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[he-speaks]

not-human-never-human i agree with a lot of what you're saying here when standing alone, but I also think there are some areas where more context needs to be considered.

the terfbreaking tag on here doesn't invovle non-consenting people unless someone who's not into it goes on the tag and involves themself, or unless a post is made mentioning a specific TERF in the fantasies (the latter of which I haven't seen happen but I also don't frequent that tag). And it can seem sometimes like people are a little too into it and might want to do this in real life, and while if that did happen it would be horrific, a suspicion isn't enough to condemn something. What you're saying with "if you view yourself as a terf, you are the focal point of their kink whether you like it or not." doesn't quite make sense to me. This seems comparable to saying that anyone who's walking around in open-toes shoes is the focal point of a foot fetishist's attraction so that makes people with feet fetishes bad, and that just comes off as misleading.

The "female-only" spaces issue is a really, really complex one. To start off, I agree that ideally there should be spaces for only people who have female genitals, and there should also be woman-only spaces that include cis and trans women. But when we get into the practical application of this, some issues start to come up.

The only thing I'll say about trans women who try to pressure cis women into having sex with them is that you're right, that's not okay. I do worry some of it may be in bad faith, I'll bring this up again in a second but what about trans women with bottom surgery, where genital preference isn't in play and the only reason to reject them if you were attracted before learning they were trans would be transphobia?

In a "female-only" space, how do they figure out who's trans and who isn't? Do they check everyone's genitals at the door? that seems like an invasion of privacy, not to mention a huge risk of predators taking advantage of being the one to check that. If they don't check everyone, how do they decide? Do they just profile people? Then masculine-looking cis women would be subjected to the trauma of having their genitals confirmed by a stranger and passing trans women would go undetected. There's also the issue of racism, where black women are often mistakenly perceived as more masculine, so likely more black women would be checked than white. Also, what about trans women who have had bottom surgery? Once they don't have a penis and are on every tangible level the same as just a masculine cis woman, are they allowed into female-only spaces?

I'm using #terfbreaking and other tags found around this discourse in order to reach the intended audience, as this discourse is happening as far as I'm aware just around those tags, but I'm not trying to play into the kink or arouse anyone with this post. That being said,

This is not how we should be engaging in politics and debates.

I got this message from rozenn more than 24 hours ago, replied within an hour or two of when it was sent to me. The two images and my reply are the only things that me and this user have said to each other.

I've scrolled through rozenn's blog and found that she's been going through the likes and reblogs on posts in the terfbreaking tag and sending those two images- well, three, I'll elaborate on that in a second- to people engaging with them sexually.

The two images I got say "pornsick" and then "pickme." That second one is the only thing she seems to vary when starting interactions with the people she's messaging. To men like me, she sends "pickme" as the second image, which is an insult that targets females who are seeking male approval. To women, she sends "male" as the second image, which isn't even an insult and is even more blatant misgendering than the pickme image. So it goes from an insult related to the subject matter, to just a misguided ad hominem.

Now a few people I follow have also gotten these messages from her, and they all seem to get the same copy and pasted message in reply. She says "I send the memes to any trans woman caught liking, sharing, or posting rape fantasies towards feminists or lesbians for criticizing trans women or having boundaries. This is for a reflection on their behavior with the proposed goal of being less misogynistic and homophobic."

So she seems to be under the impression that sending these memes will prompt an epiphany where someone decides their actions so far have been wrong. And maybe that works for someone, but overall this is an extremely immature and ineffective way of going about things.

Now I'd seen that rozenn was sending these messages before engaging with #terfbreaking posts, and that's where the first line in my response came from. I then tried to communicate that she was being immature, but if she would actually engage with me, I'd like to talk and hear more about what she thinks about all this.

From the information I have, I can only assume that she hasn't replied further because her copy and paste message would be nonsensical if sent after mine. Maybe she thinks that her position won't hold up in a civilized debate, or maybe she'd just not interested in doing anything but name-calling. I can't confirm any of this without speaking to her more, obviously, but until she clears that up it's the only reason I can think of.

