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well i promised i was going to put my thoughts about COH from a wisdomverse perspective in a post later so here it is, longpost incoming you've been warned

ok so being honest here:i really only began playing this game because it was echo and silent's second game especially because while i really like crypt of the necrodancer i'm really bad at it(i am still stuck at floor 2) and due to that i didnt really expect to get that far into the game and especially didnt expect this game to be such a good sequel to EOW when they were made by 2 different dev teams in 2 different companies with COH being made before EOW but just how this game surprised me with how fun it was to play, it also surprised me with how well it fit within the EOW-COH-Great decline timeline and i guess the best character to begin talking about it is well Echo herself

for starters this game does open up with echo having to break out of hyrule castle again but it also goes on to show that echo did learn to wield a sword after EOW with she having the same weapon selection as silent(excluding their exclusive weapon class that is) but while i did know that this game was going to show echo as being able to wield 2 of the godesses spells(nayru's love and din's fire) i did not expect nayru's love to be this readily available(with you getting it before you even leave the castle) wich again shows echo's magical prowess expecially when you get shield technique later wich allows you to hold Nayru's love for as long as you want alongside also getting access to din's fire wich i feel is very significant as EOW is already brimming with Religious significance both from the scene where echo swaps into her disguise behind a hylia statue but also from the fact that she is the first character in the Zelda series as a whole to talk to the golden godesses

this game also follows up on another very important thing for Echo:her mastery over the tri-force, in EOW the final battle has echo and silent take away Null's triforce of power in order to finish him off

, in COH Echo,Silent and Cadence use the triforce to kill ganon due to their lack of sacred weapons(no bow of light, silver arrows or master sword lol)

and then Echo uses the triforce to send cadence back home and presumably to go back to her era with silent

this shows to me that echo does seem to have become the guardian of the triforce in her era(wich is fitting considering how she was sanctioned by the golden godesses to handle the thing) wich does 2 things:1 free the Great Deku Tree to do other stuff(i will come back to him later DW) and 2:explain why does the prince and the magician go to her in AoL/Echo of the Past

wich leads to the beggining of the great decline and echo's 100 year nap

i dont have nearly as much stuff to talk about when it comes to Silent but i do have a few things that i'd want to point out about him

first there is silent's own personal weapon class:the longsword, each personal weapon in this game has their own gimmick with echo's rapiers allowing for lunges that deal more damage and cadence's great shovels working like a shovel, and what does silent's weapon allow him to do you may ask? simple:

it removes his option of using a shield(swapping it for the option of holding the sword in front of him) now correct me if i'm wrong(especially considering that i have been wrong before *looks at my post about cadence being the only good triforce of power wielder* how could you do this to me lana) but i'm pretty sure that this is the first(and only) time that a link's main weapon removes their hability to use a shield (especially considering how silent doesnt have any problem using a shield while using spears wich are also 2 handed) wich does forward my own headcanons about silent being one of the more aggresive links in combat(this is the guy what went to fight god with a stick, tell me he enjoys being on the defensive), it also makes silent the only character in the game able to change directions and attack without moving wich is a very usefull skill to have in this game and forwards my own headcanon about him being more agile while echo is physically stronger( because after all who would discard a shield if they werent confident on their hability to dodge?) but i already went way too far into this tangent so lets get back to another thing i want to point out about silent in this game: the Deku Tree doesnt recognize him

for those unaware CoH does have its own post apocaliptic version of the great decline's hyrule:future world wich serves as the setting to both its final dungeon and the Symphony of the Mask DLC, with SOTM allowing you to explore its overworld in the main campaign too through a portal in the lost woods i will go into more detail about it in a sec but for now i want to focus on the Great Deku Tree's dialogue with Echo and Silent, with Echo the Great Deku Tree comments on Echo's disappearance and says that he is glad that she is safe

with Silent the Great Deku Tree not only doesnt seem to recognize him but also acts like silent was from this time period(wich he isnt, remember this Deku Tree is from future world)

while it is fair to point out that Silent and the Great Deku Tree didnt meet in EOW and the Great Deku Tree doenst seem aware of the time travel shenanigans in this game i do think the fact that he doesnt recognize Silent here shows that silent doesnt survive the great decline, especially considering that COH does have Link and Zelda know each other from the get go as shown by how zelda reacts upon being waken up

