’s sons both got sorted in to Slytherin, became best friends, and still ultimately received both of their parents full love and support in the sequels proves that the house of Slytherin didn’t remain the bad house it once was when they attended it as kids.

FYI Draco not wanting to kill Dumbledore isn’t cowardice, it’s him having a genuine moral conscience and an instinctive aversion to taking a life, which is way more than can be said about a good many characters in Harry Potter, including his own parents and aunt, none of whom have any moral issues with doing a fascist psycho’s dirty work (nor does Snape, honestly; remember Snape only left the Death Eaters because of Lily, not because of any realization that it’s wrong to commit genocide). Plus Draco’s wand, the wand that CHOSE him, is unicorn core, which is canonically the most difficult to turn to the Dark Arts; that kind of wand would never choose someone who is inherently evil. I’m baffled by people who say Draco’s hesitance in killing Dumbledore is somehow another addition to his admittedly long list of flaws; I guess I didn’t realize that discovering you don’t want to commit murder is a bad thing that should be condemned. Haters say that fans invented Draco’s potential for redemption and he actually has no good in him whatsoever, but those haters clearly have not truly read the text.

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I mean, even as a kid watching the film, after his initial introduction, I didn’t really see Cobra Bubbles as a villain of the movie. That would have primarily been Gantu. Cobra Bubbles was just doing his job. He didn’t want to have to separate Lilo from her older sister, who he could see obviously loved her and wanted to keep her.

Nani was just barely a legal adult herself at 18 years old. Cobra saw that she was struggling to hold down a job to support Lilo and herself. He walked in on her six-year old sister left home alone with a burning stove turned on and a drawing on the fridge about being all alone at home right as Nani was walking in from work/job hunting at the same time. He could see that there was love between the two sisters, but Cobra Bubbles definitely was given reason to be concerned about Nani’s ability to raise her sister, too.

I just watched Lilo and Stitch, and my favorite thing about it is they just straight adopted Cobra Bubbles. Like this man has been a pain for them and is the reason Lilo is almost taken, and he just becomes an honorary uncle.

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I like Luke’s character, and I do feel a lot of sympathy for him. He obviously does love his siblings, but he was a chronic drug addict who wasn’t trying to use the opportunities to get better given to him by his siblings. Instead, he abused their trust by stealing money from them multiple times to fuel his drug addiction, and kept relapsing. He is suffering from a chronic drug addiction and depression, which explains why he has this pattern of behavior as an adult. It’s not just his fault he ended up becoming who he was. Addiction is a mental illness.

However, when help and treatment is offered to those suffering with addiction multiple times by loved ones, expect you to enable their addiction, they keep burning your trust, and/or don’t put in an effort to do better, it is better to put the addict in your life at a distance. If you enable their addiction and continue to let them burn you, you’ll both end up hurting. As someone who also comes from a family with a history of substance abuse, Luke’s character is an accurate and sympathetic portrayal of a chronic drug addict, but it’s also totally understandable why Steven, Shirley, and Theo have grown distrusting and tired of supporting their little brother.

It doesn’t mean they stopped caring about him. Steven actually offered him a blanket and some money when he saw Luke almost break into his apartment looking for some cash and warmth. Shirley spent money to send Luke to rehab for treatment multiple times, but he kept relapsing. Unconditional love does not mean unconditional support, though. You can’t keep trying to emotionally and financially support someone who continually abuses and/or wastes that support.

Nell was being an enabler.

rant about hill house fandom during my annual rewatch

getting mad all over again that people still act like shirley was a bad person for sending her brother (who was high on heroin) away from his sister's wedding after they established over and over again that he has stolen from them, lied to them, and wasted tens of thousands of dollars on rehab that he repeatedly ran away from and relapsed, and that every event he shows up to becomes about his failed recovery and his ongoing addiction and she doesnt want him to ruin nell's wedding day because nell would make it about luke because she loves him so much and she deserves one day about her and not about luke.

like. i experienced happy family events ruined by my alcoholic family members because people insisted they should be there, where the family member insisting they come is just an enabler who forgives too much and continuously lets these family members ruin every happy event. they are diseased, but i refuse to pretend like they have 0 agency. i love these people. i will always love them, and we supported them through numerous rehabilitation attempts.

good god its insane what being an attractive white guy with sad eyes will get you.

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Yeah, even before the supernatural forces of the house got to Olivia’s head, upon rewatch I definitely see her as a mother with narcissistic tendencies. I don’t think she would have become a malignant narcissist without the house’s influence, though. I don’t think that means she would have ever even considered harming them or murdering them if Poppy hadn’t fucked with her head in the house, but Olivia definitely had this side of her personality that preferred for her children to stay perpetually dependent upon her, helpless, innocent, and young forever, even before Poppy started messing with her head in the house. She saw her kids more as extensions of herself.

i dont know if you've seen it but your evelyn kind of reminds me of olivia crain from the haunting of hill house tv series. like the sensitivity to the supernatural, wandering the house in dressings gowns like a gothic horror heroine, the intense migraines and being a loving mama bear but spiralling into to being neurotically protective of her kids and paranoid of the world hurting them.

I have never seen the Haunting series on Netflix because I'm a wimpy wimp wimp who recoils at any visual medium of horror but I watched some fanvids just now and yeeeessssssssss. I am massively in love with Carla Gugino so you know. I'll take that.

I have to admit, I am very partial to waifish insane woman, for all its problematic tendencies. Like there's a quote in the asoiaf series (fuck me if I can find it) about how all the mums in that series are just on another level of mother bear tendencies, like having children can like literally change your brain chemistry and how mothers are a bit mad as a result. I don't want to buy into that too much because it goes down weird biological determinism routes so for me it's more: she wanted this and it made her that way versus this happened to her and it made her that way. If that makes sense.

I do write her with some inspirations from Cersei - a bit less malicious maybe but someone who isn't as smart as she thinks she is and who very much does love her kids but like also in such an inhibiting and destructive manner, and where she will say until the cows come home that she puts her kids first, and sometimes she will, but then there are times where her own ambition trumps the kid's wellbeing and it's like welp. Tough tittties kiddos. Like encouraging all the wrong traits.

I've gone off topic. Ahem. Thank you for you the ask!!!!

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Yeah, Betelgeuse is a villain, but he definitely played the role of more of an anti-villain/tragic villain in “Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice” than he did in the first film where he was the biggest threat to the other characters.

He was still a hilariously awful, crude, greedy, and manipulative bastard who got what was coming to him in the end, but his ex-wife Delores and Jeremy Frazier were far worse than him because they were pretty much pure evil without standards. Betelgeuse is still an awful man, but even he draws the line at murdering people he cares about in cold blood for shits and giggles and/or tricking the living into sacrificing their lives by pretending to have genuine feelings for them until they’re no longer of use to his personal gain.

