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Ok but like imagine civil war from peters perspective, youre 14, post some vids of yourself doing some sick flips, a few months later Elon musk shows up and your house and coerces you into flying to another country to pick a physical fight with his coworkers

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ever think about how aside from Rhodey, not even Tony's own team were really on his side because it was that garbage

Natasha, T'Challa and Vision either defected or half assed it because his lady love takes rightful priority, and T'Challa was only there on "team Iron Man" as an enemy of my enemy thing

And Peter didn't even know what was going on and was no doubt kept in the dark because if he had known he'd have been team Cap in an instant

Like...the whole set up and following films establish that Tony was not on the right side of history there his own team were like nah

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Captain America: Civil War and the Flaws of Bureaucracy

the sokovia accords are a problem, and cap was right not to sign them, even after everything that went down. the problem is not with tony, and the problem is not with accountability, and the problem is not with accords, in theory. the problem is that these accords don’t actually create accountability. 

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I literally read the grossest meta about civil war yet, god this is why I don’t go into tags -__- How dare someone compare Steve Rogers ‘don’t move’ quote to Republicans denying gun control as if that’s what its like. To compare standing up for what is just to pure garbage politicians 

Steve Rogers in Civil War will comprise where he can - The UN and Tony both don’t give him reason too, he doesn’t see the accountability in allowing an outside entity controlling his decisions, without proper research (The UN fyi to anyone who lives in the real world isn’t that fucking effective). He is given 3 days to review a document that would change everything, meanwhile Tony is using everything he knows about Steve to manipulate him into signing - Tony isn’t making rational arguments to sign, but plays on emotions, bring up a child’s death, Steve’s relationship with his dad, or how it negatively impacted him, while ignoring all the flaws in the document - HE HIMSELF SAYS ITS NOT PERFECT, all the avengers do. Where is the comprise to be had? A contract is binding - the UN meanwhile is hunting to kill Bucky, Team Tony is ignoring the real threat of other more ruthless winter soldiers that don’t need brainwashing. Where is Steve supposed to comprise? When Wanda could and most likely would have ended up in prison? When Bucky would have been killed on sight without a trial? 

I am so done with Meta trying to justify Steve standing up for the people who are ignored by the system to making him a hard headed asshole who doesn’t care 

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I could never be around the discourse that surrounded Civil War because for some reason the fact that I would also choose my traumatised, torture victim best friend over my coworker who had tried to guilt trip me for an atrocity that he had committed is controversial to some people.

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rewatching the marvel movies as a thirtysomething adult trying (finally) to heal from 20+ years of severe mental illness and trauma and actually doing the work to do that really hits different. but also not that different. i've never understood the obsessive love the fandom has for tony stark and i understand it even less now.

the avengers within the mcu were never a cohesive unit (or, you know, actual friends) because they were constantly at the mercy of a severely mentally ill billionaire who consistently and unapologetically allowed his trauma and illness to explode outwards and harm others and then he would wallow and whine and use his considerable wealth to attempt to mop up the mess he created. he never got real help. he never put an effort into seriously trying to heal and it damaged not only every single person around him but random citizens and cities.

"but he was a good man at heart!"

yes. he was. that is not enough. that man was unwell and a danger to himself and others. he knew that and yet he continued to cause chaos and spread his trauma to other people. mental illness or not, that is selfish. his sacrifice at the end was noble but it doesn't undo the decade before that.

it's kind of mind boggling that steve, of all people, gets shit on the most in the fandom when the first two captain america movies (notably movies without tony btw) were the only movies with a shred of actual real competency and friendship in them.

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Watched the first Iron Man movie last night, and it's telling that Tony's habit of talking over people/disregarding them/constantly interrupting is a trait that starts out STRONG and then slowly eases up by the end of the movie. Like this was one of his flaws that he was meant to grow out of by the end of his journey. And he does!

But then the moviegoing public loved it so much that marvel just decided to reverse his character development and have him stay a self-absorbed asshole lmao

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a wild reminder since this fandom likes to force t*ny into literally everyone’s story for some extra sympathy points:

t*ny stank never met peggy carter. he never knew her. she was not his honorary aunt, or his godmother, or his guardian after his parent’s deaths (that last role was given to edwin jarvis, the guy t*ny named his favorite a.i. after, remember?)

t*ny didn’t know about shield, the organization his father was a founding member of. he probably never even knew peggy and howard kept in touch after the war. it’s entirely possible he never even knew she existed outside of the old captain america radio dramas.

he was not peggy’s favorite. she never met him. she would not have taken his side during cw and she certainly would not have hated steve for fighting with him.

if he was her favorite? if he was her godson, and she did love him? he was a pretty shitty godson for never mentioning her, and not even bothering to show up to her funeral.

you can talk about headcanons and AUs all you like, but stop acting like this fanon fad is legit canon.

