lucairo123
lucairo123
traumatized weirdo
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my blog about things and stuff-23 year old bi trans demiguy officially diagnosed with autism deppression and anxiety self diagnosed with C-PTSD . Traumagenic system , likely osdd. Sexual and emotional abuse survivor . Working on getting better at French (somewhere around A2-B1 ish) and learning Hebrew (newb) . Syskids sideblog-lucairolittles
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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The conversation around media piracy is never really going to be a black-and-white "always good" or "always bad," because it's so situational.
I'd really prefer people didn't pirate my book, because I am an independent, self-published author who makes like thirty cents per sale and regularly has to e-beg in order to get groceries. Maybe don't pirate from people in my situation.
Meanwhile, it's currently very imperative that people preserve as many things being purged from HBO Max as possible, because even the creators are saying they don't know the fate of the shows right now. The corporations that own everything are screwing people over and restricting access to the art.
Authors have been screwed over by publishing houses over book piracy issues, and legitimate sales numbers can sometimes make or break an author's career. In that sort of circumstance you should get books through shops or the local library, if you can.
But on the flip side, I recently tried very hard to go through legal sources to get my hands on some books for a project I'm working on. Half my booklist is out of print or hard to find, the local libraries didn't have it, the inter-library loan system was complicated to navigate, and the only "accessible" copies cost almost $100 on Thriftbooks. Pirating the PDFs is the only way I'm able to read them at all, just like several documentaries I downloaded that are only available through paid streaming services I can't afford.
Sometimes piracy is a dick move, sometimes it's vital to media preservation, sometimes it's a grey area, most of the time you've gotta make a personal judgment call on what constitutes "ethical piracy."
I generally adhere to the guideline "fuck over as few artists as possible; fuck over corporations as much as you can."
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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people. stop using words like psychotic/delusional/psychopath/sociopath/etc as an insult PLEASE oh my god...
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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I think people need to tell more kids that they're proud of them for graduating high school. I'm absolutely dead serious, especially now. I can see the graduating high schoolers surrounding me right now are burned out and traumatized and depressed, and they've undoubtedly had a much, much harder time in high school than I ever had, and I had some pretty shitty high school experiences.
I graduated high school with no more acknowledgement than the standard "congrats on surviving another year of school!" And immediately followed by "have you finished all your scholarship applications?" That was fine for me. I knew i wanted to go to college, I was set and ready for it, eager to get out of high school into more challenging courses.
But if I just finished high school after two years of fighting through online courses and no one acknowledged the battles I went through? If I was as burnt out and traumatized as these kids are right now? I'd have never have gone to college.
So for everyone graduating high school, even if you barely scraped by passing: I see you. I'm proud of you. You did such a good job. I wish you success in what you try to do, fortune enough to keep you safe and happy, and health always.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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I did my thesis on eugenics and forced sterilization in Canadian history (indigenous specific) and the next cis woman to say that men should collectively be forced to get vasectomies for points on some kind imaginary scoreboard of rights is getting sent a copy of the records I had to sift thru of men, mostly indigenous, racialized, developmentally disabled, or poor men, being sterilized against their wills and often without their knowledge.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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idk maybe it’s just me but saying shit like “uterus havers” and “people who can get pregnant” “people with vaginas” “afab people” feels performative. it’s redundant. if you need an abortion, you can get pregnant. if you can get pregnant you have a uterus. you can just say people. people who need abortions. people who need birth control. people who rely on planned parenthood.
bc lets be real, those three things i just listed are not synonyms! there are people with uteri who can’t get pregnant! there are afab people without uteri! there are people with none of those parts who can never get pregnant but still need services that planned parenthood provides.
like honestly saying “people affected by [current issue]” is always going to be more precise than your approximation based on related traits.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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Why is it ok to talk shit about Christians but it's wrong to say anything about Muslims. Muslims hate you too!
Because Muslims don't have a majority control of the United States or the Western empire at large. White people attack Islam because they see it as a non-white, non-Christian religion and accuse its followers of doing the things they themselves do. And, when western, white atheists shittalk Islam it's always racist ideas and not real criticisms. "Muslims hate you too!" Maybe. But no Muslim has threatened me with conversion therapy and death. Christians and Atheists have. Islam is not the religion that has hurt and scarred me my entire life.
Don't like it? Cope.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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We have been plural for nearly a decade, and we are very strongly pro-endo. We are admins of a large inclusionist plural server, and we have been participants in several research projects aiming to study non-traumagenic plurality. Our goal has always been a united, peaceful, inclusive plural community where systems of all origins can feel safe and comfortable. 
While we vehemently disagree with anti-endo systems, we want to make it clear that the ongoing doxxing campaigns are morally reprehensible, and should cease immediately. Terrorizing traumatized kids on the internet is the antithesis of our mission.
If you’re an endogenic system or an endo-friendly system, I encourage you to speak out against this campaign as well.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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"men don't need to be afraid walking around at night"
Unless they're black
"men make more than women in jobs"
Black men make less than white women on average
"men don't get followed around by people who mean them harm"
Black men are heavily policed and regularly jumped and killed for just walking down the street
"no one tells a man what he can and cannot do with his own body"
Black men are repeatedly assaulted and have their hair forcibly shaved or cut for wearing their hair natural and in culturally important styles. Black men who choose body modifications like tattoos or piercings are branded as thugs. Black men who have children and black men who don't have children are both regarded as players, hounddogs, absent fathers, and baby daddies, as if the logical answer is that no one's first choice of partner and father of their children would ever be a black man.
"no one judges a man's worth based on his clothes"/"a man isn't ever in danger no matter what he wears"
Black men are required to look presentable and professional according to eurocentric standards, push themselves into clothes not made for their bodies, and be highly uncomfortable in their daily lives or else risk 'fitting the profile' or 'matching the description' and getting detained by police AT BEST for the crime of existing in public. Black men wearing comfortable clothes are seen as sloppy, thugs, gangsters, street rats, hood and ghetto.
"no man fears rape"
The rape and sexual assault of black men ties directly to black buck stereotypes and black fetishization to the point where liking a black person or having your dating pool be open to black people is treated like a sexuality much like being gay. People are both threatened by and aroused by our bodies and that leads them to perform extreme acts of violence on us, including rape, SA, coercion, trafficking, and more. Much like how "tranny" and "lesbian" is a porn category, so is Big Black Cock. Sometimes with us featured as the rapist. Sometimes with us featured as the victim. Almost never with us featured as intimate, passionate, loving, tender. Black men are either to be feared and reviled, or to be broken and forced to submit. Direct ties to slavery with white people still getting off to our suffering.
