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Y’all can’t be Patrick Girlies for real

Controversial opinion but I want Patrick to leave those people alone! YUP!! He’s a big reason why I can’t just say yes to the throuple. He genuinely deserves so much better and I want him to have that. Like he just feels so immensely tragic to me which is why I can look past his transgressions and the parts that makes him shitty. Throughout the film you just see how deeply he feels. Especially towards Art. And do either of those people get it? Not really. It feels so heavy and visceral and it they don’t really seem to see it. Especially Art. Like Patrick really loved that man and he did not feel the same way. And that’s not me denying Art’s bisexuality. That’s my blonde bisexual king!! And that’s not say that Art didn’t have feelings for Patrick. He 100% did have feelings for Patrick! That's literally the entire problem. Art’s feelings weren’t as strong as Patrick’s. It’s not as strong as what he feels for Tashi. It is because Art’s feelings were not as strong that Patrick gets unceremoniously dumped by him. Art hates himself for being bisexual. He initially latches onto Patrick because he has all the self confidence and self assurance that he lacks within himself. Develops this bond and deep intimate connection with him. And I’d imagine no other relationships he’s experienced come close to his attraction and feelings for Patrick, until Tashi. Tashi comes in and blows his world wide open. And immediately he feels so viscerally drawn to her, in a way that even transcends Patrick. And when you are a repressed bisexual that wants to deny your bisexuality, you are gonna latch onto that person for dear!! That’s an undercurrent to Tashi’s and Art’s relationship. Like he really met Tashi and was like “Great!! I don’t have to do this gay shit anymore!!! Thank God! I was getting worried for a second.” And then he loses her to Patrick!!! That’s where the bitterness and resent creeps in! Because not only is he not with the girl of his dreams, but Patrick just reminds him of how he’s still bisexual! It didn’t just go away! That’s why he can cut that man off.

This leaves Patrick reeling. Like his life falls into the pits of hell. His career is in shambles. He can’t seem to make any more meaningful connections with people. The only source of joy in his life is picking at Tashi, because she will let him. Because he wants to matter to someone even if it is kinda messed up. And then we get to the sauna scene and Art’s infamous “I’m too old to be bisexual” speech!! Like yeah, Patrick was trying to pick at him (because it was part of their dynamic as kids) but then you see Patrick being genuine and vulnerable and Art doesn’t see it at all! That shit hits me in the chest!!

Then we have the ending! Where Art smiles at Patrick during that last point, and you just see Patrick light up. Not in a fiery way like it was with Art, but in this soft way. And then drops his racket just catch him and hold him. Like are you kidding me!!!!

Patrick deserves to be loved like that, and y’all really think Patrick being in a throuple with Art and Tashi is where he is gonna find it? He craves intimacy. He tells Art that nobody wants to marry and “that’s not what he’s for.” He plays it off as a joke, but it hurts him. He wants to be chosen. He wants to belong to somebody(ies). I don’t want him to settle because Art and Tashi satisfy his craving to be needed. I want him to get the closure that he needs from them, and they can still be in his life in some capacity. But I want him to find someone(s) else tbh. Patrick really suffered a lot for no real reason. Art and Tashi more or less were able to get along fine. While he gets mocked, ridiculed, beaten, spat on, and treated like he doesn’t matter. And for what? He didn’t do anything worthy of this energy. All he did was be true to himself and surround himself with inauthentic people who hated him for it!! “Well he needs to be there because he forces them to be real.” After everything he went through, that’s all he gets? It doesn’t move me, sorry!!! This is not trying to say that anyone is a villain because no one is a villain. They are all going through it in their own ways, and don’t deal with their pain and issues in the best way at times. But Patrick feels so deeply tragic in a way the other two do not. He really should leave those people alone to navigate their epic failmarriage! While he finds someone(s) that isn’t afraid to be real and doesn’t hate/resent his authenticity. Someone(s) that understands his desire for intimacy that isn’t just relate to sex and gives it to him! TLDR: Patrick deserves better than them.

