@lawgirljess sorry for the dean bias accusation abwhsbbsbdbdbd the phrasing of that made me laugh
I tend to assume even sam enjoyers (as opposed to self-declared dean stans who also do this) who express a preference for early-seasons sam can’t connect with mid-to-late seasons sam because of the issues with the narrative… also makes me sad when people don’t tough it out for late-seasons sam because there is so much to uncover about him as a character if you hold on tight </3
ALSO while I’m talking about this it bugs me when people draw a line between early-seasons dean and late-seasons dean as if they are two totally different guys; the former likable and the latter not; as if the roots of dean’s behavior in the later seasons weren’t laid out in the early seasons if you know what to look for. there is a lot more nuance to dean than this fandom gives him credit for on any side - ironically enough given he (more accurately, the fandom’s patchwork version of him) is supposedly the favorite.
sorry I had some pent-up energy from looking at unrelated posts a little bit ago 💀
also there is the part of me that thinks about supernatural and feels insane about the monster dean becomes and there's also the part of me that watched supernatural at 13 with my mom and laughs when dean makes jokes
that's fair, absolutely understand and agree w your points! to defend my position a little tho, bc i get where you're coming from but from what i understand i don't think what you're saying points to my perspective -- late seasons sam appeals less to me not bc i think he got boring (late seasons sam is literally a masterclass in some of the most heartbreakingly oblivious writing about abuse i've ever seen and i think about it constantly) he appeals less to me bc the show appeals less to me then. like the writing is just objectively worse. and if i'm so honest i'm coasting off an obsession from seven years ago, i stopped watching the show bc i caught up to the season that was currently airing (s11, toughed it out most of the way through 13) and waiting every week just to see sam get ignored and trod on while also being expected to care about the fuckass major plotline of the season was not enough to sustain my focus 😔. absolutely get what you mean re: people saying sam was 'ruined' or whatever later on when he remained an incredibly rich character throughout, but i don't think it's remiss to say that some people don't favor episodes from late seasons bc they are just. worse. like yeah i fuck w beat the devil but then i gotta think about the apocalypse world storyline and that is never going to be my first choice when episodes like nightmare and metamorphosis exist iykwim
and re: dean! i have never been a dean stan and never will be but the distinction of early and late seasons dean for me is when he goes from compelling in a kind of tragic, young, he-will-become-his-father-eventually-even-though-he-is-currently-trying-his-best-to-be-better way to i literally don't care about this man at all. he does some incredibly fucked up things in the early seasons, especially s4, but the narrative stakes of say, him locking sam in the panic room at the culmination of the 'is sam something we hunt' storyline when heaven told him to stop sam and john told him to stop sam (and then leaving the voicemail where he tries to backpedal) feels different from like. dean kills amy even though they work with crowley regularly. dean tricks sam into letting gadreel in even though we've had a million sam and autonomy storylines and dean is fully aware of this. dean treats jack exactly how he treated s4 sam and is surprised and angry when this makes jack suicidal. his early actions absolutely lay the groundwork for who he'll be and what the show will become later -- the fact that his s4 actions are always positioned as correct and sam's as wrong even when he also wanted to kill lilith to begin with is kind of the beginning of the end of the show even pretending to be equal between their viewpoints -- but in early seasons it's the first time he makes those decisions. there's no switch that gets flipped and there's no surprise by the time he's breaking out the dictatorship line, because that's where it was always going, but early on it feels like there's still a chance it didn't have to. if sam went from being angry to being beaten, dean kind of goes from being lost for a while to settling into a role he openly decried in s1 and as time goes on that's less heartbreaking than it is infuriating. he makes the same mistakes and never learns from them and i lose respect for and interest in him every single time. anyways i'm rambling a little, but i guess what i'm trying to say is that i differentiate between early/late seasons dean bc he's always had that nuance, and it's always been compelling, but he becomes less compelling to me when i lose pretty much all sympathy for him later on. i know this isn't the same for everyone and being a dean hater throughout is a viewpoint i understand, but i can enjoy him being silly early on bc i still have sympathy for him even though him being silly later makes me want him dead. also my only sibling is my charming troublemaker older brother so it's a little bit of a weak point <3
sorry for the rant i just hope that this makes my position a little more clear bc i truly cannot stand the thought of someone thinking i don't have nuanced thoughts on this show, especially when it's a blog whose opinions i respect <3
@lawgirljess sorry for the dean bias accusation abwhsbbsbdbdbd the phrasing of that made me laugh
I tend to assume even sam enjoyers (as opposed to self-declared dean stans who also do this) who express a preference for early-seasons sam can’t connect with mid-to-late seasons sam because of the issues with the narrative… also makes me sad when people don’t tough it out for late-seasons sam because there is so much to uncover about him as a character if you hold on tight </3
ALSO while I’m talking about this it bugs me when people draw a line between early-seasons dean and late-seasons dean as if they are two totally different guys; the former likable and the latter not; as if the roots of dean’s behavior in the later seasons weren’t laid out in the early seasons if you know what to look for. there is a lot more nuance to dean than this fandom gives him credit for on any side - ironically enough given he (more accurately, the fandom’s patchwork version of him) is supposedly the favorite.
sorry I had some pent-up energy from looking at unrelated posts a little bit ago 💀
hard to narrow it down bc to me spn is just my favorite episodes and a bunch of filler but if i had to pick my favorite faves are probably nightmare, simon said, ahbl pt1, mystery spot, jus in bello, metamorphosis, changing channels, and red meat! my priorities are pretty clear lol
either a wincestie or a non-shipper who wishes the angel plots hadn’t pulled focus away from samndean’s relationship
favorite season is s3
refers to kripke era in glowing terms
enjoyed the series finale
dean bias (though perhaps you’re not conscious of it)
taking a ceramics class and intro to comp sci this semester and it's so funny to go from a reading about the feminine body of the vase and the masculine length of the spout to the sentence "programming is an odd thing in a way. here is why."
jared and jensen's telepathic communication (weird phrase but i don't know how else to describe what happened) about whether they're thinking of the same story or not ?? also the fact that they were but it wasn't the one jared wanted to tell
jensen's initial reaction being like dude do not be Spilling anything about us right now
jared being able to place jensen's exact expressions + mimic his very popular "WHAT?"
jensen's very obvious joy in being retold a story about him that he doesn't remember
him asking jared follow-up questions about a detail of his story
jared was a keanu reaves fan because of course he was. i wonder if he's ever seen my own private idaho 1991
sam winchester character slip
third wheeling their whole audience with more telepathic communication and their inside joke