Just say you don't care as much about black people's suffering and go, jesus.
I have privilege because I sometimes pass as a man? Try walking in my shoes for a while. Turns out being a black man vs being a black woman isn't always so different.
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lucairo123 · 3 years ago
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we need to have a serious talk about antisemitism in America. yesterday, there was a hostage situation in a synagogue in Texas, where a gunman took for people including a rabbi hostage. he wanted to have some guy released from prison. I forget who, but he was charged with 80 something years back in 2010. so what do you think this gunman does? does he contact the police or the president and demand the prisoner be released?
no. he tells the rabbi to call another rabbi in New York, and to have that rabbi release the prisoner. now, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that his plan was completely stupid. the rabbi in New York had no relation to with prisoner, the prison he was in, or even the justice system at all. so why did the gunman think that the new york rabbi would have the authority to release a random prisoner who was sentenced 12 years ago? one word. antisemitism
most antisemites have the insane belief that all Jews are secretly controlling the world, or the government, or the banks, or natural disasters, or… you get it. its entirely based on fake and antisemitic conspiracy theories, and it literally gets people killed. this gunman thought that a rabbi in New York had the authority and power and ability to release a prisoner who I’m pretty sure isn’t even imprisoned in the state of New York (don’t quote me on that though).
antisemitic conspiracy theories, even as jokes, literally get us Jews hurt or killed. those are your “lizard people”. your “space lasers”. your “new world order”. your “George Soros money”. all those insane baseless conspiracy theories, even as a joke, cause severe damage to Jews. because people will believe it.
I haven’t seen any non-Jews talk about what happened yesterday. that’s not surprising. very rarely will goyim care about Jews unless one of their close friends is Jewish. but it’s still upsetting. there is still so much antisemitism and hate towards Jewish people in the world today.
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Yeah I can confirm , I’m a dfab with a vagina and I had to see a urologist as a kid to figure out why I kept having accidents
Trans women who have had surgery still need to visit the urologist, not the gynecologist, because the former is familiar with our surgeries and the latter is not. You need to stop lying and spreading misinformation which could get someone killed.
Wow, everything you said is completely wrong. So it's very funny that you think my 'misinformation' is going to 'get someone killed'. That hyperbole is fear mongering and also that's just a really aggressive way to speak to a complete stranger. Especially to accuse me of 'lying'.
So let me clear up your misunderstandings.
Firstly, urologist specialize in the urinary system, which include the bladder and kidneys and also the uterus. They aren't like the male version of gynecologists. For example, urologist treat organ prolapse, where the bladder, uterus, or colon "fall" into the vagina, or will treat fistulas, especially bladder fistulas. (Which is a hole connecting the bladder and vagina.)
Secondly, Vaginoplasties are preformed by reconstructive surgeons not urologist or gynecologist in the vast, vast majority of cases. Also, vaginoplasties are not a trans specific surgery. Severe vaginal injuries, such as those caused by childbirth or disease, are also treated with a vaginoplasty.
It's laughable any ol' off the shelf urologist is "familiar" with the surgery. Plenty of doctors still refuse to preform even the simplest trans-specific healthcare 'because it's not a usual part of their practice they are comfortable preforming' let alone complex reconstructive surgery.
But my original comment wasn't about vaginoplasties, it was about checking the cervix for cancer.
So, thirdly, trans women aren't the only women with neo-cervixies. In addition to the above, people who have undergone hysterectomies of one kind or another often have a neo-cervix as well. Or, for example, if someone has cervical cancer, and needs their cervix removed, they give that person another cervix.
Because the cervix is a very important part of that set of anatomy. It keeps the uterus and other organs from prolapsing (just falling out) and is also something of a barrier that keeps junk out of the uterus. And if you don't have a uterus, it keeps junk out of the abdominal cavity.
The procedure to check a cervix for cancer is the same regardless of if its a neo-cervix or a cervix-cervix.
Meaning, gynecologist are also familiar with the cervix aspect of a vaginoplasty. As well as the rest of the vaginoplasty. Because they treat people who've had vaginoplasties. So, you know, it's perfectly normal to go see a gynecologist to have your vagina looked at.
A basic pap smear is actually simple enough it can be done with an at home kit (though if anything needs to be biopsied they'll need you in the stirrups for that).
So uh, recommending you see a gynecologist for a vaginal specific issue isn't horribly dangerous misinformation, it isn't even misinformation. It's a perfectly normal thing to do.
If a surgeon made you a vagina, that surgeon should tell you what vagina problems to look out for, what health screening you need, and what specialists you should have preform those tests for you. They'll also likely be able to refer you to someone trans friendly if needed.
Getting an at home pap smear test from a general practitioner is not a big deal. There's no need to see a urologist for that. If you need your neo-cervix biopsied there's no reason not to go see a gynocologist since trans women aren't the only ones with neo cervix.
And also most urologist offices aren't going to have speculums and stirrups.
Trans health care is not some big secret only select medical disciplines are let in on.
A general practitioner can prescribe hormones and keep you up to date on the tests you need for that. A plastic surgeon with experience is going to preform the surgeries, MtF or FtM. A general practitioner can send you home with a pap smear kit, or preform one in the office, even. A gynecologist can look at your vagina, because it's not a special or trans exclusive vagina. A urologist can look at a urinary tract or bladder infection or what have you.
Acting like trans health care is some super secret complicated thing is transphobic. That's something transphobic doctors say as an excuse not to treat trans people.
A friend of mine had a complication develop after surgery and needed a local urologist to fix it. The long term fix was surgical, but the urologist could have drained the painful mass that developed while she traveled to see her surgeon. But he refused. So did the doctors at the Emergency Room.
So she got to enjoy a very painful very long very bumpy bus ride from her rural college to the city where her surgeon was so he could take care of it for her.
YOU'RE the one who needs to 'stop lying and spreading misinformation' because your misinformation perpetuates the excuse transphobic doctors use to avoid treating trans people at all.
It is not a trans need to have a painful surgical complication corrected and it is not complicated to drain an abscess. But that doctor refused her, not because the abscess was caused by an unfamiliar surgery, but because she required that surgery because she was trans.
You are telling trans people that our medical needs are complex and overwhelming and scary. That's discouraging. And it's just not true.
Urologist don't preform vaginoplasties. Urologist aren't extra familiar with trans women's health needs. The cervix isn't part of the Urologist's specialty.
Calm down. Going to see a gynecologist for a pap smear isn’t going to kill anyone. And the gynecology field as a whole is making an effort to be more welcoming to trans women because it’s perfectly normal for trans women to see a gynecologist.
