justablogger234

[justablogger234]

Sure. Keep on with the delusional man. Nothing i say or even want the show says will be able to get through the thick and not so bright minds of bylers. You guys have proven you're willing to twist the narrative suited to your own biased and convenience. So whatever buddy.

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Its super satisfying seeing the bylers doubt themselves. I've seen alot of these loons talk about byler doubt and have to reassure themselves that its just "straight baiting" or a diversion to keep the milevens happy and not ruin it. Yeah keep telling yourselves that you dummies. If you guys were actually so confident you wouldnt need to convince yourselves every 5 seconds. You dont have facts, you have opinions and theories. The only fact you have is that will is gay and likes mike. The facts we have is mike clearly likes girls and has only dated and shown romantic interest in el. And they've never shown any intention of wanting to leave each other.

But keep doubting yourselves, its fun to see. And keep on making fun of us, cause I promise you we'll be doing it for a long time after the shows over.

[justablogger234]

boy am I glad this person gets it. Welcome to the very attacked club my friend. Im glad you also see it that way. And yeah its sad to see this misogyny. I havent met many bylers like that but im sure ive talked to one or two who really do see her as a threat.

I have genuinely NEVER seen a subsection of a fandom so adamant in convincing the shippers who enjoy the canon m/f relationship that they are delusional for like... watching the same interactions/dialogues/scenes everyone else has on their screens??? It also baffles me the tremendous amount of misogynistic arguments being thrown around against the female protagonist just because she's perceived as an obstacle to the allegedly endgame mlm couple. Yes, this is about fucking byler.

[justablogger234]

Well there's a contradiction. Will can also be happy without a boyfriend.

Soo. Whats the difference? What boggles my mind is just how much you guys want mike to dump el just because your boy is gay. It also boggles me just how much you guys think she'll be ok with it and just accept it. But I guess there's double standards for gay and straight right?

Funny how no one wanted to accept el at the beginning (with the exception of one) until she saved their butts. And sure. It would be very fitting for el to accept that the boy she loves and believed he loved her is actually in love with her brother.

Yeah thats very fitting, after all its not like she's suffered her whole life, didnt have a family or friends or education, and quite literally has to fight for her life all the time and is a HVT for the government. Oh but el has to be independent she'll be fine right?

Boy its crazy just how much bylers still manage to surprise me. The bias and double standards towards this poor girl and her happiness and suffering knows no bounds. At least milevens love el for who she is and who she loves. This poor girl deserves better than this Fandom.

do byler "geniuses"

not know how insulting it would to milevens and other people to show mike and el being in love and then come out and say, yeah no mike is actually gay and attracted to will. So queerbaiting is not OK but straightbaiting is? Not only is that personally insulting to mileven fans, but that's also narratively insulting and not at all an intelligent decision. What would the duffers gain by completely alienating some of their Fandom and fans just to appease a ship that isn't even a ship but a one sided crush? Think of the message there. That is very bad storytelling. Because here we are for 8 years thinking that mike and el are in love and then it turns out to be fake.

And once again im reminded just how much bylers hate el. But its ok. Because when she gets all the important battle scenes, scenes with mike and people remember who the real main lead is i will be more happy.

[justablogger234]

So just because will is gay and in a conservative town it's bad for him to not to get happiness but because its different for el its ok? So el has to suffer because she's not gay and therefore wouldnt be accepted? So what now, double standards for straight people but privileges for gays?

do byler "geniuses"

not know how insulting it would to milevens and other people to show mike and el being in love and then come out and say, yeah no mike is actually gay and attracted to will. So queerbaiting is not OK but straightbaiting is? Not only is that personally insulting to mileven fans, but that's also narratively insulting and not at all an intelligent decision. What would the duffers gain by completely alienating some of their Fandom and fans just to appease a ship that isn't even a ship but a one sided crush? Think of the message there. That is very bad storytelling. Because here we are for 8 years thinking that mike and el are in love and then it turns out to be fake.

And once again im reminded just how much bylers hate el. But its ok. Because when she gets all the important battle scenes, scenes with mike and people remember who the real main lead is i will be more happy.

