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Proven Guilty

Green: OK, in the past few chapters, there has been exposition on both mind magic and time magic

Green: which, when Harry was explaining mind magic, l was like "OK, looks like this is going to be the book in which the bad guys use mind magic"

Green: but then Bob started talking about time magic so now it's like which one's it going to be?

Orange: exposition is my fave position

Green: l mean, probably something else

Orange: ahahaha

Green: it's probably going to be using themes from the discussion on mind magic, which is that some types of magic turn you evil

Orange: i think it's either a setup for this book or the next or like

Green: my guess is there's going to be someone who is like, halfway there

Orange: there's setups several books in advance sometimes

Green: yeah

Orange: sometimes there's been setups the whole time

Orange: and you only learn it when all the dominoes crash down in one book

Orange: and they crash on our boy, harry

Orange: like they were calculated to do so by a malevolent god

Green: Bob's like "if a paradox happens in a weak enough spot, the entire world could be destroyed"

Orange: because they were

Green: and l'm like "l smell a sideplot 10 books from now"

Orange: book theory: butcher is a supernatural entity in his own series

Orange: he's the bad guy behind it all, specifically focusing on making harry suffer as much as possible without actually killing him

Orange: stringing him along with hope so he doesn't go full breakdown and become a hobo

Orange: a cruel and vicious god

Green: hahaha

Green: here is my prediction

Green: harry is going to bang michael's daughter

Green: (not serious)

Green: oh she's 17

Green: even less serious now

Green: l was just thinking, "what's something that would make Harry want to avoid Michael even more?"

Orange: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Orange: wait

Orange: mind magic

Orange: so are you on book 8

Orange: is the daughter somehow mixed up in shenanigans

Green: yeah I'm on book 8

Orange: hohohooo

Green: she had him bail her bf (who works at splattercon) out of jail

Orange: i remember some of this one

Orange: yeah

Orange: splattercon

Orange: the best

Orange: good stuff here

Green: also all of Michael's kids are incredibly cute

Orange: what kind of father would michael be if he didn't raise very solid great children

Orange: who then have freaking

Orange: GOTH EMO PHASE

Orange: as you do

Orange: as i did

Green: this is my favorite thing in the universe

"Don't call me Leech," she said in the patient tone of someone who has said something a million times and plans on saying it a million times more. "Hello, sir," she told me. "Alicia," I said, nodding. Evidently the use of her actual name constituted a gesture of partnership. She gave me a somewhat relieved and conspiratorial smile.

Green: like, she calls him sir? She really appreciates him using her proper name?

Green: that's cute

Orange: nothing but the best from michael

Orange: nothing but the best

Orange: his wife too

Green: and he just gives her the name greeting

Orange: yes he does that

Orange: it's so weird

Orange: when he's uncomfortable he freaking lets his mouth run wild

Orange: when he's okay, he can do the cool sorta minimal wordage stuff

Green: yeah!

Green: with Matthew he doesn't even say hi he just nods

Orange: yeah

Orange: uncle dresden

Orange: ahahaha

Orange: uncle harry the hairy uncle

Orange: man getting my nieces and nephews to use 'uncle' before using my name is a constant struggle for their parents

Green: also Amanda calls him Bill because they already have a Harry

Orange: waehehehe

Orange: i forgot they have a harry

Orange: why not tom, they can call him tom and have another kid and he can be Richard

Orange: and then you have tom dick and harry

Green: geeze

Green: black magic is always the fucked up stuff huh

Green: oh hey it's maeve!!!

Green: l remember her

Green: she walks in and this isthe first thing she says

Maeve stared at me for a long minute and licked her lips. "Look at you," she all but purred. "All pent up like that. You haven't had a woman in ages, have you?"

Green: also l like her outfit

Green: l know l said l don't like reading descriptions, but outfits are a huge exception

Green: highlights include rainbow-colored hair, blue cut-off jorts, and a t-shirt that says "YOUR BOYFRIEND WANTS ME"

Green: chad

Green:

Maeve waited for her lemonade, wrapped her lips idly around the straw, and sipped. Then she settled back into her seat, chewing. Crunching sounds came from her mouth. The lemonade had frozen solid when it passed her lips. Which made me feel pretty damned smart for avoiding the whole sexual temptation issue.

Green:

"The good guys win!" Bob cheered. "Or at least you do. You're still a good guy, right? You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me."

Green: looks like white court vampires' eyes turn silver when they vamp out

Green: also so far Harry's fought Jason, a Xenomorph, and…a scarecrow? I want to say it's Jack Skellington

Green: heyyy it was mind magic all along!

Green: btw I hope to god that the fairies who clean his house become important at some point

Green: they were a huge plot point in Pale and that was so much fun

Orange: Ehehehee

Green: Btw l love that the security guard sees harry and giving him the once over is like "hmm...big bearded man with a giant dog, wearing a huge coat, looks pretty messed up, looks like he's packing heat- oh he has a splattercon badge this checks out

Green: "

Orange: hahhahahahahaha

Orange: i forget who the scarecrow is

Orange: but you got the xenomorph and jason i think

Green: They just fought a couple rabid animals from a movie I've never heard of, and also "Bucky the Doll"

Orange: there's gotta be some spooki scarecrow out there

Green: Who's clearly supposed to be Chucky

Orange: yes

Green: So yeah the unknown ones are the Scarecrow (who l'm pretty sure is Jack Skellington?), the rabid animals, and the Hammerman

Orange: well like

Orange: it's gotta be horror movie stuff

Orange: horror/thriller

Green: Jack Skellington is scary in-universe though

Green: His whole thing is scaring people

Orange: yeah but i'm assuming these appearances are something to do with the actual fear existing in people right

Orange: phobophage, was it called?

Green: Yeah...

Orange: you know

Orange: i bet someone's already found out what these references are

Green: Yeah

Green: Oh l looked up "horror movie pumpkin head" and it might be Pumpkinhead from Pumpkinhead

Orange: hmm

Orange: i just looked at a picture of Pumpkinhead from Pumpkinhead and i don't see no pump nor kin on any head

Orange: there's a scarecrow in jeepers creepers

Orange: but no pumpkin

Orange: maybe he didn't wanna have too many references because the publisher/editor kept shooting down ideas

Green: Hm also now that l'm thinking about it, the Reaper might be the guy from Scream, rather than Jason

Green: l didnt read the description that closely

Orange: hmmmm

Green: He just soul gazed molly and hot dang am I excited to see more stories involving her

Orange: HAHAHAHA

Orange: MOLLS

Orange: you may or may not have your wish granted

Green: And her thing is she's really good at mind magic

Orange: yes

Green: That's going to be real fun

Orange: she has T-A-L-E-N-T

Orange: while harry, no offense

Green: Lot of potential for "oh shit I messed up big time" plots

Orange: not exactly the most talented magician

Orange: he's got power sure

Green: Yeah yeah

Orange: but like you can have all the muscle without knowing how to tie your shoes

Green: When he messes up big time it's just political stuff or collateral damage

Orange: i stg the magic meta could have so many broken strats in it if people like harry start minmaxing

Orange: they got all the time to train!