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lucairo123 · 4 years ago
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Messianic “Judaism” - A Comprehensive Overview
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Anonymous asked: Hey there! I’m curious about your opinion on messianic Jewish stuff. I have very little understanding of what it is, but since I’m coming from an ex Christian background and looking into my Jewish heritage (family buried it, so it’s new to me) I’m curious what it’s all about. Do you have any thoughts or opinions or recommended reading on it? Either way, cool blog! Thanks
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Hi anon, thanks for asking! This happens to be the topic I have the MOST opinions about.
⚠️Long Post Warning⚠️
This is going to be a veritable FORTRESS of text, because I’ve been meaning to make a master post to address this topic for a while - exposing this movement for what it is, and pointing people towards authentic Judaism. 
There will be no TL;DR. There will be no read more break. Enjoy the ride.
Introduction
First of all, if you’re looking for ways to get in touch with Judaism, I would first and foremost that you contact a Jewish Rabbi. (NOT Messianic.) If you can’t visit in person, you can call, email, or zoom, and they will give you resources and advice. Many Jewish services are being streamed online right now. Many classes on Judaism Judaism for adults are available through synagogues and JCCs. I will also share some resource links for authentic Judaism at the end of this post.
My background in a nutshell - one of my grandfathers was Jewish but not practicing, my mom wanted to raise us to honor her Jewish heritage AND her Christian religion, so I actually grew up in the Messianic movement. I also grew up in Christian private schools. I have since left the movement, renounced Christianity, and embraced my Jewish identity through education and conversion. I have worked part time as a Jewish educator for seven years now, and am an active member of my Jewish community. I identify most with the Conservative movement, and I lead a semi-observant life in a pluralistic community.
All that is to say, I have a lot of personal experience with the Messianic movement, and have experienced and studied it from three perspectives in my life: the Xian perspective, the inside perspective, and the Jewish perspective. Certainly there’s a lot of personal trauma, but more to the point, a LOT of experience and education. I will be including a LOT of resources at the end, but I might not be citing things throughout the post - not because I couldn’t, but because to do so I would have to link you to the official sites for many Messianic organizations, and I don’t want to do that. 
What is the Messianic Movement? Is it Jewish?
The Messianic movement is not Judaism. It is a harmful and dishonest perversion of Jewish culture, designed to spread Christian theology and convert Jews. It is not theologically sound from a Jewish OR Christian perspective. It is a problematic movement, full of cultural appropriation, racism, antisemitism, and harmful philosemitism. In many cases, Messianic congregations are harmful, destructive cults, or high control religions. The Messianic movement is literally designed to trap and ensnare Jews who aren’t fulfilled or knowledgeable in their Judaism.
You should avoid any Messianic organizations, websites, or resources. Keywords to avoid: Messianic, BHI or Black Hebrew Israelite, Hebrew Christian, Hebrew Roots Movement, Yeshua etc. (Hebrew Israelites and Hebrew Christians/Roots are related movements, each with different cultures, but they all share similar theological and cultural problems.)
Obviously not everyone in the movement is aware of the problems or the true origins and motivations of this movement. Plenty of them are truth seekers, towing the party line. But we aren’t here to talk about the lies or the deceived, we are here to get to the truth.
Why does the Messianic movement target Jews specifically?
The “Great Commission” of Xianity is to “make disciples of all nations.” (Matthew 28:16-20) Have Jews been singled out for a targeted conversion effort, or is this merely a way for people of Jewish heritage to form an ethnic church, no different than say, a Salvadorian, Chinese, or Korean Church? While the Messianic movement would prefer you believe the latter, the former is actually a more truthful answer. (This is evidenced by the fact that major Messianic organizations draw huge amounts of funding from the Evangelical Xian Church, especially Pentecostal and Southern Baptist, which are the roots of the movement.) Basically, the answer is that Xian eschatology (theology of the end times) has certain requirements.
Before Messiah can “come again,” all Jews, including the lost ten tribes of the northern kingdom, must return to Israel (Revelation 7:1-8), a third Temple must be built (Revelation 11:1-2), a great and terrible war must take place in that region (Revelation 6), leading to the rapture or death (take your theological pick) of 144,000 Jews (Revelation 7:9). This is based on “prophecy” in the book of Revelation. Further prophecy in the book of Matthew (Jesus’s own words) state that he “will not come again until all Israel says ‘blessed is he who comes on the name of the Lord.’” (Matthew 23:39) Xians understand this to mean “Jesus will not come back until all Jews are converted to Xianity.” Paul (“Rabbi Shaul”) also reminds the Church that the word of G-d was given “to the Jew first, and also to the gentile.” (Romans 1:16)
Obviously, this makes Jews a prime target for conversions. In no uncertain terms, Evangelicals and other biblical literalists believe that all Jewish religion must be erased and replaced with Christianity (cultural genocide). They are seeking that all Jews literally live in Eretz Israel, in order for a bloody war to claim hundreds of thousands of lives, in order to bring about the end of the world.
When did this movement start?
The Messianic movement prefers to shroud the timeline of its origins in misinformation, because this helps them obscure the reason for their own existence. Their narrative is that they are a continuation of the early Church in Jerusalem, under the Apostle James (or “Yaakov HaTalmid”). While it is true that the VERY early Church was a sect of Judaism, they had rejected Judaism, Torah observance, and Jewish practice within 50 years of Jesus’s supposed death. (Jewish Virtual Library) The early Church actively distanced itself from Judaism, using ecumenical councils to change scripture, insert Xian and Greek theology, move away from the Jewish calendar, and perpetuate antisemitism. (Jewish Virtual Library) The movement traces their resurgence in the modern era to the early 1900′s, by saying that their oldest organization was founded in 1924. This is also intentionally misleading: the American Board of Missions to the Jews was originally exactly what it sounds like, a Xian group aiming targeted proselytizing at a specific population, just like missionary groups who target Burmese people or Korean people. They would not become recognizably “Messianic” in mission and culture until 1984, when they re-branded as Chosen People Ministries. Similarly, the 1915 Hebrew Christian Alliance of America became the Messianic Jewish Alliance of America in 1975. The Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations was founded in 1979. Jews for Jesus, which has (somewhat wrongly) become culturally synonymous with the movement as a whole, is a splinter organization which broke off from ABMJ/CPM in 1973, after internal friction beginning in 1970. (I say somewhat wrongly because the mission of Jews for Jesus actually differs slightly from the rest of the Messianic movement, and even many Messianics resent being identified with J4J, who seek to use Jewish practice as bait for conversion, and then assimilate newly Christian Jews into gentile led, culturally Xian, Sunday morning churches.)
