mikey-2003

[mikey-2003]

So I want to touch on this because I think genuinely THIS is where most misinterpretation of eggman's frontiers characterization came from.

In the game, eggman tells sage to be careful and calls her "dear daughter", which sounds basically out of character for eggman to do, making it appear sympathetic (and also kinda stupid too since he knows she is sacrificing herself and he just brings her back anyway). Thing is... This is legit the only scene in the entire game where eggman shows a sympathetic moment. Everywhere else he clearly is the same evil as hell person.

However, say what you will about the Japanese version of frontiers (I'll admit, some dialogue, at least in the base version of the game, idk about the dlc, sounds a bit worse than the English dub. I love the eggman, sage and Amy dialogues in the Japanese dub and think they're superior, but otherwise I can see where everyone is coming from.), but this shows a more in character portrayal of eggman.

In here, eggman has zero reason to be worried about sage sacrificing herself because she is considered a masterpiece. Never once telling sage to be careful, because again, he has zero reason to.

I think the whole mis-characterization of Dr eggman being sympathetic in frontiers would've been avoided if the people who did the original English dub just changed the scene to make him seem more in character.

Frontiers eggman is so good, but this English dub dialogue was kinda ooc, and I'm definitely glad the Japan version changed it.

[mikey-2003]

Btw, this profile is DRAMA FREE. I'm not gonna get into drama with other users or whatever.

If someone assumes I deleted something cuz I was forced to? Fuck off, genuinely fuck off. I did it BECAUSE of wanting to be drama free. I want my profile to be clean from other users in terms of drama, end of discussion.

sorry you were forced to delete your randomfox post, that guy called me the r-word over me liking a sonic thing that he doesn’t like

I don’t understand why people defend him when he’s constantly causing drama

I wasn't forced to delete it, j delete it by choice because I wanted to keep my account to feel less drama-like and not mentioning every user that isn't me.

[mikey-2003]

Real talk, am I the ONLY one who finds the animal characters not very attractive?

Like take Sonic for example, most people are attracted to most of the animal characters. Personally? I don't see it. I don't find anything attractive, since they're made of fur and they're all animals.

I very much think human beings are way more attractive. Animals just aren't. Plus, the Sonic characters are fucking the size of a child or a baby. That's just not a good takeaway for me, they're TOO small, I'd rather be dating someone close to the same size or taller than me.

I don't get why people find animal characters like Sonic characters attractive... Like at all, they're not. :/

Yes I ran out of post ideas, I'm drawing currently. Lol

[mikey-2003]

sorry you were forced to delete your randomfox post, that guy called me the r-word over me liking a sonic thing that he doesn’t like

I don’t understand why people defend him when he’s constantly causing drama

I wasn't forced to delete it, j delete it by choice because I wanted to keep my account to feel less drama-like and not mentioning every user that isn't me.

[mikey-2003]

Welp I got super bored, so I decided to do some height differences.

Image one is the boom characters height difference from the modern characters.

Image 2 is the movie characters compared to their modern characters (based off of measuring a 188cm man (Jim Carrey eggman), so they're taller than their modern characters by default here.)

Image 3 is comparing modern eggman's canon height (185cm) to Jim Carrey's height (188cm.)

Image 4 is comparing AOSTH eggman (Satam eggman's height should be the same tbh.) to his classic counterpart, by scaling both versions of sonic in this image.

[mikey-2003]

Do you ever look at some artwork accuracy and think "wow I fucked up completely with this."... Well that's what happened to me. XD

It's the height difference between classic and modern eggman.

Basically the issue is...

Canonically, Dr eggman in the classic games is 140cm and Dr eggman in the modern games is 185cm (not sure how he grew taller but sure.), HOWEVER the size difference i did is inaccurate, because I was basing it off of the size difference seen in the sonic generations cutscenes and uh... Yeah turns out it wasn't helpful after all.

The reason I put 2 blank people in the background is because I'm using it as a height reference and... Yeah, the classic eggman in my drawing is MUCH bigger than a 140cm guy.

Idk if I'll redraw classic eggman or not tho. Lol

[mikey-2003]

Hey I drew tails and knuckles.

Yeah I decided to do the NPC colors from sonic 3. Just cuz it looked funny. XD

[mikey-2003]

See I can draw other sonic characters:

Amy rose. (Classic and modern)

Blaze the cat.

Sonic the hedgehog (classic and modern)

Shadow the hedgehog.

I may draw eggman alot... BUT I can do other characters, so here.

