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Part of the reason I don't really bother debating with or arguing with antisemites--of any type, really--is simple.

A major part of the basis of Jew-hate is that Jews are innately liars, axiomatically duplicitous. That we know "the Truth" and yet reject it, so anything we say is coming from a place of intentional deception.

In Christianity, Jews reject Jesus, and it becomes the basis of multiple antisemitic libels in later centuries (host desecration, among others) that the Jews do recognize Jesus as the Messiah, but reject him--and truth--for reasons that can only amount to "innately evil liars".

In Islam, Jews reject Mohammed, and it was and still is taught that the Jews moved into the region of Arabia "because they thought a prophet would come" (and not because of Rome ethnically cleansing us from our homeland), and that "the Jews recognized Muhammed as the prophet they had apparently been waiting for, and vowed to be his enemy as long as they lived" (more or less verbatim quote from the ten minute mark on this video, which was sent to me by someone trying to prove how much he "respected" Judaism). Same dynamic as the Christianity example--we somehow know that their Truth is correct, but reject it for... reasons.

And while I could go on with other ideologies, those two are the biggest ones which underpin so much of what came later.

So when you have a modern day Hamasnik screaming that "Zionism is the greatest example of antisemitism!" or other things of that ilk, it's the same thought process as the anti-Jewish hate that goes back over a thousand years: "Jews know The Truth, yet reject it in order to cling to their wickedness."

And, tying that to my original point...

If it is not just assumed, but taken as fact that I am a liar and innately so, that everything I say is a lie, that nothing I say can be trusted, because I, as a Jew, know The Truth and reject it...

Why bother wasting my effort?

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woah that clark kent guy looks a lot like superman

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imagine cloth mother and wire mother in family court competing for custody of the baby monkey

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Krypto giving Lex an unbeatable Jet2 holiday

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“Employees LOVE working with Shovel!!!” executive manager of the Dig Your Own Grave Division at Big Company reports. “Shovel is such a huge productivity booster.”

In unrelated news, Big Company laid off 9,000 employees today. “It’s an important strategic market shift,” that same executive says. “We just have to, now that we have all these freshly dug graves we can put them in.”

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your new house is haunted by two ghosts and both swear the other is the malicious spirit who keeps shattering your cups of coffee and writing threatening messages in the mirror. you let them know they had a month to come clean or else both would face the consequence.

today is that consequence.

"so i guess this is the end," the ghost who hangs out near your backdoor says.

"today is the day they call the exorcist," the ghost who haunts your closet moans.

"exorcist?" you ask as you adjust your Ghost Goggles and pull on your Ghost Punching Gloves.

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Superman isn't woke. You're just so evil that you see a man doing acts of kindness and you think it's a targeted political agenda

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This reply really bothered me. Not just because they missed the point I was trying to make and called me deceptive, but also because of the "antivaxxers knew and accepted the risks" canard.

A lot of people decry the boosters because they did not have the power to reduce transmission at scale. I mean, you still get protection from serious illness and death, but for some reason the transmission part makes them a failure and not even worth taking.

But the very first vaccine did reduce transmission. Aside from all the other risks these people took on behalf of others, that one was the most frustrating. High compliance and quick rollout could have slowed COVID to a crawl and possibly reduced mutations. We had a chance to severely mitigate the virus and these people took a "risk" not just for themselves, but for the entire world.

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@littleeagle16

Congratulations, you just made a person who generally does not get angry... very angry.

This is my least favorite counterargument in all of the anti-vax bullshit.

"It's okay if old people die."

Which you cannot say without also throwing disabled people under the bus. Because they have the exact same vulnerabilities and risk factors.

Which means you prioritize your "vaccine freedom" over some 8 year old with leukemia who had a good prognosis before COVID.

Both my mom and that 8 year old had the potential to survive.

My mom was getting treated for psoriatic arthritis and the treatment weakened her immune system. But she was not terminal. She was not critically ill. She still had years left in her lifespan.

But because she didn't want to suffer the pain of her arthritis on a constant basis, she had to die?

Does that sum up your belief?

Let's address some other ways you are wrong.

The mRNA vaccine platform wasn't new or experimental.

Scientists have been developing mRNA delivery systems since the 1990s, and by the 2010s, they had already tested mRNA vaccines in humans for Zika, rabies, and cancer therapies.

On top of that, COVID-19 is caused by a coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2) and researchers had already been working on vaccines for SARS-CoV-1 and MERS (two related coronaviruses) since the early 2000s.

