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And people wonder why a lot of fans think JK is the hyung in their relationship. Making sure his man ain't drinking too much cuz he's on cold meds. The side eye when he's walking away, like "I'm watching yo ass".

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Hello ! This is my first ask here.

I have a doubt regarding JK's yesterday live. One of Jimin's comment was about JK leaving at 2am/pm. There are 2 versions of translations going around - one is future tense, "you have to leave at 2pm. So go to sleep now" and another version is past tense , "you left at 2 am , so sleep now". There is a confusion about this , can you clarify it for us?

Hi, thanks a lot for your message!

I have seen this comment being translated in all kinds of ways, perhaps partially due to the fact that the way it is phrased is pretty vague and also it is written in Busan satoori.

It has been officially transcribed like this:

Though they did change the word '나가더구먼', written by Jimin originally in Busan dialect as '나가더만'; similarly to '어서 자' which Jimin wrote as '어여자' in Busan dialect. (Little detail but I just love how they automatically slip into their regional dialect when talking to each other 🥹)

To get to the content of the message, Jimin doesn't specify what time of the day exactly, he just says "at 2 o'clock."

Based on that solely it could be understood in both past and future sense. However the overall meaning of "너 2시에 나가더만" implies that:

You've told me/I've learnt you are going out/leaving at 2; this is a fact that I've got to know

Despite that I see you are not sleeping (my assumption and expectation is being opposed; I am surprised)

I know this probably sounds very confusing but yes, this much can be expressed with suffixes in Korean 😅

Then Jimin continues saying "어여자 이제" which is satoori for ushering someone to "go to sleep quickly now"

The full translation can be phrased as:

"(I know) you leave at 2* so hurry up and sleep now."

(*implied additional meaning: yet you are not sleeping)

Jungkook then replies:

"That's right, I am going out/leaving at around 2 o'clock, I am going" (-는데 this form again implies opposition- 'despite/even though' but it is hard to capture in English translation).

Basically Jungkook agrees to the juxtaposition with his answer, as he is seemingly not sleeping even though he has a schedule at 2.

He closes it off with an informal sentence: "Why do I hate sleeping this much?"

I have to admit even when I was watching this for the first time, I never got the impression from the whole convo it could be translated in any other way than future; but I guess there can be a bit of difficulty trying to express the full scope of the meaning in English and the sentence is indeed a bit vague. Though Jungkook's reaction doesn't really fit any other interpretation.

Hope it helped a bit!

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hello!

could you tell us about this expression "저 그렇게 쉬운 사람 아닙니다"? your translation of it, the context it was said in and how you interpreted it?

also what do you think of the fact that jungkook wanted to go to jimin's house to do the live and he said he'd take his things to take a shower there? O_O

thank you so much!

Hi, there! Thanks a lot for your message.

Oh well 🤭 let's take a look I guess!!

(*screenshot not mine)

To start off, I've seen a lot of discourse around this and also as to why/by whom it was deleted. To answer that first, it's hard to say because Jimin just commented:

"삭제해 버리네" which doesn't indicate who performed the action as the pronoun here is missing. He just wrote *he he he* "deleting" or "deleted"

He did use a grammar form 해 (어/아) 버리다 as to indicate that the action was completed in full; this grammar form can also carry an emotional undertone -as if someone was glad/regretful that the action happened. The best or closest interpretation of what he wrote then would be "he he he it's all deleted/gone" (alternatively: "he he he deleting it all") Did he mean he was glad he deleted? Or was he laughing that it got deleted? Hard to tell... You can see Jungkook understood it in that way, but I don't really see a reason why such action would be taken by anyone from the staff or moderators on the platform (if there are any).

Simply because what he wrote was very... brazen to say the least (we'll get into that) but in no way vulgar or inappropriate for broadcast.

