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Can we also talk about how Charlie gets excused for also being neglectful but Renee is somehow the devil incarnate it’s not that deep lmao who inflicts so much horrible abuse on Bella? Because that’s a double standard that never sat right with me.

there’s something so frustrating about smeyer saying bella likes cooking. bc like, i know people who love cooking! finding new recipes, and sharing the food they make, and people who bake when they’re stressed…that’s a super valid thing!

but the way smeyer writes it, bella’s never actually interested in the cooking itself, and she never actually enjoys it, she’s just doing it to like…take care of charlie. which sucks.

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Imagine wishing someone drops dead… but then in other posts pretending to have morals… I guess being the “most funny person on tumblr” overrides any fucking common sense ever.

I do not wish to hear anymore about J.K. Rowling unless it’s a report of her spontaneously dropping dead

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Imagine making a tumblr post whining about childless people, disabled people, mentally ill people not wanting children around them (for understandable reasons when you actually listen to them) and then calling other people whiny. Grow up you fucking weirdo.

Children are members of our society (some of the most vulnerable, in fact) and they will continue to exist and be in public spaces whether you want to have any or not, and whether you like them or not. Deal with it you fucking whiny assholes. 

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Except white women are actually oppressed and white men are not so them loving gone girl is a bit different. Hating white women isn’t a personality. It’s truly no wonder women don’t have a class consciousness. Y’all too busy hating each other for everything meanwhile men will just not care and dog you tf out and defend tf outta other men who do so. This is what some feminists be talking about when they say y’all will never get anywhere. You don’t see men doing all this towards other men, and when they are it’s usually because they want what the other has.

I hate white women so much like even their feminism is awful. All they want is the power to harm and kill people with impunity and get away with it the same way that men do. I mean, look at how they latched onto Gone Girl and Midsommar as the ultimate girlboss power movies! There’s no compassion in their fight for liberation from the patriarchy. There’s no love in it; they’re only concerned for how THEY THEMSELVES and women like them can wield power over those weaker than them. White women’s feminism is nothing more than shallow, self serving cruelty.

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Dude that person didn’t ask you to name everyone in the series. So don’t get smart and say “that would be ridiculous”. All they said was that you could have named Rosalie, that’s it. It’s ridiculous that you even said that as some sort of rebuttal. It doesn’t even make sense. Y’all say the dumbest shit here and really think it makes you somebody lmao.

What are your thoughts on the fact that Victoria and Maria might have the best control in the vampire world

I mean, we barely see Victoria so she could theoretically be the best in the world. It's extremely unlikely though.

Maria is not, as she warned Jasper before biting him that there was a 50-50 chance she'd lose control and drain him. Not the words of a woman with great control.

In order to be the best in the vampire world she would have to be able to beat Edward, who bit his singer repeatedly while in a state of starvation, or Carlisle who doesn't even notice blood anymore. If she risks losing control over a random person while her eyes are a bright, recently fed red, then no she's not better than Edward or Carlisle.

As for Victoria, it's true she has good control as she is able to turn people. We do not know that she had a 100% success rate, which leaves the extent of her control unknown.

However, a lot of vampires in Twilight are able to create vampires. Amun, Aro, Benito, Benjamin, Boris (created Laurent), Carlisle, Edward, George (created Alistair), Hilda (created Heidi) Kachiri, Sasha (created the Denali), Sinclair (created Siobhan), Siobhan, and countless anonymous creators, such as Alice's creator.

To say nothing of Joham (vomit) and the Denali (also vomit), who are able to have sex with humans without killing them.

Then there is Aro, who has lived for 3500 years and met countless people, who explicitly states that Carlisle and Edward are the best controlled vampires he has ever come across.

There is nothing that indicates Victoria being the best in the vampire world. Quite the contrary.

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Hey Peach, did you make it to Sprout Tower for the Great Bellsprout Festival this year?

I didn’t make it sadly, but Pari did!

