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do you think that thalia and jason grace are famous in true crime circles? they're the children of an actress who both went missing at some point only to show up again so i'm assuming the tabloids went wild with them.
actress beryl grace has two kids out of wedlock but then all of a sudden beryl doesn't have her two-year-old son anymore and its just her and her older daughter. and then all of a sudden both of beryl grace's children are missing.
did people think that they died? did tabloids think they were kidnapped?
then all of a sudden her oldest daughter reapears and she's seen hanging out with the kid from nyc who blew up the gateway arch??
oh ! and now that two-year-old son of hers is fifteen and has been seen with the same kid from nyc, running around the country and was in a wilderness boarding school with the daughter of actor tristan mclean?? but then after a few months a couple of tabloids hear that he went to an all-boys boarding school only to "die in a surfing accident," even though all of his classmates say they don't remember him ever mentioning anything about surfing? in fact, his classmates don't even know that much about him.
are there blogs about the grace siblings? do people wonder about the trajedy of the grace siblings and their mother?
is there a dateline episode about the disappearances of the grace siblings? have people written books about how both of beryl grace's children have dispeared? how someone saw beryl walk to a park with two kids and then walk away with only one?
#dude everyone in hoo is famous in true crime circles#Percy’s whole gateway arch escapade?#true crime.#piper McLean?#like cmon#daughter of a superstar#no known mother mysteriously disappears for a bit
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"i dont like jason grace because he's boring" is the most evil statement because a. THATS THE POINT and b. thats EXACTLY what makes him NOT boring.
camp jupiter is BUILT to make children into machines. work as a machine, work with the group to be a machine. or, be spare parts. it is rigid. it is unforgiving. it is built to suppress individuality. the MOST autonomy jason grace got was joining the lower end of the cohorts of the legion, was a failing petition against a traditional board.
jason grace grew up in camp jupiter. not like hazel, frank, percy, nico, etc., who were only there for a year or two at MOST. he grew up there. if i had to guess, i would say age 5 through age 15-- roughly a decade. everything he learned there is going to be DRILLED into him.
yes, he is going to seem boring.
the whole POINT of it is so he can have his character arc of "i dont really want to follow the rules..?" that he doesn't want to be praetor, he just wants to be a normal kid at camp half-blood and live with piper and leo. and thats what MAKES him a character that ISNT boring.
#“’he’s too perfect’#isn’t that … that thr point#‘he seems like a 2nd lesser attempt at Percy’#do you not see that is the point#the whole POINT is he doesn’t have a personality because it’s been robbed from him#the whole point is that he’ll always be reaching for but never live up to expectations#bro do you not understand#do you not understand jason grace will always be more myth than person#how great other characters say he is vs who he actually is will never match BECAUSE THAT IS THE POINT#the whole narrative he is not his own person#he is someone to be replaced#replaced by his sister with Luke replaced by Rome & reynawith percy#jason grace is not and never was his own person#do you not see how that’s be replicated on a meta level. do you not See#anyways
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Saw someone say Percy and Jason lived the opposite lives that they were “supposed” to live in the sense that Jason lived like a Greek, dying before he could reach adulthood and Percy lived like a Roman, living long enough to be able to attend college and I am. So very unwell about it!!
#: riordanverse#sorry op for mass rbing#another 2 cents#in the original pjo series there's some part of it that says something along the lines of#what defines percy is not his father but his mother#jason grace who's mother abandoned him#jason grace who swore to never break a promise; to never be his mother#this is mostly brain and not canon but also#if all the olympians were fighting kronos#who was fighting with the romans?#jason grace who always fights alone#jason grace who trains for 12 years but who's father never notices him#jason grace who's the perfect child#hoping if he's perfect#at least then the gods will listen to them#but its not him they listen to. its the ragtag kid with a loudmouth who defies them#jason grace who does everything for rome but they stop looking#percy Jackson who's camp never stopped looking#also#jason grace son of jupiter son of the king of gods#abandoned at birth leader of the camp#the roman soldier#the guy who is SUPPOSED to be main character#percy jackson son of the 2nd most powerful god#guy who never wanted to be prophecies#is the main character#anyways
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thinking about how Jason Grace's character development starts in House of Hades when he's forced into a leadership role that he never really signed up for (sure he and Percy fought for head of the table but Jason was just used to being there because Percy hadn't been there before. sure Jason felt threatened by the loss off that place but he'd only been there out of obligation anyway.)
thinking about how he feels responsibility for both camps now that he's no longer leader of the Romans but Percy and Annabeth aren't there to be leaders for the Greeks.
thinking about how Piper calls the bullet line through his hair a literal rebellious streak, right after Jason made the choice (at Auster's behest) to take control of his own destiny.
thinking about how it was another Imperial Gold wound that made him reconsider his place at both camps ("die like a Roman," but at the hands of a Roman, after choosing Greek).