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Skepticism about the Throuple

Now before I get booed. I’ll have you know when I first watch the film, I was definitely team throuple!! It was when I saw it again that I was less enthusiastic about them as a throuple. I think that’s very much the fault of the film itself, if they are supposed to be a throuple we’ve should have seen more of them together as a threesome!!! We focused primarily on the three pairings! It didn’t have to be them in an official threesome. So we can see how them being together is their best state. It mainly comes down to the fact that we sort of talk about them conceptually and we don’t actually see them really mesh well together as polycule. Yes, I believe that they would 100% go back to that hotel after the match and bang it out. But an actually poly relationship? They are all way too dysfunctional for all that. They are not even functionally dysfunctional. The idea is that other person can come in and triangulate whenever each pairing has a problem. I don’t see that happening. They very much would just start ganging up on each other. None of them would really help diffuse the situation. Tashi would feed into the conflict between Patrick and Art. When Patrick and Tashi would get into it, Art would take Tashi’s side. And if things are bad with Art and Tashi, Patrick would just come in to undermine their relationship. Like…. I feel like they’d need therapy to make it work, but if they actually got therapy I’m not sure if any of them would stay together. I get the idea that they do a throuple instead of therapy and just don’t think it could work without therapy. That’s if therapy doesn’t just get them to severe these relationships for good. Idk maybe I need to watch it again to regain my interest in them together.

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Let’s talk Tennis

Now this is the tennis fan in me taking things a little too seriously. But as I continue to think about Challengers and I have rewatched the film again, I’m kinda looking at Tashi a little bit side ways. One thing people always talk about is how Tashi coulda/shoulda/woulda been this amazing player had she not been injured. And it’s not to say she wouldn’t have been. But she’s never actually had to put her money where her mouth is. And her being a great tennis coach for Art does not mean she could have been a major contender in her own career. I mean how good of a player was Richard Williams? Honestly, most of these coaches don’t have anything to their name. It’s a little convenient she got injured right before she actually had to make the transition. We never actually get to see whether or not Tashi had what it takes. We are all supposed to believe that because someone she beat in the junior league means she would have been on top. That’s not how tennis works. But she can forever believe that she was robbed of greatness based on her results in the junior league and college. Like okay…. And it’s like sis could have been proven herself. She wants to be the goat, but the goats were out there winning slams or at least coming close at her age. While she was playing against players she can easily crush.

So my theory is that Tashi prioritized attention over tennis. She liked being the big fish in a small pond. She liked being seen as special. That’s why her fight with Patrick rattled her so much. The idea that she’s not special affected her so much it breaks her knee and ends her tennis career. Does she really have the mental toughness to actually be a good tennis player? Idk. Cuz to me, she prioritized her ego over tennis. It cost her dearly, which is why I feel like she can’t feel satisfaction over what she’s actually accomplished. Because when she was playing tennis, her main focus wasn’t really tennis. She didn’t want her only skill in life to be tennis. She chose going to college over her tennis career because of education and branding!! To me her commitment to the sport only really showed its head after her accident. She was even being dodgy about going pro when she was playing at Stanford. Tashi is too stuck on what’s she’s lost, and she allows it to overshadow the fact that she did want other things. There were other things that were important to her and might have even been more important than tennis.

Also as much as what happened to Tashi breaks my heart, I wished folks stopped downplaying what she was able to accomplish. Only Tashi is allowed to do that, and it is very much a character flaw of hers. Because as a tennis fan, I don’t think y’all understanding why Tashi can be right alongside Art in the Aston Martin campaign. Because you have this 20-something year old girl coaching her boyfriend into winning titles and slams?!? Are you kidding me?!? Women don’t even be having female coaches like that! Please!!! A young biracial/black woman coaching her white husband into being one greatest American male tennis player’s we’ve seen since Pete Sampras and Andre Agassi?!? The last American man to win a grand slam was Andy Roddick! Especially when you factor in her story. You think folks wouldn’t eat that up? Hollywood would be making a movie about her!!! She’s gonna be the one making book deals!! She would be the reason why the GP would even know or talk about Art. And the best thing about it is that Art would completely feed into it and hype it up.