Green: But l bet when Molly messes up it's big and tangled and messy

Orange: well see it's tangled because molly, unlike harry, knows how to tie shoes

Green: Lol true

Orange: (jk i'm sure harry knows how to tie his shoes! And he learned at the very young age of 25!)

Orange: yeah well the whole wizard community seems to be pretty black and white (heh) about the whole following Da Rules thing

Orange: and they already hate harry so if harry's associated with someone who breaks the rules they'll go after them too

Green:

Dressed in his formal black robes, with a deep purple cowl that left his features shadowed but for the glitter of his dark eyes, the Gatekeeper stood in the doorway for a moment, and something gave me the impression that he was staying at the Merlin.

Green: What an interesting outfit he's wearing

Orange: HIS COWL

Green: Hahahaha

Orange: there's no way that cowl will let himself be seen wearing a cowl in his non-cowl identity

Orange: unless.. that's what he wants harry to think

Orange: keep your eyes on that gatekeeper

Green: Haha yeah it could be a false flag

Green: Aw

Green: He told Michael everything

Green: V cute

Green: Also Michael knew

Green: Which, not unsurprising.

Orange: MICHAEL IS SO FREAKING BASED

Orange: just

Orange: kiss already

Orange: KISS ALREADY

Orange: HARRY YOU HAVE A DEMON LADY IN YOUR HEAD RN ITS TIME TO BE GAY

Orange: ;u; but like

Orange: i love how harry was so scared and michael was like dude, it's cool

Orange: just don't be a denarian, renounce your wizarding ways

Orange: and harry's like no sorry haha

Green: Yes!!!

Green: I love Michael

Green: And, l love that he's like "we don't know that that's the only way to get rid of denarianism, so try not to be too evil in the meantime"

Green: Also Molly is hitting on Dresden

Green: Slightly overtly

Green: l stg if you were lying about the dry spell l will shit

Orange: molly is sometimes channeling The Girl That Tries To Ruin The Yaoi

Green: Lol

Orange: but harry, harry can't not suffer

Orange: the only time harry should be allowed to have sex is like, moments before his sexual partner dies right

Orange: or he can have sex with bad guys, who then either is revealed to be bad and killed, or who has a really sweet change of heart and is also killed

Orange: harry's ex's shouldn't be in texas, they should be six feet under

Green: Oh nice callback

Orange: what callback

Green: He dumped ice water on Molly

Orange: I DID NOT GET THIS CALLBACK

Orange: so you're finishing up book 8???

Orange: whatttt

Green: Mhm

Orange: or is this not the end

Green: I mean

Green: Idk

Orange: green you're a voracious reader

Green: Its an ebook of 7-12

Orange: oh is it just the whole thing in one

Green: Yeah

Orange: oh nice

Green: But like, it's been hitting all the "we're getting close to the end of the book" beats

Orange: nice

Green: Like l am definitely solidly in the denouement

Green: All the book mysteries got unraveled, he got the girl, he talked to Michael

Green: l don't see many other conflicts other than teacher/student conflicts, which honestly are better left brewing over the next few books

Orange: ehehehehe

Orange: it took me a while to actually start seeing the patterns you're picking up right away

Orange: or maybe you're just thinking on the right wavelengths

Orange: it's cool

Green: l mean, except that next book should be all about "I'm really new at being a teacher oh god l'm fucking it all up"

Orange: YEAH

Orange: there's no way it won't be that

Orange: right

Green: That's going to be cute, and relatable

Orange: it will be

Green: Gosh l hope so

Orange: very cute and relatable

Orange: it has to be

Orange: butcher can't pass up an opportunity like that

Orange: could he

Green: You're worrying me

Orange: i guess he could just kill molly

Orange: but that wouldn't be satisfying!

Orange: he should only kill molly at the time where it will hurt harry the most

Orange: <rot13>ba gurve jrqqvat qnl</rot13>

Orange: i joke

Orange: it's a joke

Green: Yeah!!!

Orange: but yes

Green: Or, better yet, he should be the one to do it

Orange: OHHHHH

Orange: GREEN YOU DEVIL

Green: Hehwhehehe

Orange: that's the sorta thinking that we need in the writing community

Green: Hahaha

Orange: that creative ethic of how to make your hero suffer

Orange: Molly should like

Orange: become twisted by the cruel world into a person who does anything to get what she needs

Green: Yes!!!

Green: I mean

Green: No

Orange: and when harry realizes this, on the freaking, when they play the music and walk her down the aisle

Orange: he goes

Orange: "fuego"

Orange: tears streaming down his face

Green: I want there to be two timelines, one in which that happens and one where he saves her

Orange: ok, so there are the two timelines right

Orange: but in the saving molly timeline, she dies right when he thinks she is safe

Green: And the one where he saves her is the one we follow, but we get to see what happens in the other one sometimes

Green: Hahaha

Green: You're too cruel!!!

Orange: I am not too cruel

Orange: i just really like seeing harry suffer

Orange: i don't care how many girls have to die before he turns gay but i'm gonna find out

Green: He just forbade her to masturbate?

Orange: waitwhat

Green: "Hi, yeah, not only am l not going to have sex with you, you're not going to have sex with you"

Orange: dang harry, that's cold

Orange: but i guess it makes sense

Orange: he knew her when she was a wee lass

Green:

"Sex makes things complicated, and for you that could be bad." "But..." "And no, ah, solo exploration either." She blinked at me and asked in a blank tone, "Why?" "You'll go blind," I said, and walked up to her front porch. "You're joking," she said, and then hurried to catch up. "That's a joke, right? Harry?" I marched her up to her house without answering her. Molly wore a hopeless look on her face, as though she envied a condemned criminal, who could at least hope that the governor might call at the last minute.

Orange: harry you dog

Orange: you should have used your one brain cell to make up a story about how you need to power magic with sexual energy or something

Green: I feel like that would be unwise

Orange: i mean, we are talking about harry here

Orange: i'm not suggesting the wise decision i'm suggesting the funny one

Orange: he is incapable of being wise

Green: Hahaha fair

Green: I like that the Harry and Molly thing is exactly the same situation as Anakin and Ahsoka from Star Wars

Orange: mmmmmmmmm

Orange: is ahsoka the lady who anakin macked on in the prequels

Green: I mean, l say this without having watched The Clone Wars

Orange: ah i tooo have failed to watch that show

Green: No Ahsoka was the protagonist of the animated tv show

Orange: oh her

Orange: the twin tails girl

Green: She was Anakin's apprentice, and eventually the jedi council tried to execute her for turning to the dark side

Green: (She hadn't, really)

Orange: ooooo

Green: Anakin was a little bit mad at the council for this

Green: actually l think they might've actually done it?