thinking about how Jason couldn't find a taste of home after making that choice, how ambrosia tasted like sawdust and didn't work on his stab wound, not because it was a Roman wound but because Jason himself was no longer Roman, and that core of his identity, that healing center, was gone.
thinking about how Jason only heals that wound after finding a purpose for himself which somehow is both a leadership position and forces him to move between camps.
thinking about how Jason's newfound sense of purpose is based on a promise he made to someone whom he felt had been abandoned.
thinking about how Jason made it his principle never to break a promise (Rick calls it his "grain of sand at the center of a pearl" and I'm. totally normal about that. I swear.)
thinking about how Jason died unable to fulfill his promise, but forcing Apollo to make his own promise to carry it on.
thinking about how every bit of Jason's identity was a responsibility that was forced on him and he never got to see any of his own choices come to fruition because he'd been too stuck trying to take care of all of the obligations he'd bound his literal self to.
thinking about how Jason was inherently tragic from the start because his fatal flaw wasn't actually a part of his identity, it was the fact that he'd been too late to choose his identity at all.
#: riordanverse#well fuck#last sentence really got me#think this is the best interpretation of his fatal flaw i've ever seen tbh
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Jason saying that Beryl’s unkept promises laid the foundation for who he is because he never wanted people to feel the way he did when she left him at the Wolf House (abandoned and lied to) and that he never wanted leadership but got it anyway because everyone expected him to because he’s a child of Jupiter completely rewired my brain and now I’m in shambles about him again
#wait i can make it worse#before i get prosecuted hear me out#jason grace's fatal flaw is that he never breaks a promise#not that joecontemplative indecesiveness#that's a symptom of the real fatal flaw#because he doesn't want to make a pre-existing promise#nor does he want to make a promise he doesn't keep#he was indecisive about his identity because he didn't want to break his [pre-exisitng] promise to rome#he wouldn't abandon it like his mother abandoned him#he was the promised hero#but because it's his fatal flaw#it's BECAUSE of his promises that he never finds himself#what if the person he really is#is not who he promised to be?#it makes it all the more fitting#he dies because of apollo's broken promise#read the rbs and he dies for apollos character arc because who is he if not a pawn of the gods#anyways
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#.8 being jason js so funny#who voted jason#honestly would believe it if you told me this man’s coffee is whiter than his skin#but like#because the first time he got coffee everyone recommended he get something sweet because that’s usually where people start#and he never bothered to branch out further#gives me the vibe of like man discovers oatmeal man never leaves oatmeal#also sorry I think nico should be a closer contestant to rachel#post arc nico wouldn’t care about asking for a complicated drink#but more importantly#he’s Italian
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call my bed an ashtray the way there's fags in there
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kinda obsessed with the idea of heroes of olympus but you're jason grace, who leaves voids to be filled. you're jason grace who has fit perfectly into the mold and you never leave that mold because that mold is where you are loved, and that mold is where you are safe. you're jason grace and you are more myth than you are human. you're jason grace and you've done everything they've asked but the defiant boy who is rough around the edges is the real hero, and has made the gods listen. you are jason grace and your sister has grown a new family, your home a new leader, your friend a new companion, your dad a new hero, and your girlfriend a new partner.
you are jason grace and you are a mold and you have never left it. you are jason grace, and every void you have left, has been filled. except your own.
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hot take but I will always hate the concept of percy getting elected as praetor with having spent so less time in camp jupiter, while jason spent the same amount of time in chb and still wasn't able to fill in the gaps percy left, but percy seemingly did for jason in camp jupiter, and how replaceable jason was shown as, despite the fact that he spent 12 years, and trained as a TODDLER. i swear if I see some "joke" about percy surpassing jason in a week COMPLETELY ignoring that it's a very obvious gary sue moment written by rick I'll get so salty. it's one of the many inconsistencies of hoo.
because not only does it scream main character favouritism from rick (with making percy fit into everything somehow with zero plot holes) people ONLY say "jason was replacing percy" but apparently acting like percy wasn't? they were BOTH sent to replace eachother, temporarily atleast.
it's the fact that romans are showed to be very choosy in selecting praetors, which is why it took jason so long to become one despite his reputation. the camp just randomly hailing percy (a greek, people whom they hate) as their leader with zero hesitation whatsoever DESPITE the presence of octavian is weird. considering how much they opposed frank, a ROMAN going on an important quest, deeming him unworthy, despite hearing mars, literal GOD giving them orders to send frank, they were still very adamant in not sending him. so we can see that romans bend their rules for no one.
yes percy accomplished something GREAT and deserved the position as much as jason did, but if you take into consideration how the romans were written in the books, they were the type of people to ignore efforts people made if it meant the people were going against their "traditional" values. going by that logic, rick made them contradict their own views just for the purpose of elevating percy, and instilling this sense of superiority over jason.
