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Redrawing a meme photo that I found in pinterest

Originally only Valentino and Vox were planned, supposed to be photographed by Velvette, but I decided that I didn't draw enough Velvette and I include her in the photo, so who knows how this picture was taken afsgcfhghhahahghva

In fact, this sketch had tons of variants, but I didn't like anyone, so you will get the simplest one xD

ref under the cut

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Valentino got called out, and now the piss baby is angry! The dub version of this is out on my Twitter, so go check that out!

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1. Hazbin is a musical, and imo it can only be analised as such. In musicals the MUSIC is supposed to be the main storytelling force, they drive the plot forward and/or gets us to know the inner workings of the characters (some songs do both, most is either one or the other) and emotion IS one of the most important things in musicals because characters are always emotionaly thruthful and driven in them

In YDK we see both Emily and Charlie appealing emotionaly to Sera and the court only to be then emotionally hitten by the revelations Adam and Lute bring on. So the song does both what it nerds to do: it progresses both the characters and the plot

Out for Love for exemple doesn't work as well because it doesn't have enough emotion, maybe if it was another duet and we saw Vaggies side and resolution and her playing off of Carmilla It would have hit better, the animation ends up having to do all the heavy lifting of all that making the song feel out of place to me,

2. ??? I don't understood what you meant: the show doesn't just show it to us what i said about her through her actions but it flat out says it us both in song and dialogue! I wouldn't came to this conclusion if it didn't lol

3. IMO the true character to get less goofy was Angel Dust lol but to me it has to do way more with the animation than with the writing. The pilot had a way more "Looney tuney" animation that unfortunatly got toned down, but not much we can do about that ��⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

4. I stand by my statement, Adam is not in the main cast and if he really had any deeper feelings about his past the show should've Implied it. He talks with Charlie like he barely registers what she is saying, even when he starts to take her more seriously when they fight he doesn't see her as a threat or as a way to get revange about his *oh so tragic past* he doesn't really give a damn because his role in the story doesn't require him to do

5.I didn't understood you very well about this, in my interpretation the characters and their journeys it the main throughline of the entire series! Its the thing that is going to be worked through the whole show and all the conflicts and plot things they go through is to change them and see how they would react. The show isn't about building up to this super epic battle ala Endgame, but showing all the ups and downs the characters go through and how their beliefs are challenged

6. Again, the Plot is not about Adam, the bigger fight is not against him personally but what he represents: the agressive force of Heaven that refuses to listen to Charlie and thinks they are above all the rest, his defeat is about showing that Charlie and her friends are willing to protect themselves and fight for what they believe in and to change the status quo of Hell by make the population free of the sterminations and awere of the Morningstars and the Hotel. Then what i expect of next season is we focusing on how all those changes Will affect the characters and what new challenges they will bring

Reviewing Hazbin Hotel a Year Later (long post)

It's been roughly... a year since I've watched Hazbin Hotel, so I wanted to rewatch and revisit. I've definitely changed my mind on some things, so I decided to reassess what I said in my first review. No, I haven't seen the season 2 leaks.

The Songs

Last time, I said that they were good songs, if somewhat misplaced. And I stand by that. I think that because the season is so short, having those songs shoved in is more of a harm than a help. Some of them work in the scenes they're in, like Hell is Forever and Loser Baby. HIF does well with communicating Adam's cruelty and lack of empathy and it fits his character because we've already seen it before the song. LB connects Angel and Husk fine because the scene where Husk admits that him and Angel are in similar situations sets it up.

Other songs feel out of place and take up screen time that could be used for character interaction. Instead of Happy Day in Hell, we could have gotten insight into why Charlie feels so strongly about helping Sinners. Instead of You Didn't Know, we could have got a clashing of morals between Charlie and Sera (or even Charlie and Emily instead of Welcome to Heaven because as much as I love her, her character would have been more interesting if she was more disillusioned by Heaven). Instead of Respectless, we could have gotten a real look into the Overlord system. Hell's Greatest Dad was completely unnecessary and only makes Lucifer look immature (and it doesn't do a great job of trying to communicate that Alastor is manipulating Charlie either because it all cumulates to two powerful demons wanting to parent a grown woman).

Some songs have okay placement. More Than Anything does work as a reconciliation song, though I think it should have taken more to convince Lucifer. Stayed Gone shows enough of Alastor and Vox's interactions, but that time could have been spent setting up their rivalry.

In a season with only eight episodes, the songs really don't help with the pacing. I understand that music is a big part of Hazbin's history, but A24 really dropped the ball with only having eight episodes for the season, ten or twelve really would have been better. Especially because it's supposed to take place over six months.

