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Ah, yes… the old excuse of ‘Félix doesn’t have good chemistry with Marinette’. As someone who has written a 26+ chapters story with the setting in the Ladybug PV Universe, I have to say that I have never encountered any problems where it was “impossible” for me to write Félix and Bridgette’s dynamics without creating bad chemistry between them.
Although, maybe it’s because I’m using a very special and very unique writing technique known as - character development.
Honestly, the more I think about Miraculous Ladybug and its characters, the more I think that the only reason they decided to make Adrien a Nice Guy is because they couldn’t bother writing some actual character development for him and instead decided to just hand him everything he wants on a silver platter. After all, isn’t it easier when your character already is super cool and super special and has just the right amount of trauma to make people sympathize with him in order to let him get away with literal murder (on multiple occasions!)?
To me, Adrien is a very one-dimensional and bland character who has no progress aside from flipping an internal switch and no life aside from obsessing over a girl. Take away his role as Cat Noir and him being Gabriel Agreste’s (the main villain) son, and there is really nothing that makes him appealing nor interesting as a character. Even if he is given an opportunity to develop as a character, he whines until the universe bends backwards to reward him without doing anything to deserve it.
It is also hilarious how they brought back Félix to be the one to actually progress the plot instead of letting either of the main characters figure out that Gabriel is Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth/Monarch, because they need to focus on unnecessary drama instead of actual story progression.
Seriously, this screams “We couldn’t bother to put effort into writing Félix, so we gave up”.
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I’ve noticed a pattern in Ladybug and Chat Noir’s motivations for keeping secrets from each other. While Ladybug usually keeps secrets either because they benefit others or because they’re not her secrets to tell, Chat keeps secrets out of selfishness.
For example, here are some secrets Chat keeps:
Knowing Ladybug's identity in Chat Blanc: This benefitted him because he could date Ladybug without her knowing he was Chat or that he knew her identity. Sure, it isn't canon to the main timeline, but we know this is what main timeline Chat would do if given the opportunity.
Almost relinquishing the ring in Syren: If Ladybug knew that he almost quit in the middle of an akuma attack (which had almost certainly already caused many to drown) just because he was bitter about being kept in the dark, he might look bad.
Not telling the truth about causing Theo's akumatization (through another lie): If Ladybug knew that Chat lied about them being a couple when she wasn't around to deny it, that would make her upset. But she'd be even more upset knowing that it caused an akumatization. And she'd be even more upset because until that point, she blamed herself for said akumatization.
Pretending to be someone else as Catwalker: He got to be a hero again, avoiding the consequences of quitting. He also essentially got a “do-over” to try to make Ladybug like him more.
Now, let's look at some secrets Ladybug kept from Chat:
The existence/identity of Fu: She asked Fu if she could reveal his existence to Chat, and he said no, not yet. And upon hearing that, she respected Fu's wishes, and didn't tell Chat, even though she wanted to.
Alya/Rena Furtive being a permanent holder: Well, technically Ladybug and Alya kept this secret, and it wasn’t just from Chat. But telling Chat could have put Alya and her family at risk. And it was also Alya's secret, so again, not really Ladybug's to tell.
The plan to find out his identity in Ephemeral: The way they chose to find out Chat's identity really sucked in this episode and there were a million better plans Ladybug could've used, but she did it so that Chat could keep his miraculous. So she lied to him because it would directly benefit him in the long run. (And I get that the plan needed to be that way for plot convenience, but still.)
The identities of temporary heroes: I feel like this one speaks for itself, but just in case it just doesn’t... Chat doesn't need to know the identities of the heroes Ladybug picks because she is always the one who chooses them, and in season 4, she’s also the guardian. The identities should only be revealed if necessary.
So yeah, that’s the reason that I get so annoyed at Chat for keeping secrets from Ladybug, but not the other way around.
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Do you think Adrien isn't as traumatized by being a hero as Marinette is?
Oh, that’s not even a question. Yes.
While I can acknowledge that his hero experience has had some sources of trauma (Chat Blanc - before the timeline reset, “killing” Aeon, finding out about the Chat Blanc timeline later and the nightmare about that, cataclysming Monarch, etc..), comparing his hero experience and any resulting trauma from it to Marinette’s…it is no contest.
