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This is all true. People almost always dont listen to what sun fans have to say. They always brush it off with:"moon couldnt control how he was". Like no. Moon has stated MULTIPLE times that he doesnt wanna be this way. Instead of trying to change, he just feels guilty. Hes not doing anything by that, he should have atleast tried to do anything to become better. But no! He shares his guilt instead. He sees the issue, though doesnt try to change! Even if he became better than before, hes still horrible. Its honestly unfair how people say sun is the main focus now. Im sorry but everyone had their turns of being the one with the terrible mental health, so why are some complaning. Hell, most of the fans dont even focus on sun or have negative opinions about him because of his mistakes but dont ever consider why he did what he did. And those fans with old moon? "Poor moony!","he didnt deserve that","its not his fault","he must feel so guilty now,poor him". Like what. And those fans with sun? They nag. "Its his fault","he kinda had what was coming..","damn, he really messed up-" ect. Its alright if someone likes old moon as a character. But supporting his actions is ridicolous. We should accept characters flaws, not shrug them off just because you wanna see that character in a bright light. That wont do anything. They want him to be a good character(by a good character, i mean a decent person), they would rather not see the issue..and honestly think why some people just now realised he was abusive was because they were way too focused on the characters causing visible problems in show, mainly eclipse. I would say moon abusing sun was visible, but some need more time to realize I suppose.
You arent alone in thinking this. Thats why us, sun fans should seriously start talking about this. Ive seen some in the theory chat(in discord) talk about how moon was abusive, thats a start! And ive seen some in the comment section talk about that. Maybe its not much, but its better than nothing. All we can do is spread the fact that old moin was toxic and that sun pretty much has it the worse..I dont wanna compare the characters issues, but sun got made his life a living hell from the day he was made.
Sun deserves better
TW vent..
I'm so tired of some of fans of Sun and Moon show.. especially some of Old Moon's fans.. cause they turn blind eye on how abusive he was towards Sun with this whole "his character development was destroyed when he lost his memories"... No. He barely had any character development.. like he slightly changed and then he returned to abusing Sun the same way and it was repeating over and over again during the whole time Old Moon was in the show... He couldn't even apologize to Sun in his last message to him...
Also do you know how you sound when you say that people only care about Sun while Moon's mental health is declining... Everyone's mental health is declining in SAMS cast... I don't want to compare everyone's issues, trauma and struggles.. but Sun most definitely is mentally ill.. like he has hallucinations and every night he has nightmares and his trauma is the most one that is often times completely brushed off...
Just give me a break... You act like that one toxic spouse whose second half is very sick and all you do is that you whine how it affects you and your mental health... Like you can't be that dense, can you? I know that life with mentally ill is most definitely challenging but if you love that person you still take care of them...
It's just so awful when people (mostly some of Old Moon's fans) have an issue with others being concerned about Sun's mental health when he suffered through so much and he's still suffering.. Also many people only recently realised how abusive Old Moon was towards Sun...
I don't know what to tell to such fans.. maybe "go, touch some grass.." cause they seem so detached...
And also if something happened to New Moon it would be totally his own fault because he didn't say anything to anyone... Just use your brain and stop making fools of yourselves...
#sun and moon show#sams#sams sun#sun and moon show sun#fnaf sb#sams moon#fnaf sun#sun and moon show moon#fnaf moon
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this. Lots of ppl dont see how, but im happy for the people that do
If someone ever forgot how Old Moon was towards Sun this song may help you remember:
Puppet Boy by DEVO
Often used in meme format to show how Eclipse treated Sun..
But this song 100% fits how controlling Old Moon was towards Sun..
If you ever forgot just listen to it..