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It’s not. I didn’t even know you existed till now lol.

nobody is saying that bi ppl in het relationships are less bisexual or that their relationship dynamic is gonna play out the exact same way as a straight person’s straight relationship would but for god’s sake if you’re that violently against being perceived as straight/in a straight relationship despite being in a m/f relationship maybe don’t be in a straight relationship? i’m so serious. if you don’t want to look straight simply do not date the opposite sex. it reeks of insecurity in your own sexuality if you need constant validation of it and that’s nobody’s problem except your own.

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And no one is obligated to read every hot take dissertation post you write lol

nobody is saying that bi ppl in het relationships are less bisexual or that their relationship dynamic is gonna play out the exact same way as a straight person’s straight relationship would but for god’s sake if you’re that violently against being perceived as straight/in a straight relationship despite being in a m/f relationship maybe don’t be in a straight relationship? i’m so serious. if you don’t want to look straight simply do not date the opposite sex. it reeks of insecurity in your own sexuality if you need constant validation of it and that’s nobody’s problem except your own.

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This comment is what they mean when mfs say “men noises” because who tf asked you?

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the cool kids

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recently got back into an old hyperfixation of mine (do they ever really go away?). I hope this doesn’t turn bad.

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Pokemon Food Pins made by YuuKen

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@t-e-reynolds “ReNeE iS bAd bEcAuSe ShE ChAnGeD a RoOm!! WAHH!”

Honey, I KNOW what it says in the books that doesn’t mean I have to believe it. How much shit has meyer written in the books that’s technically canon but so many people choose not to believe because it’s absolutely ridiculous?? Oh wait, it’s because y’all like picking and choosing as usual lmao.

#blockannoyingpeoplechallenge.

Yeah because you can’t handle people not agreeing with you and can’t have an “argument” without running scared to the block button or grabbing friends to do your dirty work for you lol. You’re SO dedicated to hating a character you can’t look past it and open your mind to deep thought and different perspective.

#ItsTheReneeApolgistAgain #TheOneWhoSentEveryoneThoseAsksCallingUsMysoginistsForHatingHer #DoesNothingButStartDrama

• I am not a “Renee stan” nor am I a “Renee apologist” I literally just have critical thinking skills, I hate Meyer and I know how fucking shitty and fake she is when it comes to characters. Me defending a character and giving a different point of view doesn’t automatically make me a fucking “stan” christ get off fucking tumblr

• I’m not listening to a literal twilight/cullen apologist try to call me a “Renee apologist” for literally having common sense to read, see and think past a bunch of shitty words in canon put together for an agenda and forming my own opinion instead of listening to a bunch of other people taking them at face value, not thinking any further as to why it’s like that, and just believing in them wholeheartedly with my whole chest like it isn’t utterly ridiculous just because a bunch of other people are doing it too.

• I literally never sent y’all asks?? As far as I can recall I only sent one person an ask on the topic of Renee.. so where are all these other “asks” you’re talking about? This may come as a surprise to you but ummm maybe some people just don’t agree with you? Maybe more than one person? I know you live in a vaccum so that might be hard for your tiny brain to grasp.

• You are mysoginist for hating a female character for the smallest reasons (and literally wanting her to die) yet simping over male characters who do the same things and worse. What’s not clicking??

• How am I starting drama by giving my own opinion and perspective? Just like y’all do??? Get a grip ffs. Y’all do nothing but start drama on the DAILY but someone stating their own opinion is “starting drama” please...

Renee is a human person with flaws who doesn’t “only ever think of herself”, if that’s the case bella would be dead lmao. Bella wouldn’t have lived as okay as she did. I can just TELL y’all are white lmao. So she changed her daughters room after she moved out. SO WHAT?? She’s bad for repurposing a room that was most likely empty and vacant and not gonna be used again?? Really??? People do that all the time it doesn’t make someone an “EvIL BiTch NaRcIsSiSt whO NeVeR CaReD”. I promise you it’s not that deep.