He genuinely loved Delores because she made him believe she genuinely loved him until he realized that she had been leading him on the whole time on their wedding night when she killed him by poisoning him with spiked wine to try to suck out his soul to gain immortality. When you first see Delores stitching her body parts back together in the underworld, it seems like she was murdered in an exceedingly inhumane manner. Betelgeuse murdered her by cutting up her body into little pieces and separated her body parts into several little bags sealed up tightly.

Then, after Delores stitches herself back together, we see her start sucking out souls in the underworld of anyone who gets in her way of trying to find Betelgeuse, and we hear Betelgeuse’s story of why he killed her in that manner on their wedding night, it makes a lot more sense. If he’d just killed her quickly and left her body whole, she’d be sucking out the souls of him and everyone else in the underworld who got in her way. By killing her in the brutal manner that he did and stripping her of freedom to live in the underworld, he was actually protecting himself and the other undead from her wrath. That’s why even he draws the line at leading people on with false feelings for his personal gain. Oh, he’s perfectly okay with coercing Lydia to sign a contract agreeing to marry him in exchange for his help to save her daughter’s life because he knows she’s in a desperate situation, lacking in alternative options and time to get to the underworld to save her daughter’s life before it’s too late, and he knows that she will be willing to sacrifice herself to protect and/or rescue the people she cares about. He’s perfectly fine with having and keeping a Lydia who doesn’t truly love him. Betelgeuse knows Lydia’s not the dishonest, evil, or vengeful type, though.

If those two forced weddings hadn’t been stopped in time, and Betelgeuse had gotten his way, Lydia would still constantly be annoyed and grossed out by him, but she still would never use his feelings for her against him for evil personal gain. Because Betelgeuse actually does have feelings for her, and he doesn’t want to be a part of the underworld himself, he wouldn’t force Lydia to give up her life to be with him. He’d likely even bring Astrid and Delia into the picture to try to make Lydia feel more comfortable with him. He’d still be forcing them all to be together as a family with him against their wills, but he wouldn’t be interested in killing them for personal gain either.

just watched beetlejuice beetlejuice at the theaters, and can I just say, I loved it! it definitely didn’t disappoint and was a zany adventure, just like the first one.

and it kinda added layers to betelgeuse in a way. because spoilers I definitely thought they would go the same route for astrid and jeremy, the same way they did for lydia and betelgeuse in that what jeremy wanted was for astrid to marry him so that he could get out. instead it was a more sinister method, and it makes me wonder why betelgeuse never tried it. it can’t be because he doesn’t know about it, because he’s the type of ghost to read the handbook backwards and forwards just so he can find every loophole to exploit. like my head keeps going in circles. especially for the first movie where lydia had initially wanted ‘in’ while he wanted ‘out’, the switcheroo method that jeremy tried with astrid would’ve been perfect then. even in this movie where he already has experience of lydia backing out of their deal, he could have had lydia promise to exchange her soul for his. with how much she wanted to save astrid, I’m sure lydia would have agreed. instead, he just wanted to remarry her. it’s interesting because it means betelgeuse, as putrid, crass, disgusting, and opportunistic as he is, actually seems like he has lines he won’t cross.

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I can see why a lot of people making valid arguments about why they think Rumple is an INTJ after he becomes the Dark One. He, Belle (INFP), and every other remaining main character on the show were also subjected to a lot of nonsensically character assassinating bad writing in the series after the first three-ish seasons for contrived soap opera drama and redundant storytelling when A&E ran out of ideas and picked favorites, which didn’t help.

He also is a puppet-master character who does a lot of manipulating throughout the series, which I can understand could look like Te (extroverted thinking) dominant/auxiliary function. However, I really think he just manipulates the feelings of others with unhealthy Fe aux, and gets stuck in an Ni-Ti loop and Se-inferior grip on-and-off-again, particularly between 3B-6A. His feelings for Belle and Bae are genuine. While he displays unhealthy attitudes, behaviors, and choices in his relationships with them at times (most of which were OOC between S4-S6, in my opinion) when he’s in a relationship with these people he genuinely loves, he’s actually quite doting, emotional, loving, and romantic.

Also, his sense of logic seems more Ti-based than Te-based, to me. Belle calls him out for lying to her after he uses a wraith to try to kill Regina for revenge after she tells him to promise her not to kill the Evil Queen. His response is that he never technically lied because he used a wraith. He doesn’t expect for people to see through the loopholes and clauses in his deals when he catches them at their most desperate. He tends to keep his motives to himself. His motives are primarily centered around family and security.

It seems more like Ti-type logic than Te-type logic.

mbti + ouat characters ↳ Rumplestiltskin - INFJ; “INFJs are guided by a deeply considered set of personal values. They are intensely idealistic, and can clearly imagine a happier and more perfect future. They can become discouraged by the harsh realities of the present, but they are typically motivated and persistent in taking positive action nonetheless. The INFJ feels an intrinsic drive to do what they can to make the world a better place.” (x)

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Yes, thank you for pointing out that the old Jedi Order was an abusive cult-like institution because it absolutely was. Even if I had never seen the prequels or read any of the other SW lore, I got sketchy vibes from Obi-Wan and Yoda just from the original movies alone. Sure, technically, we’re not seeing them treat Luke as badly as Vader and Palpatine, but that still doesn’t somehow invalidate the fact that they were definitely flawed. Their main reason for recruiting Luke to be a Jedi in the first place is to use this innocent young man as a weapon to help clean up a mess they both admit to having helped create with Darth Vader and the Empire nearly two decades before he was born .

They were never planning on telling Luke that Vader was his estranged biological father because they didn’t want him to realize his familial attachment to him, and kill him.

They told Luke to just allow for his friends lives to be endangered when they got kidnapped and tortured by Vader and Palpatine, and when Luke openly disagreed with them, they left him to his own defenses right after bringing him on as a recruit. This was when Luke was just starting his training with the force and lightsabers with Obi-Wan and Yoda, and they think it’s perfectly okay to let him risk his life because he wants to save his friends in imminent danger.

In A New Hope, Obi-Wan provokes Vader to kill him in front of Luke when he’s watching, so that he can motivate this young man to fight for him. This is in the very first movie of the franchise! When Luke calls out Obi-Wan by asking him why he never told him that Darth Vader was his father, Obi-Wan denies any personal responsibility of wrongdoing on his part and never apologizes. Instead, he gaslights him by saying “What I told you was true…from a certain point of view.”

So it really doesn’t shock me that Anakin Skywalker and the other Jedi of his time got put through far worse emotional/psychological abuse, neglect, and endangerment than Luke when they were in power. If Luke hadn’t had 18 years of a healthy, loving, normal, nurturing, and safe upbringing under Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru before becoming a Jedi, he absolutely would have been screwed.