Orange: oooo

Green: Finished Proven Guilty

Green: And hot dang I'd like to say that I totally called what it would be about

Orange: dang

Green: Green you genius

Orange: you are pretty solid with at least your immediate predictions

Green: Except it was so much better than I thought it would be

Orange: you're not so far from changes

Orange: changes is hype

Green: I'm pretty far

Green: It's #12 and I just finished #8

Green: Next is White Night but l think l need a bit of a break lol

Green: Also l think that title is a bit of a bummer

Green: Since he already used the Knight/Night thing for book 4

Green: But here's my predictions for White Night - it'll be about the white court, and also about finding a home for his magic sword

Green: And also about his brand new apprentice, on the personal side of things

Orange: hmmmm

Orange: yeah idk if white knight was great

Orange: it's probably alright

Orange: nope nope nvm it's ok

Green: it'd better have a bunch of good dresden and molly moments!!!

Orange: and by ok i mean

Orange: i definitely remember a punchy moment here

Orange: that i think is good

Orange: i think you can expect to see molly show off what a magician with more than one brain cell can do

Orange: but i'm not certain, i just think

Green: that's exciting, but what l want is dresden and molly moments!

Green: their interplay!

Green: their banter, if any!

Orange: well yeah

Orange: you might get a moment or two

Orange: harry is a.. fun teacher if anything

Orange: he's got a whole bucket of trauma and he'll maybe try really hard to make sure molly avoids such trauma right

Green: hahahaha

Green: that's pretty exciting

Orange: but harry is stupid right

Orange: so he'd pick really stupid teaching methods i bet

Green:

Molly: You know, I may not see eye to eye with my mom but I really do love my siblings. Dresden: *sucks in air through his teeth* Don't go down that road, Molly.

Green: hm that phenomenon you were just talking about is probably why Dresden forbid Molly from everything sexual

Green: U_U

Orange: it makes sense

Green: "OK Molly, lesson number one is to trust no one. I mean, sure, there are good people in the world, but l can practically guarantee that none of them will want to have sex with you. lf someone is attracted to you? Huuuge red flag. Are you writing this down? Sex is evil, write that down."

Green: You know dresden files is pretty good mystery novels

Green: each novel has 2-4 interrelated "major" mysteries going on and sometimes a few minor mysteries, and while things are surprising, it's never totally out of the blue like "wait, what?"

Green: l mean there are definitely twists which l don't think l could have guessed in advance even if l went over everything with a fine-toothed comb

Green: but some, like Molly being a wizard, were definitely foreshadowed and l'm like "ohhhhhhh"

Green: ldk these are good books!

Orange: ohohoho

Green: and very readable

Green: l also think book girl being coin girl was a good twist

Green: oh and back in book 2 or 3, where harry's like "there are 3 different types of werewolf, so l guess l need to figure out which type we're dealing with here" and the answer is "ALL THREE"

Green: l thought that was super fun

Orange: ohh yeah!!!

Orange: I forgot those books were so long ago

Orange: must be nearly a decade

Green: yeah they came out in like 2002

Green: so almost 2

Green: Proven Guilty came out in 2006 l think

#proven guilty spoilers #also the clone wars spoilers #dresden files #dresden files spoilers #the story continues

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Interlude

Right now she's barely started Proven Guilty

Green: Dead Beat was about fairies and black magic

Green: the next one, Proven Guilty? fairies and black magic

Green: I mean I guess in the Dresdenverse, there's 3 types of shit - fairies, black magic, and vampires

Green: oh I guess there's demons

Green: and Outsiders, which are like demons but organized and more evil, apparently

Green: but harry will probably never encounter any of those

Green: oh wait I maybe remember Harry saying, many books ago, that red vampires are actually a type of fairy?

Green: or, at least, that they're from the Nevernever originally

Green: which, I'm still unclear on whether that means fairy or not

Green: so I guess maybe those three types of things are represented in the three types of vampires - white/demon, red/fairy (maybe?), black/black magic (probably)

Green: or maybe it was just that they had an affinity for the Nevernever

Orange: hmmm

Orange: i'd be sad if cowl was gatekeeper, but cowl is such a great curveball to throw

Orange: so not all of the residents of the nevernever are fae, I think?

Orange: I think they're like, hm

Orange: hmmmm

Orange: because most red vamps are, for lack of a better term, turned humans

Orange: so if they originated from the fae, then the primogenitor vamp may be fae but the rest certainly can't be

Orange: unless there are tribes of humans just freakin' surviving it out hardcore in the nevernever

Orange: i don't know for now

Orange: you might learn about them more in later books, in which case i do expect you to fill me in on the detail

Orange: 😉 no pressure

Orange: i don't think the main bad boss vamp is like, straight up dracula

Orange: i think vlad tepes is like a black courter

Green: lol yeah l can fill you in

Green: and god harry is so stupid

Green: he's like "l don't want to see michael ever again because he might kill me for having a demon in my brain

Orange: HARRY YOU IDIOT

Orange: YOU IDIOT

Orange: MICHAEL IS THE GOOD TYPE OF PALADIN

Green: like, no, actually, Michael did offer to spare all the Denarius men!

Orange: not only did he offer to spare

Orange: he legit refuses to attack an unarmed denarian doesn't he

Green: yeah

Green: something like that

Green: like

Orange: like if a denarian freaking walks up to him arms outstretched, no murderous intent

Orange: michael wouldn't embrace but certainly wouldn't attack

Orange: he is the goodest of freaking boys goffiogreofgjergre

Green: not only would he be not kill harry, he would probably help out???

Green: he would probably be like "yeah let's get this thing out of your brain, harry"

Orange: i stg if butcher hurts michael there will be a reckoning

Orange: you'll tell me if he hurts michael

Orange: i do not spoil

Green: yeah

Orange: but he will have hell to pay

Orange: we will cry out into the night as wolves

Orange: and go on the Hunt

Green: hahahaha

Orange: watch your ass, butcher

Green: oh I guess werewolves was a thing in one book

Orange: yes they are 🙂

Green: so I guess there is more than those 3 types of thing

Orange: they will not go away

Orange: you will see them again

Green: I mean, the kids have been a constant presence

Orange: they're just like, their thing is they're all freaking hot dreamboat types

Green: l was thinking of the big ones and the cop ones

Orange: everyone is hot

Orange: butcher likes describing hot people

Orange: and he doesn't skimp on the dudes too

Green: l noticed

Orange: which i appreciate

Orange: well he skimps a little

Green: yeah, last book had like 2 paragraphs describing thomas

Orange: but the fact that he tries is the good thing

Orange: YEAH

Green: it wasn't even his introduction in the series!