But Charlie isn’t a POS for literally excusing her fucking sexual assault and also acting helpless? Yes you are a mysoginist clear as day if you literally give Charlie the benefit of the doubt over more serious shit and act like he’s so pure and shit but cry and bitch about Renee over something like a fucking vacant room. Mothers are always way more scrutinized than fathers, the proof is in the pudding. The way y’all talk about her and the insults you use show your mysoginy tf?? Sorry you can’t get your head out of meyers ass for two seconds to see past her bullshit (for every minor character, not just your faves). Also I’ve never spoken to you before a day in my life so I have no idea what you mean about how you’ve “HaD ThIs ArGuMeNt” with me before. You’re weird asf and that’s how I know you can’t think critically about what you’ve been fed. It’s a shame I have to explain this again myself because you’re so stuck up and so afraid to challenge your close minded ass thoughts.

Anyways Renee is not that bad and was made worse over time because of meyer weather you wanna believe it or not. You can fall back on canon all you want but that doesn’t make it any less fucking ridiculous. Any other time y’all wanna ignore canon, but not when you think it helps your case.

And a lot of what y’all say is wrong too and not well thought out. Y’all love calling people bad for the dumbest shit.

@fuckmeyer: First, Foremost and For The Last Time: I know canon. I don’t need your links or your quotes. I don’t need the condescending white superior attitude just because I have a different opinion. Your facts that you’ve given me doesn’t really change or challenge what I’m saying. I’m so tired of white people talking down to me like I’m stupid and can’t understand basic English language nor canon. I’m a person.

Women being treated unfairly and SM changing how renee is presents literally does back up my argument beyond that and you’re proving it right now. Renee was seen as ditzy, eccentric and childish before then right? Same as Jacob was seen as “the sun” and a nice guy. But she was never shown as a narcissistic evil mother that didn’t care about her daughter... why does that change and why does she add more and more stuff to make her look even more bad and careless?? Same way she did Jacob?? Canon literally is on my side because it shows in her writing.

“10 years old is not acceptable for a child to take over bookkeeping PLUS manage household etc doesn’t matter who was doing it clearly it wasn’t being done or else she wouldn’t have felt the need to pick it up”

Again, that’s the point. It clearly was being done because how else wouldn’t it have? You all are also missing the point why would a 10 year old know or even do bookkeeping? You really expect me to believe she was doing that just because meyer wrote it? When meyer is known to put things in just to make her fave self insert look better without them actually being/having done that thing? Y’all know this, and y’all choose not to go for certain things for certain other characters because of it... why’s this so new? That part isn’t selling your point.

“All of renee’s bad traits check, they’re just emphasized in Midnight Sun”

“They’re just emphasized in Midnight Sun.”

Thank you for proving my point. Meyer literally changed her character BY emphasizing and over exaggerating her traits such as childishness and such, turning them into something to be viewed a lot more negatively where they previously weren’t before even by Bella herself because she still loves her mother and sees her in a better light.

Also trying to be a good parent is a lot better than not trying at all, which a lot of people are acting like she never did, and i didn’t mean “harmless” as in harmless parent. I meant harmless as in not directly trying to harm bella as so many people seem to believe for some reason. Bella being concerned about finances at age 10 should clue you in to how ridiculous and obvious meyer is when it comes to trying too hard to give her SI every favorable trait like being “smart” and a “caretaker” by dumbing everyone else down around her making them look worse. I truly don’t understand how y’all aren’t getting what I’m saying. But yet you all understand this concept for many other characters. It obviously wasn’t that rough if she had all her needs met and wasn’t that bad off. I’m not feeling bad for no obvious privileged white girl who lived normally but maybe had to learn some things about responsibility as she grew up. That’s literally how a lot of immigrant/poc/non-americans/people in non-first-world countries live. We don’t have the luxury of mommy waiting on us hand and foot till we’re 20 and we don’t expect it. We learn as we grow. We don’t have the luxury of not having to learn about certain things at a certain age. It’s no wonder y’all grow up not knowing how to do shit and deal with the real world. Y’all REALLY want me to feel bad for Ms. White Girl who was favored by everyone and got everything and barely had to really struggle while everyone else got the scraps.