by how she talks when she wakes up link

and the fact that not only the tutorial fairy refers to link and zelda as her friends but also the fact that octavo targeted link specifically with his curse too

so the fact that the deku tree doesnt refer to his ausence(unlike how it does when talking to zelda) does seem to point out that silent does die early into the great decline and speaking of the great decline:let me talk about future world

future world in this game can be acessed in 2 different locations: first in hyrule castle wich leads to the final dungeon of the game and ganon's fight and the second is in this portal that you find where you encounter cadence in the lost woods

entering this portal leads you to the deku village and i kid you not the first time i entered this portal i was so surprised by what happened to the Deku that i completely forgot about this being future world and thus early great decline hyrule

because its stuff like this this that reminds me that hyrule was in its golden age, the deku without any intervention from hyrule castle changed from endless trend chasing and organized themselves into a society with an entirely unique culture almost on their own, the dialogue from the deku princess indicates that this is a first contact between the deku village and people from outside(this is also supported by the gerudo village where one of the villagers say:

i will get to the gerudo later dw) and while the deku are encountered in EOW not only are they very much secluded from the rest of hyrule but its very possible that this is the first contact after the deku went through this reform prompted by the great deku tree

and yes i do think this is what the great deku tree did after echo took the role of triforce guardian, it wouldnt even be the first time the great deku tree moved from their spot and certainly wouldnt be the first time a tree changed locations in a nintendo game (looking at you whispy woods)

kirby references aside there is a substantial amount of evidence that it was the great deku tree that prompted the begining of the reforms, the deku that guards the entrance to the great deku tree and Skull kid(who is found at the village) refer to him as "grandpa" and even the Deku King asnswers to him

the Deku even have their own sport in the Deku shooting gallery(wich is a really fun minigame btw)

speaking of things that remind me this is great decline hyrule, i'm going to go on a very quick tangent about the Zora

while evil zora are back in COH i'm pretty sure that this is the first time that antagonistic zora have been associated with ice instead of fire and not only that but the COH Zora designs seem to pull some elements from the sea zora despite being very clearly river zora inspired wich does indicate to a unification between the Zora clans, and as someone who ships kushara x dradd

the presence of this zora prince, with kushara's colors and no sign of his parents makes me very happy

well i talked about the Deku, i Talked about the Zora and so its nothing but fair for me to talk about the gerudo(especially considering how the gorons are barely in this game lol) and by god was dohna done dirty by this game lol and i dont even mean in a "dohna doesnt get to appear in this game" sense i mean in a "she is in a really bad position to be when ganondorf is born sense"...wich is exactly what happens in this game but what caught my eye the most about the gerudo was their future world version, despite being ganon's people the gerudo dont follow ganon's command because of tradition as stated by barriara(the gerudo representative herself)

ganon has them under controll not because of their loyalty but because of his strenght and fear forcing them to run an arena in the place of his old house, the village itself is smaller than in the present and frankly? i doubt that they will survive the power vacuum created by ganon's death at the end of COH

and on the grim topic going to kakariko village in its future counterpart only reveals its graveyard, the first of many to appear in this era

the first time i came to future world and began talking with the Deku i got reminded that this was post gread decline by talking with one of the scrubs and i could feel echo's heart sinking through the screen but if i had to pick one area in the game that perfectly incapsulates the tragedy of echo's story it has to be future world's hyrule castle, the first time i came to future hyrule castle was not thorugh the main's story future world dungeon, it was through the SOTM extra instruments and i have to say:it was a really good choice to make this area completely without music and only the sound of the rain

in EOW castle town and hyrule castle are filled with life its pretty much where you begin your journey and taking it back is the main objective of the first half of the game

in COH hyrule castle has been very much taken over by octavo, echo has to break herself out of it as soon as she wakes up with impa and even when you unlock its barrier with the 4 instruments its still filled to the brim with monsters

but in the future world? its dead silent(no pun intended) even if you reach it with SoTM's instruments there are no enemies to fight, no background music playing even the room with Eli's greatshovel's puzzle(wich is where you get caladbolg in the main game) is completely empty

and the weight of the tragedy just downs on you, seeing the ruins completely abandoned despite the fact that everything around it is falling a part and filled with monsters and here you are to put an end to the man who caused all of this, you might not be able to save hyrule but you can atleast avenge it

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