Now looking at the preceding comment which you asked about... Jimin knew what he was doing with this comment 🤭 (and the nature of it leads me to believe even more he regretted posting so he deleted it quickly and was laughing about it)

"��� 그렇게 쉬운 사람 안입니다"

This phrase closest translates to:

"I am not such an easy person" / "I am not that of an easy person"

First, this sentence is a commonly used phrase, you can also see by the formal tone in which Jimin wrote it as if he was quoting it- he normally doesn't have to / shouldn't talk with such high politeness with Jungkook and Jungkook responded in a highly formal tone and the typical Jimin-ssi for that very reason => which all adds another layer to this whole interaction (teasing upon teasing 🫣)

It's very commonly used when someone is in pursuit of someone else, whether it be trying to persuade you, make you do/feel something or make a move on you.

You would typically say this in a setting when a stranger is trying to get to know you/get your number or in other words is hitting on you and you want to politely and also a bit playfully reject. Of course, the context can also be that when a friend is trying to get on your good side, please you or persuade you. This answer is kind of teasing way to say "huh you think this would work on me?" It is a lot of times spoken in situations when you want to be playful/teasing/flirtatious and say: I'm not such an easy person (but)... [I'm not that easy to sway/your attempts have not been enough, you should try harder]. It can read as an invitation, a sort of cheeky rebuttal to say you know your worth and you expect more to be persuaded.

When put in the context of the wlive, there is more to consider. Jungkook was talking about taking it easy prior to Jimin posting that, when he read a few comments saying that Jimin should "go easy". I feel like Jimin's idea for the comment came from this moment. What leads me to believe he ended up deleting it is that the context in which he said made it inherently flirtatious and very suggestive: Jungkook naked in bed, trying really hard to persuade Jimin over a livestream to go see him and Jimin making prior remarks to Jungkook to uncover himself 🙈 And that's how it was understood by Jungkook as well as he then went on to reason that it was Weverse that deleted the comment (for it being somehow explicit).

**Also just to note, "an easy person" 쉬운 사람 as a standalone term in Korean doesn't carry an outright sexual meaning- an easy person in Korean is understood as more of a 'negative' term when you are too agreeable, when you don't stand up for yourself and let people walk over you and you are too easily taken advantage of. It doesn't have to do anything with someone's promiscuity. In the phrase Jimin used however, the implied meaning is different as explained.**

Very shortly to the last part of your message, he said: "I'll bring stuff to wash up with" most likely implying he was to stay at Jimin's after the proposed live and sleep (and from my guess wash up before his schedule).

"내가 갈게, 내가 씻을 거 챙겨가지고 갈게"

"I'll go, I'll bring stuff to wash up with and go."

(he was emphasizing that he has no problem doing it, he is ready to go).

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And people wonder why a lot of fans think JK is the hyung in their relationship. Making sure his man ain't drinking too much cuz he's on cold meds. The side eye when he's walking away, like "I'm watching yo ass".

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Hi, it's KY here :)

How is everyone feeling about the Taennie news? Knetz have fully accepted the truth and moved on, I suggest I-fans need to do the same. (Jennie is known for having dating news come out regularly, so it's not a big deal for BP fans. For Armys, the sane ones, we've known for a while now haven't we? It's not a shock anymore.)

I read the comments on my previous ask and don't worry! I will not be sharing anything sensitive whatsoever. I find it funny when other shippers say things like "How is it possible that K-fans can keep things to themselves?" I don't think I've seen anyone else address this yet so let me tell you why.

K-Jikookers are mostly queer. Yes, you read that right. Unlike other shippers, who are straight women that self-insert as one of the members (like they do with TK) we support them as a couple. This means that we don't want to date either of them, and we don't self-imagine as their partner - we know that they're unavailable because they're exclusive to each other. You get me? And we know first hand how terrible it is to be queer in a conservative society. There are actually very few real romantic shippers in Korea, (again, KM is the only romantic ship that has a substantial fanbase) simply because it is so hard to accept two men dating. This is why you will see K-Jikookers on Twitter all being close friends/meeting up in person, because they are kindred spirits. I think it might be hard for westerners to really understand. How do I emphasize this more? The older generation in Korea, anyone older than 30+, is deeply homophobic, to the point where they see anything LGBT as western influence and pervasion. Being American, I know it's hard to grasp that level of homophobia - it's not hate comments about your sexuality or people refusing to sell you a cake for a gay wedding. It's social death, rejection, parents disowning their children, getting fired from your job. I'm not kidding. Do you think us, as queer fans who love and support KM, will willingly out them?