So, why then? Why the shift in 70’s and 80’s?
A couple of reasons. The year 2000 was approaching, and many, MANY people believed that year would bring the coming of Jesus. Additionally, in the end of the last decade, 1967 brought the Six Day War and saw all of Jerusalem, including the Old City and the Temple Mount, under the control of the State of Israel. It seemed like the time was ripe for the rebuilding of the Temple, and the fulfillment of Xian Messianic prophecy.
The pressure was on to fulfill prophecy about Jewish conversion, and Jews are stubborn. Because of our own religion, and because of the history of antisemitism from the Xian Church specifically, Jews are highly resistant to missionaries. Lots of cultures, even if they don’t believe in Jesus, view him as a prophet, a wise man, a force for good. For Jews, Christianity is heresy, and Jesus is a figure in who’s name more Jews have been killed than any other. 
So, Evangelicals needed to decide what to do about this. In 1974, Evangelicals held the first global Lausanne Conference on World Evangelism, where all these ideas were discussed. That led to a follow up in 1980, the global Lausanne Conference on Jewish Evangelism.
This targeted focus on Jewish evangelism and end times prophecy collided with two other movements of the 1970′s: the Jesus Movement and the Hebrew Roots Movement.
The Jesus Movement was a kind of “revival” in the Protestant Church. By “revival,” I mean a return to Biblical literalism, backwards conservative values, counter-culturalism, and radical fundamentalism. Most of what you think of as “Evangelical” culture rose from this movement, everything from contemporary Xian music to the Xian political Right. This was partly spurred by push-back response to liberalism and the Civil Rights movement, but partly spurred by people looking for meaning in religion after the new ideas and cultural shifts of the 60’s. 
The Hebrew Roots Movement is closely related to the Messianic Movement and the Jesus Movement. It’s the inevitable result of reading the Bible literally and completely. Its unavoidable that a majority of the Bible is essentially a (poorly translated and interpreted) copy of the Tanakh, and that the Xian NT cannot be true (or even exist) without the Tanakh being true. Truth-searchers reading the Bible critically were struck with the difference between what they were reading and their own religion, and sought to reconcile that cognitive dissonance. Roughly, they are similar to Messianics, but with even less Jewish practices and theology. They are Xians who love to quote the original Hebrew of the Tanakh, say “Jesus was a Jew,” and host Xian Passover seders. They’re what happens when you take philosemitism and turn it into theology.
Christianity disguised as “Messianic Judaism”
Bam! All those movements, times, and world events collided with organizations who were already targeting Jews for proselytization. The Messianic Movement began to emerge as a distinct movement or denomination for the first time. Suddenly, there were Messianic congregations (“synagogues”), ministers and even the un-ordained decided to call themselves “rabbis,” and longstanding organizations splintered or re-branded, changing their mission statements and modus operandi. Messianic musicians and leaders started to emerge. Conferences were born.
The new mission: to target Jews for conversion by simply removing all obstacles to conversion. Jews had a problem with the name Jesus Christ? Call him Yeshua HaMashiach. Trade in that triggering cross for a Magen David. Move services to Saturday mornings. Buy a Sefer Torah on eBay. Start celebrating Jewish holidays, and call them “the feasts of the LORD.” Do everything possible to remove anything that appears Xian, and replace the term, name, or image with something that sounds Jewish. That was explicitly the point. Convert Jews without them even realizing that they were being converted until they already had one foot in the door.
The problem? Xianity by definition is heretical to Judaism, from the top down. Our idea of what the Messiah is is not at all what Jesus was. Our idea of G-d is not compatible with the Xian idea of G-d. Anything tainted by those heresies cannot ever be Judaism, no matter how cunningly it imitates it. The Messianic movement was founded by gentile Xians and by apostate Jews who had already left the boundaries of Judaism. It did not arise from inside the Jewish community, for the Jewish community, like the liberal denominations of Judaism. It was engineered by the gentile Evangelical Xian community in order to erase Judaism. That’s why I refuse to ever call it “Messianic Judaism,” because it is not Judaism. Even the term “Messianic” is stealing a word and concept from us, honestly. It’s incredibly annoying to not be able to use one of our own words to talk about an aspect of our culture that our ancestors literally invented without unintentionally referencing this destructive movement targeting us for conversion. (And it’s even worse seeing their propaganda all over the internet while you’re just trying to find a hagadah or a new tallit.)
So, who is considered a Messianic “Jew?” Are they Jews at all?
Labels are sticky. But here’s the basic rundown. 
You can be Jewish in two ways. 
You can be a Jew in the sense of belonging to the Jewish people. We have our own rules about this, but this would definitely include those born and raised Jewish, those who converted to Judaism, and possibly, those of Jewish descent, adopted, etc.
You can also be Jewish in the sense of belonging to the Jewish religion. You can be Jewish as a person without belonging to the Jewish religion, but NOT the other way around. You cannot practice the Jewish religion unless you are part of the Jewish people. It is neither possible nor allowed, though of course you can convert.
If you are a Jewish person, you can be an apostate and leave the Jewish religion. You personally might be a Jew, but your religion CANNOT be called Judaism. ALL Messianic “Jews” who are ethnically Jewish fall into this category. Their own identities aside, they are NOT Jews in the religious sense, not even partly.
It’s also possible to be of Jewish descent but not have the status of being Jewish. This varies by denomination, but it includes patrilinials (half Jews through the father’s side) for the Orthodox, and all half Jews who were not raised exclusively Jewish for the Reform. Messianic patrilinials, who don’t meet the halachic requirements for being Jewish, are neither Jews nor practicing Judaism, even though they may have Jewish family and background.
I don’t have the hard data on this, but from growing up in the movement my whole life, in many different congregations and camps and schools and conferences, I can pretty confidently say that substantially less than half of the movement is either Jewish or of Jewish descent. The majority are gentiles. What? That’s right. Gentiles. Some of them call themselves “Messianic Jews.” Obviously that’s appropriation. Others call themselves “Messianic Gentiles,” “Messianics,” or just “Believers (in Yeshua).” Obviously this varies by region. In Israel, most Messianics (Meshikhim) are Jewish, in the Midwest and Central US, most are not.
Wait, so lots of them aren’t even a little bit Jewish? Then why do they call themselves that?