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Oh, I’m starting to want you to make me.

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it is concerning how much faith Tony fans have in the government and the political establishment: especially the ones who call themselves "liberal".

Like, its a consistent theme throughout the MCU that establishment figures and politicians cannot be trusted. They're almost always the villians or aligned witht the villians.

They never pass up an oppurtunity to screw over the little people. Which is arguably one of the most realistic aspects of the MCU.

Take how they say Steve "should have gone throught the right legal channels" to help Bucky in Civil War.

The movie takes great pains to show us that Steve *tried to do that*. Like Bucky let himself be arrested as soon as he got away from Ross kill squad.

And what happened? He's handed over to the CIA and denied a trial or legal representation (E. Ross laughing at the idea of him having a lawyer which is a human right enshrined in International law)

Its clearly shown that those in power were *not interested* in who really bombed the UN. They just got hold of the nearest convenient scapegoat and wanted to get rid of him as soon as possible to look good. To look as though they were doing something.

No due process, no investigation. Zip. They didn't even bother with proper security at the detention facility considering Zemo was just able to walk in armed only with a fake ID card.

Steve was basically *forced* to clear Bucky's name himself, because the establishment were not interested in real justice. It wasn't even some "arrogant American" version of justice either.

Like... finding the *right* person who bombed the UN and killed King T'Chaka should have been a priority for anybody.

Convicting the wrong person for a crime is contrary to most people's interpetation of justice, because it means that the person who actually did it goes unpunished.

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No, The Sokovia Accords could not "just be changed"

We need to talk about this.

Tony Stark fans are very keen on repeating the claim Tony made in Captain America: Civil War that the Avengers could simply sign the Accords and then get them changed to make them more acceptable at a later point.

Play ball now, negotiate later.

Sounds reasonable right?

Except from a legal perspective this is patent nonsense.

Anybody who has ever had to sign a contract or legal document, or indeed any lawyer could tell you that you it is next to impossible to make changes after the fact. i.e after signing.

You read the contract and you make changes before signing: otherwise that's it. Once you sign you are obligated to abide by the terms of the contract in every point.

Now, there are certain very limited circumstances where you can change a contract after signing, but these are few and far between. It also takes time, money and a lot of legal wrangling. It is a nightmare.

This is why, at the risk of repeating myself, you read the law or contract, and you ask a lawyer to make changes before you sign. Even if this process takes weeks or months because you do not want to be bound to the terms of a contract which may negatively impact you.

What Tony was saying was bullshit, and he knew it. He had dealt with contracts before, and knew how they worked. He knew they couldn't "sign now and change later" so he lied.

Just like he lied about getting Bucky into a psych ward. According to a deleted scene, Bucky had already been sentenced to extadition, and Tony could not simply reverse that judgement. Besides, T'Challa was not going to stand for some white dude telling him what he could do.

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"they left him to die" thing annoys me so much with the Civil War final scenes, even 10 years later, because it's just another fanon thing that's become ingrained as false canon. People act like Tony was unconscious and bleeding out on the ground, but he wasn't.

Tony was conscious, lucid, he had some superficial cuts (head wounds, however minor, are notorious for bleeding heavily, there's no sign of these injuries on Tony's face in the car with Peter later, I checked). Two days AFTER his confrontation with Steve and Bucky, according to the Marvel wiki's VERY meticulous timeline, he was dropping Peter off back home. Even the black eye he has isn't even from the Siberia fight, he had that before he even set foot in the airport. Also, is Tony a genius and one of the smartest characters in the MCU or is he a helpless poor baby?? Make up your minds, because the facility he was left in still had power (there's lights on, the cryo chambers function, the screen plays the footage of the crash; there's also some form of heating, you can't see their breath and it's frozen outside with no sign of the same inside, so he wouldn't have frozen either). He's Tony goddamn Stark, he can easily divert power from it to his suit to make a quick call to be picked up, and that's only if T'Challa hadn't been there, which he was.

Powering down the suit was their last ditch attempt to stop Tony from killing Bucky, it is CANON that Tony wanted to kill Bucky and would've had the suit not been powered down. It in no way left Tony somewhere he was going to freeze and die, helpless without his arc reactor.