We would never, ever, ever do that, because we know the repercussions. Some Jikookers like to fantasize about their coming out, and I want you to understand: the K-side is terrified of that day. Yes, we all think it will happen in due time, but we are very very scared. You think the hate that JM is getting now is bad? You think people sending food to JK's apartment is bad? Nope. You haven't seen anything yet. You understand what I mean, right? Their coming out will not be a cute post. It will be a carefully orchestrated move complete with a legal and PR team. If/when they are out, their lives will be in immediate danger. I truly believe they will leave the country for a bit, maybe even months, maybe a year. There will not be any public sightings, fan meets, concerts. KM know this very well too. I'm sure there's already a plan in place for it.

And anyone searching for KM evidence on K-Jikookers social media, I would say don't bother. It's almost impossible. The white day photo leak was a massive mistake, and I know exactly who leaked it because they were removed from all group chats immediately. K-Jikookers were very very angry with them (and also cussing out foreigners...please, we all need to keep our mouths shut and keep stuff within our own circles.)

-KY

KY has spoken. We appreciate your services and await your next drop in.

I too, the Jikookers that I know, I have never seen them self insert themselves. Those are y/n idiots who do this shit. Not even in private spaces do I see this happening. We support them as a couple, despite how hot we may find them. We understand and believe they only have eyes for eo.

We appreciate the commercial break KY. Now back to the headline

TAENNIE IS REAL!!!!!

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편지- Letter ✍️

Now that the dust has settled, I found a peaceful moment in the afternoon to sit down in silence and listen to Letter while trying to unpack all my thoughts. This lengthy post will be more in the tone of my personal stance and connection with the song, omitting going into too much detail about the grammar and explaining Korean expressions but still I will try to explain how the song makes an impression with the specific language used.

My reflections:

From the beginning onwards, the song sounds very delicate, while Jimin is singing to us in the polite form and bringing up multiple themes that are characteristic for the ARMY fandom and our path with the boys over the years: the desert, the sea, the cold winter and a warm spring day... He is wishing us to be happier and for this to last forever, while promising to be there when you feel like falling and cherishing all the memories we made together.

In that way, I, as a listener, am in a headspace where I am reminiscing on our story with Jimin is an idol and all we've been through together with him (and trust me, if you have joined just recently, there has been a lot darker times)...

Though as the song progresses and as the refrain comes on, the urgency to express his emotions intensifies together with the instrumental. And this is where Jungkook's vocals come in too. Jimin with the help of Jungkook is suddenly singing in a casual (lower politiness) form as if directly trying to reach out to the person on the listening end individually, addressing every line with a higher intensity and more personally. It just feels more intimate, even more earnest and more powerful. Moreover, the lyrics and chosen words feel more targeted at an individual rather than towards a group (even the scrapped lyrics felt more like he was writing towards a single person in this section).

Whatever the reason for Jungkook's appearance in this part, it makes the emotional impact even more convincing.

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No matter what angle you may choose, Letter is an incredibly heartfelt track packed with strong emotions. I believe it's a song for ARMY and at the same time it is a song for someone in Jimin's life that has been his lifeline and his strong heart connection to them prompted him to write these lyrics woven with thick emotions.

That being said, Jimin sharing this unique space with Jungkook to support him in his emotional expression with his hidden layered vocals and some more audible backing vocals speaks volumes. Just the fact that Jungkook is present on a track (and on the most intense and personal part of the track) where Jimin is earnestly trying to deliver a message to the listener from the depths of his heart is special, no matter how anyone subjectively wants to interpret the song and its content: Do you think they are singing directly to ARMY? Great! I'd argue having someone that shares the same love and commitment, understands what you're feeling and is able to channel the same emotions as you, and as a testament to your bond you let them contribute to your own artistic expression with theirs, is incredibly precious.