Especially when Adrien’s trauma is usually only focused on for the episode a specific incident happens in and he seems unaffected the rest of the time. The main things that seemed to stick to put any damper on his mood is in Season 4 where he starts feeling left out and unnecessary to Ladybug due to more temp heroes joining in. And outside of that, being a hero was an escape from his shitty home life, it was a net positive in his life.
Marinette’s distress is focused on way more explicitly. Becoming a hero has done nothing but add stress to her life. Girl is stressed like 24/7. The writers go out of their way to place the blame on her in almost every bad situation she’s put in. Add in the fact that she also has more responsibilities put on her with being guardian and the threat of untold amounts of memory loss if she gives the title up…
Yeah it’s safe to say Adrien’s no where near as traumatized by being a hero as Marinette is.
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SERIOUSLY THIS LADYBUG DESIGN IS WAY BETTER THAN THE GOOD ONE , I CANT WAIT TO SEE THE CONCEPT ARTS FOR THIS DESIGN, I LOVE IT TOO MUCH
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Welp this show has now officially assassinated every single character. Was it worth it?
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Ah, yes… the old excuse of ‘Félix doesn’t have good chemistry with Marinette’. As someone who has written a 26+ chapters story with the setting in the Ladybug PV Universe, I have to say that I have never encountered any problems where it was “impossible” for me to write Félix and Bridgette’s dynamics without creating bad chemistry between them.
Although, maybe it’s because I’m using a very special and very unique writing technique known as - character development.
Honestly, the more I think about Miraculous Ladybug and its characters, the more I think that the only reason they decided to make Adrien a Nice Guy is because they couldn’t bother writing some actual character development for him and instead decided to just hand him everything he wants on a silver platter. After all, isn’t it easier when your character already is super cool and super special and has just the right amount of trauma to make people sympathize with him in order to let him get away with literal murder (on multiple occasions!)?
To me, Adrien is a very one-dimensional and bland character who has no progress aside from flipping an internal switch and no life aside from obsessing over a girl. Take away his role as Cat Noir and him being Gabriel Agreste’s (the main villain) son, and there is really nothing that makes him appealing nor interesting as a character. Even if he is given an opportunity to develop as a character, he whines until the universe bends backwards to reward him without doing anything to deserve it.
It is also hilarious how they brought back Félix to be the one to actually progress the plot instead of letting either of the main characters figure out that Gabriel is Hawk Moth/Shadow Moth/Monarch, because they need to focus on unnecessary drama instead of actual story progression.
Seriously, this screams “We couldn’t bother to put effort into writing Félix, so we gave up”.
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Are there times where you're glad they never made Felix the main protagonist instead of Adrien? I mean surely they still would have found a way to mess it up somehow.
Oh, certainly!
The writing of Miraculous Ladybug is a complete mess, there is little to no character development nor plot progression (and when it happens, it's rushed), the main villain has overstayed his welcome and should've been booted much earlier, even the main characters are deprived of actually progressing the plot, there's a bunch of retcons that make you wonder whether the writers even read what they wrote in the previous episodes,...
I can go on, but with writing like that, I'm glad that the PV!Ladybug characters stayed in the hands of the fans who genuinely cherish them. I wouldn't be surprised if the writers attempted to turn PV!Félix into an edgelord instead of the complex character he is or fall into the trap of having PV!Marinette go the ''I can fix him!'' route instead of having her befriend him and allow him to open up to her.
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Why Scarlet Lady Is Better Than Canon: Lila Rossi
I had mentioned before at length regarding my distaste, dislike, and dissatisfaction with the character of Lila Rossi in Miraculous Ladybug canon. A character so horrible, so poorly written, and so two dimensional that I did not think it was possible to make any iteration of her I wouldn’t dislike.
And yet it seems @zoe-oneesama has come through for me yet again in Scarlet Lady by taking what was quite possibly one of my biggest issues and most despised characters within canon and with only a few changes, turning her into something enjoyable. Dare I even say…likable.