That head start gave them a huge advantage.

So, no, this wasn’t a rushed “experiment.”

It was the culmination of decades of research, accelerated by a global crisis and tested in massive, well-run trials.

Calling it “experimental” is just a lazy excuse for ignoring science and pretending the deaths of the elderly and immunocompromised were acceptable losses.

No medicine in history is 100% safe. That is an impossible standard and expectation. But this vaccine turned out to be one of the safest we've ever created.

Tylenol is more dangerous. Knee surgery is more dangerous. Eating food is more dangerous. Driving a fucking car is more dangerous.

Over 13 billion COVID vaccine doses have been safely given worldwide. Serious side effects are extremely rare. The deaths linked to them were so rare that they got lost in the noise of the data. It's a number so small inside a sample so huge that statistical mathematics cannot reliably estimate how tiny the number is. It is likely a fraction of a percent of a percent.

Unlike the millions lost to the virus itself.

COVID vaccines weren’t just effective, they were lifesaving. Globally, they likely prevented 14–20 million deaths in the first year alone.

In the US, around 3 million deaths and 18.5 million hospitalizations were prevented.

If this was a “dangerous experiment,” it might be the most successful one in human history.

You are promoting a ghoulish, dehumanizing belief that the deaths of the vulnerable are just the cost of your personal comfort. You are disrespecting the grief of hundreds of thousands of people who should still have their loved ones alive and well.

"Bury your olds."

Fuck you.

Fuck your fake sympathy.

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https://www.newsday.com/news/nation/fact-check-harvard-study-gaza-missing-palestinians-o63916 really? Did Harvard conduct that study, and did it actually say that? Neat!

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i'd ask you to enlighten me what the subject i changed was but i'm pretty sure i replied with what i thought regarding the whole theory of america using the iraq playbook or whatever, and besides i'm most probably not gonna bother replying to you again because i know you're just gonna keep talking gibberish

first of all, you're intentionally ignoring that iran didn't actually have any nuclear weapons, and that the usa nor anywhere else besides israel was actually under any threat from iran, so there was absolutely no good reason for america to bomb it. nowhere did i say iran was helpess or innocent, but the usa did not have any right to bomb it and you making excuses for it and denying that it has anything to do with imperialism is despicable.

the countries you're talking about are probably the same countries aiding america and israel in their genocide so it's not like having their support means that bombing iran is a good thing for the middle east. it's most definitely not. you're probably a genocide denier, and you're american and you're currently arguing that your country has the moral ground to bomb whatever country it likes.... that's just... yeah i really don't have any hope that i could get through to you, you're just gonna keep doubling down on those same awful stances so continuing this would just be a waste of time for both of us

This is at least the second time you’ve said you probably weren’t gonna reply anymore, so we’ll see!

Your reply to the Iraqi playbook idea was itself an evasion, because the Iraqi playbook wasn’t ’gin up fears of WMDs to justify bombing’, it was ‘gin up fears of WMDs to justify invasion and regime change’. My initial question and the criticism behind it wasn’t that I think the bombing was acceptable, though I do. It was to ask ‘when will you admit you’re wrong?’ (Being a general ‘you’.) How long will it need to be without the playbook actually being followed before you admit ‘ok, this was wrong, it was evil, but it’s not that particular type of evil’?

Every nation has a right to defend itself, and when a government that makes a habit of making existential threats looks likely to acquire nuclear weapons? They can expect to be attacked. It’s not complicated.

I’m not talking about western countries helping Israel, though most if not all quietly approve. I’m talking about how Israel managed to strike targets all over a geographically huge country that is geographically a long ways from Israel, flying through the airspace at least twice of multiple nations? Only some of which were with stealth aircraft? And how Israel managed to continue doing so, in daylight no less?

Obviously openly expressing support or even acceptance is politically non-viable…but there’s a world of difference between that and genuinely opposing. Iran’s own neighbors, its immediate neighbors, don’t want it to get nukes, and think it’s a good thing if they don’t get ‘em. For mysterious reasons. Certainly nothing to do with sectarian strife or geopolitics and hegemony in the region, definitely not.

Nothing I’ve said or suggested claims I believe the USA has the grounds to bomb any nation it wants. Y’all just *can’t* refrain from making shit up, can you? It’s not enough to have a political disagreement. I believe the Bad Thing, so you don’t have to be even basic-level honest about what I’ve said to attack it.