Your arguments aren’t that convincing either. You just said what everyone else has said, it all kind of sounds the same and none of you seem to actually acknowledge what I’m saying. You all refer back to canon without actually thinking about/through canon. Your points don’t really back up your argument, and canon isn’t actually on your side either.

To address your tags:

“#Maria has entered the chat 💀” you must have read my point wrong because I wasn’t talking about other minor characters like Maria. I know how she was treated. She’s apart of my point in that tag actually! I literally mentioned Alice as an example in the tags... 💀

And yes I’ve seen a lot of people excuse his behavior by screaming “MEYER MADE HIM DO IT!!” upon many other things but even if they aren’t excusing it why also act like he’s some great parent and also not a POS?? Not criticizing him while acting like he’s a great parent instead is still sorta excusing his behavior or pretending it doesn’t exist. So yes. That also tracks.

“#Also untrue?” Actually yes it also true? I have never really seen anyone give characters like Alice, Edward, Jacob, Rosalie, Carlisle, The Volturi etc.. THIS type of energy. The constant and consistent hate from MAJORITY of people?? For being just like Renee and worse?? No I haven’t seen it. They don’t talk about them the same when they do finally give them criticism too. They don’t call for their deaths and call them names and insult them constantly and act like it’s funny. They simply don’t.

I don’t know who you’re following where they do that at but please point me to the direction where it’s that SAME energy consistently the way it’s given to very MINOR characters like Renee who RANDOMLY started getting hate from damn near the entire fandom at every single mention out of nowhere... Your twilight fandom isn’t as WoKeTM as you think. I’ve seen shitty behavior get excused countless times for certain characters.

NOTE: I’m always open for a more respectful conversation! I mean that on both ends because I know I came off harsh too. My DM’s are open! I’m really not here to StArT DrAmA, just to give my thoughts and perspective, but I won’t deal with being disrespected and lied on either. I won’t block. I’m not scary nor am I childish, I can handle it.

So i just had a thought while rereading twilight, but it seems kinda weird that Bella’s mom is positioned as a neglectful mother, and all round a flaky person, and she’s a single mom+left a man. I feel like there’s another layer of mormonism+misogyny there, but maybe I’m just reading into it?

It just seemed before MS that renee was probably neurodivergent, especially because she keeps hopping from hobby to hobby and has rlly bad memory. I related a lot to renee, and i have ADHD. But the negative parts of renees character didn’t even come out until MS, and i feel like if smeyer wanted to stab single mothers she wouldve just done it in the original series? But there is just smth rlly weird about it

Idk~~~~~ need another opinion

@fuckmeyer pls help; i trust ur brain more than mine.

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Y’all always screaming about people not reading and listening to your think pieces and then y’all say this shit.

nobody is saying that bi ppl in het relationships are less bisexual or that their relationship dynamic is gonna play out the exact same way as a straight person’s straight relationship would but for god’s sake if you’re that violently against being perceived as straight/in a straight relationship despite being in a m/f relationship maybe don’t be in a straight relationship? i’m so serious. if you don’t want to look straight simply do not date the opposite sex. it reeks of insecurity in your own sexuality if you need constant validation of it and that’s nobody’s problem except your own.

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Renee having adhd isn’t uncomfortable to me because it makes sense as someone with adhd and who has family members with adhd and I know that not everyone with adhd is the exact same nor is anyone a perfect parent. You can have adhd and not do that but not everyone is like that and it may not be right but it also doesn’t mean she deserves to die like a lot of people on here be saying. (Wishing death on a human for something so dumb is weird) I’m sorry but I refuse to believe bella was balancing checkbooks and doing taxes at 10 years old, I mean Someone had to be doing them and everything else before bella was old enough to even read. I absolutely think most women in the series suffered under meyer to make bella look special or more respectable doesn’t matter who had it worse. She made renee look helpless and dumb to make bella look like a mature caretaker, she did the same to Charlie. Lots of the female characters usually suffer with being made to have deep flaws to make bella look better in comparison Leah, Jessica, Rosalie etc... Especially with the new edition of Midnight Sun which she intentionally made her worse and is why I don’t take it seriously. Renee was not nearly this “bad” before midnight sun came out and I think it’s unfair for people to wish death on her and call her all these mysoginistic names and give her all this extra hate over exaggerated meyer bs and then act like Charlie is the better parent when he literally excused her sexual assault and let her run wild and out and was hardly a parent himself. The clear difference in the harsh way mothers are scrutinized while fathers are let off for everything says a lot about mysoginy and unfair standards a lot of people have.