[mikey-2003]

Dr eggman's name... A useless name discussion, that should have just honestly die out years ago, because... I'll be honest this is just stupid.

BOTH sides of the argument are stupid to be honest, the American purists who preferred the name robotnik due it sounding more intimidating, and the Japanese purists who preferred eggman due to it being the original Japan vision and also just hating American influence.

Just.... Okay let's just get this over with by describing the history of his name:

In the original Japanese version of the games, he was primarily called Dr eggman and still is to this day, he is called that primarily due to... Idk, being a fat evil guy. Tho its also theorized he was named after a lyric from the Beatles song "I am the walrus", which technically isn't far fetch? He did have a walrus like triangles in his classic outfit.

In the English translations of the games up until 1997, he was called Dr ivo (pronounced ee-vo) robotnik. He was named in the USA by dean sitton and the name Ivo was chosen because it sounded similar to evil. I did hear that robotnik was chosen cuz it sounded like "worker" in Russia, but I haven't found a source on that... That and it's "rabochiy", not "robotnik" in Russia that translates to worker.

Then like, idk, around 1997, he is referred to as both eggman and robotnik in both English and Japan. Sonic jam's official bio in Japan (despite its... Weird inaccuracies to his characterization) is the first time the name Ivo robotnik is used.

Now there's also another factor into WHEN he is named in canon, so... I'll make most of the post talking about this (cuz I need an excuse to make it longer. TvT)

In the English translation of sonic adventure 1, they gave him the name Dr robotnik like all the other games pre-1998.

But In The original Japanese version, he is still referred to as Dr eggman. So... That means he is never referred to as robotnik in Japan aside from sonic jam right? Well... no actually.

He has the name "robotnik" on screen in his cutscene where he destroys half of the moon and this is also present in the Japanese original as well, not an additional change in the English dub. (This isn't going into maria and Gerald btw)

So in English it is implied that he was called eggman since at the very earliest sonic CD (due to amy calling him that) but didn't change his name until after SA1, and in Japanese, it is heavily implied that he was called eggman since BEFORE the original game's story happened due to them meeting before it. I personally prefer Japan's implications for his name change as it is much easier to think about since he has been enemies already, but it doesn't really matter either way.

Now why did he change his name to eggman? Believe it or not, the information for his name change isn't exactly consistent.

Tailstube's explanation: https://youtu.be/TfYieaXmqrA?feature=shared

He referred to himself as eggman due to being fed up with Sonic's nicknaming him that, suggesting he did it out of pure spite than anything.

BUT.. and I'm going EXCLUSIVELY on frontiers' Japanese translation on the explanation since the English version of his egg memo didn't really help with the explanation at all.

The reason he changed the name in this game was NOT out of pure spite, but because he actually likes the name anyway. So he wasn't even offended by the name eggman to begin with unlike the tailstube's implications.

I prefer to go with japanese frontiers' explanation for the name change, cuz doing it due to being fed up sounds really stupid imo.

So why did they change the name so that he is called both? It's simple, it's so they can avoid confusion (especially because sonic and tails 2 (known as triple trouble in Japan) used the name robotnik prior to it even being canonized in 1997. Lol) of him having both names, so they change it to him having Ivo (still pronounced ee-vo btw) robotnik while his alias is now Dr eggman (basically now a supervillain ass name. XD). This is also so they can use the name Dr eggman in the English versions of the game to help unify all languages much better.

So... Yeah, he's called both, I don't see why anyone has a problem with accepting both.

People who grow up with USA stuff criticize this decision due to eggman sounding more "ridiculous" in itself... BUT to which I disagree because the name eggman ironically gives the character a more empowering feel, showing that Sonic's insults like that mean basically nothing to him and can turn it around. Plus saying robotnik sounds intimidating is kinda stupid imo, because I'd argue if you think about it, BOTH names are kinda equally stupid. So does it really matter? It's just a name.

People who love the Japan stuff criticize the robotnik name being canonized cuz it is American influence and also that it "makes no sense with Japan's naming system of using your first name.".. first off, that's false as Japanese people DO use their last name after a title. The only reason they used the first name in say, Gerald, is because his name is different from eggman's name, so obviously it is to avoid confusion but also, you don't use the first name anyway until you have a familiar relationship. (And since I should bring this up the reason doctor brief in dragon ball is using his first name is cuz dragon ball characters don't have last names anyway minus Goku's family. XD)

Plus it makes sense to canonize robotnik cuz... Can you imagine calling them "maria eggman" and "Gerald eggman"? It sounds weird to say. Lol plus they did this to expand on his family as he didn't have a confirmed family up until SA2, so like... Yeah why not use robotnik as a family name?