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That’s especially funny evasion, considering OP has a ‘campaign to make sure I ever post in peace’ going. Their words, not mine:)

lol you use Mcafee fuckin’ loser

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Well, let’s be real: you would’ve posted a comment supporting someone else throwing a stink bomb, at most.

i don’t know how to tell you that i don’t feel safe

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It’s so weird you forgot! What with your ‘campaign to make sure never post in peace’, and all:)

i don’t know how to tell you that i don’t feel safe

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You misspelled ‘doofus’, shit for brains:)

A long time ago I saw a "professor" refuse to debate an Israeli because he proclaimed he wouldn't argue about apartheid with an oppressor and as a Ukrainian (whose race was discriminate against since Ivan the fourth aka Mosvovite scum in 1533 stole our history and culture to create a false "russian" image) I find it disgusting.

Ukrainians argue and debate moscovite scum ALL THE TIME. People who refuse to acknowledge the genocide and discrimination and theft they have committed against my people, Ukrainians STILL debate them. It is a PRIVILEGE to be able to debate someone from the oppressor group and to have them actually listen or to have such a large audience who will be able to witness and judge the oppressors' behaviour.

Now I don't believe Israel is an apartheid state, it's just not factually speaking. But his attempt to create some sort of waves and show how amazing he is, actually came off to show how closed minded he is and how he KNOWS he is incorrect and refuses to challenge his own ideas with someone who actually lived in Israel and had both Jewish and Arab friends, coworkers, politicians, and nieghbors.

This garbage's name is George Galloway, a British man of Irish and Scottish roots. Anyone who actually understood what it's like to have your people oppressed would jump at the chance to publicly debate their oppressor and WIN. He just showed how opportunistic, racist, and virtue signaling he was. This behaviour is unacceptable. If you show up to debate on an official platform, you are to debate no matter who shows up. He is disgusting and everyone should accept that his behavior was unacceptable and disgusting.

Happened in 2013-2015. It's still relevant because a lot of people hold this sentiment, the video still circulates, and people still applaud. You can NOT claim to be educated when you refuse to engage with media that disagrees with you and you can NOT show up to debate and then refuse to due to someone's nationality and race. This is not a sport, you can not sit out or refuse to shake hands. This is debate, the only civil form of disagreement.

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lol. No, it isn’t:) It may be wrong, and even evil. Frankly when looking at settlers it often is. They may even say they want apartheid, which some of them certainly do. But apartheid takes more than just security measures in contested territory. You don’t get highest justices of the subject people in apartheid. You don’t have an active and significant political party of that people in apartheid. You don’t have full voting and economic citizenship of that people in apartheid.

But keep on grabbing for words for the vibes, bud:)

A long time ago I saw a "professor" refuse to debate an Israeli because he proclaimed he wouldn't argue about apartheid with an oppressor and as a Ukrainian (whose race was discriminate against since Ivan the fourth aka Mosvovite scum in 1533 stole our history and culture to create a false "russian" image) I find it disgusting.

Ukrainians argue and debate moscovite scum ALL THE TIME. People who refuse to acknowledge the genocide and discrimination and theft they have committed against my people, Ukrainians STILL debate them. It is a PRIVILEGE to be able to debate someone from the oppressor group and to have them actually listen or to have such a large audience who will be able to witness and judge the oppressors' behaviour.

Now I don't believe Israel is an apartheid state, it's just not factually speaking. But his attempt to create some sort of waves and show how amazing he is, actually came off to show how closed minded he is and how he KNOWS he is incorrect and refuses to challenge his own ideas with someone who actually lived in Israel and had both Jewish and Arab friends, coworkers, politicians, and nieghbors.

This garbage's name is George Galloway, a British man of Irish and Scottish roots. Anyone who actually understood what it's like to have your people oppressed would jump at the chance to publicly debate their oppressor and WIN. He just showed how opportunistic, racist, and virtue signaling he was. This behaviour is unacceptable. If you show up to debate on an official platform, you are to debate no matter who shows up. He is disgusting and everyone should accept that his behavior was unacceptable and disgusting.

Happened in 2013-2015. It's still relevant because a lot of people hold this sentiment, the video still circulates, and people still applaud. You can NOT claim to be educated when you refuse to engage with media that disagrees with you and you can NOT show up to debate and then refuse to due to someone's nationality and race. This is not a sport, you can not sit out or refuse to shake hands. This is debate, the only civil form of disagreement.