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Wowzers, I can't believe I have to say this.

No, you cannot do historical revisionism just because you dislike the thing being talked about and yes it does matter if you do historical revisionism about any historical topic. It's bad, don't do it.

You cannot do an honest critique without understanding the material conditions and not having historical knowledge of the subject. If you don't do those basic steps you fail as a leftist and become reactionary.

I still can't get over some "leftists" saying "fascism in red paint" towards the USSR. Jesus Christ, such an idiotic statement. Fascism is capitalist, a socialist country cannot be fascist like a socialist country cannot be capitalist.

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I meant debate you about the Holodomor.

Bro im trying to be respectful and all that you have done is be condensending and an asshole. In your tags, you're conflating the USSR with modern Russia. That's more revisionist history. It seems you care more about being hateful or getting brownie points than telling the truth.

Now I'm only talking about the Holodomor. So I can better lay out what I said. I'm not responding to your response to this because it will be useless.

The USSR government did not cause the famine; it was a droughts and poor weather impacting production for multiple years prior to the famine that also affected countries surrounding the USSR. The USSR's policy of collective farming exacerbated the effects of the famines. The famine not only affected Ukraine but also Russia and other states in the USSR. This is like calling the Dust Bowl a genocide of Kansas' Midwesterners by the authoritarian government of the U.S. You see how silly it seems? The U.S. government also didn't send aid to the Midwest and to the Dust Bowl-affected states. You're discarding real historical facts for the sake of arguing against me.

The Holodomor was a failure of a state to deal with harsh weather conditions and a failure of Stalin's rushed policies of heavy industrialization, urbanization(Which is a major reason the USSR survied the Nazi's invasion, these policies had real effects good and bad.) and collectivist farming. That is not genocide.

You're misusing the term fascism. Socialist countries literally cannot be fascist. Also, fascism isn't "big military" or "big government". It has a real meaning; it's not a buzzword for you to throw around.

I also care about people, bud, and I'm doing that without doing historic revisionism. You act as if you can't do one without the other. I'm trying to be respectful to a fellow leftist, but you make it really hard when this is your response. Well, I'm done trying to explain history to you. Read some history and theory you need it. In your spare time watch the videos I sent instead of just calling them tankie.

Tankies are class traitors.

Every time a "communist" tyranny murders a ton of citizens, the poorest of us, the minorities among us, and rebels who exercise free speech, are the most vulnerable. The USSR, China, North Korea, these governments oppress the people. The amount of evidence is STAGGERING. The denial is like Holocaust denial, particularly when there is specifically genocides involved.

IF socialism hinged on supporting governments like the USSR, socialism would be wrong. Luckily, it fucking doesn't. WE DO NOT NEED AUTHORITARIAN STATES.

Fuck tankies.

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Can't sleep, so let's go over this and some reblog additions. This post and rebloggers misunderstand what a communist state is. A communist state is a socialist state where the government is run by a communist party. A socialist state is a state in transition between a capitalist state and a communist society. The goal of a socialist state is to dissolve the capitalist class and break down the hierarchies in society(the last bit is usually reserved for after the dismantling of the capitalist class and when the state becomes politically stable)

In the case of the USSR, China (not modern China, which is capitalist), and DPRK, they dealt with extreme external pressure from capitalist countries. This is why they followed something called siege socialism or siege mentality, in which, to varying degrees, these countries oppressed their citizens' speech and legal protections. Also in the case of the USSR, it actually relieved most of its siege mentality policies after becoming more politically stable. DPRK never had a chance due to the looming threat of American-backed invasion. This is an explanation of why it happened I do not believe in or condone all the policies used by these states.

Now to your position, I would say that's the most reactionary. That denial of the USSR, China, and DPRK oppression is similar to genocide denial, and your claim that these countries participated in genocide(I will not be talking about cultural oppression or cultural genocide because it is very different from the holocaust, the thing you compared to). I do not know what exactly you are talking about because you are entirely vague at this point, but let's look at the most reasonable assumption, where you're talking about the Holodomor. The Holodomor was not genocide for a couple of reasons. First, the USSR's policies during the famine did not exclusively discriminate against Ukrainians; it also discriminated against poor Russians in the region. It lacked genocidal intent. Second, the famine not only impacted Ukraine; it had major consequences in Russia and Czechoslovakia as well. This paragraph tries to shut down any historical analysis and shun any rejection of its premises by comparing it to genocide denial.