[justablogger234]

yeah if you guys cared about her you wouldn't be trying to ruin her life and happiness. Many of you just want her to die, or for her to lose her powers or literally anything that makes her special and give it to your boy will. I've seen many who want her powers, her storyline, her superhero status, her lab background, even her father oh and let's not forget her boyfriend and give it to will. Most of you just want her to end up alone and go off on her own or travel to " find herself". Of course saying that while will gets to enjoy everything like having love and family but this poor girl has to suffer. Yeah you guys care about her alright. I hope bylers know that if it wasnt for el will wouldn't even be alive to be able to "crush" on mike. Of course many of you just want her out of the way cause you supposedly care about her. But its fine. There's plenty like me who actually care about her happiness and her character.

do byler "geniuses"

not know how insulting it would to milevens and other people to show mike and el being in love and then come out and say, yeah no mike is actually gay and attracted to will. So queerbaiting is not OK but straightbaiting is? Not only is that personally insulting to mileven fans, but that's also narratively insulting and not at all an intelligent decision. What would the duffers gain by completely alienating some of their Fandom and fans just to appease a ship that isn't even a ship but a one sided crush? Think of the message there. That is very bad storytelling. Because here we are for 8 years thinking that mike and el are in love and then it turns out to be fake.

And once again im reminded just how much bylers hate el. But its ok. Because when she gets all the important battle scenes, scenes with mike and people remember who the real main lead is i will be more happy.

[justablogger234]

Yeah ok buddy. Whatever you say. Call me what you want but im not responding to any of that crap because thats all it is. Bylers are biased, indifferent and apathetic to els feelings and mikes values as a character. I dont need to defend what im saying and im not gonna argue with you. But this boy all of a sudden being gay and in love with with his best friend while in a committed relationship with a girl makes no sense and again ill say it doesnt make sense narratively speaking which is what you loons dont seem to consider. But whatever, bylers have thick skull that ignore canon and twist context or the lack of it to their convenience to fit their biased narratives.

do byler "geniuses"

not know how insulting it would to milevens and other people to show mike and el being in love and then come out and say, yeah no mike is actually gay and attracted to will. So queerbaiting is not OK but straightbaiting is? Not only is that personally insulting to mileven fans, but that's also narratively insulting and not at all an intelligent decision. What would the duffers gain by completely alienating some of their Fandom and fans just to appease a ship that isn't even a ship but a one sided crush? Think of the message there. That is very bad storytelling. Because here we are for 8 years thinking that mike and el are in love and then it turns out to be fake.

And once again im reminded just how much bylers hate el. But its ok. Because when she gets all the important battle scenes, scenes with mike and people remember who the real main lead is i will be more happy.

[justablogger234]

dude this is so dumb man. I seriously cant believe this idiots are that delusional. I almost feel bad.

I deadass burst out laughing reading this, "what was promised" you'd think the duffers signed an agreement that their delusions must come true in S5 LMAOOOO

[justablogger234]

You know what dude? You are just being an entitiled jerk. I dont have to respond to your questions and im not obligated to, I dont owe you any answers. And im sure by the end of this you're gonna go and cry or preach and brag to your fellow byler morons you somehow owned me or something and I dont care. I dont ignore canonical facts, I respect them and go from there. What you dumb dumbs have shown is you view canon and you use it to twist to your own dumb ideas and ridiculous narrative and you also ignore context and then you get mad when other people dont play that way and disagree with you.

Im a hypocrite? Really? No one told you to respond to my post. The same way you guys make fun of us, well I figure we also have that right as well cause im sick and tired of you loons being in our tag and posting negative stuff when we've repeatedly said to stay in your own dumb tag. Clearly what you said makes it clear that you are an entitled brat and quite arrogant as well ok, you're not gonna demand or suggest that I answer your questions when I know itll just go over your thick head and you'll just ended up twisting it to your own biased narrative.

So. No. I will not be responding your questions because I shouldn't have to and im not obligated to. I will say this, I dont believe in byler, I do accept that will has a one sided crush on mike but that is it. Mike clearly loves el and vice versa and that isnt changing anytime soon. As for byler theories, well they're either taking the show out of context or being used to twist the narrative with no logic. Alot of them dont even make sense and there's been plenty of stupid ones.

And what besides canonical evidence do I need to prove that mike and el are endgame? The directors comments? The actors comments? Or how about the narrative? Logically speaking byler would make no sense narratively speaking.

And either way id still ship mileven cause they just make sense together, they fit together and I dont need to prove why I think that. Everyone by now knows that I hate byler and it's dumb theories, that doesnt make me ignorant or afraid. It just means that im done with having to defend my ship from entitled jerks like who feel the need to attack a perfectly healthy ship because all of a sudden the guy you guys love is gay and has feelings for the other guy already in a very committed relationship with a girl he loves.

And if you dont read all of this i dont care. Just know that I owe you nothing, and that I shouldn't have to answer your questions because not doing so makes me a hypocrite.