Orange: thomas is "one of the good ones"

Orange: oh of course

Orange: jim has to describe thomas every book

Green: l mean, l usually skip descriptions tbh U_U

Orange: and also have characters noticing how harry is shacking up with the hottest dude ever

Orange: well if you know what they look like

Orange: i mean it's understandable

Green: not really, tbh?

Orange: also you can probably just imagine it yourself your own way

Green: l don't really care what they look like

Orange: that's fair

Orange: i mean i feel like he toes the line between too much detail and too little, and i have room to express my preference

Green: l remember that when Harry met Thomas and his beau, he was like "damn fuck they're both so hot???"

Green: and that's really all l need to know

Orange: ahahaha

Orange: yes

Orange: that is all

Green: like l don't think the color of Thomas' eyes is ever going to be relevant

Orange: oh uhh

Orange: so white court vamp eyes change color depending on how hungry they are i think

Green: hahaha really?

Orange: so that sorta thing is a little relevant i think

Orange: i'm not sure

Orange: don't quote me

Green: haha ok fair

Green: so they're basically exactly twilight vampires

Orange: but i think they also do a thing when they use their stored sexual energy to go on the offensive

Green: oh yeah l remember that

Orange: like if a white court just goes ballistic then they'll have an eye thing

Orange: they're proto twilight vampires

Orange: twilight before twilight

Orange: if you do a primogenitor curse on the white court vamps, somewhere down the line you'll eliminate the Cullens

Orange: this is my take

Green: hahaha

Orange: i really hope

Orange: as you read these books

Orange: there's at least a twilight reference somewhere

Orange: i'll be disappointed

Orange: if there isn't

Green: oh yeah

Orange: and i'll add that to whatever grudges i'll hold against butcher for his crimes against the good boys

Orange: whatever those crimes may be

Green: l don't think l was looking out for any, so there might've been one many books ago?

Orange: i like to see harry suffer though, harry must suffer

Green: yeah

Green: me too

Orange: i don't think twilight was out at the time of book 7? am I way off on the timeline

Green: that's exactly right, actually

Green: or maybe 8

Green: ah, twilight was published in october, but dead beat was published in may

Green: so proven guilty was the first dresden files book published in the post-twilight era

Orange: i look forward to it

Orange: i actually don't know if twilight was ever written in the dresden files universe

Orange: or if it hit too close to home and the white court did some shenanigans to stephanie meyer to keep the book from publishing

Green: lol l bet it was

Orange: sure hope so

Orange: sureee hope so

Green: Bob is 1000000% more relatable since l was last reading these books, since l, too, now have an insatiable hunger for romance novels

Orange: oh absolutely

Orange: gosh

Orange: i can't wait for the next book

Orange: the developments that have occurred in the recent series of books is like, insane

Green: me before: heh a skull that's really horny all the time. That's funny, l guess

Green: me now: l wish my job would pay me in romance novels T_T

Orange: i mean he's horny, but i feel like his choice of romance novels is telling

Green: oh?

Orange: yeah

Orange: it's a very, hm, non-masculine thing

Green: ohh l see what you mean

Orange: so it makes his horniness less.. whatever it is i feel is offputting about the more traditionally masculine forms of sexual expression

Green: l thought you meant the specific novels he reads and l'm like "is it ever mentioned, other than that they're the horny kind?"

Orange: where it isn't even expression it's just like, focused on visual stuff instead of exercising the imagination?

Green:

"Yes," I said. "They're rated 'Burning Hot' by some kind of romance society." "Lots of sex and kink!" Bob caroled. "Gimme!"

Orange: I feel like even crappy dime romance novels have more in them than just porn, though i may be corrected

Orange: like i almost read bob's fascination with romance novels as being a weirdly asexual curiosity

Orange: which, to me, makes way more sense but only because that's my thing

Green: l think you're probably pretty right about that

Green: l mean, he has been known to be really into porn, and also to be into terrorizing women's bathrooms

Orange: shOOT

Green: l mean l don't think Dresden ever gave him porn, but he heard the name of one of the guys Dresden was investigating and was like "oh he's a porn director"

Orange: well like, his particular type of spirit is known for the desire to learn everything he can, and i imagine one of the last things you'd want to learn after learning all the useful stuff is sexuality

Green: yeah totally

Orange: and sexuality is very interesting to me, and i have that insatiable curiosity thing where i'll just insist people teach me things if it's a practical skill i think i could acquire in a sitting

Orange: not sexually

Orange: gosh darnit

Orange: gosh darnit why didn't i type that sentence differently

Orange: that looks awful

Green: lol

Green: so, yeah l think l might buy that

Green: yeah l would definitely buy that Bob got fixated on human sexuality

Green: but l looked it up and l was wrong about the women's bathrooms thing

Orange: oh??

Green: as far as l am, he's gone to a "wild party", and visited strip clubs instead of looking for info

Orange: ahhh

Orange: yeee

Orange: bob is definitely more willing to go the extra mile

Orange: i can't do any of the pro-social experiences of sexuality, i'd rather just observe through a screen and make gay jokes

Green: mmm

Orange: i'm not even attracted to men! sad!

Green: also he's constantly talking about Harry's sex life

Orange: well like yeah

Orange: dude is like perpetually sexually frustrated

Orange: i wonder if that's the secret to his power

Green: btw l really like the scene in Summer Knight when a hot fairy gal is hitting on him and he just freaking dumps a glass of ice water on his unmentionables

Orange: wait

Green: like "sorry, not in the mood anymore"

Orange: is that the one where

Orange: she's like

Orange: "gimme ur firstborn"

Green: yeah lol

Orange: HA

Orange: I think of that scene a lot

Orange: friggin maeve

Orange: the one name i remember

Green: ',:) l bet you do

Orange: and it's maeve

Orange: oh you'll hear my thoughts on that scene

Orange: maybe after you finish the round of books

Green: up to changes you mean?

Green: or up to where you are?

Orange: yeah i feel like i'll have to talk about it after you finish changes

Orange: or at least when you're partway through

Green: mhm

Orange: actually

Orange: maybe even later

Green: that was such a fucking chad move

Orange: but maeve is interesting and things get more interesting later

Orange: and harry is, at the least, a freaking boss babe

Orange: harry sometimes is a girlboss

Orange: i think at one point he freaking

Orange: lips off to queen mab right at her introduction

Orange: what a chad

Orange: what a dumb idiot himbo chad

Green: he's like "yeah true that your whole 'seduction' thing is definitely working, but you failed to consider that ice water on my cock is a real turn-off!!!"