I could go on about how the last paragraph implies you believe capitalist countries are less authoritarian in nature than the USSR. Even social democratic countries rely on the colonization and hyper-exploitation of 3rd world countries which by nature are authoritarian. Your point leaves out how, under capitalism, the proletariat has very little control over their labor and control in their workplaces. The USSR had worker councils, and so did China, which, in my opinion, are far more democratic than liberal democracies, which only do the bidding of the capitalist class.

Now let's go over the thing that made me wanna respond, "It's fascism in red paint." This is one of the dumbest sentences I've seen. It's devoid of historical analysis and basic understanding of what fascism is. Fascism is capitalist there is no way a socialist country can be fascist. Fascism, in simple terms, is a capitalist ideology using imperialist tendencies inwards attempting to maintain capitalism in decay. Fascism in almost every situation sprouts from capitalist countries in decay. Look at Germany's, Italy's, and America's conditions when they became fascist. That phrase diminishes what fascism is and its real harmful effects it had. It's historical and fascist revisionism.

Now the conclusion. This post is reactionary, it lacks a clear understanding of what it is talking about, and comes from a place of hatred with no attempt to be correct or to gain knowledge. You do not understand or will not do a materialistic analysis of prior socialist projects. Also, all your grievances can be applied tenfold to capitalist countries like America, Israel, England, France, Australia, etc.

Heres some basic videos to give more insight.

This video will do a far better explanation of the Holodomor than I can.

A simple video explaining what fascism is.

A simple overview of what a vanguard party is

Heres a good example of a good critism of past socialist projects

Here's another video explaining how silly the term tankie is and how it's unproductive.

Tankies are class traitors.

Every time a "communist" tyranny murders a ton of citizens, the poorest of us, the minorities among us, and rebels who exercise free speech, are the most vulnerable. The USSR, China, North Korea, these governments oppress the people. The amount of evidence is STAGGERING. The denial is like Holocaust denial, particularly when there is specifically genocides involved.

IF socialism hinged on supporting governments like the USSR, socialism would be wrong. Luckily, it fucking doesn't. WE DO NOT NEED AUTHORITARIAN STATES.

Fuck tankies.

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Fucking ghoul. Showing your real colors. Did you know that to classify something as genocide, it needs to have genocidal intent? It's pathetic how you argue yet know nothing about what you're arguing about. All you did was act like an authority figure while knowing nothing and spouting conspiracy theories that you couldn't even be bothered to provide evidence for.

P.s. every news source is propaganda. No news source is unbiased. Learn how to deal with facts and not just go "it's propaganda!" Like a bitch. Also, you're a propagandist and psyop. I refuse to provide evidence now :)

Not to be nuanced on tumblr but I think it’s possible to believe that there are severe human rights abuses happening in Palestine right now and also believe that it’s wrong to try and rectify this by instilling fear in Jewish communities via violence.

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THE WESTERN DEMOCRACY IS A LIE

People like to talk about freedom and democracy like the West invented it and protects it. Especially the United States. They act like they are the moral center of the planet like they are out here saving the world from evil. But if you just scratch the surface even a little the whole story starts to fall apart. What you find is blood money lies mass graves and entire countries turned inside out for profit.

Start with the Irish Famine. The British Empire let a million people starve to death while they exported food from Ireland. That was not a natural disaster that was a planned death sentence. Same with the Indian famines. Millions died while food got hoarded or sold for empire profits. And when indigenous people stood in the way of expansion they got wiped out. Not just moved or pushed out but wiped out. Whole communities gone. Children stolen culture erased languages buried. That was genocide and they still try to make it sound like progress.

Slavery is the root of everything in the Americas. Wealth built on whipped backs and broken families. Human beings bought and sold like property. That system ran for centuries and when it ended the violence did not. Jim Crow came right after. Lynchings segregation police terror poverty redlining all of it built to keep Black people down while pretending they were free.

The list goes on. Indonesia. The United States backed one of the most brutal purges in modern history. Hundreds of thousands dead maybe a million maybe more. Just because they were suspected of being leftists. The US gave names gave weapons gave approval. And that same script played out again and again. Chile with Pinochet. Argentina with disappearances and torture. Brazil with secret police and fear. All stamped and approved by Washington because they were scared of socialism.

Bangladesh got ripped apart by a genocide nobody talks about. The Pakistan military went on a rampage. Rape killings firebombing villages. The US knew and kept sending weapons. Because again geopolitics mattered more than human lives.