knowing that the target audience wouldn't want jason to be on the same level as percy, which is strange because rick also meant to write jason and percy as foils of eachother, so shouldn't they be given equal amounts of importance? or just don't write them as foils at all if you want percy to have leverage over jason so bad? like pick a side.
if percy can be made a praetor with a week's time and have golden treatment in an enemy camp that accepts no one in easily (as opposed to chb who's more accepting) then why ISN'T jason held up like a hero in chb if percy is? (nah don't bombard me with the "camp half blood is loyal! unlike camp jupiter, rick wrote percy getting held up to point out that difference between the camps loyalty" bs we are just making up excuses and stories to make sense of the bad writing, who knows if rick even thought through all that, considering how inconsistent he is in books after pjo)
how come chb, whos main trait was written as loyalty to the campers never changed when it came to jason being there? jason got good friends, sure. but the camp NEVER saw him as a replacement to percy and there was some tension with him popping out of nowhere right when percy disappeared. jason was accepted in camp, but he wasn't hailed like a hero there the way percy was.
but camp jupiter, who's traits were extremely traditional values and rules that was never changed or messed with in the past was randomly tailored to percy's advantage? jason was hailed as the pinnacle of the true image of rome, and them replacing him with an unconventional greek hero within a WEEK seems so contradictory and just screams bad writing. why is the fandom giving this portion of the bad writing a pass when it clearly wastes the potential of the characters who aren't percy or annabeth? also this is NOT a percy hate post before y'all flood my inbox with threats, just pointing out one of the many inconsistencies of heroes of olympus.
#an adjacent maybe contrasting take depending on how you see it#but I acc have no problem with this but I had a problem w it’s aftermath#this is actually a great set up for Jason’s arc#JASON GRACE the guy who gave everything for tome shi got replaced in a week#JASON GRACE who’s sister replaced him w another scarred blonde general#JASON GRACE who has no one in CJ to show fit her family#JASON GRACE who’s best friend replaced him#JASON GRACE who sacrifices everything for Rome for the gods but never gets as far as this loud mouthed kid#THATS THE POINT!!!!#give me that friction between percy and jason. give me thst jg arc#this was the PERFECT setup for jason to have an amazing arc about expectations vs identity#jason grace is made to be a hero but percy is#have him grapple with that!!! have him grapple with#despite giving everything#he is alone#jason grace is more myth than person. it’s why there’s admiration but no love for him in CJ. SHOW US HIM GRAPPLING WITH THAT#have Jason grapple with the fact that everywhere he’s been#he’s been replaced#anyways#: riordanverse
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when in doubt about whether or not to make a thing, do it for your 3 hardcore fans.
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Concept:
Jason gets possessed by an Eidolon but it doesn’t act the same way as the one that possessed Percy or Leo.
There’s a cruelty to it of course but it still felt like them in a way that this one doesn’t. And none of his friends can’t recognise this being as Jason at all.
Everyone that is but Hazel because she is the only one of them who knew Jason before all of this.
The one who survived the Wolf House at 2 years old. The one who defeated Krios. The one who once bore the title of Praetor.
When Eidolons possess people they can access their memories and learn everything about them. It is acting differently because it’s using the memories that Jason has.
But can’t access himself.
That’s why there’s an expertise to his fighting that didn’t exist prior. A newfound power that marks him as his father’s son.
It’s way he carries himself is tall and self-assured. Why he examines the battlefield with a trained and strategic mind.
For the first time they are seeing Jason as he was. All that he lost and never knew he did. With the knowledge that the only time Jason is truly himself is when he’s not himself at all.
And how once this fight ends he’ll lose it all over again.
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sobbing and crying at the woman who stole a meth addicted kitten from her dealer and then she and the kitten got clean together
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doomed by the narrative but not to death. doomed to survive. doomed to stay alive inside the story. doomed to never escape the narrative, not even through death. you are allowed no exit. there is no way out for you and there never was. you couldn’t die if you wanted to. the narrative has a hold on you and it won’t let go. death is too sweet a doom for you. the story has something much worse in mind. there is no way out.
#the only valid plot armor actually#guy who wants to Sacrificically Redeem himself but is just denied at every opportunity like dear boy#there is no moral redemption in the grave#“it has to be you. you have to die so the rest can live” has NOTHING on#“it has to be you. you have to live because nobody else could”#yin nezha core lol
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sooo like are we not going to talk about how jason looks exactly like luke ... are we not going to talk about how thalia replaced luke as jason for a brother ... are we not going to talk about that
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i am a tragedy enjoyer before i am human
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I do think it was a little messed up for RR to use Jason as emotional fodder in Trials of Apollo and then kill off the poor kid in a series he wasn't even a main character of... but also I can't lie. Jason's story ending with months of self-isolation, suffering, and then death, does make his character infinitely more interesting to me unfortunately
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