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idk i just really want everyone to know about the word vermiculation

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Very endeared by how Noelle shares food items with Kris... even if this particular one hasn't happened yet in game

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Togore Dreemurr, the oft forgotten middle child of the Dreemurr household. But i did not forget you Togore. I would never forget you.

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what if young berdly looked like a real life juvenile bluebird... think about it...

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I imagined Killer being so annoying to his boss that Nightmare ends up ripping off his skull and using it as a support for his books as punishment.

lmaoooo. In my opinion, I can see dust being the most annoying for nm.

but that image is soooooo funny to me like

[yes i was gonna make this a full on drawing i just lost motivation sorry my beloved anon]

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plesae tell me imnot crazy.

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funny running bit is Susie and Ralsei having a tender emotional moment only to immediately have some new and interesting kind of freak give them emotional whiplash

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THE FUCKING COUCH TURNED INTO ASGORE FROM SO MUCH TIMES HE SLEPT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

NO ONES MENTIONS IT!"!"!""!!"!"!"

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Why Sans & Papyrus' are from Deltarune, and how it's so controversial

In the Deltarune fandom, I've been noticing some recent debate on whether Sans & Papyrus are truly from Undertale's world or Deltarune's world. So, I've decided to make a Tumblr theory post to cover several aspects of this! Enjoy!

Part I of this post covers the evidence, II covers counter-evidence, and III covers the controversy of it.

Part I - Are they from DELTARUNE's world? Here's some of the evidence:

• In the Genocide battle against Sans, he begins speaking about "going back." To where? Well.... • This is also a parallel to some of his dialogue on the Pacifist run. He comments to Frisk that he understands their feeling of longing to return home.

• However, this could just mean the surface, right?

• With that one line, Sans has made it clear that neither the Undergroud nor the Surface is his true home.

He also is the only returning Undertale character with absolutely zero outfit or theme song changes between games.

• Okay, but what about Papyrus? He's a totally different guy in Deltarune! He never goes outside, and in Undertale, he claims to have never seen a human.

• Well, I do have a few counters to this.

• As many fans will know, Papyrus confirmed in the Summer 2023 newsletter that he used to live in a place with green grass, such as the place that he and Sans on in Hometown.

• Now, that confirms Sans and Papyrus are both from the same world, and likely the Deltarune world as previously established. They also may have gotten the means to travel from the third skeleton, Gaster, who is all but confirmed to be a major player in Deltarune.

• As for why Papyrus acts so differently depending on the worlds; well... I don't subscribe to amnesia theory. It leans too hard into giving Sans the better treatment, so instead, I'd say Papyrus is purposefully in denial. How so? Let's read some dialogue from the King Papyrus ending.

All of this makes it seem like Papyrus is used to denial and making himself forget things. This seems to cast a new light onto that "don't forget." note as well. However, with all that out of the way, let me move on to addressing some counter arguments.

Part II - Merchandise, Dust, and Kris

• Okay, if Papyrus is from Deltarune, why does he dust? Berdly doesn't dust when he dies, and Sans isn't shown to dust either.

This is explained via the "fallen down" mechanism, when monsters are near-dead but are not fully dusted. This happens to Undertale monsters, and presumably Berdly as well. Berdly enters a deathly coma which is a major symptom of fallen down, and when Sans dies we don't see him dust on-screen. He possibly entered the state, and the reason we don't see him in the overworld is because he either already dusted, or he teleported away and remained in a coma. Due to the fact we earned an LV I'd go with the former.

Merchandise. Toby promised there wouldn't be merch of Deltarune lightners, but there's a Papyrus and Sans plush!

• Well, I'd say these are just based on where they appear first, they're branded as Undertale anyway. It'd be like if Smash Bros. Ultimate labelled Sans as a Deltarune character. For now, and likely for forever unless some crazy specific stuff happens, these two will be more associated with Undertale.

Part II.I - The Kris Argument

Papyrus has never met a human! Thus, we either can't see him in Deltarune or he's from Undertale.