And folks be disrespecting Art too much. Calling that man a mediocre player. First off, he was a finalist in the junior grand slam alongside Patrick. There’s also nothing mediocre about winning six grand slams guys. And who even knows how many titles he has. So why folks acting like he wasn’t a great tennis player is crazy to me. Only Art gets to believe that he’s not as talented as Tashi and Patrick. This is very much a character flaw. He is a great tennis player, he just struggles to believe it because he has such a low self esteem. Tashi from the jump thought he was a good player. Art just didn’t have the confidence because he’s bisexual and hates himself. He just assumes people are better than him because they have what he lacks within himself. The idea that he couldn’t be a big tennis star without Tashi’s coaching is silly to me. Congratulations, he has a great tennis coach! Most athletes need great coaching to get them where they need to go especially when performing at that high level. I don’t think Tashi is so singular that Art couldn’t find someone else to coach him to grand slams, the only reason why he couldn’t win is because he needs Tashi in order to give a damn. So all folks are really saying is that man was able to win all those titles just to please his wife. Y’all that’s absolutely nuts. Seriously imagine the monster Art would be if he did care? So in conclusion, we are kinda feeding into both Tashi’s and Art’s delusions. We have no way of determining if Tashi would have been a great professional player. Just because her junior league rival is a tennis star four years after the fact does not mean Tashi would have been huge. We are being a little bit delusional. And Art is not a mediocre player. Because even if we like to pretend that the junior league is a measure of talent, Art was literally right along side Patrick. Like he was the second best player in that tournament, that’s not mediocrity…. Art just deludes himself into thinking he’s not great because he hates himself.

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Yeah no. You do not have to okay with queer writers burying their gays especially when they do it like this!!!! Like Jen lost the love of her life and instead of dealing with that grief we immediately cut to her being happy with her cute heteronormative family. And oh look Judy is responsible for bringing them together as she was fucking dying. Please tell me how this was different from a hetero writer writing this mess? It reads to me as the same type of stunts they would pull. 

okay i can understand why people are mad about the dead to me ending but like...to me it was full circle about a show about grief and the circle of grief? the show was always about death and the rippling aftermath of death?

i mean, sure, it was also about women doing crimes and cop dodging, but the main plot is not always the theme, the theme was always death and grief and the circle of life and death and how everything is a circle

and knowing a queer woman wrote it makes me a lot more okay with the bury your gays trope because it's written by a queer woman? it sucks, sure, to watch another queer character die, but queer people are allowed to kill queer characters to tell the story they want to tell.

i think this was always where the story was going; full circle back to the beginning, where jen just lost a partner, and has to find her way in a new life. except now she has... more. she was lost before, but judy brought into her life the tools to deal with this next cycle of death and grief. she helped her become a better mother, a better person, a better friend. she helped her family through grief. she equipped her for the path forward. that's the message. you can't run from death, you can't escape it, you cant will it away through anger and determination, sometimes you have to accept it and instead ask, "What did the life bring me?"

jen went full circle because that's the story, and as much as i wanted those two women to fall in love, raise a baby together, and live happily ever after, that was never what the show was about. as ted dies, a new life (judy's partnership) begins. as judy dies, a new life (joey) begins. as the story ends, a new one begins (will ben forgive her).

as devastating as judy's death is, it isn't a surprise.

the show is called dead to me, after all.

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NEVER HAVE I EVER S3 SPOILERS AHEAD

So I just finished watching season 3 of NHIE. And I can confidently say this is the worst season of the show. For many reasons.

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For starters the season felt all over the place with no real direction. The pacing was awful. Felt like the show cut out on some of its best elements starting with Devi’s family and her family’s dynamics. Something that was central to the first 2 season fell to the background in season 3. It is completely bizarre decision because Poorna is the best actress and is was playing on of the most compelling characters on the show. Yet, she was cut out of the season like this. Also hated what they did to Kamala’s storyline. She literally couldn’t get married because she didn’t feel ready and wanted to focus on other areas of her life and yet the entire storyline centered around her boyfriend. We also barely saw any real backlash from her family.

Next up we have the whole Aneesa and Fabiola storyline. What was even the point of that subplot. Maybe I just didn’t get it but it really served zero purpose to either characters or the plot. And the worst part is is how the dropped Aneesa like a hot potato once they decided they didn’t want to do it anymore. 

I should also just take the time to highlight the weird fatphobia that keeps happening in the show. It was just Eric at first and now Mrs. Paloma? Idk her name, she was a teacher. 

Even the sessions with Dr. Ryan weren’t even good or as productive as they used to be in season 1 or 2. Mr. Shapiro was MIA. Also I am a bit pissed that we never found out how anyone did on the AP exam. It was a running joke for 3 seasons that Facing History was not from the AP curriculum with the characters complaining about how it didn’t prepare them for the AP exam. It felt hollow and empty that a class that we spent so much time in, just faded into the background like it didn’t matter.  

It’s finally time to talk about the husband(s). Points if you get that reference. 