If anything you're the hypocrite because you cant reason or accept actual canonical facts that prove mileven is endgame and instead use fanon to support your delusional ship.

I hope we never speak again you entitled brat, trying to bully me into giving you answers that youll just end up twisting or negating. Now go on and go tattle and brag to your dumb byler buddies that you got to one up a mileven and you came out the good guy, cause I know a jerk like you will do exactly that.

you know

Its super satisfying seeing the bylers doubt themselves. I've seen alot of these loons talk about byler doubt and have to reassure themselves that its just "straight baiting" or a diversion to keep the milevens happy and not ruin it. Yeah keep telling yourselves that you dummies. If you guys were actually so confident you wouldnt need to convince yourselves every 5 seconds. You dont have facts, you have opinions and theories. The only fact you have is that will is gay and likes mike. The facts we have is mike clearly likes girls and has only dated and shown romantic interest in el. And they've never shown any intention of wanting to leave each other.

But keep doubting yourselves, its fun to see. And keep on making fun of us, cause I promise you we'll be doing it for a long time after the shows over.

[justablogger234]

Im not in denial. Im in acceptance that mileven is endgame. You guys are the ones who cant even accept basic common sense or simple canonical details cause you dont wanna see the only gay boy on the show sad while. Whose gonna be in denial when the show is over? Not me that's for sure. So you get outta here with crap buddy.

you know

Its super satisfying seeing the bylers doubt themselves. I've seen alot of these loons talk about byler doubt and have to reassure themselves that its just "straight baiting" or a diversion to keep the milevens happy and not ruin it. Yeah keep telling yourselves that you dummies. If you guys were actually so confident you wouldnt need to convince yourselves every 5 seconds. You dont have facts, you have opinions and theories. The only fact you have is that will is gay and likes mike. The facts we have is mike clearly likes girls and has only dated and shown romantic interest in el. And they've never shown any intention of wanting to leave each other.

But keep doubting yourselves, its fun to see. And keep on making fun of us, cause I promise you we'll be doing it for a long time after the shows over.

[justablogger234]

Another smart mileven who also has common sense. Something that all milevens share but most bylers dont.

I've been digging in the trenches for more Mileven content, and even with all the "Mileven is a boring ahh ship" comments, say all you want, but I could care less, because at least I can actually go off of the scripts, teasers, promotion, trailers, scenes within the show, words from the cast, words from the writers, books, psycholoyical scientists (if that's the term), to KNOW my ship is endgame without having to look at literal shapes, colors, fake scripts, eye glances, lip glances, misinterpret soundtracks, and literal inconvenient objects in scenes to know my ship is endgame. You don't even know if it's Mike looking at Will or if it's literally just Finn's acting. You guys misinterpret scenes all of the time. Like how "In The Closet" starts playing when Mike projects during his fight with Will at Rank-O-Mania while searching for Eleven. Knowing what we do now, the actor himself, Noah Schnapp told us that Will was homosexual. Sure, Finn does support the Byler ship (Finn is a Mileven shipper by the way), but unlike Noah, he never once stated that Mike being homosexual was a possibility, so why in the world are we forcing that lifestyle onto a character that has absolutely no signs of being apart of that community like Will does. So that soundtrack was obviously relating to Will's situation with his clear-as-day feelings for Michael. "I mean, well, you can't just assume that Mike is gay" - Yes we can, simply from the fact that it's been prominent in his lifestyle literally thr first ever time we've watched the show. Eleven was the first girl to not be disguested by him, meaning Mike has been prying after girls before the show even started! When Mileven is endgame, don't be upset at the Duffers, be upset that you don't know the basics of being able to analyze a show, let alone a dynamic. Mike and Will are just a beautiful friendship, just straight up turning it into a romance completely defeats Will and Mike's tropes, which I bet you wouldn't want that, since you guys just love to bost about adequate writing like I do, and pedistalize them all the time. I'm sure you wouldn't want the potential of their characters to be put in jeopardy (they already did that with Will anyway). The fact that the two of you have a lawyer on your side does not mean that they're "smart" either, maybe in law, but not when it comes to ships. The lawyer should probably be like Mileven's scientists, and use actual, visible clues in the show and evidence from words of the Duffers instead of just using fan pages online to support his claims. I'd be horrified if he was my lawyer. Don't even try arguing with me as it would not change my views at all. Mileven endgame 💛💜

[justablogger234]

BYLERS GET OUT OF OUR TAG BYLERS GET OUT OF OUR TAG. GET OUT

You guys are super annoying and trying to see nice and calm mileven stuff is getting frustrating cause then I see you dumb people ruining the mood and it makes me wanna pick a fight. There's a reason no one likes you guys on reddit. And you've already poisoned tumblr and Twitter so what else do you want?