A lot of people still seem to believe that abuse can only be abuse when it leaves physical marks and threats of danger to victims. Additionally, a lot of people still seem to believe that pointing out how someone or something may be behaving abusively also must mean we’re saying that they’re intentionally malicious evil monsters who can never change. Yes, it is true that it is often very difficult for adults who grow up to become abusers to change for the better, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible either. Nor does it mean that the abuser is perpetuating the abuse with evil intention or enjoyment against the victim. That’s one of the reasons why it’s such a hard cycle for many adults who grow up to be that way to break the cycle. They were often taught to justify and/or tolerate abuse themselves from the adults who raised them. A lot of them do get taught that the abuse they’re perpetrating is for “protection,” but really it’s about fear of losing control and being vulnerable. It’s often maladaptive coping to try to hold onto control and security of self and/or loved ones to the point of sacrificing moral integrity and vulnerability in relationships out of fearing the unknown. The only way to really grow to have healthy relationships is to take the risk of being vulnerable by letting go of control. That’s what happened with Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, and the old Jedi Order. They tried to hold on too tightly to control out of fearing the loss of security too much.

every conversation that discusses anakin and his actions needs to be caveated with the fact that he was a slave for the first nine years of his life, because it’s a key facet of his character and experiencing that sort of severe trauma at a young age will shape your judgment and worldview well into adulthood. traumatic stress will literally alter your brain chemistry, restructuring the parts that deal with emotions, decision-making, social behavior and memory.

the most important developmental years for children are between the ages of one and three, and both witnessing and experiencing abuse at that age will cause severe long-term damage. what happens during those years will affect you for the rest of your life— and anakin didn't stand a chance, no matter how hard his mother tried.

as a result, anakin almost certainly has c-ptsd (complex post-traumatic stress disorder), along with regular ptsd and a host of other mental health issues that i won't get into here. c-ptsd is is a form of ptsd that stems from chronic trauma— trauma that continues over the course of months or years, typically in childhood. the primary difference between ptsd and c-ptsd is the length of the traumatic event— for example, a week versus nine years.

symptoms of c-ptsd include anxiety, nightmares, flashbacks, hypervigilance, suicidal ideation, self-harming behaviors, a distorted sense of self, an inability to regulate emotions, heightened emotional responses, depression, low self-esteem and trouble with interpersonal relationships. anakin demonstrates many of these symptoms.

it should be mentioned that c-ptsd is treatable, primarily by cognitive behavioral therapy with a professional who focuses specially on trauma. other treatments include exposure therapy, cognitive therapy and cognitive processing therapy. additionally medications can be prescribed to treat specific symptoms, such as depression, anxiety and sleep. anakin got none of this.

there's little argument to be had on how badly the jedi fucked up— they took an extremely traumatized child away from his mother, told him to forget about her, and then instructed him to suppress any of the negative emotions that would unavoidably stem from this. not only did they leave anakin's trauma unaddressed and untreated, they also continued the cycle of abuse with their treatment of him, whether they meant to or not.

anakin is not a well-adjusted individual— he is a severely traumatized person who, with no therapy or support, went straight from being enslaved to becoming a member of a dogmatic religious organization whose core tenets rely upon emotional regulation and suppression. i’m not trying to downplay his actions, but it’s also important to recognize how his trauma informed his decisions when discussing why he says and does the things that he does.

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I still stand by this OUAT. The writing and storytelling of canon OUAT ultimately served as great inspiration for fans to tell better stories of what could have been, rather than the garbage that the show became.

The Big Problems With OUAT’s Writing:

My favorite characters were Rumple, Belle, Emma, and Nealfire. Once Nealfire got killed off though, their characterizations and their relationships, as well as everyone else’s thereafter, went to total shit in canon. Adam and Eddy obviously couldn’t come up with any more than two-and-a-half seasons of organic or satisfying character growth for the original main cast, and it should have ended in 3x11, in my opinion. I’m pretty sure that Damon Lindlelof helped them out with the writing a lot for the first two-and-a-half seasons, which is why the story is at least coherent enough to be enjoyable up to 3x11.

But after 3A, Lindlelof’s plans for the show were butchered, Kitsowitz completely took over the show with Captain Fuckboy, PLOT, and making money their main focuses, so they kept it on air for the next four-and-a-half seasons not knowing what else to do now that they had run out of new story. Thus, it got to the point where it essentially devolved into such badly written crack!fic soap opera on screen by the end of 5A where the writing for everyone’s characterization had become so unbelievably OOC, annoyingly self-contradictory, changeable, hypocritical, illogical, melodramatically problematic, and toxic in favor of the PLOT that I had to quit to preserve my sanity.

I enjoyed reading Rumbelle fanfic moreso than the actual show because it made sense and felt more satisfying, well-written, in-character, and entertaining than the nonsensical toxic garbage the show had devolved into.

After 5A, Eddy Kitsis said in an interview that he thought “good storytelling” was making sure the audience goes “WTF? This makes absolutely no sense! This isn’t fair! This totally contradicts everything that I was shown before, and feels too stupid, too contrived, and too OOC to even believe possible.”

It wasn’t worth getting emotionally or mentally invested in this show or any of the remaining characters as written in canon anymore post 3A because A&E and these writers formula kept becoming more and more of “We’re doing our jobs if we can trick our audience after deliberately teasing them by dangling the carrot of organic growth of character that we’re too lazy to follow through on by yanking it away from them as soon as they start making logical predictions abruptly, cruelly and inorganically with constant twist of ’HOLY SHIT, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED?”

When Eddy basically said that at the end of 5A, I realized I was done with having any hope for this show, and I decided to finally quit watching after 5B because I knew every time something started to seem to make sense and go in a direction of organic growth for the characters, A&E and these writers would deliberately pull the rug out from under them and their audience for trying to get invested in them with some inorganic contrivance that ruined everything in an unfair way that made no sense and never would make any sense in canon from what we were led to believe would happen beforehand on this show by them because that was the whole point: A&E and these writers so often didn’t want you to make sense of their show because they were lazy hacks who didn’t know how to write a cohesive plot or organic character growth/realistic characterization after 3A.

They admitted that they liked whiplashing their audience for using common sense and logic in regards to fans whenever the story and the characters would seem to be potentially headed in a way that would make sense. They considered that “genuis” storytelling with their overinflated egos, rather than just very cruel, mean, lazy, and low bad writing that ultimately destroyed most of their main characters’ credibility and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their canon show that the creators/writers refused to let unfold organically in a way that made consistent sense long term.

Instead, they used a constant series of contrived magical macguffins and twists of “WTF just happened? This makes no damned sense from what was just previously established on screen, and does not at all relate to it! This is unbelievably absurd! The characters would never do or say this shit in real life!”

It destroyed the credibility of most of their characters’ in canon and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their show, and it was insulting, especially when you had showrunners like Eddy Kitsis admitting to the fans “As always with this show, once the audience gets onto what we’re doing, we have to change it.”