The Messianic movement does not believe in conversion. That means that if you aren’t born Jewish, there’s nothing you can do. You can’t convert through a mainstream Jewish movement either, because you would be losing your salvation permanently by denying Jesus. But there’s a problem: the Messianic movement very frequently classes Jews above gentiles. For example, many leadership positions are only available to Jews. Jews are given more weight and deference and social clout in lay and clergy settings. The focus is on Jews and Judaism and Jew-y sounding things all the time. So what can the gentiles do? Well, some submit to this unofficial caste system, but plenty don’t, they find a way to lie or cheat. Some sneak into real synagogues and secretly convert. Some take DNA tests, or turn to genealogy, and convince even themselves of the lie that they have always been Jewish. Some just outright lie. Some turn to theology - there are plenty of competing theologies on this topic, but some examples are “all Messianic believers are destined to believe because they are descended from the lost tribes,” or “all people of British/Irish descent are descended from the lost tribes,” or “all believers are grafted in/automatically converted by Jesus," “all African-American people are the true Jews,” and on and on. So, many people calling themselves Messianic “Jews” are actually lying to you and themselves to reconcile their own cognitive dissonance and inner identity struggle.
It’s also worth noting here that many leaders in the Messianic movement also lie about their backgrounds. If I had a dollar for every Messianic “rabbi” who was “raised in an Orthodox Jewish household,” I would be a very wealthy man. Most are post Bar Mitzvah Hebrew school dropouts, at BEST. Some even change their names to sound more Jewish for extra clout. (Looking at you, Tuvya Zaretsky.)
I’d like to say here, in case it wasn’t already abundantly clear - NO Messianic “rabbi” is a real Rabbi, ordained by other Rabbis. Some are ordained as Christian preachers/pastors/ministers/reverends and assume the title “rabbi” falsely. Some are not ordained at all, but still adopt the title falsely. The Messianic “rabbi” Mike Pence had speak about the Tree of Life antisemitic mass shooting was actually stripped of his ordination even by the Messianic group who ordained him, and he still uses the title. You cannot call yourself a PhD just because you decide it’s good for business. You cannot get an associate degree from your community college and call it a PhD from Harvard. That’s what these people are doing. It’s wrong, and should be criminal. 
No matter what though, someone who is Messianic is NOT part of Judaism, and neither is their religion. They are not a part of our community.
What is the culture and halacha (Jewish practice) of the movement like?
Great question. In brief, bad. Many are not educated about Judaism, because they are literally not Jews. Even those who ARE Jewish are usually not educated about Judaism, because the movement intentionally preys on Jews who are uneducated, isolated, unfulfilled by Judaism, away from a Jewish community, etc. This often leads to a “blind leading the blind” effect, to borrow from the Xian tradition.
The Messianic movement, almost without exception, rejects the Mishna and Gemara(s), which make up the Talmud(s). In short, these are oral Torah and Rabbinic commentary which date back thousands of years (and existed during the time of Jesus, in oral tradition - they would not be 100% solidified and written down for another 600 years). They also reject the entire Rabbinic tradition which followed - no Rambam, no Rashi, no Mishnei Torah, no Shulchan Auruch, no Responsas/Tshuvot, no nothing.
Messianics rant against these as being deceptive, a “man-made religion.” “Rabbinic” is used as an insult in these communities. They fancy themselves as the heirs of “true Judaism,” “Biblical Judaism,” or even “Torah Judaism.” They keep “Torah culture,” ignoring Rabbinic kashrut rules that existed even in the time of Jesus. They sometimes even keep holidays according to an observational calendar, based on the new moons and barley harvest, instead of the mathematical calendar that real Jews use (Rabbinic Jews, anyway, not sure about Beta Israel and Karaite Jews, who are also very much Real Jews™).
That’s what they say, anyway… but it isn’t the truth. The truth is that Messianics actually practice dozens of Jewish rituals which come directly from the Rabbinic tradition. Lighting a Menorah the way they do is from Rabbi Hillel. Kippot are Rabbinic. So are the Passover seders they lead. So is almost ALL of the Judaism they appropriate. It’s all very much double-talk and ignorance. They appropriate Rabbinic Judaism that Jesus would never have ever heard of, defend it by saying that Jesus was Jewish, and then immediately bash and discredit Rabbis and the Talmud, often with a strong smack of antisemitism. It will make your head spin. They’re twisting the knife of cultural appropriation.
Because of this, many Messianics routinely break Jewish ritual law in very offensive ways. They put their tallitot on the ground, or wear them without kippot. They wear fake “tzitzit” clipped onto the belt loops of their jeans. They light candles… on Shabbat morning. They blow the shofar ALL THE TIME, often every week to begin services. Many of them use the sacred unpronounceable name of G-d on a daily basis. All these are horribly offensive to actual Jews, and they’re also just the tip of the iceberg.
Also, they use twisted scriptures and Biblical liberalism to oppress women, LGBTQ people, and the mentally ill. They are young earth six day creationists, anti-science, anti-abortion. They don’t allow gay marriage, or women in leadership. Women must submit to their husbands and fathers. Almost without exception, they vote strictly conservative Republican, no matter what.
All of which is to say,
Gross.
You mentioned other abuses? Cult? What’s that about? Is this really a harmful cult?
Great question, glad you asked. You can read more about this in some of my personal posts linked below, but, the Messianic movement is fraught with problematic beliefs, behaviors, and abuse. Here’s some salient excerpts from other posts I’ve made on this topic.
The movement uses that veneer of Jewish culture to prey on emotionally vulnerable and uneducated Jews. They call their churches “synagogues,” they call their pastors or untrained leaders “Rabbis,” even though they have not been organized as Rabbis. They call Jesus “Yeshua.” Every Xian term has a Hebraicized equivalent for the same of false advertising and luring in victims. They also appropriate Jewish sacred practices like holidays and prayers, as well as sacred objects like tallitot and sifrei Torah.
The Messianic movement combines all the fundamentalism of Evangelical Xianity with all the absolute craziness of Pentecostal Xtianity. Lest you think I’m being sensationalist, or that I’m just talking about the gross and appropriative way the movement steals Israeli folk dance to use as a worship tool, let me tell you that I have had not one, not two, but three exorcisms spontaneously performed on me against my will (which it only later occurred to me were intended to drive out a “demon” of homosexuality). That it was a regular occurence for people to interrupt sermons by giving loud prophecies from the Lord that the congregation was under a judgement, or that the end times were near. That I have heard many a crazy old woman speaking tongues over pews, or even grabbing a microphone to babble at everyone over the loudspeaker. If that wasn’t enough, let me tell you that one of the elders of the congregation I grew up in got in a shouting match publicly with the other elders and the “Rabbi” because, and I quote, God was telling him that he was to take a second wife. This was in front of his own wife, and his 4 teenage and young children. He left the congregation and started his own small home fellowship, in order to fulfill his desire to own another woman sexually and have authority over her. His wife and family went along with it in silence.