And while this was happening Americans were dealing with their own internal empire. The Gilded Age was not just a period of rich people showing off. It was a time of brutal class war. Strikes crushed by bullets. Unions broken. Workers burned alive in factories. Then came the Great Depression and the same rich people who caused it walked away untouched.

Operation Condor. A massive assassination program in Latin America with full US support. People dragged out of their homes tortured thrown from helicopters. Banana Wars where US marines invaded country after country to protect fruit companies. Yes literally for bananas. Cuba under Batista was a playground for the mafia and capitalists until the revolution shut it down. And now they punish Cuba for refusing to bow down.

Guantanamo Bay is still there. A prison where people are locked up without trial tortured left to rot. The Vietnam War killed millions. My Lai Massacre was just one example of what was happening all over the countryside. Civilians wiped out for no reason. And before that in Korea the US and UN bombed the North into the Stone Age. Millions dead entire cities flattened. Then they try to say the North is aggressive for building weapons to protect itself.

Kent State. Peaceful students shot down by the National Guard. MOVE bombing in 1985 where Philadelphia police dropped a literal bomb on a Black neighborhood and burned down a city block. Red Summer was dozens of race riots where white mobs attacked Black communities. The state was either absent or involved. MK Ultra was the CIA experimenting on people with drugs without consent. Total mind control experiments like some dystopian novel but real.

Blair Mountain. A full on battle between coal miners and corporate backed police. They dropped bombs on workers to keep them in line. In Malaysia the British forced people into camps during the emergency. In Kenya they did the same to crush the Mau Mau rebellion. In Greece after World War Two they put leftists in concentration camps on Ai Stratis island. In Turkey they wiped out Armenians and still deny it. In Congo colonialism killed over half the population. The rest were mutilated forced to work or starved. That is the foundation of modern Belgium.

Yemen has been bombed and starved with Western weapons and no one talks about it. Julian Assange showed the truth. That US soldiers were gunning down civilians in Iraq for fun and they hunted him like an animal for exposing it. Same with the drone strikes. The majority of people killed were not terrorists. They were kids families random villagers. And the guy who told us that got locked away while the killers got medals.

The US has never stopped punishing countries that do not obey. Sanctions crush civilians not governments. One third of the world lives under US sanctions. That means medicine food basic needs being cut off. People dying so Washington can feel powerful.

They support over two thirds of the dictatorships on Earth. If a regime tortures its people but allows Western corporations to make money they are called allies. If a government tries to nationalize oil or give land back to peasants they get called terrorists.

And let us not forget the capitalists who funded the Nazis. That is not a conspiracy it is history. Big US companies made deals with Hitler. Ford GM IBM they all had business with the Third Reich. Hitler used antisemitism and anticommunism as tools. He said all Jews were communists and used that lie to justify genocide. They called it Judeo Bolshevism. That idea was not new. It was an old weapon. Blame the oppressed for resisting. Then wipe them out and claim it was self defense.

Every time someone fights back against this system they are labeled extremists. Every revolution is demonized. Every rebel is turned into a villain. But the truth is simple. The people in power lie cheat and kill to stay on top. They always have. They always will. And they rewrite history to hide the blood on their hands.

This is not about mistakes or accidents. It is about structure. The system is built on violence. Built on theft. Built on control. And if we forget that we let them do it again and again and again.

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No hate or anything, are you dyslexic?

No, I just always had trouble spelling. Idk I'm built wonky.

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War criminals like Netanyahu aren't the core of the problem. They are products of systems that birth, nurture and maintain them. That's what is at the core of it. If Netanyahu disappears today, another version of him will appear in under 30 seconds. I'm not saying shift your focus from these war criminals, but understand them as products of these systems. Our emphasis must be to abolish these structures and systems that make it possible for these criminals to kill and destroy the earth with complete impunity.

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hate overhearing a "I think it's complicated" political take in a very straightforward situation. everything's suddenly too complicated to form coherent opinions on when cnn says israel has a right to defend itself.

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Learn how to spell

No :)

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please do not forget that the gaza genocide is REAL. no matter how much the algorithm is placing clips of the genocide in your feed along with memes and funny tiktoks, remember to not get desensitized. real people are loosing their families and their lives. real people are starving. real people are getting bombed. never forget that.

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Alright, I'll spell it out for you (moving this to an ask because it's well past time we stop clogging OP's notifications).