Me personally, I love both names. I do however used the name eggman much more as he was technically conceptualize with that name to begin with, plus I grew up with it, PLUS... Idk, I just feel like I'm more used to it. That's really the only reasons I used eggman more than robotnik, otherwise yes I love both.

BONUS NAME POINTS:

In the USA lore and fleetway lore, Ivo robotnik is backwards for ovi kintobor as he was originally a good scientist before becoming evil.

In AOSTH, Ivo was mispronounced as "eye-vo" which caused many misinformation surrounding his name pronounation. The sonic 3 movie, knuckles show and English tailstube unfortunately uses this name error, but Japan tailstube calls him ee-vo.

In the Archie comics, he was originally called Julian kintobor before changing his name to ivo robotnik... Idk why.

In the 1993 Saturday morning show, his full name is Julian robotnik, disregarding Ivo entirely.

In sonic boom, it's unknown if eggman is even his real name or not due to his father being called that. Either they both have the same alias or that's their real last name in the boom continuity

In the 2020 sonic movies, his name is exactly the same as the games implications, tho as of sonic 3, he still hasn't referred to himself as eggman yet, so right now, it's just SA1 English dub's implications (as in he's not referring to himself as eggman, only his enemies are) for now. This might change in sonic 4 tho.

And uh, yeah that's it, btw.

[mikey-2003]

Okay correction eggman in the games is technically 65.

Still technically younger than his film counterpart. XD

Wait, how is movie eggman 70 years old?

He is 40 years younger than Gerald.

110 - 40 = 70.

Bruh... Game eggman is still early 60s, Jim carrey himself is still in his 70s, and somehow Jim's version of eggman is older than BOTH his actor and the original game character.

Damn.

[mikey-2003]

Wait, how is movie eggman 70 years old?

He is 40 years younger than Gerald.

110 - 40 = 70.

Bruh... Game eggman is still early 60s, Jim carrey himself is still in his 70s, and somehow Jim's version of eggman is older than BOTH his actor and the original game character.

Damn.

[mikey-2003]

Ok I think I'm done with deleting some posts.

[mikey-2003]

Still the best Dr eggman/Dr robotnik fan artist I've seen.

Do you think they had time to try the food during their time at Mexico ?

They're time hiding from the government wasn't probably their glorious moments, but they sure spent that time together.

(No, I'm not ready to talk about that ending)

Sonic Materials (c) SEGA & Paramount

Artwork made by me.

[mikey-2003]

Don't mind me, just here to delete some posts here cuz.. I'm honestly not really proud of any of them.

[mikey-2003]

Alright, time to clear something up about my account as an eggman fan:

I love BOTH the game version and movie version. Do I love one more over the other? Yes, absolutely. Movie eggman is kinda... Not that good compared to video game eggman In terms of characterization, as Jim Carrey's take is more about playing as himself rather than being 100% like eggman.

However, I'll be lying if I said I didn't find Jim carrey's take isn't enjoyable. If anything, I unironically say he is better than most adaptations of eggman (primarily boom and ova, I dislike those versions of Dr eggman himself). That doesn't mean I think he is the best version, if anything there are parts where Jim's version did annoy me a little bit like how he still isn't called "eggman" yet, he needed to be fatter especially in 3, he definitely needed animals inside robots, and I did wish Jim did more than play his usual self. Are there obviously stuff I would write differently? Of course.

BUT I enjoy both versions even if I love the game version more, so this account is basically just "games + movies" related stuff, so... Yeah.

Anyways that's about it for this post. Just thought I'd make that clarification. I prefer game eggman more, but I still enjoy the film version. (Kinda like my opinion on the marvel super hero iron man. I consider his comic incarnation the best, but did found some enjoyment in some of his adaptations.)

[mikey-2003]

is there anything that would get you to forgive random the fox?

I mean, I guess part of me just wished he wouldn't hate on other fans.

I mean I get his point that other adaptations aren't as good as the original games, like I do understand it, and even I didn't like some adaptations, but... Idk, I guess I just want him to stop hating on other people that do like them, that is all..

[mikey-2003]

Oh yeah, finished this style too.

Movie eggman but in the style of his modern counterpart.

Sonic 1

Sonic 2

Sonic 3

Okay I'm done with film eggman for a while. XD