This is not a centralized cult or religious movement. It is comprised of many organizations (Chosen People Ministries, Jews for Jesus, MJAA, UMJC, One for Israel, Isaiah 53, etc), as well as small unaffiliated congregations and individuals. It is largely (almost entirely) funded through Evangelical Xian movements, with ties to the Southern Baptist and Pentecostal movements specifically. The fundamental goal of the movement is to present Xianity through a Trojan horse style approach to convert Jews away from Judaism and to Xianity. A targeted attempt to remove the religion and culture of an ethnic group in this way is a form of cultural genocide, sometimes termed ethnocide.
In addition to the systematic evils present in this movement, there are individual and cultural evils as well. Again, this is not an organized or centrally governed organization, so it is difficult to make broad statements or generalizations when beliefs and practices vary from org to org, group to group, and person to person. However, having lived most of my life in the movement, and knowing many others who have as well, I can say the following issues are widespread problems. Racism (especially towards Palestinians), antisemitism, harmful philosemitism, physical abuse, sexual abuse, and emotional abuse. These people are trained in recruitment techniques, like “love bombing,” how to find ideal Jewish candidates (those who aren’t too knowledgeable about their Judaism to be easily swayed, and how to avoid divulging what they really are (Christians) until a relationship has been established. They also will turn harshly against someone if their leadership dictates it, and will shun people who leave the movement. While in the movement, how you dress, how you vote, how you have sex, how you reproduce, how you have relationships, how you speak, how you eat, and all aspects of your life are tightly controlled, either through leadership or group peer pressure. You are encouraged to have relationships outside the group or outside Xianity ONLY for the sake of evangelism or proselytizing. Many groups shame divorce and allow marital abuse. My own mother was shunned by our closest friends for divorcing her abusive husband. Outside resources, in particular the mental health community, psychology, and medication, are viewed with scorn and suspicion, and access to these resources is limited. Stepping out of line is met with stern and public discipline. Leaving is also made psychologically traumatic with the threat of hell - renouncing Christ (“Messiah Yeshua”) after accepting him is viewed as an unforgivable sin which WILL ensure eternal damnation, and also, the loss of all the important relationships in your life. Asking questions is discouraged. This is a movement which values obedience.
If you’re reading this and thinking “wow, that sounds like a cult,” that would be because many times, it is. The Messianic movement is not a large, organized, centralized cult, like for example the FLDS or the Church of Scientology, because it isn’t in it’s DNA as a social phenomenon to be one. It grew out of the Jesus movement in the 70′s, and as such, has much more in common with (and actually, significant overlap with) other micro-cult Evangelical fundamentalist groups like the Quiverful movement, the ATI/IBLP homeschooling movement, etc. I knew many friends who were part of those communities as well, and my own family actually attended a Bill Gothard seminar one year. Similar to the Gothard-ite cults, the formula of the Messianic movement is a mix of Biblical literalism, social conservativism, and control over organizations, family units, and what cultural interactions are and are not acceptable. In short, it is a recipe for home grown micro-cults to emerge, disguised within the same community as genuine Xianity. It’s authoritarianism and gnosticism attracts fundamentalists who want to find positions of power in order to abuse in control - in their families, in their communities, and on an international scale. Also like Evangelical fundamentalist cults (because again, it is one), it has pockets of people who are devoted to popular figures, who they obey and follow unquestioningly. These include musicians and community organizers like Paul Wilbur, Joel Chernoff, and Ted Pearce, as well as self appointed preachers and leaders like Michael Rood and Monte Judah. Because of the Biblical literalism and social conservativism so valued in these communities, anti-science figures like Ken Ham or pro-life and pro-right wing Israeli government figures like Jared Kushner are also upheld as praiseworthy leaders, along with missionaries to the Jews in Israel and in the Diaspora. Indeed, many Messianic congregational leaders and “Rabbis” are not able to make a living being supported by their (often small) congregations, and are financed as missionaries on the payroll of organizations like Chosen People Ministries or One for Israel.
Christians LOVE to throw the word “cult” at anyone they disagree with. To Evangelicals, Catholics are a cult, Mormons are a cult, everyone is a cult. Really, cult is a fairly meaningless term. It just means a religious group who all worship the same god in the same way. A more accurate way of expressing the idea most people have in their head with the word cult would be “destructive cult,” or better still, “high control religious groups.”
The truth is that large groups, like the Mormon church, Messianic movement, etc, are not inherently high control religious groups - groups where a strict degree of obedience is expected and failure to meet the demands of the group/group’s leader are met with punishment, and where destructive practices like sleep/food deprivation, physical/verbal/financial abuse, and shunning are used to enforce compliance. 
However. A combination of Biblical literalism, certain pieces of orthodox Christian theology, conservative values, and radical adherence to all these, can lead to high context religious groups which APPEAR to be normal, healthy Christian communities. These can be as small as a family unit and as large as a whole church or even a small movement. The Evangelical movement, who LOVES to call other types of Christians cults, has a particular problem with these pockets of high control religion (destructive cults) because they value they exact recipe for them: biblical literalism, orthodox theology, conservative values.  They also may use “mind control” or “brain washing” techniques: you can read about some of these in The Failure of Evangelical Mental Health Care. I’ve actually had some of these used against me in the context of conversion therapy.
Examples of the types of group I’m talking about would be the Quiverful movement, ATI/IBLP, some parts of the Messianic movement, some parts of the Hebrew Israelite movement, Christian fundamentalism, Biblical Patriarchy, even Christian homeschooling curricula and private schools and universities. In these cases, they aren’t unified, organized cult movements like JW/Watchtower or Scientology. They’re ideologies which DO fit within the larger framework of Christianity, which are designed to turn small communities and family units into abusive cultic environments.
These systems of high control can traumatize children, especially LGBTQ children. They objectify and personify women from a very young age. They justify and celebrate abuses like conversion therapy, financial abuse, and physical abuse (spanking, beating kids and wives), and even marital rape. They remove access to tools like mental health care through a culture which deliberately stigmatizes and shames any non-Christian therapy or psychology. They create more followers by encouraging reproduction and forbidding access to contraception, and by keeping children totally sheltered from secular influences, often raising kids who are totally un-equiped to handle anything other than the environment they were raised in. Even more sinister, they create cultures where sexual abuse becomes something that is “dealt with” secretly inside communities by covering it up. This breaks laws about mandated reporting, and it allows abusers to keep positions of power in those communities and continue to abuse. This isn’t me just talking shit either - do some google searching about sexual abuse in the ATI/IBLP communities.