#sun and moon show#sams#sams sun#sun and moon show sun#fnaf sb#fnaf sun#sams moon#sun and moon show moon#fnaf moon#sams eclipse#puppet boy
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NEW SAMS EPISODE EEEEEE
This is about the episode
Sun vs Bloodmoon in VRCHAT
alright so! Honestly IM SO PROUD OF SUN. he managed to talk to one of his biggest fears. Even if it didn't work, he still took a step foward. Good job sunny!^^
Andd well bloodmoon was honestly right at this one sentence "you'll always be in moons shadow". Hes not wrong. Sun is never given a important role. No matter if he killed eclipse(2 times),killed bm,went to kill eclipse ect, people still focus on the other characters. The showrunners specifically focusing on moon,lunar, ect. And sun was just kinda there. Also it was hilarious how the bloodmoon twins RAN after sun blasted them- it was kinda like:"WHY DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO HAVE POWERS EXPECT US???" AMAZING✨ I'd be jealous too. Also they finally found out about july 16thh. After much time. Damn you bloodmoon- and this episode reminded me of when evil lunar said:"some people cant be saved and some dont wanna be saved". Holy shit hes right. Bm doesnt care. The only way for him to be saved is to just reprogram him. I dont think they will kill him tho
I wonder what the showrunners will do!!^^
#sams#sams sun#tsams#sun and moon show#the sun and moon show#moon sams#sams bloodmoon#fnaf bloodmoon#sun and moon show bloodmoon#sun and moon show sun#sun and moon show moon
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about the new episode
"Earth is in EXTREME DANGER?! In VRCHAT"
alright so! Honestly i expected Lunar to snap from everything going on. They hurt his sister, the one that helped with everything, kept him safe, gave him company. They hurt the one lunar cared about. We already know lunar gets angry really often, so just imagine his thought process when he was earth destroyed because of who? The bloodmoon twins that broke his arm and ripped out his eye! But oh god, he will be in much trouble with the constellations.. Seriously this is the start when more come to show up. This wont be fun for lunar. In my opinion, bloodmoon deserved to feel scared, he actually deserves much worse. He killed countless people without a reason. I get that there wasnt any kindness in bms code but he still enjoyed it. He didnt try to stop it even after kc tried to explain. Hes too stubborn to care.
Im glad lunar threatened him. Im honestly worried for lunar though..he admitted that his powers dont make him feel pain. Though, im guessing he overloaded them by anger. I hope caster finds him and helps, afterall caster and pollux see every single thing happening. Im sure caster will help. He said that he doesnt want lunar to die. Well this episode had me in excitement that there was WAYY to much of😭 my excitement level can go too high ngl- it lowered down now tho!
well, it was entertaining to see lunar snap like that, even THREATEN bloodmoon. Lunars tired of him being the victim, he doesnt wanna be the target that everyone takes control over and certainly doesnt want his family(in this situation earth) be a damn victim.
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Idk, art from like 2 months ago lol-^^
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why are people so worried about sun messing with his siblings
sun has always been the one getting messed with. Now sun is comfortable with poking fun at his siblings which im happy about. Ive seen people saying that it can be what the creator installed, I dont think so though. Suns just poking fun at his siblings which siblings do. And we shouldnt think sun is acting odd because of it. Its heavily stupid. Just let sun poke fun at others for once without assuming its something else
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I'm bored so another rantt
Moons argurment:"im not the old me" is seriously ridicolous. Sun has known moon for 9 or 10 years. During that time, moon has lied to him, overworked himself, hide things from him, never told sun where he was going when he went missing, abused sun ect. Now, do you expect someone to forget this all so easily? No. Moon has the same face, talks the same, same mannerism and more. Plus, he sometimes even does the same things old moon would have done. We know that sun has trauma from moon (If anyone wants a explanation, just ask me). Trauma wont erase itself. It'll always be there. You can't expect someone to forget it so easily. For an example lets say this,
A child has been abused by its parent, the parent looses their memories. The child will obviously not trust the adult due to trauma. The parent should understand that. Healing takes time. Moon getting upset about it might just remind sun of old moon even more. Sun can't believe it right away. It'll take time and thats fine. Trauma gets in our ways and that aint our fault. Traumas the one to blame. I get that moon just doesn't wanna be seen as his old self, though, old moon left a really big affect on sun. Instead of getting upset at sun about it, he can show him that he understands that and check on him every now and then. Maybe this wont help that much, although its progress. Better than making it worse. Trauma is healed in a slow process, not in 2 months. Moon has to stop being so stubborn.
Moon needs to LISTEN, not HEAR.