Green: it's like a scene straight out of jojo's bizarre adventure

Green: btw

Green: he told billy you shouldn't eat or drink anything there

Orange: this is true

Green: and so, just following that rule, it makes sense that dumping a glass of water on your crotch is fine

Orange: yeah

Orange: totally fine

Orange: fae food can be problematic for people iirc

Orange: just a bad idea to accept gifts from faries

Green: but, like, as l find out more about how fairy bs works, it seems like the principle behind not eating or drinking anything there is that you don't want to take anything as a gift

Green: yeah!

Green: which, it seems like using the water as an arousal dampener is also kind of accepting the water as a gift?

Green: so, idk, that seemed weird

Orange: well you accept it but you twist it to your ends

Orange: that's what the fae do, so you played their own trick on them

Green: l feel like that would still put him in their debt, though

Orange: the fae give gifts to try to twist you to their ends, usually they take transactions or they pretend it isn't a transaction when it is

Orange: jeez i can't wait for you to read the next few books

#bob cw #dead beat spoilers #dresden files spoilers #dresden files #the story continues

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Green: but yeah I'm betting his date is a necromancer, or possibly someone who will die before they can bang

Orange: ohohohoho

Orange: who is this man's date

Green: the bookstore assistant

Green: magic bookstore

Orange: shoot

Orange: i don't remember them

Orange: hopefully it's a horrible thing for him though

Green: yeah

Orange: harry needs to suffer

Green: I don't really remember his sister's circumstances, but I'm kind of hoping it's secretly his sister?

Green: huh

Green: harry definitely has a sibling thing going on

Orange: ooo

Orange: ooo wait

Orange: hmmmmmm

Orange: well i won't say anything o3o

Green: lol do you want the rundown on everything I know about his sister?

Orange: go on

Green: OK so when his dad died he got adopted by an evil wizard named dustin

Green: and, he started dating his sister

Green: and later he found out that his sister and dustin were conspiring to sacrifice him for some kind of dark magic ritual

Green: so he kills them both, I think

Green: or something

Orange: hmm

Orange: the dark backstory

Green: and then in Summer Knight she shows up and she's like "hey harry I'm alive, and also working for someone evil, no comment on if I'm still doing the dark magic shit tee hee"

Green: and I can't remember who she's working for but I think he found out

Orange: shoot i may have completely forgotten if that's his sister or no

Green: foster sister

Orange: oh

Orange: yes

Green: same way dustin isn't his real dada

Orange: but dustin was his daddy 😉

Orange: ehaeuadheuhueaheuhueh

Green: not biologically related, and I'm not clear on the timeline so it's possible they met after that special age

Orange: right

Orange: i'm not clear either

Orange: dresden files books usually go in order but some of them like the compilations of short stories interspersed are more, spotty in the timeline business

Green: anyways, and what's going down in this book I'm on now, dead beat, is fairy necromancy shit, which is both of what his sister is involved in, I think

Green: and she has a history of trying to seduce secrets out of dresden

Green: so I'm thinking, it's kind of possible that this book lady is her

Orange: hmmm

Orange: welllll

Orange: i don't remember

Green: I'd say like 30% chance

Orange: but i would say you are smart for suspecting it

Orange: you gotta have doubts for any girl dresden is around

Green: maybe more like 20%

Orange: the boys are good actually

Orange: but the girls are dangerous

Green: the odds she's a necromancer are much higher tbh

Orange: probably

Green: he knows there's 6 in town, and by my count he's only encountered 5

Green: unless a ghoul counts, which, probably not

Orange: dead beat is a great book

Orange: fantastic

Green: really?

Orange: omg

Orange: it has some

Green: I'm excited then

Orange: really killer stuff in it

Orange: hot dang

Green: nice

Orange: is uh

Orange: sword bro in it

Orange: you know sword bro

Orange: hates harry

Green: not yet, I don't think?

Green: oh yeah that guy

Orange: has a hate boner for harry at all times

Orange: idk his name

Orange: but he is, in my opinion, also a good boy

Green: no, but harry has said in this book that if he encounters sword bro, sword bro will probs attack on sight since harry has a demon brand

Orange: a demon br-

Orange: is it a coin

Green: he touched a coin yeah

Orange: YEAH WE HAVE

Green: like a book or two ago

Orange: PENNY IN YOUR THOUGHTS, HARRY????

Orange: ahahhahaha i've wanted to make that joke for ages

Green: lol

Orange: ok so harry has coin girl in his head, and that's like, very good and all

Orange: and it's good

Orange: it can only lead to good things

Green: I don't know about a girl

Green: rn it's mostly fire

Orange: well like, wait

Orange: usually when you touch a denariaua you get like, a friggin

Orange: demon taking over sorta deal?

Orange: like they tempt you right

Orange: am i wrong here, is it just fire

Orange: i better not be freaking spoiling you

Orange: gosh darnit

Orange: it's been ages since i've read the early books i don't remember anything T_T

Orange: hearing you summarize is pulling up jumbled clusters of lore but not putting it in order

Green: it's just fire atm

Green: doesn't seemlike that much of a spoiler

Orange: oh wait he isn't like

Orange: holding around the coin

Orange: he's got it stored away right

Green: no

Green: can't remember?

Orange: yeah so probably explains it's just fire for now, maybe temptation later

Orange: idk knowing harry he probably buried it somewhere

Green: he just touched it for like half a second

Orange: and put concrete on it

Orange: well yeah but the coins don't need more than a half second to do changes in the brainges

Green: yeah

Orange: like he got fire from it, who knows where that coin has been

Green: hence fire

Orange: probably should get checked for rabies

Green: he mentioned what he did with itt

Green: what is with harry and hot siblings

Orange: well

Orange: harry isn't so bad looking himself...

Orange: he's just ugly in comparison to hot sibs

Green: I just put on top coat so I can't read so well

Orange: top..coat?

Green: clear nail polish which protecs the real nail polish

Green: probably should not be gotten on pages

Orange: ahhh makes sense

Green: cant type so well either but easier than reading

Green: so rn I'm basically pacing in my room thinking abt dresden files lol

Green: I like the mui mysterioso white council necromancers

Green: theres also a necromancer who hates dresden and he's like "who tf are you"

Green: I think it's gotta be kravos or dustin

Green: like, a zombie version

Green: and I think maybe dresden killed kravos' ghost so it has to be dustin?