Basically, I have no tolerance for Evangelicals pointing fingers and shouting “cult” at other people, when their own movement is filled with the very things they’re accusing others of.
You mentioned harmful philosemitism. Isn’t that just “loving Jews?” What’s wrong with that?
Again, for the sake of my wrist strain, I’m going to give an excerpt of a previous post I made on the subject.
There are lots of reasons to love the Jewish people. We have thousands of years of culture, art, music, dancing, poetry, philosophy, heroes, prophets, and teachers. We are, un-apologetically, very cool.
However, sometimes people say they love the Jewish people, and their reasons feel uncomfortable or offensive to us. If your love of the Jewish people or religion is based in the fact that Jesus was a Jew, trying to get in touch with the “roots” of your faith, fulfilling prophesies by bringing Jews to the land of Israel, claiming to be part of the same special relationship Israel has with God, or worst of all, a desire to convert Jews to Christianity, you’re very likely engaging in problematic philosemitism.
Think about those sexual assault posters that have been circulating this decade. “You shouldn’t violate a woman because she’s someone’s daughter, wife, girlfriend, mother, sister.” The intention is good: don’t violate women. The message is harmful, and based in misguided thinking. We should want to protect women because they are people, human beings, not because they have a relationship to a man. That kind of thinking, at best, erases a women’s independent worth, and at worst, implies she is property.
Similarly, if your only appreciation for Jewish people and culture is through a Christian lens, you are erasing Jewish voices from the conversation by talking over us (because we don’t agree with your religion, so we don’t feel a connection to it), and it feels like you’re saying that our truth, culture, teachings, etc are only important because they relate to (read: are subservient to) yours.
If you are interested in dismantling that kind of problematic approach to Judaism and Jews, I recommend reading Jewish translations and commentary of the Bible (which you will find, differ greatly from how Christians interpret our scriptures), taking an intro to Judaism class, studying some Jewish theology, or exploring Jewish art, music, and contemporary writing. Basically, by learning directly from Jewish voices, instead of filtering us through a religion that has been very harmful to us.
Don’t forget that “Jesus was a Jew” is not an acceptable reason to love Jews.
Also, don’t forget that the reason many Evangelicals love Jews is because they want to convert us all and move us to Israel to die in a holy war, so that their Christ can return.
In addition to EVERYTHING above, don’t forget that the Messianic movement uses their Jewish agenda to make money. Evangelical Xians and their organizations donate movement hand over fist to Jewish causes. Messianic leaders sell their souls, hosting Passover seders for Xian churches for money. This is BIG business. A lot of that money solicited by Messianics and donated by Xians goes towards Israel - two major places it’s going are to build settlements and to convert Israelis. No love of one group (Jews) that leads to the harm of another (Palestinians) is truly love. It’s an agenda.
Resources on Authentic Judaism
Here’s some posts I’ve made on the subject, and some other resources on Tumblr
Claiming Jewish Culture
Jewish Books Beyond “Intro” by @queermachmir​
Index of Jewish Guide Posts on Tumblr by @ghostwarmth​​, many of the guides are by @jewish-kulindadromeus​​
The #Jumblr tag, where you will find a lot of people with a lot of opinions, many of them good
@ask-jumblr​, where you can see or solicit answers from the broader community on Jumblr
@progressivejudaism​​, a Reform Rabbinical student with an active and informative blog
I would definitely recommend the books Jewish Theology In Our Time and Essential Judaism as resources for the curious seeker as well, and you can find all kinds of Jewish articles, guides, and texts at the following links.
JewFAQ.org
MyJewishLearning.com
RitualWell.org
Chabad.org
Aish.com
Sefaria.org
Resources on the Messianic Movement
You can search for the tag #messianic on my blog to read more, and you can also read about my experiences in the movement at the following links.
A Basic Overview of Problems in the Messianic Movement
Evangelical Mental Healthcare (triggering)
Growing Up in a Messianic Cult (triggering)
My Steps Toward Authentic Judaism
Pesach in the Messianic World
Messianics and Jewish Identity/Culture
A Jewish Answer to Christianity’s Major Points
What’s Wrong with Gentiles Using Hebrew Names for G-d, also by @kosher-salt​
Why is it Problematic to Say “Jesus was a Jew”
History of the Tanakh and Hebrew, Thread 1, Thread 2 - I’m sure I missed a lot of great and fascinating versions of this post, there were so many, but these are some of my favorite versions. So many amazing Jumblrs added info to this post, the entire notes section is worth a read
Here’s some of what the rest of Jumblr has to say about Messianics. I recommend reading the notes on each of these posts as well, to gain a fuller perspective on the community’s response.  
Post from @returnofthejudai​
Post from @libhobn​
Post from @progressivejudaism​
Post from @ask-jumblr​
Here’s some articles on the Messianic movement from sources off Tumblr.
Jews for Jesus from Jewish Virtual Library
Who are Messianic “Jews” from MyJewishLearning
Jews for Jesus from Aish
Why Messianic Judaism is Fake from Times of Israel
Evangelizing the Jews from Outreach Judaism
Former Missionary Reveals Prostlizing Practices from Jewish News AZ
In addition, here’s some resources from elsewhere on the web, from a Jewish perspective. (You can easily find dozens of videos on the problems with Messianics from a Xian perspective, but these all focus on Xian theology as a baseline of truth, and are often antisemitic, so we won’t be doing any of that today.)
Jews for Judaism - “Jews for Judaism strengthens and preserves Jewish identity by responding to religious coercion, promoting critical thinking skills, and providing spiritual guidance and support.”
Jews for Judaism on YouTube
Outreach Judaism - “ Outreach Judaism is an international organization that responds directly to the issues raised by missionaries and cults, by exploring Judaism in contradistinction to fundamentalist Christianity.”
Outreach Judaism on YouTube
TeNaK Talk - An online radio show, where the son of a Messianic leader (who has left the movement) hosts Jewish guests to discuss Judaism, Christianity, and the Messianic movement. Rabbi Michael Skobac from Jews for Judaism and Rabbi Tovia Singer from Outreach Judaism are both frequent guests.