Now I've never had a conversation with a trans-exclusionary radical feminist before, or at least not knowingly and about political topics. I'm extremely interested to, but the opportunity hasn't come around (this is an invitation, by the way! I want to understand TERFs, please message me so we can compare mindsets!). And I have to wonder how often, if at all, people with these beliefs actually have discussions with people who disagree with them. From the posts I've seen, most of their public interactions come down to complete agreement with other TERFs, or "he said, she said" arguments with trans people. What I'm worried about is that they may be experiencing groupthink. Their ideas seem solid when they're talking with people who agree and aren't actively seeking counterpoints, but once faced with educated criticism, they would falter.

This isn't exclusive to TERFs, either. Any group can and does fall into groupthink, and it absolutely happens with people who I agree with as well. This is why I think we should all be promoting and engaging in discussion and debate with people we disagree with, to combat groupthink and lead to still different, but more logically sound beliefs on both sides.

And to anyone who's wished harm upon rozenn, stop. Grow up and learn to debate.

[he-speaks]

Yeah, I mean it is perfectly stereotypical which doesn’t help. I’m of the opinion that no kink or fantasy is wrong as long as it’s done consensually when acted out in real life. However, I also believe in having boundaries— if someone having a specific kink or attraction makes you feel uncomfortable, you’re under no obligation to be friends with them. It just sucks that some people don’t understand both sides of that.

Also, as far as I’m aware, only a small portion of trans women have this kink, so when people treat all trans women as if they’re into terfbreaking that can be an issue.

I'm using #terfbreaking and other tags found around this discourse in order to reach the intended audience, as this discourse is happening as far as I'm aware just around those tags, but I'm not trying to play into the kink or arouse anyone with this post. That being said,

This is not how we should be engaging in politics and debates.

I got this message from rozenn more than 24 hours ago, replied within an hour or two of when it was sent to me. The two images and my reply are the only things that me and this user have said to each other.

I've scrolled through rozenn's blog and found that she's been going through the likes and reblogs on posts in the terfbreaking tag and sending those two images- well, three, I'll elaborate on that in a second- to people engaging with them sexually.

The two images I got say "pornsick" and then "pickme." That second one is the only thing she seems to vary when starting interactions with the people she's messaging. To men like me, she sends "pickme" as the second image, which is an insult that targets females who are seeking male approval. To women, she sends "male" as the second image, which isn't even an insult and is even more blatant misgendering than the pickme image. So it goes from an insult related to the subject matter, to just a misguided ad hominem.

Now a few people I follow have also gotten these messages from her, and they all seem to get the same copy and pasted message in reply. She says "I send the memes to any trans woman caught liking, sharing, or posting rape fantasies towards feminists or lesbians for criticizing trans women or having boundaries. This is for a reflection on their behavior with the proposed goal of being less misogynistic and homophobic."

So she seems to be under the impression that sending these memes will prompt an epiphany where someone decides their actions so far have been wrong. And maybe that works for someone, but overall this is an extremely immature and ineffective way of going about things.

Now I'd seen that rozenn was sending these messages before engaging with #terfbreaking posts, and that's where the first line in my response came from. I then tried to communicate that she was being immature, but if she would actually engage with me, I'd like to talk and hear more about what she thinks about all this.

From the information I have, I can only assume that she hasn't replied further because her copy and paste message would be nonsensical if sent after mine. Maybe she thinks that her position won't hold up in a civilized debate, or maybe she'd just not interested in doing anything but name-calling. I can't confirm any of this without speaking to her more, obviously, but until she clears that up it's the only reason I can think of.

Now I've never had a conversation with a trans-exclusionary radical feminist before, or at least not knowingly and about political topics. I'm extremely interested to, but the opportunity hasn't come around (this is an invitation, by the way! I want to understand TERFs, please message me so we can compare mindsets!). And I have to wonder how often, if at all, people with these beliefs actually have discussions with people who disagree with them. From the posts I've seen, most of their public interactions come down to complete agreement with other TERFs, or "he said, she said" arguments with trans people. What I'm worried about is that they may be experiencing groupthink. Their ideas seem solid when they're talking with people who agree and aren't actively seeking counterpoints, but once faced with educated criticism, they would falter.