Leave our tag alone, we're already in small numbers here cause you morons drove away alot of milevens with your toxicity

FYI, im not saying this so bylers respond, itll just anger me and I really don't like you guys aside from the very few chill ones ive conversed with. Im saying this so more people will take into account how unfair we get treated and the double standards. But of course like a good chunk of you are toxic and biased and won't care, but there are some nice and good ones.

Anyway, seeing these guys in our tag just reminds me why I dislike them so much and hate the ship, and yes I am allowed to hate it the same way you guys hate mileven.

[justablogger234]

Its people like this who ruin the mileven tag. Go to your own space man. Seriously, this is why no one likes bylers.

Everyone point and laugh

[justablogger234]

Same 🤣.

mileven is endgame trust

[justablogger234]

mileven is endgame trust

[justablogger234]

Like I said, they have to tease and create hype. And it doesnt necessarily mean they're agreeing just if they're prepared. Its almost like in season 3 if they said are you ready for jopper? And jopper was together most of the season even if they were mostly arguing. They could say that for all the ships, they could even say it for stancy but then obviously nancy will choose Jonathan. So for me that statement doesnt really carry a pre-relationship weight. Are you ready is kinda like in the middle, neutral, cause it can be both positive and negative. The duffers have not explicitly or even teased the possibility of byler and remember, everyone has to create hype to get the highest number of viewers, remember that netflix is a business and they have to make money. Netflix might love the show but they also love making money so.

so #mw705 is a byler tumblr tag now bc allegedly when Joyce and Hopper kissed there were background boxes saying MW705 and now bylers are saying that’s a sign that byler will be canon in s5 ep 7

what are your thoughts on it? like I think it’s a bit of a stretch but I kinda see it

Sorry buddy, but that's definitely a stretch. That literally makes no sense. Not everything has to mean something in this show. I've said it before and I'll say it again, but this show is not Dark. Now that show requires nothing but focus and attention and everything had a hidden or double meaning. ST is different. It doesnt have to be complicated or too convoluted that no one can understand anything without picking it apart. If you think about it, the show is rather simple. The only people who would come to that conclusion are and im sorry but the delusional bylers. They've literally only been shown like very little from the teaser and all of a sudden mileven will break up. No sense at all.

[justablogger234]

So from what ive seen, there's more byler on YouTube than mileven and I don't know if there's bullying but I won't rule it out. And on Pinterest id say there's probably an equal amount but im not sure.

just a not so friendly reminder.

Suddenly mike liking will and getting together with him in season 5 would seem really cheap. Like you guys want byler so bad that you want mike to leave el for will? If the duffers were to listen to the backlash and complaints and suddenly make it seem that mike is in love with will after declaring his love for El in the previous season. Like wouldn't that seem cheap and reek of fan service? Like it's pretty pathetic. Some of you guys don't even want mike with will, some of yog just want will to be happy by any means necessary (even if it means the poor innocent girl who has suffered the whole season but is also ironically the main character suffers for it).

Don't tell me that you guys actually believe that mike likes will. Because there is nothing that could convince me that byler is real or that mike likes will. Looking at someone's lips a couple of times isn't necessarily concrete evidence that the dude likes will. And honestly have you guys seen how oblivious mike is?

[justablogger234]

and you're exactly right. But alot of milevens left because of all the toxicity that some bylers brought and that they're still bringing. And I dont mean you obviously but there's others. But yeah I wish there were more of us on here. Dont get me wrong there's tons of milevens but they probably just don't go online

just a not so friendly reminder.

Suddenly mike liking will and getting together with him in season 5 would seem really cheap. Like you guys want byler so bad that you want mike to leave el for will? If the duffers were to listen to the backlash and complaints and suddenly make it seem that mike is in love with will after declaring his love for El in the previous season. Like wouldn't that seem cheap and reek of fan service? Like it's pretty pathetic. Some of you guys don't even want mike with will, some of yog just want will to be happy by any means necessary (even if it means the poor innocent girl who has suffered the whole season but is also ironically the main character suffers for it).

Don't tell me that you guys actually believe that mike likes will. Because there is nothing that could convince me that byler is real or that mike likes will. Looking at someone's lips a couple of times isn't necessarily concrete evidence that the dude likes will. And honestly have you guys seen how oblivious mike is?