Green: can't think of other necromancers who hate harry

Green: update: coin girl has appeared literally 2 pages later

Green: and she said he put the coin in concrete under his basement

Orange: aauaaua

Orange: HAAHAAHA

Orange: I WAS SO SCARED I SPOILT U

Orange: so now harry has a tulpa ouo

Orange: except they probably already exist as a separate sort of supernatural entity in his world

Orange: soo hm

Orange: i think dustin was like a big time necro and harry's just too much of a goody two shoes so they have to respect the fact that this freaking nutso powerhouse wizard is in the city they're planning to do mischeif in

Green: yeah likeI said it wasn't m cuh of a spoiler

Green: harry kissed book girl and she seems like a good person so I'm thinking either she's mui mysterioso white council lady or she's gonna die soon

Green: probably the former

Orange: hmm

Orange: hopefully both

Orange: i'd dig that

Green: mui mysterioso white council necromancer lady, I mean

Orange: ohoho

Orange: i actually don't know who this chick is

Green: also I bet mui mysterioso white council necromancer guy is his dad

Orange: wait is harry a greycoat

Green: his wizard, non-evil dad

Green: ebeneezer scrooge

Green: dad #3

Orange: ebenezer is the best dad a man can ask for

Orange: he is also based

Orange: and you'll find what he's based on soon hopefully

Green: if I'm right about dustin being the zombie, that's all three of his "dead beat" dads in one book

Orange: OHHHHHH

Orange: OHHHHHHHHHHHH

Orange: I DIDNT

Orange: GET THAT PUN

Orange: FSFHSFSHFSFHSFh

Green: in a recentish book I found out he's the white council dark magic wet work guy

Orange: i hope you're right

Orange: i thought it was just the simple

Orange: dead beat, he's a PI on a 'beat' about dead things

Green: (a couple chapters ago he talked to his dead dad #1 in a dream)

Orange: awwwwwwwwww

Orange: his pops is also based

Orange: based illusionist

Green: idk what a greycoat is

Green: so, maybe

Orange: ah

Orange: probs not then

Orange: hopefully he bonds nicely with his new comrades

Green: if you mean white council dark magic wetwork guy then no

Orange: are you talking about

Orange: the BLACKSTAFF

Orange: =u=

Green: uh, I'm talking about dad #3

Orange: yes, ebenezer

Orange: he's the blackstaff

Orange: his wetwork staff is black

Green: ah! yeah

Orange: he can unleash some fresh hell that boy

Orange: fresh and piping hot hell

Orange: do they tell stories about the satellite yet

Orange: or are you not there yet

Green: OK yeah actually I'm super thinking kumori (mui mysterioso white council necromancer lady) is bookg girl

Orange: mmmm

Green: never heard of a satellite

Orange: ok

Orange: well when you hear about it, again, fresh hell

Orange: i mean i guess the vampire war is only just begun here right

Green: bc Harry tellsbook girl his plan and they kiss (!!!) and she talks abt responsibility and he's like "huh never heard someone without great power talk abt responsibility like that"

Orange: ahahahahahhahahaha

Orange: freaking jim butcher amirite

Green: and as soon as he leaves, Kumori shows up like "Hey dresden I'm going to need you to leave town before you do some incredibly stupid shit

Green: oh he didn't phrase it like that

Green: and yeah they kiss and she's like "I only kissed you bc it's been so long since I got any" and he's like "same"

Green: book girl, I mean, not kumori

Green: unless they're the same person, in which case, uh, yeah

Orange: hahahahahaha

Green: l love all this mysterious identity stuff

Green: its so fun trying to guess which characters are which

Green: and now I'm pretty dang confident book girl isn't his hot sister

Green: bc she seemed like a kind of good person

Green: sword bro just showed up lol

Green: dresden calls in the wardens so it's not a huge surprise

Green: morgan

Orange: hmmm

Orange: ahahaha

Orange: MORGAN

Orange: that's sword bro's name

Orange: i like him

Green: yeah me too

Green: l love how much he despises harry

Green: they just gave him a gray cloak

Green: so l think that might have something to do with what you were talking about

Green: HIS NAME IS DONALD???

Green: Donald Morgan…

Green: and now she's making him the wizard chief of police?

Green: geeze

Green: oh!!!!

Green: book girl is coin girl

Green: that's surprising

Green: good twist, very good twist

Orange: ehehehe

Orange: heheehehehe

Orange: aahahahahaa i keep

Orange: accidentally spoiling things

Orange: that happen in this exact book

Orange: darnit

Green: lol

Orange: if you hear anything about satellites let me know

Green: l guess like you said it's a book a lot happensin

Green: oh yeah, apparently a couple books ago l found out that dad #3 called down a satellite to kill a bunch of vamps

Green: and also apparently some vamps went batshit (heh) and broke all the rules to get back at the council

Orange: HAAHAHA

Orange: finally

Orange: that's the good stuff right there

Orange: do you see the fresh hell this man can raise

Orange: this is a powerful man

Orange: maybe

Orange: maybe one day, harry can have war stories of his own

Green: l mean he kinda already does right?

Orange: well yeah

Green: there was that time he died and teamed up with his own ghost

Green: that was cool as heck

Orange: but he isn't making nasa mad right

Green: lol no

Orange: he's not at the cosmic scale of fresh hellraising

Orange: not yet

Orange: actually idk if he'll ever be as good as dad#3

Orange: i feel like the author sorta respects how he does power scaling? so much older talented wizards beat young talent hands down

Orange: because those are the ones that survived to be that old and accrued more power and knowledge

Orange: so i feel like harry may do mr blackstaff proud but, you know, not surpass him. Not without serious help i reckon

Green: yeah that makes sense

Green: also he made out with book girl a little more before banishing her to the depths of his twisted mind

Orange: eheheheheheheehaehehaehahehahe

Orange: the temptation

Orange: such a freaking, based thing

Orange: and you know, he's fRIENDS WITH MICHAEL

Orange: HE HAS A DEMON IN HIS HEAD

Green: lol

Orange: HOW WILL HE TELL MICHAEL

Green: yeah that's going to be fun

Orange: imagine, he tells him, and michael just freaking kills him

Orange: just lops his head off

Orange: end of dresden

Green: you know l bet he could ask michael for an exorcism

Green: l think he thinks he has it under control tho

Green: bc he's an IDIOT

Orange: it wouldn't be half bad right, but idk. Michael gives denarians the opportunity to repent and all, but he doesn't succeed a lot of the time

Orange: he is SO STUPID

Orange: I LOVE HOW DUMB HARRY IS

Green: yeah!!!

Orange: HES A DETECTIVE BUT HIS IQ IS 2

Green: hahaha exactly

Orange: like i get it though, he sees it's a problem but just like

Orange: he's got a lot of problems!

Green: yeah

Orange: Why care about this one in particular!

Orange: On the backburner

Orange: bet he feels his back burning

Green: and earlier he's like "who's this zombie guy who really hates me and looks hella familiar?"

Green: "eh, it'll keep

Green: "l doubt it's all that important"

Orange: HAHAHA

Orange: he never learns

Orange: and he always solves problems the dumb way

Green: oh lol the t-rex skeleton has been mentioned thrice now

Orange: and this actually isn't so bad if he survives right

Orange: he'll get a reputation for being an idiot 600 pound gorilla in your china shop

Orange: so be nice, yeah?