When they said “We hope things will be ‘fun’” for the character assassinating, wildly OOC, nonsensical, and melodramatic garbage writing of 6A for Rumbelle with the Morfetus bs twist or in 5A of the Dark Swan arc, they didn’t mean that we would necessarily be legitimately entertained as an audience when they threw in a character destroying inorganic magical contrivance or bizarre twist out of nowhere that forced the characters into weird directions that made no sense from what had been previously established.

Adam and Eddy meant that they would be having fun pissing those of us in their audience off by insulting our intelligence and common sense by constantly giving us inorganic contrivance of OOC characterizations, magical macguffins, and bizarre PLOT twists and contrivances that didn’t consistently, logically, and thus satisfyingly add up with what had been previously established, rather than entertaining us with organic character growth that made satisfactory sense by letting our predictions for characters come true in their sheer laziness to slow down and write organic character development.

There were even hints of this problem before 3B-S7 that I was seeing potential for in 2B. OUAT could have gone strong for longer than two to three ish seasons if A&E and these writers had slowed down from 2B, not gotten obsessed with Hook, not gone to Neverland, and not gotten so obsessed with the next big, bizarre, and contrived magical PLOT twist or macguffin that, oftentimes inorganically forced their characters to 180 regress in ways that made no sense for moments of “HOLY SHIT! WTF JUST HAPPENED?”

I have no problem with characters regressing when it’s done organically, slowly, relatably, and realistically. The problem with OUAT was that they used inorganic contrivances to push them back-and-forth between increasingly bizarre extremes that made no sense, rather than focusing on human or realistic motivations to get them from point A to point C organically. It felt fake, and it felt forced. I know it was fiction, but it felt like lazily badly written fiction when the characters swung back-and-forth by the writers playing God with them on the strings of their asinine PLOT twists inorganically.

It had gotten beyond exhausting trying to invest in a show run by petty hacks who were never going to allow their audience’s common sense and intelligence lead them through an organic path of growth for these characters with the writers dangling the carrot in front of them for a story that actually could make sense, and then abruptly, cruelly, and inorganically yanking it away from them with an absurd twist because they were too lazy to come up with any more ideas for organic character growth after 3A.

Let’s talk about Hook and CS becoming such a main focus on this show, and the romantic male lead/couple.” It’s not that Hook couldn’t have been organically developed into a sympathetic character worthy of redemption in his own right. A&E couldn’t write that, though. He also didn’t fit together with the ensemble main cast in the place of Nealfire as Emma’s main love interest. He and Emma had absolutely no chemistry. Hook’s sudden interest in her was bizarre and creepy.

Then, they killed off Nealfire through absurd means for Hook to take his place in the picture where he didn’t fit in the family circle, so they could have CS. They broke their own rules to bring Rumple back from the dead to turn him into the wildly OOC on-and-off-again “big bad” scapegoat cartoonish villain PLOT twister “foil” to Hook, even after having been given two-and-a-half seasons of the most well-written and well-earned sympathetic reforming anti-villain/tragic hero backstory and redemption arc from S1-3A. They destroyed Emma’s, Belle’s, Snow’s, David’s, and even Henry’s original sympathetic characterizations by obliterating their self-respect, intelligence, self-awareness, and moral integrity, so that they could inorganically force this bullshit narrative of Hook/CS being the “best hero” ever in a world of now meaningless, shallow, and simplistic black versus white hypocritical morality that Nealfire and the common goal of family balanced out with a sense of realism, common sense, organic growth and emotional depth that got lost with his death in favor of contradictory character destroying magical PLOT-twist driven Drama™️ soap opera “hero versus villain” fuckery and Hook/CS.

No wonder they lost more and more viewers as every season passed…Getting emotionally invested was no fun when the writers deliberately pulled the rug out from underneath your favorite characters whenever things started to seem making sense by totally ruining it with some bizarre magical contrivance or characterization that doesn’t add up to what we were shown before, and your logical predictions for stories that made organic and consistent sense for character growth were mocked by these writers because they refused to slow down and develop the characters after S1-3A. You were punished for being smart and using common sense, and that’s why most of these main characters’ credibility and integrity got completely destroyed in one way or another by this very lazy, petty and unfair bad writing technique of theirs that made them mostly feel like pod!people after just the first two-and-a-half seasons of the series.

tldr; You could only suspend your disbelief by turning off your brain to disregard the bullshit writing choices on OUAT and just blindly enjoy the show by getting invested in the characters for so long as written in canon without asking any questions before the writing became too infuriatingly repetitive, too contrived, too OOC, too character assassinating, and too stupid to believe. Also, Captain Fuckboy ruined the show after 3A, and he should have died and stayed dead back in early S2. It could have been different if A&E were good writers who could come up with organic character growth, and not shoehorned him in as Emma’s love interest in a way that ruined the whole show’s dynamic and sense of emotional depth by replacing Nealfire with him.

Nealfire’s death was the metaphorical death of the show’s canon, though. My personal headcanon was that the real show ended with “Going Home” (3x11) because that’s the last time there was any sort of compelling, consistent, organic, realistic, or relatable characterization or growth. After that, it all went to hell (literally), and I had to finally quit watching after S5 to preserve my sanity before anything got any worse, and on this show, it only would because A&E and these writers never learned.

A&E didn’t trust or respect their audience, so after awhile it felt like why should I respect their shitshow’s canon if it doesn’t make any consistent or well-developed sense, and they don’t care that it doesn’t themselves anymore either?

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The Big Problems With OUAT’s Writing:

My favorite characters were Rumple, Belle, Emma, and Nealfire. Once Nealfire got killed off though, their characterizations and their relationships, as well as everyone else’s thereafter, went to total shit in canon. Adam and Eddy obviously couldn’t come up with any more than two-and-a-half seasons of organic or satisfying character growth for the original main cast, and it should have ended in 3x11, in my opinion. I’m pretty sure that Damon Lindlelof helped them out with the writing a lot for the first two-and-a-half seasons, which is why the story is at least coherent enough to be enjoyable up to 3x11.

But after 3A, Lindlelof’s plans for the show were butchered, Kitsowitz completely took over the show with Captain Fuckboy, PLOT, and making money their main focuses, so they kept it on air for the next four-and-a-half seasons not knowing what else to do now that they had run out of new story. Thus, it got to the point where it essentially devolved into such badly written crack!fic soap opera on screen by the end of 5A where the writing for everyone’s characterization had become so unbelievably OOC, annoyingly self-contradictory, changeable, hypocritical, illogical, melodramatically problematic, and toxic in favor of the PLOT that I had to quit to preserve my sanity.

I enjoyed reading Rumbelle fanfic moreso than the actual show because it made sense and felt more satisfying, well-written, in-character, and entertaining than the nonsensical toxic garbage the show had devolved into.

After 5A, Eddy Kitsis said in an interview that he thought “good storytelling” was making sure the audience goes “WTF? This makes absolutely no sense! This isn’t fair! This totally contradicts everything that I was shown before, and feels too stupid, too contrived, and too OOC to even believe possible.”