There are things that Jimin will never comment on, so I doubt we will ever find out how this song and Jungkook's feature came to be besides what we already heard. Jimin is incredibly smart in how he tailors his message and communication with the broader audience. Thus, while on the surface the public sees him dancing sensually with female dancers, a longer careful look would give you a view of the half-half makeup and other dichotomies in the choreo/concepts, specifically chosen pieces of clothing, specially crafted details in the performance sets, etc. And the same thing applies to the song Letter too. Only after listening closely, you'll get to uncover layer by layer what lies hidden in this "hidden" track. On top of that, Jungkook casually showing he learnt the chords for this song in a random live broadcast out of nowhere prior to the release of the album just shows there is more to the story than we'll be ever told.

Personally, I will be keeping this song close to my heart and holding onto it until their military service concludes. It has become my own lifeline to my life as a fan and getting to hear Jimin and Jungkook together delivering these precious words is something I will cherish forever 🙏

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thank you so much @kookie-min-monster and @stormblessed95​ 

hi! i hope your having a good day ❤ We are all celebrating Jk's bday today n we celebrated it by ordering cake and share it with friends who are fan of bts too. 😊 how did u celebrate? 😋 in the soop 2 in coming!!!!

also if you can and you can say no if it's too much to ask, can you share all the selfies and twitter pose of jikook on their birthdays since 2013?. i'm trying to collect them all and it was too much to scroll on their TL and maybe you have them save?

thank you so much 😊 stay safe and take care

hi @ntznoona ! Thanks for your Ask & sorry for the late reply.

I spent JK's bday working with a new company so it was a fine day. And wow, JK has really just made 2021 a fun year, hasn't he? Eyebrow piercing first and now a lip piercing?! He's not giving us time to breath.

I don't have a KM archive of photos to share, nor anything organised enough to help you. But, perhaps one of the followers can help!

take care

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these are new ones!!! ❤️

Omg....

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JM felt betrayed by JK and he had enough of him like saying JM cancelled JK or JK dating the girl or KM broke off. 😩

like come on anon, even the sweetest and caring person cant act like as if nothing happen, and wont be comfortable being around with a betrayal or a cheater. even if they are being pro, you cant just act pro at all times, they will crack. JM even said he cancels people who are toxic to him. yes they are in a band but he cant simply just act comfortable around JK, he cant just act all natural or laugh with him. You will see a subtle distance in them but i dont see any distance on them, or any uncomfortable moment.

we dont need to compare old moments to new ones coz there is nothing to compare honestly. they are still the same.. KM is quiet and gets loud then get quiet. we havent seen them in a while cause they were just having a moment to theirselves and family and friends and they deserve that.

i dont know what people want to believe, but there is no point in telling or asking about it if people already draw their conclusion.

Hi! an honest question. being new to this fandom and shipping. I read from other pjm accounts and jikook blogs (can give u their @) that they really notice the drift between JK and JM since the tattoo and gf news. These accounts also said that JM has enough of JK and felt betrayed with how involved JK is in the whole issue. They are pretty adamant that Jikook is no more. But here I am also seeing how Jikook blogs like yours are still into Jikook being tg despite all this. So what is truth?

Anon I’m not here to convince you on what to believe. I can also give you a ton of Jikook accounts and PJM accounts that still believe in Jikook.

I don’t see this change everybody keeps talking about. You do realize that we’ve only seen the boys twice since they returned from break right? Both of those times they were all arriving to or leaving from the airport, so if y’all are drawing conclusions that they aren’t together because of airport pictures, then I don’t know what to tell you other than it’s stupid. Sorry to be harsh! 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

You decide for yourself whether you support Jikook or not!

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I… I… PARIS MY JIKOOK HEART IS YOURS

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Jungkook’s mind Another member talking - need to film Jimin Jimin is singing - need to film Jimin

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Mafia AU in my head

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JK’s laugh is so cute

Sr. kinkmins

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Casual jikook