I think the way renee is treated is unfair a lot of the time because she at first and at most she was just a young free-sprinted woman who had to go through the trauma of pregnancy, left the small town because she wanted a better life for her daughter, and held off doing things like dating and other things to work and care for her as a single mother until she grew older and learned more responsibilities and renee felt she could relax a little more and become who she really wanted to be while still caring for her daughter and wanting to spend a lot of time with her and you can tell she really cherished those times with her. She really didn’t come off as narcissistic to me at all and I have narcissistic parents. At most she seems like a harmless ditzy mom. Not the evil narcissistic villain I’ve seen so many people make her out to be which honestly came out of left field. I’ve never seen so many people start to randomly hate a very small and underdeveloped character for no reason out of nowhere except for maybe Mike who ive also seen people wishing death on for him simply being human. Y’all never have this much to say about any of the bigger characters who are way worse. I think her having adhd makes sense and it shouldn’t be uncomfortable to say that just because everyone wants to chalk an entire character (that’s very small might I add) up to some negative traits when that isn’t done to anyone else and it’s all pretty much either new or exaggerated stuff.

So i just had a thought while rereading twilight, but it seems kinda weird that Bella’s mom is positioned as a neglectful mother, and all round a flaky person, and she’s a single mom+left a man. I feel like there’s another layer of mormonism+misogyny there, but maybe I’m just reading into it?

It just seemed before MS that renee was probably neurodivergent, especially because she keeps hopping from hobby to hobby and has rlly bad memory. I related a lot to renee, and i have ADHD. But the negative parts of renees character didn’t even come out until MS, and i feel like if smeyer wanted to stab single mothers she wouldve just done it in the original series? But there is just smth rlly weird about it

Idk~~~~~ need another opinion

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It’s kinda hard to believe that it’s not a race thing when in actuality every single fandom calls an interracial ship even when it’s actually romantically canon, a “brotp”. Or when every flirtatious or romantic banter between a poc and a white character is disregarded as “sisterly” or “brotherly”  or “creepy and forced” by the fandom.

It’s hard not to believe it’s a race thing when every fandom vilifies a good-natured or normal poc while romanticizing the abusive white character. It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when every fandom accuses the poc when they’re affectionate towards a white character of being too aggressive or so platonic, but encourage abuse between two white characters and call it “romantic”. It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when every fandom treats a healthy interracial ship like it’s disgusting while freely and gleefully shipping incestuous white/white ships or shipping abusive white/white ships- which are always the most popular in every fandom.

It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when a show or film can be predominantly poc and the fandom still will only care about the 1 or 2 side white characters. It’s hard not to believe it’s a race thing when a poc can be fully fleshed out and the fandom still will make a white side character with one line the most popularly meta’d character.

It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when every poc is automatically labeled by every fandom as the “dad” of the group or the “mom” of the group for no reason other than to do away with every characterization of the poc so they can just be reduced to a simple trope so the fandom doesn’t have to care about them.

It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when every single fandom in existence treats poc characters and even poc actors the same exact negative way. They are always lesser than, always less than romantic, always less than a lead character, always less than relevant, to the white characters/actors in fandoms. When every fandom treats the main poc like a side character and the side white character like the main character.

It’s hard to believe it’s not a race thing when poc are stripped of any affection or dehumanized by every fandom especially when they get in the way of an incestuous or abusive white ship. When these microaggressions every fandom inflicts upon poc are in fact racist. But every fandom tells you it’s not a race thing even as they repeat the exact same negative and dehumanizing behavior of every other fandom towards interracial pairings and poc in general.

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Jasper stans are so cringey and annoying. They have the worst taste.