Charlie

As most of you know, I really like Charlie and don't criticize her as harshly as some in the critical community. Because I think she's endearing and that she's a character who isn't necessarily bad, but has been handled poorly.

There is a certain babying of her character that takes away from her. You see this the most in Masquerade. As much as I love Loser Baby, why is it Husk going after Angel and not Charlie who's the one who did something wrong? That takes character interaction away from Charlie and doesn't allow her to face the full consequences of her actions.

Which sucks because one thing I love about Charlie is that she's completely willing to accept when she's wrong. She has no issues taking accountability, but the narrative goes out of its way to soften the blow. Which weakens her character.

We also have almost no insight on her upbringing. Or why she wants to help Sinners when Lucifer was dead set against them. We can assume that she got it from Lilith, but Lilith being almost a non-entity in the show is a hinderance.

The show doesn't establish enough of Charlie's character. Yes it's only season 1, but it goes out of its way to pay attention to Angel, Alastor, and even Lucifer more than her. And she's the one that's supposed to be the main character.

Vaggie

Where to begin with my problems with Vaggie.

Devotion to a character can work in a lot of cases. Take Zoro from One Piece. His devotion and loyalty to Luffy is possibly the best thing about his character. Why does it work for him and not Vaggie?

One, he does have goals outside of Luffy. He wants to be the World's Greatest Swordsman. His allegiance to Luffy and his ambitions fuel and strengthen one another. They go hand in hand; to serve Luffy he has to be the best and never lose, to be the best, he has to be the swordsman of the future king of the pirates.

Hell, even take Mikasa from Attack on Titan. She's similar to Vaggie in that her attachment to Eren is unhealthy and can hinder her character. But she also has no problem arguing with Eren or telling him when he's wrong. She doesn't just go along with what Eren says and has thoughts outside of him, even ending up siding against him. We never see this with Vaggie. She coddles Charlie (or, in the case of Masquerade, enables her. It was her idea for Charlie to confront Valentino. And in that very same episode she told Husk to force Angel back, telling us she hasn't learned anything).

Even in Scrambled Eggs, where Vaggie's supposed to be bonding with the boys and earning their trust, the show still centers her actions around Charlie. The boys learn trust on their own offscreen without her even in the picture. Like Charlie, she isn't getting real character interaction to help her develop.

We don't even see her and Charlie argue about her being an angel. If we're supposed to feel sympathy for Vaggie, we have to see her thought process. Why did she spare that demon (yes I know it was a kid but if it was because they were a kid, why go after a kid at all)? Why didn't she trust Charlie enough to tell her? We never even get an explanation from her and it does nothing for her character. Because we never get a confrontation between her and Charlie. It makes her betrayal meaningless. The whole thing could be taken out and the plot would remain uninterrupted.

Alastor

Alastor is... okay. I guess.

Like Charlie, I don't hate his character in season 1. He's entertaining enough. It does feel like they did the bare minimum with his character and he's a little flat.

They should have kept him whacky like in the pilot. I think the show made him too... controlled? Like, he's just standard evil instead of chaotic. I don't know, there's something about his presence that just feels boring. He has charming moments, but him toeing the line between protagonist and antagonist loses a lot of value when he's not as eccentric as he was in the pilot.

Angel Dust

Angel is what I like to call a double edged sword.

Technically speaking, he DID have the most development out of all the characters. He's funny and endearing enough. Probably the most solid and well-rounded character the entire season. That being said, he isn't perfect.

Many survivors have spoken on him not being good representation. Gay men have also not liked how stereotypical he is. I think both groups are valid in their critiques. Him harassing Husk in Masquerade isn't a great look. I understand he's supposed to be at his lowest here and we're not supposed to agree with his actions. I think the show should have acknowledged that and had him own up to it. It's fine to have characters do bad things (especially when the setting is Hell), but it shouldn't be ignored either.

Him standing up to Val was great. I think it's undercut a bit by Adam's list, but it's a good moment for him. Although, I do think him confronting his abuser should have come a lot later. But that's more of a pacing problem than an Angel problem.

Lucifer

Oh boy, where to start with Luci.

I'm in between the haters and the fans, I think. I think Lucifer is enough of a charming character. His depression is actually pretty accurate as someone who also struggles with it (way more accurate than Stolas, but this isn't about him). He's pretty funny. His design isn't horrible either, even with the show's need to twinkify everyone.