It wasn’t worth getting emotionally or mentally invested in this show or any of the remaining characters as written in canon anymore post 3A because A&E and these writers formula kept becoming more and more of “We’re doing our jobs if we can trick our audience after deliberately teasing them by dangling the carrot of organic growth of character that we’re too lazy to follow through on by yanking it away from them as soon as they start making logical predictions abruptly, cruelly and inorganically with constant twist of ’HOLY SHIT, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED?”

When Eddy basically said that at the end of 5A, I realized I was done with having any hope for this show, and I decided to finally quit watching after 5B because I knew every time something started to seem to make sense and go in a direction of organic growth for the characters, A&E and these writers would deliberately pull the rug out from under them and their audience for trying to get invested in them with some inorganic contrivance that ruined everything in an unfair way that made no sense and never would make any sense in canon from what we were led to believe would happen beforehand on this show by them because that was the whole point: A&E and these writers so often didn’t want you to make sense of their show because they were lazy hacks who didn’t know how to write a cohesive plot or organic character growth/realistic characterization after 3A.

They admitted that they liked whiplashing their audience for using common sense and logic in regards to fans whenever the story and the characters would seem to be potentially headed in a way that would make sense. They considered that “genuis” storytelling with their overinflated egos, rather than just very cruel, mean, lazy, and low bad writing that ultimately destroyed most of their main characters’ credibility and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their canon show that the creators/writers refused to let unfold organically in a way that made consistent sense long term.

Instead, they used a constant series of contrived magical macguffins and twists of “WTF just happened? This makes no damned sense from what was just previously established on screen, and does not at all relate to it! This is unbelievably absurd! The characters would never do or say this shit in real life!”

It destroyed the credibility of most of their characters’ in canon and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their show, and it was insulting, especially when you had showrunners like Eddy Kitsis admitting to the fans “As always with this show, once the audience gets onto what we’re doing, we have to change it.”

When they said “We hope things will be ‘fun’” for the character assassinating, wildly OOC, nonsensical, and melodramatic garbage writing of 6A for Rumbelle with the Morfetus bs twist or in 5A of the Dark Swan arc, they didn’t mean that we would necessarily be legitimately entertained as an audience when they threw in a character destroying inorganic magical contrivance or bizarre twist out of nowhere that forced the characters into weird directions that made no sense from what had been previously established.

Adam and Eddy meant that they would be having fun pissing those of us in their audience off by insulting our intelligence and common sense by constantly giving us inorganic contrivance of OOC characterizations, magical macguffins, and bizarre PLOT twists and contrivances that didn’t consistently, logically, and thus satisfyingly add up with what had been previously established, rather than entertaining us with organic character growth that made satisfactory sense by letting our predictions for characters come true in their sheer laziness to slow down and write organic character development.

There were even hints of this problem before 3B-S7 that I was seeing potential for in 2B. OUAT could have gone strong for longer than two to three ish seasons if A&E and these writers had slowed down from 2B, not gotten obsessed with Hook, not gone to Neverland, and not gotten so obsessed with the next big, bizarre, and contrived magical PLOT twist or macguffin that, oftentimes inorganically forced their characters to 180 regress in ways that made no sense for moments of “HOLY SHIT! WTF JUST HAPPENED?”

I have no problem with characters regressing when it’s done organically, slowly, relatably, and realistically. The problem with OUAT was that they used inorganic contrivances to push them back-and-forth between increasingly bizarre extremes that made no sense, rather than focusing on human or realistic motivations to get them from point A to point C organically. It felt fake, and it felt forced. I know it was fiction, but it felt like lazily badly written fiction when the characters swung back-and-forth by the writers playing God with them on the strings of their asinine PLOT twists inorganically.

It had gotten beyond exhausting trying to invest in a show run by petty hacks who were never going to allow their audience’s common sense and intelligence lead them through an organic path of growth for these characters with the writers dangling the carrot in front of them for a story that actually could make sense, and then abruptly, cruelly, and inorganically yanking it away from them with an absurd twist because they were too lazy to come up with any more ideas for organic character growth after 3A.

Let’s talk about Hook and CS becoming such a main focus on this show, and the romantic male lead/couple.” It’s not that Hook couldn’t have been organically developed into a sympathetic character worthy of redemption in his own right. A&E couldn’t write that, though. He also didn’t fit together with the ensemble main cast in the place of Nealfire as Emma’s main love interest. He and Emma had absolutely no chemistry. Hook’s sudden interest in her was bizarre and creepy.

Then, they killed off Nealfire through absurd means for Hook to take his place in the picture where he didn’t fit in the family circle, so they could have CS. They broke their own rules to bring Rumple back from the dead to turn him into the wildly OOC on-and-off-again “big bad” scapegoat cartoonish villain PLOT twister “foil” to Hook, even after having been given two-and-a-half seasons of the most well-written and well-earned sympathetic reforming anti-villain/tragic hero backstory and redemption arc from S1-3A. They destroyed Emma’s, Belle’s, Snow’s, David’s, and even Henry’s original sympathetic characterizations by obliterating their self-respect, intelligence, self-awareness, and moral integrity, so that they could inorganically force this bullshit narrative of Hook/CS being the “best hero” ever in a world of now meaningless, shallow, and simplistic black versus white hypocritical morality that Nealfire and the common goal of family balanced out with a sense of realism, common sense, organic growth and emotional depth that got lost with his death in favor of contradictory character destroying magical PLOT-twist driven Drama™️ soap opera “hero versus villain” fuckery and Hook/CS.

No wonder they lost more and more viewers as every season passed…Getting emotionally invested was no fun when the writers deliberately pulled the rug out from underneath your favorite characters whenever things started to seem making sense by totally ruining it with some bizarre magical contrivance or characterization that doesn’t add up to what we were shown before, and your logical predictions for stories that made organic and consistent sense for character growth were mocked by these writers because they refused to slow down and develop the characters after S1-3A. You were punished for being smart and using common sense, and that’s why most of these main characters’ credibility and integrity got completely destroyed in one way or another by this very lazy, petty and unfair bad writing technique of theirs that made them mostly feel like pod!people after just the first two-and-a-half seasons of the series.

tldr; You could only suspend your disbelief by turning off your brain to disregard the bullshit writing choices on OUAT and just blindly enjoy the show by getting invested in the characters for so long as written in canon without asking any questions before the writing became too infuriatingly repetitive, too contrived, too OOC, too character assassinating, and too stupid to believe. Also, Captain Fuckboy ruined the show after 3A, and he should have died and stayed dead back in early S2. It could have been different if A&E were good writers who could come up with organic character growth, and not shoehorned him in as Emma’s love interest in a way that ruined the whole show’s dynamic and sense of emotional depth by replacing Nealfire with him.