TeNaK Talk on YouTube
Messianic Survivors Speak Out - A playlist from Jews for Judaism with former Messianics exposing the movement. Larry Levey and Penina Taylor in particular give very gripping and informative accounts
Resources on other Evangelical Micro-cults
To give you a better idea of exactly what I mean when I say “Evangelical micro-cults,” here are first hand video accounts from survivors of such groups. They discuss the organizations they left, the abuses within them, and how these abuses were justified through fundamentalist Xian doctrine.
Video Link - Kristiana Miner, Quiverful
Video Link - Kristiana Miner 2, Quiverful
Video Link - Dawn Smith, Jesus Movement
Video Link - Lilia Tarawa, The Assembly
Video Link - Megan Phelps-Roper, Westburo Baptist Church
In Closing
And that’s a wrap, folks! Hope you’ve learned something, and remember to avoid anything related to the Messianic movement like the plague, because they are one. Thank you and good night!
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yall r casually racist about chinese people on here and it’s getting weird, news flash idiot every government spies on its people, y on earth r u only taking issue when it isn’t white people doing it
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“I Hate All Religions Equally”
I see this comment fairly often. And probably somewhere around 99 times out of 100, the person saying it is a Culturally Christian Atheist who is trying to say that they view the Christian concepts of “belief in a higher power” and “faith in and submission to a specific deity” as abhorrent…
But what is actually communicated to non-Christians includes:
“I think that all other religions are just reskinned versions of Christianity with a different name plate on the Christ Figure.”
And:
“I hate your culture for no other reasons than displaced trauma and lack of education on my part.”
And I’ve recently been seeing this comment repeatedly on my “Missionaries Are Inherently Xenophobic” post, and basically just auto-blocking the people making the statement.
Because it’s so ignorant. It ties into the Christian worldview that “Culture” and “Religion” are two distinct things that are almost modular, in that you can swap out the “Religion” module with any other and have no effects on the Culture. (9 times out of 10, these types also insist that Culturally Christian holidays are also secular…)
So, sure. Let’s take this statement and run with it, just to demonstrate what it actually says to those of us who aren’t Christian.
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I hate all religions equally.
So, yes, I do hate Judaism just as much as I hate Christianity. Nevermind that means I’m in ideological agreement with Nazis, I hate this ethnoreligion which has never done me personal harm, and has been persecuted for thousands of years. To me, Judaism is Just A Religion, and I don’t understand, and don’t WANT to understand that it is also a persecuted minority whose culture gets routinely outlawed by people like me. Since I don’t understand that, seeing a visibly Jewish person on the street with their modest garb and hearing their foreign language, I am revolted. I hate Judaism, and I hate JEWS, just as much as I hate every other religion, equally.
So, yes, I hate Sikhism just as much as I hate Christianity. Nevermind that I’ve almost certainly never met a Sikh, and I don’t know that they don’t seek converts, so they’re also an ethnic group, the mere fact that they have a Religion that comes with that ethnic group means that I hate them. Their religious beliefs with which they’re raised as part of their culture–honesty, equality, fidelity, standing up to oppression–are Evil because it’s a religion, and need to be wiped out. Seeing a Sikh man, with his Religious turban and beard, as they give out free food to everyone in need at a Langar… well, it fills me with disgust and rage, and I wish to rid the world of this Religious Practice, observed by people who are different than me. I hate Sikhism and I hate Sikhs, just as much as I hate every other religion, equally.
So, yes, I hate Shintoism just as much as I hate Christianity. Nevermind that my understanding of Shintoism is almost certainly bastardized by my Western conceptions, their beliefs in venerating nature and respecting their ancestors are Religious and therefore Evil, and need to be wiped out. Seeing a Shintoist leave an offering to the Kami, engaging in ritual cleanliness, and marking major life events with solemnity fills me with disgust and rage. I hate Shintoism and I hate Shintoists, just as much as I hate every other religion, equally.
So, yes, I hate the Druze faith just as much as I hate Christianity. Nevermind that they are a small ethnic group who are prohibited from proselytism from their founding; I don’t care. To me, they’re Just Another Abrahamic Religion and I Hate Abrahamic Religions, even if there are so few of them. They have a Religion, and I Hate All Religions Equally.
So, yes, I hate the many and myriad beliefs of the First Nations, just as much as I hate Christianity. Nevermind that they were persecuted and marginalized by Christianity, which tried to wipe out their beliefs, way of life, and identities, I hate their Religions, even if those religions are tied to their ways of life. Nevermind that the residential schools, which had the stated goal of “Kill the Indian in the Child,” have mass graves of children. I refuse to recognize that this puts me in ideological agreement with Christian missionaries. After all, I Hate All Religions Equally, and if mass graves of children is the price to pay for a world with one fewer Religion in it, then so be it.
After all, I Hate All Religions Equally.
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I did my thesis on eugenics and forced sterilization in Canadian history (indigenous specific) and the next cis woman to say that men should collectively be forced to get vasectomies for points on some kind imaginary scoreboard of rights is getting sent a copy of the records I had to sift thru of men, mostly indigenous, racialized, developmentally disabled, or poor men, being sterilized against their wills and often without their knowledge.
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Hello timboblr I have a story to tell . A story about abortion . I was sexually abused as a child , by many people including my own father . When I was 13 I got pregnant . I don’t know who the father was but it’s pretty clear it wasn’t consensual . I have a dissociative disorder thanks to my fucked up childhood , so I sort of knew I was pregnant but I was so dissociated from the csa I thought I was a virgin , so I didn’t feel like I could tell anyone, and didn’t completely believe it myself. But being a dumb 13 year old I thought I was totally ready to be a parent . I was pro-life at that point , I know I would have wanted to keep my baby . But my abusers made that decision for me . My baby was forced out of the womb in a very painful traumatic way. I was around 3-4 months pregnant . I have a feeling that maybe I’m damaged in my reproductive parts from it , I don’t know if I’ll be able to get pregnant again if I decide to. But if you think that all sounds like a reason not to be pro choice….you’d be wrong because I am . My choice was taken away from me . No one’s choice should be taken from them. Entering the survivor community was the nail in the coffin that made me become pro choice , I realized that even if there were an exception for rape , in many cases it can be hard to prove that is what happened . And for my fellow pro choicers who are reading this please remember people like me and reign in the “yay abortion is so great!” Talk . If you had an abortion and are happy about it good for you. But we have to support people who don’t feel that way . My situation was an extreme one , but there are others that are more common .People who wanted to have a baby , but found out the baby has a birth defect that will probably kill them soon after birth and made an agonizing decision to spare the baby from suffering . People who are poor , or in an abusive situation , who would like to have a baby but know the situation would be bad for them .
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