Green: and he just called the fairy in charge of all the predatory ghosts

Orange: be nice

Orange: THE FREAKING

Orange: HUNT

Orange: GET READY FOR THE GOOD STUFF

Green: l wonder if something will happen with the t rex skeleton

Orange: wow

Orange: why would you even

Orange: imply

Green: :thinking face:

Orange: insinuate

Orange: that something would ever happen with that

Orange: in a book about necromancers in chicago

Orange: i'm hurt, offended even

Green: hahahaha

Green: there's one in denver too

Green: but l think the denver one is fake so it doesn't get damaged, whereas earlier this book Harry made sure to point out that the one in chicago is the real deal

Green: aha, and now he just found the magic book everyone is looking for

Green: what a good idea

Orange: harry is incredibly smart and responsible

Green: "better summon the erl king so no one else can summon him first!"

Orange: yes!

Orange: he's very good!

Green: "better find that book that only l know how to find, so that no one else finds it on accident!"

Orange: did he ask bob anything weird as this goes down

Orange: or is that a different book

Green: jesus pesus harry if you'd just stayed out of it none of this would be happening!!!

Orange: or like, closer to the start

Green: bob got kidnapped

Green: uhhh IDK

Orange: NO POOR BOB

Orange: see idk how this story goes

Green: because bob was himmler's skull before he was dustin's (before he was harry's)

Orange: we have, interesting times ahead, you know

Orange: of course

Green: and when he remembers being himmler's skull he turns evil

Orange: ok so you've been introduced to Robert.

Orange: i'm calling evil bob robert

Green: but harry said "under no circumstances are you to remember that, even if someone orders you to"

Orange: i decided today, right now

Green: that's cute

Green: yeah l think that's v sensible

Orange: well harry used up his one brain cell ordering bob to not be evil

Orange: so you know the rest of the book is gonna be good while his brain cell recovers

Green: lol yeah exactly

Orange: you have only a handful of books to go before getting to Changes

Green: like 4

Orange: and like, that's a banger, and then bangers get more frequent down the line

Green: I got a ebox set

Green: 7-12, and changes is the last one

Orange: i don't remember how many bangers there were before Changes but that's because that book freaking changed the scale of what a banger is for the dresden files

Orange: changes is an appropriate finale to the set

Green: that and the fact it has a very different title from the previous 11 books made me think it might be important in some way

Orange: what with <rot13>JULQVQLBHPYVPXGUVF</rot13> dying and all

Green: l assume l shouldn't click that

Orange: gosh darnit

Orange: you took my dang joke without clicking it

Orange: it's safe to click

Green: lol

Green: huh

Green: mysterious necromancer zombie guy was a demon guy who harry defeated in the demon coin book

Green: l don't remember him at all lol

Orange: oh who is he

Green: ldk

Orange: is he the one with the tie

Green: snake man

Orange: oh

Green: he just dropped a ton of snakes on harry

Orange: yeah idk most of the coins

Orange: i just want

Green: l mean l think he's a coin guy?

Orange: coin puns from them

Green: "former Knight of the Order of the Blackened Denarius"

Orange: "if i had a nickel" "penny for your thoughts" etc etc

Green: hahaha

Green: he just said "Payback isa bitch" which is kind of coin-related, kinda

Orange: that's fair

Green: l don't know who this guy is but it's looking like this book isn't going to have 3 dads in it

Green: maybe it'll only have 1

Green: which is such a bummer for the book titled "Dead Beat"

Orange: one can only hope for as many dads as possible

Orange: but actually

Orange: for a book named dead beat...

Orange: isn't no dads appropriate

Green: l guess?

Green: but there should be more dad themes

Green: l mean it's cool that dad #1 showed up for his first ever appearance

Green: l was hoping for dad #2 as well

Green: maybe mui mysterioso white council necromancer guy will be dad #2? that'd be interesting

Orange: you got a dream of biodad, you got a uhh, you got the necro dad's crew sliding in, and dad number three is probably dropping fresh hell on vamps rn

Green: wait, no it wouldn't

Green: necro dad wasn't even part of the crew, right? he was just on the wardens and when they confiscated all of himmler's stuff he was like "mama mia check out all this great necromancy stuff; l've gotta learn me some of that!"

Orange: i don't remember that, i mean

Orange: necros are barely a crew, they just want the same thing

Orange: and once they see it they'll probably turn on one another

Green: yeah, but l mean, he was kind of a small fry right?

Orange: mmmaaayybe

Green: yeah yeah

Orange: prob

Orange: i mean he got killed by a teenage dresden

Orange: who must have only just been growing his brain cell

Green: it seems to me like they were studying under the master himself, and dustin was just doing his best with the master's reminders and to do lists or w/e

Orange: fair

Green: …his name is justin

Green: not dustin

Orange: dustin dumourne

Orange: dudu

Green: hm ok

Green: so l guess when harry dies, it's going to be doing the right thing and alone

Green: l wonder if these moment-of-death prophecies/curses are in some way foreshadowing how his death is going to be important

Orange: I bet he will just do a nuke

Orange: Or if he gets powerful, do a mass extinction event

Green: just kill literally every vampire

Orange: Lol just eradicate a whole vampire court

Orange: Or all of them except tommyboy

Green: a progenitor curse on an important demon

Green: bc it seems like the red ones might be of demonic descent in some way

Green: and the white ones definitely are

Orange: Huh, didn't have that lore in my memory

Orange: That is kinda smart

Green: and who cares about the black ones since l think there's basically one

Green: and he might have dealt with her already by that time

Green: omg

Green: omg he just said that the white council only prohibits using necromancy on humans

Green: ong

Green: omg l think l know where this is going

Green: OMG YES

Green: HES DOING IT

Green: THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

Green: also Cowl (mui mysterioso white council necromancer guy) said that he was the only one of the necromancers who thought dresden could actually contain the erlking, and kumori said Cowl respects harry

Green: so yeah l'm thinking maybe he's definitely dad #3

Green: or maybe…just maybe…Morgan?

Green: l mean that's a long shot

Green: Morgan seemed pretty into the whole "dark magic is super evil and only for evil people" thing

Green: and it didn't seem like he had a subtle bone in his entire body

Green: heh, bone

Green: but…maybe

Green: 5% chance

Green: and if it is him, l'll feel like a genius

Green: l mean, l'll feel super disappointed, because what a dumb twist that would be

Green: boss lady is shit talking morgan, and Morgan stomps up and start shit-talking harry to warden boss lady and turns around and sees harry and the dinosaur standing there

Green:

"Yeah," I told Luccio, and my voice was the only dry thing about me. "I see what you mean."

Green: what the FUCK does this mean???

Green:

I snorted. "Second one we'll hit calls himself Cowl. He's good. I've never seen a wizard stronger than he is, and that includes Ebenezar McCoy."