Nealfire’s death was the metaphorical death of the show’s canon, though. My personal headcanon was that the real show ended with “Going Home” (3x11) because that’s the last time there was any sort of compelling, consistent, organic, realistic, or relatable characterization or growth. After that, it all went to hell (literally), and I had to finally quit watching after S5 to preserve my sanity before anything got any worse, and on this show, it only would because A&E and these writers never learned.

A&E didn’t trust or respect their audience, so after awhile it felt like why should I respect their shitshow’s canon if it doesn’t make any consistent or well-developed sense, and they don’t care that it doesn’t themselves anymore either?

[gch1995]

The Big Problems With OUAT’s Writing:

My favorite characters were Rumple, Belle, Emma, and Nealfire. Once Nealfire got killed off though, their characterizations and their relationships, as well as everyone else’s thereafter, went to total shit in canon. Adam and Eddy obviously couldn’t come up with any more than two-and-a-half seasons of organic or satisfying character growth for the original main cast, and it should have ended in 3x11, in my opinion. I’m pretty sure that Damon Lindlelof helped them out with the writing a lot for the first two-and-a-half seasons, which is why the story is at least coherent enough to be enjoyable up to 3x11.

But after 3A, Lindlelof’s plans for the show were butchered, Kitsowitz completely took over the show with Captain Fuckboy, PLOT, and making money their main focuses, so they kept it on air for the next four-and-a-half seasons not knowing what else to do now that they had run out of new story. Thus, it got to the point where it essentially devolved into such badly written crack!fic soap opera on screen by the end of 5A where the writing for everyone’s characterization had become so unbelievably OOC, annoyingly self-contradictory, changeable, hypocritical, illogical, melodramatically problematic, and toxic in favor of the PLOT that I had to quit to preserve my sanity.

I enjoyed reading Rumbelle fanfic moreso than the actual show because it made sense and felt more satisfying, well-written, in-character, and entertaining than the nonsensical toxic garbage the show had devolved into.

After 5A, Eddy Kitsis said in an interview that he thought “good storytelling” was making sure the audience goes “WTF? This makes absolutely no sense! This isn’t fair! This totally contradicts everything that I was shown before, and feels too stupid, too contrived, and too OOC to even believe possible.”

It wasn’t worth getting emotionally or mentally invested in this show or any of the remaining characters as written in canon anymore post 3A because A&E and these writers formula kept becoming more and more of “We’re doing our jobs if we can trick our audience after deliberately teasing them by dangling the carrot of organic growth of character that we’re too lazy to follow through on by yanking it away from them as soon as they start making logical predictions abruptly, cruelly and inorganically with constant twist of ’HOLY SHIT, CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT JUST HAPPENED?”

When Eddy basically said that at the end of 5A, I realized I was done with having any hope for this show, and I decided to finally quit watching after 5B because I knew every time something started to seem to make sense and go in a direction of organic growth for the characters, A&E and these writers would deliberately pull the rug out from under them and their audience for trying to get invested in them with some inorganic contrivance that ruined everything in an unfair way that made no sense and never would make any sense in canon from what we were led to believe would happen beforehand on this show by them because that was the whole point: A&E and these writers so often didn’t want you to make sense of their show because they were lazy hacks who didn’t know how to write a cohesive plot or organic character growth/realistic characterization after 3A.

They admitted that they liked whiplashing their audience for using common sense and logic in regards to fans whenever the story and the characters would seem to be potentially headed in a way that would make sense. They considered that “genuis” storytelling with their overinflated egos, rather than just very cruel, mean, lazy, and low bad writing that ultimately destroyed most of their main characters’ credibility and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their canon show that the creators/writers refused to let unfold organically in a way that made consistent sense long term.

Instead, they used a constant series of contrived magical macguffins and twists of “WTF just happened? This makes no damned sense from what was just previously established on screen, and does not at all relate to it! This is unbelievably absurd! The characters would never do or say this shit in real life!”

It destroyed the credibility of most of their characters’ in canon and their fans willingness to stay emotionally invested in their show, and it was insulting, especially when you had showrunners like Eddy Kitsis admitting to the fans “As always with this show, once the audience gets onto what we’re doing, we have to change it.”

When they said “We hope things will be ‘fun’” for the character assassinating, wildly OOC, nonsensical, and melodramatic garbage writing of 6A for Rumbelle with the Morfetus bs twist or in 5A of the Dark Swan arc, they didn’t mean that we would necessarily be legitimately entertained as an audience when they threw in a character destroying inorganic magical contrivance or bizarre twist out of nowhere that forced the characters into weird directions that made no sense from what had been previously established.

Adam and Eddy meant that they would be having fun pissing those of us in their audience off by insulting our intelligence and common sense by constantly giving us inorganic contrivance of OOC characterizations, magical macguffins, and bizarre PLOT twists and contrivances that didn’t consistently, logically, and thus satisfyingly add up with what had been previously established, rather than entertaining us with organic character growth that made satisfactory sense by letting our predictions for characters come true in their sheer laziness to slow down and write organic character development.

There were even hints of this problem before 3B-S7 that I was seeing potential for in 2B. OUAT could have gone strong for longer than two to three ish seasons if A&E and these writers had slowed down from 2B, not gotten obsessed with Hook, not gone to Neverland, and not gotten so obsessed with the next big, bizarre, and contrived magical PLOT twist or macguffin that, oftentimes inorganically forced their characters to 180 regress in ways that made no sense for moments of “HOLY SHIT! WTF JUST HAPPENED?”

I have no problem with characters regressing when it’s done organically, slowly, relatably, and realistically. The problem with OUAT was that they used inorganic contrivances to push them back-and-forth between increasingly bizarre extremes that made no sense, rather than focusing on human or realistic motivations to get them from point A to point C organically. It felt fake, and it felt forced. I know it was fiction, but it felt like lazily badly written fiction when the characters swung back-and-forth by the writers playing God with them on the strings of their asinine PLOT twists inorganically.

It had gotten beyond exhausting trying to invest in a show run by petty hacks who were never going to allow their audience’s common sense and intelligence lead them through an organic path of growth for these characters with the writers dangling the carrot in front of them for a story that actually could make sense, and then abruptly, cruelly, and inorganically yanking it away from them with an absurd twist because they were too lazy to come up with any more ideas for organic character growth after 3A.

Let’s talk about Hook and CS becoming such a main focus on this show, and the romantic male lead/couple.” It’s not that Hook couldn’t have been organically developed into a sympathetic character worthy of redemption in his own right. A&E couldn’t write that, though. He also didn’t fit together with the ensemble main cast in the place of Nealfire as Emma’s main love interest. He and Emma had absolutely no chemistry. Hook’s sudden interest in her was bizarre and creepy.