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The newest sams episode angers me so much
If yall arent aware what im talking about, its this episode
"MOON RETURNS!! in VRCHAT"
So, moon was away for a week and a half, though, he didnt tell sun. This upsetted sun because who knows what could have happend to moon. Sun didn't know where moon was, why he was away ect. We all know that without moon, sun is mentally even worse than he is. Since moon is his brother and sun cares about him. The fact that moon just walked in and IGNORED sun. I get that he was tired but really? He practically walked past him like he didnt exist. This reminds me of when moon used to overwork himself and come back out of nowhere which worried sun. Now its the same, again.yet,moon still wonders why sun thinks hes like old moon. He may not be completely like old moon, but im not going to lie, he is ALOT like him. And moon also PROMISED that he would communicate with sun better than before but nope! Lets keep on denying it and repeat history! How fun!! I wanted sun to snap quite honestly. I dont care if moon is tired or not but be fucking for real. Its only a matter of time till sun snaps. I will be happy when he does. He needs to be heard.
Moon never learns, does he?
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Lil rant
Why do so many people make suns issues seem like nothing? I see much people constantly saying: "sun just has [insert issues]". No. Sun has alot more than that. His life was made a living hell because of who? Moon. Sun had to see the murders, clean them up, feel pain with every moons move when he took control, fight for control and god knows what more. That has been going on for what? More than 9-10 years (Sun confirmed from a year long episode that hes tehnically 9 years old). Don't get me wrong, moon has trauma from it too, having to deal with a killcode, being trapped in the mindscape without his body ect. Though, people are still dismissing suns trauma from this. Sun was TERRIFIED. He kept begging moon, but it didn't help. Some people think that its alright because sun still had confidence and was happy after they seperated and that ISNT correct. This piece of trauma gave sun a big affect on him. Such as being afraid of the dark. It may not seem too bad, but just imagine what was going on in suns mind when it was dark. It doesn't matter how much of a "stupid" fear is that, it still has a reasoning on why its there. After seperation, he also got abused by moon. Moon would always threaten him when sun made a joke. Especially with the whacking stick. The whacking stick was seen as a joke and it wasnt serious in many eyes, though just imagine being in suns shoes. You're making jokes like siblings do and oh! Guess what. You get threatened and hit for it. See what im trying to say here? Moon also used to put sun down alot. That may be normal in a sibling relationship, I have to admit that. Yet, sun eventually started believing those words because of others who would do the same. And when moon was doing the same, sun started believing in that. Sun probably also started being convinced by it since everytime he tried to help, he couldnt. This obviously led to this sort of mindstate. Whenever sun was talking about his issues,moon would ignore them and replace it with his own (Episode example:sun and moon BREAK UP in VRCHAT or whatever the name was). Sun always had to take care of moon and moons issues too. sun felt like he was useless so what other better was to cope than to help others so you feel useful. This is extremely unhealthy. Sun forgot to help himself. Plus, people always push suns feelings to the side. For an example, monty said that sun would get over it and that it was just a phase. Moon was too scared to go talk to sun! And guess what. Sun went out to kill eclipse! He also gaslighted and manipulated sun into doing what HE wants. For an example, you know when sun was in that one state of mind when he went to kill eclipse? Instead of trying to help sun with feelings and stuff, HE LOCKED SUN INTO A BUNKER WHERE THE ARGURMENT HAPPEND, and put a magic box giving sun barely room to stand. Because he wanted sun to be like hes "supposed to be", the voice of reason. See whats wrong with this? He also would pressure sun into telling him things sun didn't wanna talk about. Example, july 16th. In the argurment, he started pressuring sun into telling him what happend until sun actually did. Another example, when sun killed bloodmoon, he also started pressuring sun into telling him what actually happend, though, sun didn't do so that time. This aint a way to deal with thse kind of situations. If someone doesn't wanna talk about something, we shouldn't force them. Yet people are still so confused on why sun doesn't open up! I wonder why! Do we need a damn detective for that. I see people saying that its because earth and moon are basically strangers, althought it really isnt. Sunny thinks everything is his fault. He thinks eclipse existing is his fault, even if sun wasnt the one who put a goddamn left behind code. Its moons fault. Sure, he didnt know that would happen, even so what did he think was going to happen. "Omg it'll be such a good idea if I put a left behind code that i dont even know what it is!!" Like please. Who knows what that leech- I MEAN. Eclipse said to him.
Its no big suprise sunny turned out this way
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