Green: l wonder if this is foreshadowing in some way

Green: Cowl is taking orders from Bob

Green: by which I mean, Bob

Green: and not Robert

Green: because he's faking!!!

Green: ha! l knew it

Green: l'm a fuckign genius

Green: Ok so apparently Cowl might've just been some random guy? He sure didnt get unmasked

Green: I bet he's still alive

Orange: man why is discord not notifying me

Orange: fkjsgoijedog

Green: I guess it's still possible for him to be Ebenezer, but at the end he seemed pretty evil compared to Ebenezer

Green: But he's definitely in the Senior Council

Orange: oh yeah

Orange: i don't remember who cowl is

Orange: idk if he's even been revealed

Green: He set up a huge double cross on the council, killing hundreds of wizards

Green: Also he tried to become a death god

Orange: oh is that the guy

Orange: nice

Orange: it'd be really dope if it were ebenezer

Green: It would

Orange: but idk, ebenezer is strongly principled even as the wetwork guy

Green: His thing was he wanted to become god of death in order to end death once and for all

Orange: ooohohoho

Orange: noble intentions

Green: At least, that's what the late Kumori seemed to think

Orange: noble intentionssss

Orange: the hero chicago deserves

Green: Yeah!

Orange: though probably wouldn't mean a lack of senescence

Orange: probably would be people decaying into an eternity of suffering as skin and bone eventually

Green: Oof

Green: Yeah that seems plausible

Orange: though i'd hope if you put a body in a blender you'd be able to cease consciousness even if the individual cells are alive

Orange: also an end of death in general? Cutting your steak from a cow that won't die....

Green: If I were him I'd be looking at half vampirism

Orange: yeah

Orange: but he might want to be an altruist

Orange: and save more than himself

Green: But if they need human blood specifically then it's not very scalable

Orange: yeah it ain't

Green: No that's what I mean

Orange: oh haha

Green: If everyone is a half vampire then that might be better than everyone dying

Green: But I cant remember what their requirements are

Orange: yeah idk about that one

Orange: there aren't too many easy tickets to immortality that don't involve soul crushing changes to how you operate

Green: If they just need animal blood then it's a super good idea modulo dying if they ever kill someone

Green: So that would be the angle I'd work

Orange: i mean this is a world where merlin is a thing

Orange: so the grail, philosopher's stone, elixir of life

Orange: one could write in an avenue towards the goal that readers may already assume exists in the world

Green: Yeah, but, those must have drawbacks right?

Orange: hmm

Green: I mean maybe not

Orange: hmmMm

Orange: uncertain

Orange: but it'd be cool if it did

Orange: no free lunch

Green: Oh yeah

Green: I think a story about finding the grail or w/e and trying to work around its bs would be cool

Green: I'm just saying, if I personally had Cowl's goals, I'd be pursuing a solution to the downsides of vampirism, not trying to become a death god

Orange: right right

Orange: manufacture synthetic blood

Orange: though it'd suck if harry progenitorcursed-away vampirism when he had those plans

Orange: you'll see when you get to the book Final Solution how he handles the vamps

Green: Figure out a way to stop people from succumbing to their hunger so that the whole plan isn't insanely dangerous

Green: LOL

Orange: i'm sorry i had to

Orange: the idea of vamp genocide is fun

Orange: genocide? kinocide?

Orange: kinocide

Orange: because they have kin

Green: Genocide seems appropriate

Orange: not all vamps have babby

Orange: some have, well, bite-babby

Green: Yeah I guess but they use the same words for it

Green: I mean, they use incredibly archaic words for it

Green: But that's just because they're old

Orange: hehehehe

Orange: i believe, magically speaking

Orange: when a vamp bites another vamp, and they turn into a full vamp, that's their offspring?

Orange: otherwise progenitor curse wouldn't work right

Green: Right

Green: I mean, we don't even know that such a curse exists

Green: Well, I don't

Green: Maybe you do

Orange: well why wouldn't it

Green: IDK, I think it could

Orange: Curses exist, using blood for curses exist, or hair, and surely familial ties count as a connection

Orange: hm, but then it'd be way too easy to kidnap a magician's family member and do a cursing

Green: But watch Harry say in the next book that comes out "ha, you'd think so, but killing someone using their family isn't possible, even for really dark magic" and then give some sort of sensible explanation

Orange: lol that'd be a thing wouldn't it

Orange: he'd go on to explain that science and magic aren't precisely the same and that isolating the genes that connect people to their family members is an ongoing area of research in cursology

Green: Hahaha

Orange: how fast are you reading these books

Orange: from what i can see it's a pretty brisk pace

Green: So, I'm a little bit BSing here, but I think that part of the idea with the primogeniture curse is that if your parents had never existed, you wouldn't be around. So it would be a one-way type deal, and probably need a lot of power

Orange: wait

Orange: so you'd need a parent or you'd need a kid?

Green: Like in the porn one there was a lady doing a bunch of bad luck curses and she needed to do them at certain times

Green: You'd need a parent

Orange: hmmm

Orange: hMMMM

Orange: HMMMMMM

Orange: yeah i get it, makes more sense if it's a parent

Green: Also just dramatically makes more sense. Cant deal with the demon who created all vampires using some dark magic and a random vamp, but if you had him at your mercy and a heck of a lot of dark magic, you could probably do a vampicide

Green: A hemocide

Green: Ah and to answer you question, I read the first 5 and a half over the course of three days, I read the rest of #6 a few months later, and I finished #7 today

Green: So uh, either pretty dang quickly, or pretty dang slowly, depending on your point of view

Green: Since, it's taken me like 6 months to read 7 of them

Green: But 3 days to read 5 of them

Orange: hmmm

Orange: yeah if you uh

Orange: continue to talk to me about what you read

Orange: i enjoy it

Orange: because i remember VERY LITTLE except for whatever lore is needed for future reference

Orange: i started reading the dresden files when i was a wee babby

Orange: by this i mean, when i was a college freshman

Orange: a fresh man, if you will

Green: Yeah, I also read 1-4 a million years ago

Green: So I read them again to catch up

Orange: hahahaha

Green: And, yeah, I love talking about what I'm reading! I'll definitely keep giving you all my really good predictions

Orange: yeah i love them actually

Green: I'm pretty disappointed I was so wrong about book girl

Orange: you win some you lose some

Green: Yeah

Green: oh I'd forgotten about Gatekeeper

Green: so, yeah, I guess there's 3 suspects for the identity of Cowl - Gatekeeper, Ebenezer, and Merlin

Green: I'm changing my guess to Gatekeeper

Green: oh and Injun Joe

Green: I don't think it's Injun Joe

Green: and I think he has an alibi

#hemocide cw #dead beat spoilers #dresden files spoilers #dresden files #the story continues

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