You said "And would it be appropriate to in response to this murder and other anti-nazi violence and lashing out to make this comment?" on a post making an analogous comment in response to violence against Jewish communities. This is drawing a direct comparison between anti-Jewish violence and anti-Nazi violence, and therefore between Nazis and Jews. You didn't say anti-German violence, you said anti-Nazi.

Do you understand why this is offensive?

No I'm comparing anti-nazi violence to anti-Zionist violence you absolute dumb fuck. The d.c. shooting is not anti-Jewish violence its anti-Zionist violence. Fake offence to non-complicated question. Do you have basic reading comprehension? Read that again and look at the wording "And other"

P.s. most indiscrimate violence/lashing out towards germans were due to nazis doing a holocaust. Thats why I called it anti nazi violence because its violence rooted in hating nazis. I dont think you can even understand that.

Are you equating Judaism to Zionism now? Now I'll ask again so you cant weasel out of it.

Was the murder of Ernst Vom Rath a nazi diplomat killed by Herschel Grynszpan a Jewish refugee in retaliation to nazi Germany's genocide anti-Aryan? And would it be appropriate to in response to this murder and other anti-nazi violence and lashing out to make this comment? "Not to be nuanced on tumblr but I think it’s possible to believe that there are severe human rights abuses happening in Germany right now and also believe that it’s wrong to try and rectify this by instilling fear in German communities via violence."

And it seems like you're not going to respond so I'll make it easier. OP, you, and Zionists are equating anti-Zionist violence to antisemitic violence. You falsely said the d.c. shooting was a man randomly killing two Jews Infront of the capital Jewish Museum. What actually happened was a man identified two Israeli diplomats at a zionist diplomats meeting at the museum where he then killed them in retalitation for israels genocide. This is what happened when the nazi diplomat was murder, nazis and stupid people started fear mongering and saying the murder was anti-aryan like people now saying the d.c. shooting was antisemitic. Zionists used this anti-zionist violence which they spun as antisemitic to justify the silencing of pro-palestinian groups, just like what the nazis did. On top of all that OP is doing genocide denial.

If you truely cared about anti-semitic violence you would not equate zionism to judaism and you would not support israel. If israel stopped genociding people, people would not lash out.

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I didn't dumb fuck unless you think all Germans are nazis. Should I dumb it down to just white people for you? Is people with German background to complicated for you to comprehend?

Are you really stupid or are you equating Zionism to Judaism? I can't tell with idiots like yourselves.

Not to be nuanced on tumblr but I think it’s possible to believe that there are severe human rights abuses happening in Palestine right now and also believe that it’s wrong to try and rectify this by instilling fear in Jewish communities via violence.

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I never brought up the firebombing you did. Also, you didn't bring that up in our conversation, you're using antisemitism you faced as a gotcha against me someone who never interacted with you. Also, I misread your post sorry.

"Also, me using the firebomb example, was specifically about the boulder Colorado attack. But okay girl go off calling me the antisemite when you think that a dude attacking a group of Jews, which included both Zionist and antizionist jews just wanting the hostages brought home is "antizionism""

I never called the attack not antisemitic I never brought it up in my reply to you or any reply. What is your goal sept call me antisemitic? Its also very cringe to talk like that, this is not 4chan. Again, strawman my position about something I never talked about. Can you deal with what I'm saying or is your entire shtick to strawman me out of pointing out genocide denial?

Not to be nuanced on tumblr but I think it’s possible to believe that there are severe human rights abuses happening in Palestine right now and also believe that it’s wrong to try and rectify this by instilling fear in Jewish communities via violence.

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Jew hate makes you stupid, and you are very stupid. I hope you grow out of it when you grow up.

Uh huh I was very hateful for *checks notes* pointing out jews are not oppressed in the west and pointing out genocide denial.

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Before you try to sound smart you should learn to fucking spell, holy shit!

Okay bucko 😁

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I never called it revolution or restistance i called it lashing out. I never said it was effective. I pointed out dumb fucks like you use incidents of lashing out due to a GENOCIDE as reasons to oppress and silence anti genocide movements. Thats my problem you absolute idiot. Also again you paroted zionists' narritive because you didnt know better and zionists are using it to oppress and silence anti zionists movements like nazi germany did. You are being used.

Not to be nuanced on tumblr but I think it’s possible to believe that there are severe human rights abuses happening in Palestine right now and also believe that it’s wrong to try and rectify this by instilling fear in Jewish communities via violence.