That being said, and I mentioned this in a post last week, I would have liked if they stuck with the pilot of making him a worse parent. I think the show makes him too sympathetic. It takes away complex interaction he could have had with Charlie (him understanding/helping Charlie could have come way later). And it forces the audience to judge Lilith prematurely. Lilith could be completely valid in leaving Lucifer and going to Heaven. But because Lucifer is depicted as the victim from the get-go, it doesn't matter what her motivations are. The audience already sees her in a negative light and are going to criticize her as such when she does appear.

I think they should have leaned more into had him actively disliking Sinners and looking down on them. This would be reasonable conflict between him and Lilith, who's implied to love them. Also, make him more of an asshole. Because it would be funny.

The Angels

Adam is a pretty fun villain, but I do think they went too far into misogynistic pig. The hammer it in so much that it kind of takes away from him. Him hating Sinners is valid with his past (losing both Lilith and Eve to them in his mind, as well as Cain/Abel), but the show makes a joke out of it. Villains like Adam still need depth to be good characters.

Lute is... whatever. I think she has potential and her character will be explored in upcoming seasons, which is fine. I don't have any major complaints about her.

I actually think Sera is the most compelling antagonist. She's a coward who took the easy way out instead of coming to a solution. She's pretty realistic in that sense, and I love the imagery of her eyes being full of fire. Someone who wants to do the right thing but made the wrong call. Like I mentioned above, more of an argument between her and Charlie instead of Adam and Charlie would have done her character well.

Despite Emily being so similar to Charlie, I actually like her a lot and she doesn't feel like a copy and paste. She definitive and captivating enough as a character. She has a lot of potential, especially with Lucifer falling hanging over her head.

I would punch St. Peter in the face given the chance.

The Vees

Should have made the Vees the main villains of the season without involving the angels so heavily. They already failed as antagonists; their plan fell apart in the second episode (should have drawn out Sir Pentious' betrayal longer instead of rushing his redemption). What's left for them to do now? I guess they could sabotage the hotel's reputation because they control so much of the media but that's so boring after a fight with Heaven.

It feels like the writers don't know whether to make them serious threats or keep them around for comedy. Yes, this is mostly about Val.

The Plot

The confrontation with Heaven was too soon. We barely get to see how the hotel works, is set up, and if it's actually working or if Sir Pentious was a fluke. We don't know how a Sinner gets redeemed. And throwing in that no one knows what gets a soul into Heaven doesn't help. Because now that just means that all/most Sinners could actually be innocent, which undermines the point of redeeming them.

Season 1 should have been Charlie learning what redemption really means through her interactions with the residents. We don't even know what got most of them in Hell in the first place and if that's the case, how do we redeem them?

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My redesign on Valentinoн❤🎨

I also wanted to draw his humanization, and somehow I got too carried away with it.

and vox.lol.

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I see only two, and mine doesn't count, which means one... Clearly more effort must be made if we are to put chlorine in the follower tank... Valentino and Vox in the AU of your choice return home to find thousands of immortal hamsters infesting their residence. Results?

Outlets AU they get Angel to deal with it because what else is he good for there

(Read the Outlets AU HERE)

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Really dont get what you saying about the songs, specially Happy Day in Hell like thats is a classic I want song that also introduces the setting and how out of place Charlie is, the only song i feel couldve been different were Carmilla's songs that i felt should've been more focused on Vaggie, but they still did their job of progressing the story

About Vaggie: Her centering her entire sense of self around Charlie is the point! She puts Charlie in a pedestal and feels inferior to her and that no one deserves her and that informs all of her actions, she hates her past so much she projected it, convincing herself Charlie would hate her too

About Alastor: i disagree about him feeling different from the pilot, he stills messes with people for his own amusimen a LOT, the whole comercial in the first episode is just him making fun of Charlie and the Hotel for free lol i really don't get this type of criticism of his character because i don't How people that say that WANT him to act like

About Adam: Adam DEFINETLY doesn't need dept to work lol he is supposed to represent an opressive force going against Charlie and what she believes, but he doesn't really have any personal connections to any of the characters(Lute is more of Vaggies rival) He makes sense as a threat and he is intertaining, he really doesn't need anything else

The Vees: Unlike the angels, the stakes The Vees bring has way more personal stakes for the characters, they have deeper connections to them so the demage they can cause can hit way deeper, specially since they are e Also sinners, so it will be Charlie having to confront the people she wants to help

Viv tends to like stablishing characters waaaay earlier in the stories so when It gets to their time to shine they don't feel like they came out of nowhere. I like that but understand a lot of people might not vibe with this way of storytelling

The Plot: Heaven confrontation in the finale says way more about Adam's character, with him being so sure of his superiority he probably didn't take it seriously until Lucifer showed up. And it also doesn't mean heaven won't do anything anymore, IF anything Adam's death will make Heaven start paying way more attention to what is happening and them deciding what to do and how every character reacts to what happend could lead to very drastic developments

Just my 2 cents

Reviewing Hazbin Hotel a Year Later (long post)

It's been roughly... a year since I've watched Hazbin Hotel, so I wanted to rewatch and revisit. I've definitely changed my mind on some things, so I decided to reassess what I said in my first review. No, I haven't seen the season 2 leaks.