Seguir leyendo
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Villainess AU update! Part 2 of the previous upload
Avoiding subjects that might change the status quo? Marinette? Never! 💃💃💃
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Villainess AU update~
Part 1 of another comic :)
Marinette’s feelings are?
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“Her mind seems far away at times.”
Sometimes Mari feels the effects of being the only “person” in a predetermined world
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IMAGINE VILLAINESS!ADRIAN REMEMBERING KILLING MARINETTE IN THE OG! AND HOW HEARTBROKEN HE'D BE btw i adore your art. it's perfect. just saying its so so cuteeeee







Like this? 😭💕
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Introducing the “heroine” Lila
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I’M WHAT THIS CITY NEEDS ! — BATMAN: UNDER THE RED HOOD
JASON TODD BIRTHDAY WEEK ‘18 DAY SEVEN: ONE QUOTE / WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN
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Honestly, the fact that Marinette got more shit from Adrien over being happy her bully was leaving then Chloe did for NEARLY CRASHING A TRAIN FULL OF PEOPLE, says it all really when it comes to the writing in ML.
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To be fair, Adrien's 'apology' effectively amounted to Marinette comforting and reassuring HIM that oh, he's just such a *good person* that he couldn't see how bad and nasty and evil Lila was. Claiming that he was just too PURE and simply couldn't comprehend what kind of person he was dealing with. So I question how much it really 'validated Marinette's feelings' versus patting him on the back and coddling him YET AGAIN, with a hefty dose of "It's not HIS FAULT he's so sheltered and trusting!'
You're not wrong.
Sadly, honestly at this point, the bar is so low for Adrien and the writing around him that it seemed impossible that he would ever say the words "I'm sorry" in any truly meaningful way.
So a lot of us are just happy that he at any point acknowledged being wrong at all and apologized for it. That was all we wanted. That was all we've BEEN wanting. So much so that we're willing to give leeway for the sheer fact that he says it.
Unfortunately, this apology comes a good while too late to really matter and it's further invalidated by having the victim reassure him and make him feel better by framing his justification as being too nice.
The thing is, Adrien's words and apology DID validate Marinette. The problem is that the writers can't let Adrien be at fault for anything and of course make it Marinette's job to make him feel better, so they have the victim try to reassure HIM and thus undercut the validation that she deserved and the fandom was long wanting.
...then there are a couple other things to consider here:
For all that they're trying to twist his mistake into a sign of how wonderful he is, the problem is that Adrien's issue here wasn't that he was "too nice" but that he was passive. He actively prioritized the feelings of a liar and manipulator like Lila over the wellbeing of his friends.
This is evident in the other problem in that Adrien is apologizing for what he said to Marinette and NOT the fact that he hadn't acted himself in the matter. This is indicating that he had no problems with Lila lying until it bothered him and it only bothers him NOW because he's in love with Marinette and they're dating.
The OTHER problem is that Adrien is LYING.
Adrien: I shouldn't have told you to wait to act against Lila.
Stop.
Review that.
Do you see the problem here?
Because while I don't know about the French version of this scene or the scene in Chameleon, there's a major discrepancy here in the English version:
He never told Marinette to wait to act.
Adrien: Are you going to tell everyone? Marinette: 'Course I am. Lila is— Adrien: (interrupting) A liar. Yes, I know. But do you really think exposing her will make things better? If you humiliate her, she'll just be hurt more. Making a bad guy suffer has never turned them into a good guy. Lila: Ladybug and I are like two peas in a pod. Marinette: So we just stand by and let her lie? Adrien: As long as you and I both know the truth, does it really matter? Marinette: You're right, maybe it's not such a big deal.
It's been a common argument from Adrien defenders that this is the approach Adrien was taking. So in a way, it makes sense for that to be the angle the writers try to use since the fandom practically handed the excuse to them.
But at NO point in this discussion did Adrien say to take a wait and see approach. At no point does he imply that they would or even should act against Lila at a later time. At no point does he even express a belief that Lila's lies will be revealed. Because at NO point in any of his lines did he express genuine concern for anyone but Lila.
What he DID do was invalidate Marinette's feelings and dismiss her very valid concerns.
And yet his apology wasn't for that.
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