Then, they killed off Nealfire through absurd means for Hook to take his place in the picture where he didn’t fit in the family circle, so they could have CS. They broke their own rules to bring Rumple back from the dead to turn him into the wildly OOC on-and-off-again “big bad” scapegoat cartoonish villain PLOT twister “foil” to Hook, even after having been given two-and-a-half seasons of the most well-written and well-earned sympathetic reforming anti-villain/tragic hero backstory and redemption arc from S1-3A. They destroyed Emma’s, Belle’s, Snow’s, David’s, and even Henry’s original sympathetic characterizations by obliterating their self-respect, intelligence, self-awareness, and moral integrity, so that they could inorganically force this bullshit narrative of Hook/CS being the “best hero” ever in a world of now meaningless, shallow, and simplistic black versus white hypocritical morality that Nealfire and the common goal of family balanced out with a sense of realism, common sense, organic growth and emotional depth that got lost with his death in favor of contradictory character destroying magical PLOT-twist driven Drama™️ soap opera “hero versus villain” fuckery and Hook/CS.

No wonder they lost more and more viewers as every season passed…Getting emotionally invested was no fun when the writers deliberately pulled the rug out from underneath your favorite characters whenever things started to seem making sense by totally ruining it with some bizarre magical contrivance or characterization that doesn’t add up to what we were shown before, and your logical predictions for stories that made organic and consistent sense for character growth were mocked by these writers because they refused to slow down and develop the characters after S1-3A. You were punished for being smart and using common sense, and that’s why most of these main characters’ credibility and integrity got completely destroyed in one way or another by this very lazy, petty and unfair bad writing technique of theirs that made them mostly feel like pod!people after just the first two-and-a-half seasons of the series.

tldr; You could only suspend your disbelief by turning off your brain to disregard the bullshit writing choices on OUAT and just blindly enjoy the show by getting invested in the characters for so long as written in canon without asking any questions before the writing became too infuriatingly repetitive, too contrived, too OOC, too character assassinating, and too stupid to believe. Also, Captain Fuckboy ruined the show after 3A, and he should have died and stayed dead back in early S2. It could have been different if A&E were good writers who could come up with organic character growth, and not shoehorned him in as Emma’s love interest in a way that ruined the whole show’s dynamic and sense of emotional depth by replacing Nealfire with him.

Nealfire’s death was the metaphorical death of the show’s canon, though. My personal headcanon was that the real show ended with “Going Home” (3x11) because that’s the last time there was any sort of compelling, consistent, organic, realistic, or relatable characterization or growth. After that, it all went to hell (literally), and I had to finally quit watching after S5 to preserve my sanity before anything got any worse, and on this show, it only would because A&E and these writers never learned.

A&E didn’t trust or respect their audience, so after awhile it felt like why should I respect their shitshow’s canon if it doesn’t make any consistent or well-developed sense, and they don’t care that it doesn’t themselves anymore either?

[gch1995]

Yep, as an ISFP this was my main problem with Belle on OUAT after season S3. Although, to be fair, I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that the writers completely screwed up hers, Rumple’s, and everyone else’s original characterizations, arcs, and relationships after they started bringing back the dead in 3B and ran out of story to tell after Neverland arc. I also saw Rumple as a INFJ who kept getting stuck in inferior Se due to bad writing and storytelling after his resurrection.

Why is Belle French considered an unhealthy INFP?

It comes from her lack of experience in the world (not her fault completely as she has been constantly captive under different men in her life), but this leads her into her inferior Te which makes her see things as more black and white than she naturally would if she used her Ne more to acquire more healthy experiences. Those moments of absolutism in her idealism of what a hero is, is the main issue with her functions. The world isn’t black and white and normally her Fi would indicate that fact to her, but she keeps having limited experiences and surrounds herself with books and facts the support her already limited subjective world views. 

[gch1995]

Yep, I still stand by this. The Jedi Order did not deserve to be mass murdered into near extinction. Anakin was very wrong to become Darth Vader, and participate in Order 66.

Technically, the Sith are still the greater of two evils, but I don’t understand how so many fans can pretend like the adults running and participating in the Jedi Order were these blameless victims either. Yoda and Obi-Wan have a lot of nerve to act like Anakin and other members turning on them is this completely unexpected and unfair thing when their council pressured the Republic to give their organization the legal rights to get away with abducting babies and children from their friends and families forever to train them and use them as soldiers for active combat, police duty, and war by offering their protection in exchange.

The worst part is that they don’t even seem to feel guilty trying to use Luke to clean up a mess they helped create with his estranged biological father, the Empire, and the Sith before he was even born nearly twenty years earlier.

They didn’t deserve to see their entire Order and government destroyed by their enemies and fallen members. The Jedi as an organization definitely helped create their worst enemies in the Empire and Sith, though. It wasn’t their intent, but they were clearly problematic in a way that influenced a domino effect.

There’s plenty of people who think the Jedi got what they deserved in order 66… and they don’t use as many negative traits to describe them as you do (seriously, “abusive, arrogant, corrupt, cowardly, deceitful, manipulative, hypocritical, negligent, oppressive, selfish, violent” ?? Have you run out of adjectives or is there more you’ve forgot?) .

So yeah, it’s not a strange thought to associate you with those people and to be tired of having those rants show up everywhere on posts or gif sets. How many anti tags are you using? How many snide remarks have you made against the fandom/fans? It’s ALL you talk about. Not difficult to take you for a “hater”. Most people are just having fun here on tumblr and here you all are, pointing fingers and calling out people..

Nonny, you guys are the ones who can’t accept canonical evidence right in your face that Obi Wan and the Jedi before Luke were deeply flawed. Using those adjectives of abusive, arrogant, corrupt, cowardly, morally hypocritical, violent, and vindictive, are not wrong. They lost their way because they became too afraid to take a risk to do the right thing under pressure. They became too arrogant to admit they could be wrong. Granted, so did Anakin after a while, particularly after going dark, but the fandom and the narrative doesn’t try to pretend like it was ever okay whenever he did fucked up stuff, regardless of the shitty circumstances and his “greater good” justifications.

You guys are the ones defending child abuse, child conscription for warfare and politics, cultism, slavery, and war crimes on the part of the Jedi just because they said it was all about “protecting the greater good.”

At least, I’m tagging my posts that are making legitimate canon criticisms as “anti Jedi apologists/apologism,” “Obi Wan critical,” “Yoda critical,” “Jedi order critical,” and “Jedi Council critical” of the Jedi Council, Jedi Order, Obi Wan, Yoda, and Jedi apologists to try to stay out of your lane. You guys don’t tag your posts as “Anti Anakin Skywalker” when you call him “an evil spawn of Satan who was always destined for evil,” blame him for his own grooming by saying he fell for Palpatine, even before learning he was a Sith Lord as a child because he was an “entitled, narcissistic, and ungrateful brat” in regards to Obi Wan, Yoda, and the Jedi Council, who hated them because they told him what to do. Please, they openly treated him like garbage more often than not, let him talk to to Palpatine alone when he was a child under their care, and then blamed Anakin for growing close to him when enabling that relationship was no longer convenient for their own benefits.