The Songs

Last time, I said that they were good songs, if somewhat misplaced. And I stand by that. I think that because the season is so short, having those songs shoved in is more of a harm than a help. Some of them work in the scenes they're in, like Hell is Forever and Loser Baby. HIF does well with communicating Adam's cruelty and lack of empathy and it fits his character because we've already seen it before the song. LB connects Angel and Husk fine because the scene where Husk admits that him and Angel are in similar situations sets it up.

Other songs feel out of place and take up screen time that could be used for character interaction. Instead of Happy Day in Hell, we could have gotten insight into why Charlie feels so strongly about helping Sinners. Instead of You Didn't Know, we could have got a clashing of morals between Charlie and Sera (or even Charlie and Emily instead of Welcome to Heaven because as much as I love her, her character would have been more interesting if she was more disillusioned by Heaven). Instead of Respectless, we could have gotten a real look into the Overlord system. Hell's Greatest Dad was completely unnecessary and only makes Lucifer look immature (and it doesn't do a great job of trying to communicate that Alastor is manipulating Charlie either because it all cumulates to two powerful demons wanting to parent a grown woman).

Some songs have okay placement. More Than Anything does work as a reconciliation song, though I think it should have taken more to convince Lucifer. Stayed Gone shows enough of Alastor and Vox's interactions, but that time could have been spent setting up their rivalry.

In a season with only eight episodes, the songs really don't help with the pacing. I understand that music is a big part of Hazbin's history, but A24 really dropped the ball with only having eight episodes for the season, ten or twelve really would have been better. Especially because it's supposed to take place over six months.

Charlie

As most of you know, I really like Charlie and don't criticize her as harshly as some in the critical community. Because I think she's endearing and that she's a character who isn't necessarily bad, but has been handled poorly.

There is a certain babying of her character that takes away from her. You see this the most in Masquerade. As much as I love Loser Baby, why is it Husk going after Angel and not Charlie who's the one who did something wrong? That takes character interaction away from Charlie and doesn't allow her to face the full consequences of her actions.

Which sucks because one thing I love about Charlie is that she's completely willing to accept when she's wrong. She has no issues taking accountability, but the narrative goes out of its way to soften the blow. Which weakens her character.

We also have almost no insight on her upbringing. Or why she wants to help Sinners when Lucifer was dead set against them. We can assume that she got it from Lilith, but Lilith being almost a non-entity in the show is a hinderance.

The show doesn't establish enough of Charlie's character. Yes it's only season 1, but it goes out of its way to pay attention to Angel, Alastor, and even Lucifer more than her. And she's the one that's supposed to be the main character.

Vaggie

Where to begin with my problems with Vaggie.

Devotion to a character can work in a lot of cases. Take Zoro from One Piece. His devotion and loyalty to Luffy is possibly the best thing about his character. Why does it work for him and not Vaggie?

One, he does have goals outside of Luffy. He wants to be the World's Greatest Swordsman. His allegiance to Luffy and his ambitions fuel and strengthen one another. They go hand in hand; to serve Luffy he has to be the best and never lose, to be the best, he has to be the swordsman of the future king of the pirates.

Hell, even take Mikasa from Attack on Titan. She's similar to Vaggie in that her attachment to Eren is unhealthy and can hinder her character. But she also has no problem arguing with Eren or telling him when he's wrong. She doesn't just go along with what Eren says and has thoughts outside of him, even ending up siding against him. We never see this with Vaggie. She coddles Charlie (or, in the case of Masquerade, enables her. It was her idea for Charlie to confront Valentino. And in that very same episode she told Husk to force Angel back, telling us she hasn't learned anything).

Even in Scrambled Eggs, where Vaggie's supposed to be bonding with the boys and earning their trust, the show still centers her actions around Charlie. The boys learn trust on their own offscreen without her even in the picture. Like Charlie, she isn't getting real character interaction to help her develop.

