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Reminds you of what? Homophobia?

Not liking it when a community hates on you for your sexuality reminds you of homophobia?

Saying “you’re being a jerk” reminds you of homophobia?

Last I checked, being homophobic had to do hating someone because they were gay, not hating someone because of how they’re treating you.

I don't understand why you hate ace people so much, we never did anything to you, please stop.

the ace community has done a lot of bad shit, actually. bur i dont hate all ace people or ace as an id i just hate ace inclusionism

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You’re gonna get as good as/better than you give.

If you’re gonna say “ace people yikes” damn right we’re gonna talking about ‘lgbt’ community in the same way. If you don’t like it, don’t do it to others. That’s the Golden Rule.

The mentality behind DroptheT and ace exclusionism is EXACTLY the same, and I bring it up because I find it so funny. You’d agree with things from trans exclusionism if I covered up “trans” in the message....think about that.

I don't understand why you hate ace people so much, we never did anything to you, please stop.

the ace community has done a lot of bad shit, actually. bur i dont hate all ace people or ace as an id i just hate ace inclusionism

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This is a stupid generalization to make about the ace community, and a hypocritical one.

Um. Is your community not problematic? Has it not done “a lot of bad shit”? Has there not been racism in the gay community, have there not been transphobes in the gay community, have there not been exclusionists? Unlike with the ace community, historic examples and statistics could show us all the bad shit y’all have done REAL QUICK.

I know from experiences there are WAY more bad, shitty people within your community. You’re probably an example of one, as you usually have to be extraordinary regressive, bigoted, narrow-minded and egoistic to be an exclusionist. Join your pals at DroptheT.

Aces in general are very decent people (who I think are great to hang out with), so I don’t know where your bad impression even comes from. It’s probably just because you have so much hate in your heart you project these delusions onto other groups.

Also, as an exclusionist, you have probably mentioned multiple times about how “asexuality is not a real orientation” or how “aces should never mention how they are ace/it’s not significant/nobody needs to know” or “asexuals have no problems regarding asexuality” or some form of harmful misconceptions. So you indeed, ARE a hateful cunt when it comes to ALL aces. Don’t lie.

I don't understand why you hate ace people so much, we never did anything to you, please stop.

the ace community has done a lot of bad shit, actually. bur i dont hate all ace people or ace as an id i just hate ace inclusionism

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also, that post wasn’t even for you.

I’m specifically talking to the other side of the debate.

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Discrimination or bigotry doesn’t even need history in order for it to be “real” bigotry or “real” discrimination.

Even if it’s the first time you’ve learned about a group, if you want to hurt those people based on their identity, that’s hateful and bigoted.

If you want to stereotype this group in order to say, “I hate somebody just because they’re asexual” that’s bigoted thinking in and of itself.

It’s defined by hateful and bigoted thinking towards a group, not history.

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this is hilarious because tik tok is a relatively new app to countries outside of Asia, and Discourse was going on way before that app was released.

So it obviously doesn’t prove that the autistic community was using it before asexuals. What’s your oldest source? I’ve probably got one that goes back further.

It shows that some people with autism might use the term, but it doesn’t prove they have more of a right to it than asexuals. We use it too, way more often.

And literally, asexuals are the ones who made that term up. We didn’t take it from anybody.

How come we aren’t bitter about the autistic community using the term “a-spec”, but you’re trying to restrict our use of language we created? Why do this, except to score Discourse Points and silence/punish aces?

Aspec was never an autistic term. But or course you're aphobic as fuck so you don't care. - an autistic that knows you don't do research.

I’m Autistic and Aro so XD

If you search aspec on tiktok, autistic people used the term. That’s just one example. I don’t use it myself, or autispec, but you cannot say no autistic person ever has used it.

Another example is here, where someone expresses that they are a ‘questioning a-spec’ and referring to the fact that maybe they have autism: https://www.autismforums.com/threads/questioning-a-spec.22105/

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so this “homophobia” false accusation is because of the analogy.

trying to explain a ‘foreign’ concept to somebody by relating it to experiences that they are familiar with is “classic homophobic rhetoric”?

It’s also called empathy in non-crazy society.

Most asexuals are uncomfortable with their orientation being openly mocked by exclusionists, even if you are the exception to that.

As for “qUiT cHanGinG dEfiniTionS” (never has changed once). I won’t have fucking exclusionists saying “asexuality isn’t a real sexuality, it’s a modifier”, so they can accomplish their goals of (1). be fucking rude, hurt the ace community (2). argue that a non-sexuality can’t possibly be LGBT

this is exclusionist bullshit.

I enjoy so much of your content, but your exclusionist bullshit just got to the point where I can't handle you anymore. Grow a fucking brain and a heart. Every argument you people have against inclusionism really just boils down to the fact that you just want to be just like straight white cis people and exclude people from the things that you want to yourself. You were all bullied, so you want to be the bullies now, and you are. You don't get to hang and 'no ___s allowed' sign on our community.