This isn't exclusive to TERFs, either. Any group can and does fall into groupthink, and it absolutely happens with people who I agree with as well. This is why I think we should all be promoting and engaging in discussion and debate with people we disagree with, to combat groupthink and lead to still different, but more logically sound beliefs on both sides.

And to anyone who's wished harm upon rozenn, stop. Grow up and learn to debate.

[he-speaks]

I'm using #terfbreaking and other tags found around this discourse in order to reach the intended audience, as this discourse is happening as far as I'm aware just around those tags, but I'm not trying to play into the kink or arouse anyone with this post. That being said,

This is not how we should be engaging in politics and debates.

I got this message from rozenn more than 24 hours ago, replied within an hour or two of when it was sent to me. The two images and my reply are the only things that me and this user have said to each other.

I've scrolled through rozenn's blog and found that she's been going through the likes and reblogs on posts in the terfbreaking tag and sending those two images- well, three, I'll elaborate on that in a second- to people engaging with them sexually.

The two images I got say "pornsick" and then "pickme." That second one is the only thing she seems to vary when starting interactions with the people she's messaging. To men like me, she sends "pickme" as the second image, which is an insult that targets females who are seeking male approval. To women, she sends "male" as the second image, which isn't even an insult and is even more blatant misgendering than the pickme image. So it goes from an insult related to the subject matter, to just a misguided ad hominem.

Now a few people I follow have also gotten these messages from her, and they all seem to get the same copy and pasted message in reply. She says "I send the memes to any trans woman caught liking, sharing, or posting rape fantasies towards feminists or lesbians for criticizing trans women or having boundaries. This is for a reflection on their behavior with the proposed goal of being less misogynistic and homophobic."

So she seems to be under the impression that sending these memes will prompt an epiphany where someone decides their actions so far have been wrong. And maybe that works for someone, but overall this is an extremely immature and ineffective way of going about things.

Now I'd seen that rozenn was sending these messages before engaging with #terfbreaking posts, and that's where the first line in my response came from. I then tried to communicate that she was being immature, but if she would actually engage with me, I'd like to talk and hear more about what she thinks about all this.

From the information I have, I can only assume that she hasn't replied further because her copy and paste message would be nonsensical if sent after mine. Maybe she thinks that her position won't hold up in a civilized debate, or maybe she'd just not interested in doing anything but name-calling. I can't confirm any of this without speaking to her more, obviously, but until she clears that up it's the only reason I can think of.

Now I've never had a conversation with a trans-exclusionary radical feminist before, or at least not knowingly and about political topics. I'm extremely interested to, but the opportunity hasn't come around (this is an invitation, by the way! I want to understand TERFs, please message me so we can compare mindsets!). And I have to wonder how often, if at all, people with these beliefs actually have discussions with people who disagree with them. From the posts I've seen, most of their public interactions come down to complete agreement with other TERFs, or "he said, she said" arguments with trans people. What I'm worried about is that they may be experiencing groupthink. Their ideas seem solid when they're talking with people who agree and aren't actively seeking counterpoints, but once faced with educated criticism, they would falter.

This isn't exclusive to TERFs, either. Any group can and does fall into groupthink, and it absolutely happens with people who I agree with as well. This is why I think we should all be promoting and engaging in discussion and debate with people we disagree with, to combat groupthink and lead to still different, but more logically sound beliefs on both sides.

And to anyone who's wished harm upon rozenn, stop. Grow up and learn to debate.

[he-speaks]

@perverted-transman ’s political sideblog. Because in case it wasn’t clear, its kinks =/= its real life opinions.

It/he, don’t use any other pronouns for me. I also use strictly masculine terms. Unless we’re close, not even a casual "girl/girly" is okay— I don’t care if you call everyone that, it makes me uncomfortable.

My opinions are all subject to change, I’m constantly reevaluating my beliefs even without outside input so as long as you approach me with facts, respect, and an equally open mind, there’s a fair chance you’ll actually change my mind or at least influence my opinions in some way.