We don't even see her and Charlie argue about her being an angel. If we're supposed to feel sympathy for Vaggie, we have to see her thought process. Why did she spare that demon (yes I know it was a kid but if it was because they were a kid, why go after a kid at all)? Why didn't she trust Charlie enough to tell her? We never even get an explanation from her and it does nothing for her character. Because we never get a confrontation between her and Charlie. It makes her betrayal meaningless. The whole thing could be taken out and the plot would remain uninterrupted.

Alastor

Alastor is... okay. I guess.

Like Charlie, I don't hate his character in season 1. He's entertaining enough. It does feel like they did the bare minimum with his character and he's a little flat.

They should have kept him whacky like in the pilot. I think the show made him too... controlled? Like, he's just standard evil instead of chaotic. I don't know, there's something about his presence that just feels boring. He has charming moments, but him toeing the line between protagonist and antagonist loses a lot of value when he's not as eccentric as he was in the pilot.

Angel Dust

Angel is what I like to call a double edged sword.

Technically speaking, he DID have the most development out of all the characters. He's funny and endearing enough. Probably the most solid and well-rounded character the entire season. That being said, he isn't perfect.

Many survivors have spoken on him not being good representation. Gay men have also not liked how stereotypical he is. I think both groups are valid in their critiques. Him harassing Husk in Masquerade isn't a great look. I understand he's supposed to be at his lowest here and we're not supposed to agree with his actions. I think the show should have acknowledged that and had him own up to it. It's fine to have characters do bad things (especially when the setting is Hell), but it shouldn't be ignored either.

Him standing up to Val was great. I think it's undercut a bit by Adam's list, but it's a good moment for him. Although, I do think him confronting his abuser should have come a lot later. But that's more of a pacing problem than an Angel problem.

Lucifer

Oh boy, where to start with Luci.

I'm in between the haters and the fans, I think. I think Lucifer is enough of a charming character. His depression is actually pretty accurate as someone who also struggles with it (way more accurate than Stolas, but this isn't about him). He's pretty funny. His design isn't horrible either, even with the show's need to twinkify everyone.

That being said, and I mentioned this in a post last week, I would have liked if they stuck with the pilot of making him a worse parent. I think the show makes him too sympathetic. It takes away complex interaction he could have had with Charlie (him understanding/helping Charlie could have come way later). And it forces the audience to judge Lilith prematurely. Lilith could be completely valid in leaving Lucifer and going to Heaven. But because Lucifer is depicted as the victim from the get-go, it doesn't matter what her motivations are. The audience already sees her in a negative light and are going to criticize her as such when she does appear.

I think they should have leaned more into had him actively disliking Sinners and looking down on them. This would be reasonable conflict between him and Lilith, who's implied to love them. Also, make him more of an asshole. Because it would be funny.

The Angels

Adam is a pretty fun villain, but I do think they went too far into misogynistic pig. The hammer it in so much that it kind of takes away from him. Him hating Sinners is valid with his past (losing both Lilith and Eve to them in his mind, as well as Cain/Abel), but the show makes a joke out of it. Villains like Adam still need depth to be good characters.

Lute is... whatever. I think she has potential and her character will be explored in upcoming seasons, which is fine. I don't have any major complaints about her.

I actually think Sera is the most compelling antagonist. She's a coward who took the easy way out instead of coming to a solution. She's pretty realistic in that sense, and I love the imagery of her eyes being full of fire. Someone who wants to do the right thing but made the wrong call. Like I mentioned above, more of an argument between her and Charlie instead of Adam and Charlie would have done her character well.

Despite Emily being so similar to Charlie, I actually like her a lot and she doesn't feel like a copy and paste. She definitive and captivating enough as a character. She has a lot of potential, especially with Lucifer falling hanging over her head.

I would punch St. Peter in the face given the chance.

The Vees

Should have made the Vees the main villains of the season without involving the angels so heavily. They already failed as antagonists; their plan fell apart in the second episode (should have drawn out Sir Pentious' betrayal longer instead of rushing his redemption). What's left for them to do now? I guess they could sabotage the hotel's reputation because they control so much of the media but that's so boring after a fight with Heaven.

It feels like the writers don't know whether to make them serious threats or keep them around for comedy. Yes, this is mostly about Val.

The Plot

The confrontation with Heaven was too soon. We barely get to see how the hotel works, is set up, and if it's actually working or if Sir Pentious was a fluke. We don't know how a Sinner gets redeemed. And throwing in that no one knows what gets a soul into Heaven doesn't help. Because now that just means that all/most Sinners could actually be innocent, which undermines the point of redeeming them.

Season 1 should have been Charlie learning what redemption really means through her interactions with the residents. We don't even know what got most of them in Hell in the first place and if that's the case, how do we redeem them?

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