You really aren’t providing any points to argue, you’re literally just looking to bitch and whine like an upset child.

Boo hoo, cishet people have historically oppressed and murdered LGBT people for existing, so now we want boundaries for our community. I’m sorry you’re so entitled that you see that as bullying, but that isn’t my problem. If a POC told me I’m not a POC then I’m not going to cry and play the victim, they’re just stating a fact. You don’t get to opt out of privilege.

Being LGBT is about being trans, or about being attracted to the same gender, not about how much attraction you feel. Some cishet person who experiences more sexual attraction than normal, couldn’t suddenly call themselves hypersexual and try to join our community. Because they’re still a cishet person. So idk why you think a cishet person who experiences less attraction magically becomes LGBT.

Being LGBT is about being trans, or about WHO you’re attracted to, not HOW MUCH you’re attracted to them. Homo/bi romantic aces and trans aces are LGBT, cishet aces aren’t. It’s not a hard concept

It’s not my job to coddle you because you want to cry over the fact that I reblogged a few posts.

Get over it. I won’t miss you

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to be so entitled that empathy and homophobia look like the same thing to you...

what kind of weak ass homophobia you been experiencing, tumblrina?

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I say “exclusionists make even ‘LBGT’ asexuals uncomfortable when they are rude and say things like ‘aces are incapable of romantic love’“

And you’re dumb self says “it’s homophobic to suggest ace people can experience painful human emotions like gay people can.” And you really think you’re going to get away with that?! Ahhhh you’re stupid!

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You’re very clearly throwing “homophobe” around because you think (wrongly) it’s going to politically damage your opponent. That kind of lying is absolutely disgusting.

It’s funny that you even think there’s a remote chance that people are going to take you seriously.

fkfbdkdn that homophobe really thought they went off by saying “you need to take responsibility for your actions!!1!1!” about me “hating ace people” but then blocked me….. so which is it, take responsibility or not? damn homophobes really don’t know how to think things through….

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fren, shut the fuck up about this fake-ass “homophobe” stuff.

I thought I told you in my post that it wouldn’t get you anywhere. You really are crying wolf. To me, it’s laughably pathetic. You’re lying to any followers you have btw.

fkfbdkdn that homophobe really thought they went off by saying "you need to take responsibility for your actions!!1!1!" about me "hating ace people" but then blocked me..... so which is it, take responsibility or not? damn homophobes really don't know how to think things through....

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And "alienating LGBT people from their own communities" facing consequences for their actions because -shocker- people don't wanna be around assholes who exclude others from a community they've been a part of for years, even going to violent lengths to do so? It's like having a group of friends and one of them turns into a huge asshole so naturally you no longer want to be around them so you stop inviting them to hang out.

violence is ugly.

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"The harm inclusionism is causing" I've literally seen exclusionists do the following: harass people, suicide bait people, push people to nearly attempting suicide, "joke" about wanting to beat up or kill not only ace people but other gay people that don't act "normal" to them, "joke" about a-spec genocide going as far as making lists of a-spec tumblr and twitter users, lie about a-spec being an autistic term, talk about wanting to send gore to minors, and thats only things I myself have seen.

There are hundreds of receipts, but they ignore them.

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It seems like marginalization under heterosexism can be objectively measured, so then rather or not somebody could be considered “LGBT+” is not a matter of choosing who you do/don’t want, according to this definition.

how do you define “LGBT+”?

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If somebody chooses to exclude themselves from the “LGBT+” community (for example, there is a group of lesbians who want “out of” the “LGBT+” community), does it make them less “LGBT+”? Can somebody choose to not be “LGBT+” like that?

Relatedly, can somebody choose to exclude another group from the “LGBT+”? For example, can someone choose to exclude trans people from the “LGBT+” identity, in the sense that if they were no longer “LGBT+”, it would make them no longer marginalized under cis-heterosexism (according to your definition)?

how do you define “LGBT+”?

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I just don’t understand how you can maintain such cognitive dissonance?

When someone says this to you, they’re transphobic and an asshole. But when you say the exact same thing to someone else you’re “moral”.

what the fuck is good with you, bruv?

the fact that inclus simply ignore the pain and hurt that inclusionism is causing lgbt people in order to have the moral high ground as ‘uber inclusive and loving everyone’ is a fucking joke

so many lgbt ppl have been alienated from spaces and resources built for them, all bc of rabid inclusionism making actually being lesbian, gay, bi or trans hard, “”'regressive’“’, and by generally wanting to label us all as a violent slur

diehard ”'inclusive’’ people just value their token slur, and cishets who wanna hang on our coattails rather than do the work of building their own community, rather than actual lgbt ppl who prioritise other lgbt people

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how do you define “LGBT+”?