Yoda was essentially running the Jedi Order like a cult. He kept insisting his members answer to a Republic that they all knew was a corrupt and hypocritical government, which only protected the upper class elite on the planets in the inner rims of the galaxy under their control, in spite of claiming to “fight for democracy and peace.”

Anakin Skywalker can still be held accountable for his crimes and character flaws as an adult because he still ultimately had enough self-awareness of right vs wrong, in spite of eventually becoming emotionally/mentally unstable, going through a lifetime of abuse, emotional/psychological conditioning for warfare and slavery, and oppression.

However, when I try to hold accountable adults in the Jedi Order for the systematic abuse, crimes, elitism, oppression, manipulation, war, and violence they knowingly enabled and committed because it made it easier for them to hold onto control and fit in for security under pressure when the odds were against them, it’s suddenly “not their fault at all.” Let’s remember that Yoda was the leader of the Jedi Order for over eight centuries, and he had made the decision to follow a corrupt Republic government, so he could pressure them to give his organization the legal rights to more or less abduct force sensitive children from their families for his “greater good” in exchange for protecting them. The adults involved were not innocent victims, especially not the members on the high Council who held the most privilege of authority to change things for the better, but still didn’t.

We got a morally gray tale in which the Jedi before Luke, while well-meaning, had become seriously flawed in his dad’s time, and Yoda and Obi-Wan were even showing signs of that corruption in the OT series, too, but you guys keep willfully overlooking that. It’s “Obi Wan was such a tragic hero, who was too nice to Anakin, and could have saved Anakin if the boy weren’t such an ungrateful brat.”

Sure…Obi-Wan was such a great guardian/mentor. He never was an abusive, cowardly, deceitful, emotionally negligent, hypocritical, manipulative, self-righteous, low-key vindictive, and petty jerkass, who spent the majority of his life ass-kissing Yoda, even when it came at the cost of

Sure…Obi Wan and Yoda suffered so much living in hiding on Tattooine for 23 years, wallowing in self-pity after inadvertently helping fuck up Anakin and the fall of their own Order with their cowardice and hypocrisy, while their former apprentice helped terrorize and/or murder the galaxy of remaining Jedi survivors, friends, and other innocent citizens as Sidious’s murder servant/attack dog. It totally was not fucked up to deliberately deceive, endanger, and manipulate their former apprentice’s estranged and innocent son to finish him off for them because they were too afraid to face the consequences of the mess they helped create with his father in the first place by repeatedly pushing him away with their extremist system’s methods and practices that they still refuse to fully accept were deeply toxic and hypocritical, regardless of their intentions…🙄🙄🙄

Let’s just ignore the fact that, at least in public as Darth Vader in the suit, Anakin became more like the “ideal” duty bound and stone cold warrior “for the greater good” of enforcing and maintaining order and security in the Empire for himself and his men that Yoda and Jedi Council Obi Wan kept insisting he be more like before he turned to the dark side. Let’s ignore the fact that the abusive, arrogant, controlling, elitist, hypocritical, and oppressive systematic practices and teachings of a corrupt Jedi Order are partially responsible for influencing the birth of monsters, who are able convince themselves they are fighting for the “greater good,” from their own organization, in the first place…🙄🙄🙄

Sure…For his crimes, Anakin deserved to be left to inhumanely burn alive in agony by the “peaceful” Obi-Wan Kenobi on Mustafar, and get trapped with an even worse master from whom viable escape was limited to nonexistent. Obi-Wan totally deserved a father of the year award for cutting off Anakin’s limbs when he got the high ground in their duel, only to rant at him and watch him suffer in agony when he caught on fire, rather than just putting him out of his misery when he got the upper hand on Mustafar instead….🙄🙄🙄

*Sighs*

[gch1995]

I like Christine primarily as a light lyric soprano with a light coloratura extension, or a kolorturasoubrette. I mean, she should be able to hit a high C6 and E6, and she should be able to do light melismas, but nothing too big and crazy either. I don’t see her sounding like the more mature full lyric, spinto, or dramatic coloratura soprano of Carlotta, though.

good afternoon eriksdreamery nation. what fach do you see christine as (primarily). also if im missing one put it in the tags :3

btw i am asking what she is in your mind!! not the fachs of who's played her

[gch1995]

good afternoon eriksdreamery nation. what fach do you see christine as (primarily). also if im missing one put it in the tags :3

btw i am asking what she is in your mind!! not the fachs of who's played her

[gch1995]

Season one, but it’s a genuinely fun ride up to 3A, in spite of some flaws here and there. 3B-S7 has a few nice moments here and there, but it went too far into blatantly emotionally manipulative nonsensical writing territory for me to be able to support it. Yeah, I love angst. A lot of us in the Dearie/Rumbelle fandoms really do. The problem with OUAT is that it became increasingly *forced* and inconsistent on the show after 2A, but it was bearable up to 3A because at least A&E and the writers still had stories to with relatively satisfying endings for the main characters planned ahead of time up to the Neverland arc.

The problem with 3B-S7 was that they completely threw away character development to focus on nonsensical plots to keep bringing them back to their stories between S1-3A, and every time they reset them, it felt increasingly ooc, forced, and lazy. I don’t hate the Aesop Amnesia trope when it’s well-done in fiction because people often make the same bad choices and/or mistakes at least a few times before they finally grow and move on, especially in the cases of children, reforming villains, and the mentally ill. The problem with the writers of OUAT is that it felt increasingly contrived and cheaply shocking character assassination every time they reset them because they forced them there with mischaracterizations and ass pulled plot twists with their go big or go home “what a twist” mentality when the from late 2B onwards.

In other words, A&E and the writers were far too invested in instantly gratifying plot-result oriented in their storytelling. They wanted to get to the end of every story they wrote right away, and focused way too much on pushing the characters there with deus ex machinnas and mischaracterizations.

Yes, I was primarily watching OUAT between 2015-2017 in my late teens-mid twenties because I was a Dearie/Rumbelle/BATB fan, too. In a way, I always will be. I gave up on watching after S5 out of exhaustion with the bad writing, I continued roaming the fandom at S6 to find our what was happening on the show through tumblr out of morbid curiosity, and I watched one Rumbelle centric episode of S7. Otherwise, I mostly just continue to love the characters and relationship after 3A through AU and certain canon-divergent scenarios in fanfiction.

Recently started for the first time season 3 and i HAVE to know, which is your favourite season of Once Upon A Time?

[gch1995]

Okey, I have to make a confession: I just finished episode 17 (of season 2) and somehow I have the bad feeling that Gold will die, maybe not in this season, or soon, but he will. He just has that look in his eyes, he has seen too many things, lived too many years, and for some reason I don't think he will be there when it all ends. I don't know, it's a hunch, a sad one.

[gch1995]

Recently started for the first time season 3 and i HAVE to know, which is your favourite season of Once Upon A Time?