Let’s start with our newbie, Des. Des was fine. I honestly didn’t find him that special or compelling. I just liked that at least Devi felt good about herself while she was with him. I was glad she was happy. I was glad for the representation of it all. That Mindy finally broke down and allowed her self-insert to date an Indian man. I know that is a big deal for her. But he was kinda lame as a character, but it is not his fault. He was essential a plot device. They actively refused to deepen his character even when there were several perfect places to drop any nugget. It was the same with his mother. There were scenes where I was watching and I was screaming “Say something!! Say anything about yourselves!!!” And then they don’t. It was so annoying. There were opportunities to give these characters more life. But instead they did this. Hated it. 

Next we are gonna talk about Paxton. So despite Daxton and Season 3 flopping this was actually a great season for Paxton. Like his character really seems to have grown and matured the most out of everybody on this show and it isn’t even a competition. What I don’t understand is how can we have that, but we don’t have Daxton? Also weird that their shared emotional growth they got from the relationship didn’t mean shit to Devi at the end. Someone needs to help me understand why despite Paxton constantly affirming her, the show treats it like it means nothing.  It’s all trash, because he isn’t as smart as Devi? That they have different interests?  I feel crazy. Like she got the hot boyfriend and the hot boyfriend was great! And Devi could just never see that. Is this part of the the show’s overall arc or something (and I will expand on this point in the Ben section). I mean a simple acknowledgement would be nice. But nope. Never not once.  Finally let’s talk about Ben. Ben is the worst character on the show. He is the worst character on the show. He is the worst character on the show. My goodness, Ben is shitty (pun very much intended). Listen, I will admit that season 2 Ben wasn’t that bad, but WOW season 3 Ben is just awful. They doubled down on his worst character traits. We seriously dedicated ANOTHER episode to that clown and it wasn’t even about addressing his smug condescending attitudes towards people. Several people bring this up to him multiple times and he hasn’t changed one bit. We wasted yet another episode pointlessly following Ben around (when the season had serious pacing issues we could have used that episode instead of giving it to that waste man), and what he got out of that was he needs to study less. WHO THE FUCK CARES!!!!! That was such a deeply unserious episode. Again I have to wonder is this part of some overarching plot? Because what the hell is this? 

Let me expand on why I wonder if this is a part of some overarching for Devi and the love triangle. Throughout the season Ben would highkey neg Devi. PLEASE tell me I wasn’t the only one that caught that shit. PLEASE tell me y’all saw that shit. Like that boy made a note about Devi wanting to kiss some guy, showed up, and started ragging on her. And you could tell he did it because if he made her feel bad enough she will want him. When she would still get/chase after guys after his failed at negging he would look all sad and hurt. And he would do this throughout the season. I mean the basis of the final scene, was him saying he would have sex with her if she is on her deathbed a still a virgin. They have the audacity to sprinkle in some moments of semi-human decent behavior, and sometimes Devi would actually buy into that  crap. Which had me thinking, stay with me, what if Devi’s attraction to Ben is related to her low self worth? Because why else would you like a person that spends most of their time cutting you down? Please explain it to the class. It’s either that or Mindy and Lang are truly pathetic people if they think Ben is a viable love interest. I do question Mindy because her taste is very questionable. She definitely likes guys like this. Anyway back to my theory, since season 1 ended I believed that Devi’s interest in Ben has always come from a place of insecurity.  She didn’t think she “deserved” a guy like Paxton. That he was too “out of her league” or whatever. And that is ultimately what killed their relationship.  But Ben gets second life after negging her for half the season? Why?  All of this and I didn’t even talk about Ben and Aneesa. Ben and Paxton. Ben and Fabiola? Jesus. Again Ben has an ugly personality. I mean Ben antis stand up because we won today. We might have lost the battle but we have won the war. 

Anyway rant over. I would also like to give a big shoutout to Trent and Eleanor. I personally wasn’t as excited about it as some of the fandom was going into season 3. But they got me. They were actually kinda cute, and not because they helped give me Daxton scenes after the breakup. Same with the 5 seconds of Fabiola and Daxton interaction. It was a funny scene.  

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Hello? I was yelling at the screen like you didn’t own your words. Telling lies to the therapist talking about “I’m too hard on her.” No sis you said things that would give the impression that you don’t like her. Talking about that’s not my daughter because some music sheets were missing. You don’t know how to handle Devi? It’s because you can’t handle yourself. That explosive anger you complaining about comes from you sis. Since we are doing therapy I hope we get into that.  

