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parksborn doodle for the soul :)

they are the overdressed/underdressed combo of my dreams !!

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I don't know if Harry Osborn drives but if he did he would be in his car scream-singing to "Caught Myself" by Paramore

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About that...

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THAT superhero game now has a playable build on PC... nobody told me... Ooooooooooh

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they will be freaks until the day, until the dawn

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I'm curious. Reblog this if you know how to cook

I don’t even care if it’s macaroni, ramen or those little bowls you stick in the microwave. Please, I need reassurance that most of the population on tumblr WOULDN’T STARVE TO DEATH if their parents couldn’t fix them food or they couldn’t go out to eat. 

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Ooooh...

THAT superhero game now has a playable build on PC... nobody told me... Ooooooooooh

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Yeah, I’d watch Muppets Lord of the Rings

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Yes!

It sucks that fandoms are obsessed with morality and purity, and I completely agree on your view of "redeemability" regarding characters, it never really made sense to me.

I feel like one of your points (feel free to correct me obviously) is that you don't like NWH's attempt to chalk up Norman's bad behavior to simply mental issues, which I understand, but I do remember feeling happy when it came out about the fact that a superhero movie said something else than "we can't do anything for them". It did simplify things, but I liked the idea of a Peter who kept trying like he should, as a hero. I don't actually know if that perspective on villains was rare, but in 2021's landscape, where people kept asking why Batman didn't kill the Joker and it felt like (emphasis on "felt like") the solution to any superhero movie was to kill and destroy, that idea felt refreshing.

I don't think the movie necessarily implies that ~the Goblin~ is responsible for all of Norman's issues, but I feel like this is a vaguely nuanced discussion that fandom (at least, currently) mostly cannot handle because it's easier and more popular to say one sentence to rile up everyone.

Anyway. Uh. I got lost too. Dammit, Norman!

Even I don’t know what this post is about and there’s probably no way for me to say this without sounding a little pretentious and for that I apologize but here’s some Norman meta analysis.

In terms of the Great Raimi Norman Discussion, something I thank a god I don’t believe in every day hasn’t yet escalated to Discourse(tm), among the things I wish weren’t a factor alongside the entire movie of NWH is the entire concept of a character being irredeemable. In my personal opinion, redemption is change. There is no point at which a person is not capable of some sort of positive change, so there’s no point where someone is irredeemable. This is simplifying for the sake of brevity, but it gets my point across.

However by the standards of larger fandom, there tends to be a collection of specific things that label a character irredeemable. These tend to be bigotry of most if not any form, any form of abuse, and sexual violence.

Raimi Norman managed to tick off all three.

Taking into account the authorial intent, Norman is very much meant to be sexist, an emotionally abusive parent, and I personally believe it’s very very likely that the comment the Goblin made towards MJ at the end of the first movie was intended to be a rape threat, especially taking into account him ogling her earlier in the movie.

The thing that tends to occur with those three topics in media is that they feel too real and too close to home and connect too much with people’s personal experiences. This can result a lot in people who generally like or enjoy a character with those traits sort of feeling the need to minimize, deny, or entirely avoid the topic of those things because it can feel like a reflection on their personal character to like a character who is those things or make them feel like they can’t enjoy the traits of those characters that they do enjoy. Norman’s behavior with MJ isn’t acknowledging and people tend to swing towards saying Norman was a bad parent or a neglectful parent because the word Abusive is a point of no return for most people when it shouldn’t be.

This is incorrect and anyone who tries to make you feel bad for this is incorrect. Personal preferences aren’t morality.

I broadly do not enjoy this for all the prior stated reasons but also because I feel this is also a root cause for a lot of Good Old Fashioned Norman Woobification. With denying these topics, in particular his child abuse and sexism because I’m aware the third is debatable, people end up implicitly taking the responsibility he has for his actions as a 57 year old man who made all his decisions on his own away from him or otherwise minimizing what he did or trying to make excuses, once again because modern fandom morality is a plague and people think any of the above means they can’t like a character.

And even besides that, I personally feel that to perform meaningful analysis of his character you have to be willing to embrace and openly acknowledge the very shitty things he does all on his own of his own agency. That sort of full understanding of a character is pretty necessary. You’re able to come to more complete and more defendable positions. And while I, me, tumblr user hawkogurl might not agree with them, they’re gonna be better developed. I don’t need to agree with them. I believe exposing myself to opinions I don’t agree with is good for me. It prevents the development of an echo chamber.

I continue to have no clue what I’m saying with this post so I’m gonna stop here. Because I’ll feel weird if I don’t say it, this post isn’t even directed at anyone specifically, we’ve come a long way from 2021 NWH era fandom and most people tend to be willing to acknowledge he’s kind of the worst and I don’t need to agree with you to respect you.

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reblog to meow at the person you reblogged from

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thinking about them finding stupid ways to be happier together

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Best fandom history commentary ever, courtesy of @tardistara

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Made this for @kv-wisteria dtiys 1k celebration on IG 🎉🎊🎉

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oh shit, it's 3/21/23, 32123, palindrome day

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Enemies to lovers

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can't remember if I've posted this one!