You know who wasn't lucid? Who was actually barely conscious and had suffered catastrophic injury? Bucky. Who just had his arm torn off again. The arm that is canonically connected to his nervous system, the scene with the plums illustrates this but it was also confirmed by the directors that Bucky can feel the arm. Steve has to carry Bucky out. We've seen how tough Bucky can be, super soldiers in general, so it'd take a lot to put him in that state. When we see them in Wakanda, Bucky is in a medical facility with abrasions on his face and still getting treatment, even on a drip after the fight, while by then Tony's chilling in a car with Happy and Peter cracking jokes.

I don't know I'm just a bit tired of the way Tony's babied (Bucky is too, don't get me wrong, but specifically the Siberia fight? Yikes, he was in a bad way and Tony was physically fine, emotionally not so much) while also acting as if he's the most capable badass in existence. Tony is an extremely formidable and dangerous man and has killed a lot of people, directly he has shot them right in the face. He wasn't helpless during the fight, he was the instigator and he was driven by very valid, passionate motivations that skewed his judgement, as they would anyone tbh. The only person who walked away from Siberia with injuries even close to life threatening was Bucky, the only person who's life was in any danger at all during the entire encounter was Bucky (and possibly Steve too if Zemo had his way).

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And another thing!

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anti team cap fics are sometimes very entertaining because in order to make their point they have to write Steve acting so ooc... they have to write him acting like canon Tony

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Y’know the truth is I don’t think Tony Stark would bother me nearly as much if his fans were just even slightly normal about him. Like antis get this reputation for being crazy obsessive hateful people, but in my experience they’re just frustrated fans that want a place to vent about an otherwise very popular character. It’s the stans who will cross tag and send death threats to blogs that dare disparage their precious baby. It’s the stans that clamor for unfair amounts of screen time and encourage the co-opting of other characters to surround Tony Stark. I don’t see antis writing a thousand 10k fanfics about Team Iron Man getting tortured and groveling to Steve. Idk maybe this is an unfortunately common fandom behavior?? It just seems so unnecessary to me

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look, whether you love him, or hate him, please admit that Tony Stark’s greatest flaw is not refusing to ask for help, it’s not arrogance or alcoholism or any other number of things fandom loves to bring up

Tony Stark’s greatest flaw is that he thinks he insists that he’s learned from his mistakes, honestly believes that he has, in the same breath as he repeats them

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Things I confirmed during my fourth viewing of CACW yesterday (don’t judge, each time as been with a different person and like I’m going to turn down an offer to go see a Captain America film no matter how many times I’ve seen it ;))…

The orders for all local law enforcement regarding Bucky as conveyed by Sharon to Steve after the UN bombing were ‘shoot on sight’.

After Steve finds Bucky and the whole tunnel chase happens, Steve asks Everett Ross point blank if Bucky is going to get legal representation. Everett Ross (Martin Freeman) laughs incredulously and condescendingly in answer.

After the airport battle and Tony accuses Nat of being a double agent, he gets the notification that the body of the real psychiatrist who was supposed to interview Bucky was found in his hotel room and figures out Zemo’s involvement. He orders Friday to send that information to Thaddeus Ross.

Upon landing on the Raft following that notification, Tony asks Thaddeus Ross if he’s going to do anything about Zemo. Ross gets belligerent and tells Tony ‘why should I believe you (about Zemo)’ and makes it clear he’s still after Rogers and Barnes despite being in possession of enough empirical evidence for reasonable doubt regarding Barnes involvement in the UN bombing. 

When Clint accuses Tony of being a backstabber at the Raft Tony mentioned he didn’t know that Thaddeus Ross was going to put Clint, Wanda, Scott and Sam in the Raft. It is also revealed during that conversation that the MCU Raft, like the comic Raft, is meant for real hardcore, insane, sociopathic criminals. If we’re going by just the airport battle the worst charges Clint, Scott, et al would have against them would be resisting arrest, maybe aggregated assault (assuming someone from Tony’s team filed that charge), and destruction of property. None of which merits a Raft lock-up. And certainly, no charge, no matter how heinous, would merit a lock-up without due process.

To remind everyone, this is what due process means:

An unbiased tribunal.

Notice of the proposed action and the grounds asserted for it.

Opportunity to present reasons why the proposed action should not be taken.

The right to present evidence, including the right to call witnesses.

The right to know opposing evidence.

The right to cross-examine adverse witnesses.

A decision based exclusively on the evidence presented.

Opportunity to be represented by counsel.

Requirement that the tribunal prepare a record of the evidence presented.

Requirement that the tribunal prepare written findings of fact and reasons for its decision.

…I wonder if any of those 117 countries backing the Accords understood that Ross (both of them) intended to enforce them in a way that violated human rights.