Honestly I’m kind of disappointed that mindy kailing decided to justify the mom’s actions in never have I ever like that. Like a lot of desi kids go through emotional abuse like that and playing it off as “relatable” or something the community just goes through makes it seem like it’s ok. Like that situation obviously isn’t a one time thing and it obviously really fucks with Devi’s character as shown in the Ganesh Puja episode.

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Lol No. Season 2 is probably gonna be her dating Ben while getting closer to Paxton who will probably be pining for her on the side. Ben will be jealous of the relationship. Devi won’t get it, until something happens that will bring Paxton and Devi closer, and that will cause a misunderstanding and fallout with Ben. And then we end up in this weird limbo by the end of the season. 

Paxton!!

I want her with Paxton but I knew Ben would factor in somehow, that boys been secretly in love with her. 

Paxton always saves her so it was interesting when it was Ben who gave her a place to stay and helped with her friends. But a part of me is like that shows they are good friends but not necessarily fit to be romantic partners

Season 2 should be interesting her trying to determine which is a better fit, then probs ending up alone. 

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Thank you. I’m shocked that so many people are rooting for Ben. That’s disgusting. Like his name.  Whatever all I know is that I’m gonna be vindicated in season 2/3  because I know teen dramas and I know Mindy Kaling. And she is a fan of the slow burn and the unattainable hot love interest. And that’s not Ben Gross. 🤷🏿‍♀️ 

Paxton Hall-Yoshida >>>> Ben Gross

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How is Ben endgame material? Everyone knows that the guy that waited too long to make a move is endgame material. That is peak endgame. So have you seen teen dramas? Have you seen Mindy Kaling’s shows? This is so uninformed. Ben is not real. Remember she told the therapist she wanted a man that liked her. Ben is that man. She just likes that there is a man that is pursuing her for a change. She is moved that there is a person that would stay for her, but the person she would do that for is Paxton. I mean sis rebuff Ben twice and now is suddenly into him, and you actually believe that it’s real? Please. 

Alright, so I just watched the entirety of Never Have I Ever on Netflix and let me adress the whole Devi x Paxton/ Devi x Ben thing real quick.

While I do like Paxton and how he helps Devi by not telling the whole school they didn't sleep together and also helping her in the pool, I don't like that he basically says he's better than her. I also don't like how he just ignored or blew her off periodically throughout the episodes.

As for Ben, I don't like how he's been bullying her for years, but I think that the show did a good kinda redemption arc for him. I think he's made up for it a bit. He was there for her when she had nobody else to turn to, and helped her reconnect with her family. He kept her behavior in the model UN from her mom, and brought in Devi's friends when he knew she needed them.

As for the two being with Devi, I think endgame it'll be her and Ben. Hear me out, Paxton is a distraction from her actual problems. She focuses on him to forget everything. Kinda like the therapist says. I think this point is especially clear after she kisses Paxton. She forgets about it when confronted with bad memories and thoughts. And then tries to keep it in her focus to distract herself from her past.

Ben was also a crutch there for a while, or maybe his house was a crutch. But the difference is Devi seems to like him in the end. After she confronts her family issues, let's go of her father's death, and reunites with her friends he's still there. And she kisses him after all that. He's not a distraction, he's real.

So yeah, I think Devi and Ben are endgame.

I really suck at getting my thoughts out, so I hope all this makes sense, it does when I'm thinking about it.

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Uhh Stelena was the superior ship though? It ended because someone died, became a vampire and got sire bonded to another person. They should have ended up together but the writers were idiots and played out their terrible bad boy fantasy instead. The show dropped in quality when that happened. Frankly we don’t like the brothers love triangle nonsense because it is gross and horrible especially the way Julie writes it. 

Okay here me out:

Hafael is a better ship than handon and here is why:

Hafael has such good chemistry and even if it is just a friendship it has the potential to be more and Handon just feels too rushed and Hafael even though it isn’t canon yet, has gone at a really good pace of them becoming friends and trusting each other. Everyone has there opinions and I respect that. Also handon reminds me of Stelena and we know how that ended

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But he was though. He brought it up and then MirrorIris was like,” I had to learn how to make pancakes because you’re always leaving me, Barry!!!” And then Barry is like maybe I am tripping. They are just pancakes and it is not hard to learn how to make them, and Joe told me that it’s fine that you are acting different. That is a part of marriage.  idk why y’all keep peddling this narrative. He does notice something is off, but MirrorIris picks a fight with him anytime he says something. And she usually picks at his insecurities to make him feel like the fight is his fault and he needs to be the one to bridge the gap.  