Well, this is a fair point, but assuming Papyrus Denial Theory is true, him blocking away all of his memories of the Deltarune world could explain this! But even ignoring that....The skeletons are known to be quite the secretive sillies, even ignoring Gaster.

So in general, with all the counterpoints out of the way, why is this controversial in general?

Part III: Controversy

Many people argue that Sans & Papyrus being from Deltarune would be a case of poor writing.

Several have expressed concerns about how Undertale characters already have a game, and how multiverse stories in recent memory have often messed up, and how Toby could fall into said traps. Last thing we want is Bad Time Megalovania 2 Strike Back right?

I've also seen it be called "Toby leaning into fandom tropes" as well but to be fair, Toby created said tropes with lines by Sans and Alphys implying AU's exist canonically, and he himself pushes Sans as a mascot all the time, though he isn't the main character.

But yeah, with the several decent counterpoints explained away, it somewhat confuses me how large the group of people is that still deny Sans is from Deltarune is, albeit I understand their concerns.

So, since this seems to be really divisive these days (though generally most agree with me..)

I'd like to ask;

Do you think Sans & Papyrus are from Deltarune?

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Actually it feels kinda insane to me how many people (especially on tiktok) ive seen that were convinced that kris is an evil mastermind who wants to cause the roaring and destroy the world when im looking at these Screenshots and....see a kid being manipulated???

yes kris is a messed up kid but it seems wayyy more likely to me that they are being manipulated by an adult figure that has been around since their childhood. Plus i personally believe that dess is the knight and Kris probably knows/has seen what happened to her considering its highly implied she got lost in the bunker and Kris is terrified of that place. I mean they are literally trying to stop us from going in there in the mantle game.

I really dont get how people can see kris as pure evil since they probably just want to help get their friend back and possibly feel guilty about her dissappearing in the first place.

Im also not saying carol is pure evil since she lost a daughter and probably just wants to get her back but to me it seems really obvious shes using kris' guilt to make them help the knight gang.

(Theres zero proof for asriel being part of the holiday administration too but if he is i think that would add a whole other layer of messed up)

Anyways thats my interpretation of this whole mess.

I will die on the "Kris is not evil" Hill. They are definitely not a saint but cmon this kid is like 16 max and obviously traumatized and mentally ill to some extend. (Not saying mental illness justifies bad behavior in general) Kris isnt the literal spawn of satan

(Also i feel like my grammer is really bad in this so sorry for that in case it is)

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more dreemurr tenna..... goofy ass uncle

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i know i dont post any uty anymore but i think i wanna get back on that 🙏

What do y’all think of CORE Clover? :3

since yall seem to love my blorbos

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As someone who remembers the deep lore of Toby Fox being an accomplished pianist who then struggled with his playing and composition because of physical disability in his hands preventing him from being able to play effectively and without severe pain (right around the time when he was scripting Deltarune, in fact)...

The whole narrative of Kris being unable to play while shackled to the soul and then immediately spending the 10 minutes they have free of it (after requisite plot scheming) to play a 8 minute medley of Toby Fox songs (which I'm pretty sure is just a straight up recording of Toby himself playing) feels pretty personally moving in a way that I'm surprised I haven't seen more people talking about. Like yeah, those little moments of frustration when the soul tries to play and just plonks in the keys, that hits, I bet.

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Tiny Asgore headcanon: these are wedding bands.

Okay, you see these yellow pixels on his horns? They could just be weird tuffs of hair near his horns, or just more gold jewelry near his crown.

But I would like to imagine that they are his & Toriel's wedding bands. It's possible that they wore them on their horns instead of like wedding rings.

His Deltarune sprite has them too, he is so divorced guys....

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“Calm down, Spudsy’s pickles aren’t that bad.”

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So I'm an eldest sibling, and there's this thing that happens sometimes when your younger sibling *demands* that you do something completely reasonable and for some reason that makes it a matter of pride. "Drink more water", "Get your sunscreen", "Tie your shoes", pffft. You can't tell me what to do, you're not my mom. I will not be commanded by a fetus. And then you trip and fall ass over teakettle because you should've tied your shoes. Anyway I'm projecting this onto Sans Undertale now

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this legit made me stop believing in knight papyrus