I still can’t get over how it took one conversation for Iris to notice she was talking to a fake/possessed Barry, yet Barry wasn’t the least bit suspicious when Iris suddenly knew how to make pancakes properly.

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This is Josh erasure. He was on the show for all 5 seasons of the originals. Also who was the LGBTQ man in TVD? I can’t remember, was this in the later seasons? Because I dropped that hoe after season 6. But, yes ball dropped. I mean not even a random extra character is gay/bi. How ridiculous. But Julie is an actual moron so I’m not surprised. Like I am 99.99% sure that we only got Josh and Freya because she was busy with TVD. 

one huge probably i have with legacies is they’ll introduce all these random lgbt female characters and not go in any deeper with them and there’s NONE LGBT MEN at all in the show?? even in tvd and the originals there was only 1 and he got killed off so fast it’s ridiculous how they don’t have any bi or gay men it’s like they don’t exist

I agree with you. I actually thought about this during the finale–where are the queer men?

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Lol MirrorIris is stunting in Iris’s wardrobe. Hope real Iris takes this as a sign to step it up again. 

Iris outfit was cute (like always)😍 Now I’m mad I didn’t see her in it more😤

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Yes! Every time he notices something is off, she presses on his insecurities so that he will take any affection she gives him.  I mean the first episode of the switch, he literally said something happened the night before and she blew up at him. 

dang evil Iris was still able to give barry the speech he needed to stop thawne

and yall still think barry isn’t being gaslit

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Yup. I clocked her ass too. Was hoping Landon would call her ass out and they would become best nerd friends. I’m ready for lizdon to rise. 

I called it!!!

Ok I will get to hosie bits from this episode in a minute.

But Lizzie is a freaking nerd!!! I fucking called. I wrote this in a fic months ago. Vindication!!!

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Don’t mind the children. This is what happens when you’ve been conditioned to like objectively horrible male characters. Wholesome unproblematic ones are “boring” and being in a wholesome relationship is terrible. Like oh no, he is supportive and kind and makes her so happy. What a demon. But whatever people have their own ships. But folks not liking Landon are weird to me. I just hope that these people and the writers don’t ruin him by making him have some stupid “dark” side.  I don’t want to see it. We’ve seen it enough times. It’s more radical to keep wholesome men wholesome. I don’t care if he ever gets cool amazing awesome kickass powers. 

Since I’ve rejoined the Legacies fandom, I’ve noticed a strong distaste for Landon and his romantic relationship with Hope. At least half of this fandom dislikes his character in general. Either his personality’s boring, his powers are lame, or he’s simply in the way of another ship. These are opinions that have been expressed time and time again so I’ll just spice things up with a few of my own:

1) Landon is one of my favorite characters in the show. I think it’s refreshing that he doesn’t fit the “hero” stereotype. He’s a humble, awkward dork and can’t look at Hope WITHOUT the heart eyes. And don’t even get me started on his name.

2) His Phoenix abilities are anything BUT lame and I probably wouldn’t have liked his character as much if he was just a human or vampire. Or any other supernatural being we know by name.

3) There wouldn’t be a plot to Legacies OR a central villain without Landon and his blood relation to Malivore.

4) I have my list of ships just like everyone else in the fandom. A handful of them are Hope-centric but Handon wears the crown. But more than anything, I ship Hope with HAPPINESS and guess what? Landon makes her happy! At the very least, acknowledge that.

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Yeah Raf needs to go. He serves no purpose. I don’t want him to die. I mean Landon would be devastated. He just reconnected with his father. Idk why we couldn’t have just kept him there. But the fact that we also have two other black dudes a series regulars who are more interesting, more popular, and more involved with the show than him is telling me his has gotten or is getting the pink slip real soon. 

Honest opinion? Legacies needs to kill some people off. They’ve got too many useless side characters. The core of the series is Hope and the twins. Everyone else is expendable. Doesnt mean kill them all but they need to clean house. It is supposed to be a school so you can always ‘graduate’ them if you dont want to kill them